WWI Digest 2807 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) 45 Degree Camou? was (Re: Bolle's Early Fokker DVII) by "Nigel Rayner" 2) Re: WWI Purple by "Stefen Karver" 3) Re: Voss cowling? Found it by "Ron F." 4) Re: Voss cowling? by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Mixing Sibergrau by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 6) I'm Back by "Dale Beamish" 7) Re: Mixing Sibergrau by "David Calhoun" 8) Re: MisterKit Acrylic WWI Colors Available Soon In The US by "Limon3" 9) Re: Mixing Sibergrau by Zulis@aol.com 10) RE: MisterKit Acrylic WWI Colors Available Soon In The US by Shane Weier 11) Re: Gallipoli - was:RE: film alert et cetera by Todd Hayes 12) RE: Voss cowling? by "Ray Boorman" 13) RE: Mixing Sibergrau - ceramcoat by "Ray Boorman" 14) Re: film alert et cetera by Ernest Thomas 15) 2cents on 2 Pfalz kits by pugs99@att.net 16) Re:Holtzem's D.IIIa by pugs99@att.net 17) Re: Mixing Sibergrau - ceramcoat by MAnde72343@aol.com 18) Re: Mixing Sibergrau - ceramcoat by "Dale Sebring" 19) Garros's Bleriot by pugs99@att.net 20) Re: Holtzem's D.IIIa by MAnde72343@aol.com 21) RE: Mixing Sibergrau - ceramcoat by "Ray Boorman" 22) RE: Holtzem's D.IIIa by Shane Weier 23) Re: Russian Nieuport 17 by Zulis@aol.com 24) Re: Underneath the wings by KarrArt@aol.com 25) VCR alert - was Re: film alert et cetera by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 26) Send back the elves by "D Charles" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:17:42 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: 45 Degree Camou? was (Re: Bolle's Early Fokker DVII) Message-ID: <000401c04e99$791bc600$2244883e@w1o0t3> Lance wrote (in response to Cam's question) >Whoa! Except for the prototypes, all the D.VIIs had the wings covered in lozenge fabric, including those early Schwerin >products with the streaky fuselages. And all the known Fokker D.VII lozenge was applied chordwise. >Whether Bolle's was 4 or 5 color would depend on the time it was produced... I can check tonight and let you know >tomorrow. The WS DVII Datafile special shows Bolle's plane with four colour fabric and mentions he flew at least four DVII's. There are two photos of Bolle's plane, but I can't make out what is on the wings. Ray Rimell also commented on Geoff Stanley's 1/28 Revell DVII at an IMPS UK Nats in Windsock 14/1 that "Sadly, poor references led to the streaky wing finish (should really be printed fabric)..." I'm not saying he's right, but you pays your money and you takes your choice. BTW, Geoff are you out there? Geoff's Roland got an award at the recent UK Nats, so step up to the podium and receive some well deserved congratulations! Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:55:06 -0500 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: Re: WWI Purple Message-ID: <00d601c04f03$494aa9e0$e86dd6d8@stephen> Mark highlights an important distinction that needs to be made about German "Lilac." Common English usage is somewhat less than entirely clear about the names used for red-blue admixtures, but it will perhaps ve easiest to associate the WWI color with spectral violet, that is, on the blue side. Mauve-purple-burgundy, being on the red end of the spectrum, will have photogrpahed quite dark on the most commonly used film of the period--orthochromatic--and this is not borne out by the photographs themselves, which render areas painted Lilac on OAW Fokker D.VII metalwork, for instance, as quite light indeed. Probably not a very highly saturated hue. Regards, Stef ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shannon" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 9:45 AM Subject: Re: WWI Purple | The Humbrol WWI purple is a pretty color in my opinion, but I don't think it actually matches the idea of 'Lilac' that the German WWI purple is also called. The Humbrol color is a rich, reddish purple -- almost a deep blood red or dark burgundy -- rather than the more pastel shade the term lilac conjures up. | | I've always mixed my purple for WWI, I use the gloss purple in the range (I think it is #68 or some such) with a touch of 64 aircraft grey. Sometimes I add some more blue to the color, as indicated by some of the Methuen and Munsel values Rimell and Dan-San Abbot have published (e.g, in the Pfalz D.III and Pfalz D.IIIa datafiles). I have a picture of the USAFM-Dayton Fokker D.VII in 'Ltn Stark's' markings where the lilac areas are rendered as more of a magenta, which I also do not agree with. | | The Humbrol German Purple or WWI Purple is useful as a mixing color, in my opinion, but is not representative of any of the authentic colors that I can find (It makes a super base tone for red/burgundy leather and auto interiors). It appears, as far as I can tell, that it was an attempt at reconciling the early war red-brown/Venetian red color (which it might be acceptable as) with the mid-war purple/lilac without recognizing that these were separate colors. | | It also might be useful as the aubergine/plum color for Wolf's Albatrosen. (I may have this wrong, I'm at work and suddenly drawing a blank as to Wolf versus Shaeffer.) | | Anyway, this has gotten long for what is essentially my running off at the keyboard, so I'm open to suggestions. | | .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:11:08 -0800 From: "Ron F." To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Found it Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001114171108.007a8ab0@wizard.com> Hi Stef, Yes, it seems its a bad topic to bring up. BTW, how do you prove they WERE on other types of film and not ortho? it goes back and forth. :} Did i say ortho film was sensitive? i dont believe so. unless your suggesting my comments on how a picture is presented and what angle it was taken, light, etc. to get different 'shades' on a plane or other object. You also sound downgrading to me, for a lack of a better word. I resent the tone of your statements made here with. I could be taking it personally/wrong. if so, i take the above statement back. Guess im still in the middle on this one.... Ron At 07:14 PM 11/14/00 -0500, you wrote: >G'day, Ron-- >I would have thought that the very lengthy discussion at Aerodrome about >covered the known facts (and opinions) about the Voss cowl that you wouldn't >come looking for more on the List. I believe Bob Pearson is incorrect when >he says that the issue was discussed here 6 weeks go. The truth is that the >discussants were beaten back by a cadre of those who don't want to hear >anymore about "that" cowling and are not willing to use their delete key. >However, it sounds like you have gotten the message quite clearly--it's one >of this "family's" skeletons after all. Your mantra of "sorry" may stand >you in good stead as appropriately mollifying so you will not be considered >a Voss pariah. Nonetheless, I wouldn't actually try and pursue the matter. >Stef > >BTW, you--and many others--are incorrect about the sensitivity of period >ortho films. And how do you know the Voss photos weren't taken on some >other film type? Just a thought. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron F." >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 4:46 PM >Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Found it > > >| I found it, finally.... dont like the way the website is set up, cant find >| it directly from the discussion page... >| >| thanks for the, er comments! >| >| again, sorry! >| >| Ron >| > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:14:38 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Message-ID: <007c01c04ea1$c070e820$a2e679a5@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Nicklas" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:52 PM Subject: Re: Voss cowling? > > Hey! I've got an open wound! Anyone got some salt ??!! > > Nope. Got some lemon juice, rubbing alcohol, iodine, and muriatic acid though.... DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:28:04 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Mixing Sibergrau Message-ID: Excellent posts on paint for which I thank everyone. Now, as far as mixing up some "silbergrau" - is it as easy as its name implies? Just a mix of 50/50 silver and grey? ~Steve diGiacomo (Who missed the Hartford show and meeting some fine folks, and STILL hasn't gotten the leaves up to boot!) Windsor Locks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:58:59 -0700 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: I'm Back Message-ID: <002b01c04ea7$b9b00740$8832b8a1@darcy> A busy list while I was gone. A TON of messages to go through! Anyone that has tried to get through to me ... I haven't been ignoring you. I'll sift through the messages this evening. I'll be back to you ASAP!. . Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:29:24 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Mixing Sibergrau Message-ID: <00df01c04ec5$05befb60$490b3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Steve, Sorry you missed the show. A great time was had by all. And I put off doing the leaves until this weekend, hopefully it will stop raining & dry by then. For Pfalz silbergrau - I have just mixed up a batch following the instructions on the last page of the Sopwith Hobbies catalog: 50% Humbrol silver fox and 50% white. The silver fox is more like Testors aluminum than chrome silver. Also per the Datafile, the Pfalz silbergrau had a dull finish, so should be dullcoated rather than gloss/semigloss as on the French Nieuport aluminum finishes. Dave Calhoun ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 5:33 PM Subject: Mixing Sibergrau > Excellent posts on paint for which I thank everyone. > Now, as far as mixing up some "silbergrau" - is it as easy as its name > implies? Just a mix of 50/50 silver and grey? > ~Steve diGiacomo (Who missed the Hartford show and meeting some fine folks, > and STILL hasn't gotten the leaves up to boot!) > Windsor Locks > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:59:06 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: MisterKit Acrylic WWI Colors Available Soon In The US Message-ID: <006601c04eb0$0563a180$75f7303f@f4w2s5> Bob, I got the same reply, should be a good source for all of us. Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Laskodi To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, November 13, 2000 10:39 PM Subject: MisterKit Acrylic WWI Colors Available Soon In The US >Received the following reply from Pacific Coast Models located in Calif. >Hopefully good news! URL is: >http://www.pacmodels.com/ > >Dear Mr. Laskodi, > > Thanks for your message. You wrote: <MisterKit acrylic paints, particularily the WWI colors?>> > > Yes, we will be stocking all of their colors. > > <> > > We are placing our order this week and we hope for delivery in >mid-December. Attached is a list which you can use as an order form or >e-mail us back with the items you want. Thanks and > >Best Regards, > >Ken Lawrence, >Pacific Coast Models, Inc. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:54:16 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mixing Sibergrau Message-ID: <23.3862ece.274354d8@aol.com> In a message dated 00-11-14 20:30:35 EST, you write: << Now, as far as mixing up some "silbergrau" - is it as easy as its name implies? Just a mix of 50/50 silver and grey? >> I tried that and it came out too grey - I was using something from Model Master called "Aluminum Non-Buffing Metallizer". It sounded promising, and I hoped it would add a bit of a metallic hint to a light gray I was using. Unfortunately, this stuff made the grey even darker, so I tried again and just added it to white. This gave a light grey colour that still seemed too much grau, not enough silber, but it was acceptable. I am sure others have even better "recipes". Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:55:44 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: MisterKit Acrylic WWI Colors Available Soon In The US Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C74@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Gabe, > I got the same reply, should be a good source for all of us. All? ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:13:20 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gallipoli - was:RE: film alert et cetera Message-ID: <20001115031320.66502.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Volker, Gallipoli is the name of the movie. It's been a long time since I've seen it, but I can tell you that Mel Gibson plays one of the two main characters. Todd --- Volker_Häusler wrote: > I know this is slowly becoming ot: I remember seeing > part of a movie that I > found interesting; story about 2 Australians (one of > them a successful > athlet/runner) that joined the Army in WW I and are > ultimately killed in the > Gallipoli desaster. Is that this movie? If yes, can > anybody give me some > details on it? Would be very interested in learning > something about it, > especially because over here in Malaysia you can get > these cheap "original" > VCD´s everywhere (they claim they are on sale here > before they start > shooting them in Hollywood). > > Volker > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > DAVID BURKE > Sent: Dienstag, 14. November 2000 13:40 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: film alert et cetera > > > Gallipoli would be my number 3. > > > DB > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:16:40 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Voss cowling? Message-ID: Aghhhhh, 109 Spitfire 109 Spitfire 109 sheesh. Ok if we have to open this can of worms why not seriously add the question of; what colour was the cowling of the other F1 aircraft that Wulf died flying. Was it painted red or olive?? Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Brian Nicklas Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 12:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Hey! I've got an open wound! Anyone got some salt ??!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:41:11 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Mixing Sibergrau - ceramcoat Message-ID: Since I was trying to mix this last night with a ceramcoat version of silbergrau. I would be interested in what other users of Ceramcoat/Liquitex use. I used 5% paynes grey 30% white and 65% or more of silver. Looks ok until I thin it down then it looks way to white. Any good recipes or is this just something Ceramcoat won't work for. I'm planning on a few sprayings to see what happens with the current recipe. Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Zulis@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Mixing Sibergrau In a message dated 00-11-14 20:30:35 EST, you write: << Now, as far as mixing up some "silbergrau" - is it as easy as its name implies? Just a mix of 50/50 silver and grey? >> I tried that and it came out too grey - I was using something from Model Master called "Aluminum Non-Buffing Metallizer". It sounded promising, and I hoped it would add a bit of a metallic hint to a light gray I was using. Unfortunately, this stuff made the grey even darker, so I tried again and just added it to white. This gave a light grey colour that still seemed too much grau, not enough silber, but it was acceptable. I am sure others have even better "recipes". Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:59:20 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: film alert et cetera Message-ID: <3A120A17.52478E02@bellsouth.net> David Fleming wrote: > Never ssen the film, but heard the song based on it (Metallica's 'One'), > which is pretty powerfuk in it's own right. Ah! you, and everyone else here, should rent the movie, or better yet, read the book(by Dalton Trumbo) because it's very OT, and as powerful an anti-war statement as you can get. Not as good, or as entertaining a movie as AQotWF, or das Boot, but for 'powerful' statements, JGHG is an 'Eleven'. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:59:03 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 2cents on 2 Pfalz kits Message-ID: <20001115035903.CLLA14078.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi All, Just received my Roden Pfalz D.III & D.IIIa kits today from NKR models. I want to agree with what has been mentioned before. If these are the next level for Roden, they are certainly headed in the right direction! Each kit include the parts necessary to do the other version. This includes a separate set of lower wings, separate elevator, nose top and engine parts. Molding is nice with very little flash. Cockpit has a floor, seat and control stick and panel. Struts are acceptably thin. Trailing edges appear to need a little thinning. Ribs are very subtle and slightly recessed on the lower surfaces! Even though they are in the LUNATIC scale, they should build into little gems :o) By the way, for those of us here in the States, at $5.45 a pop, they are a steal when ordered from NKR in Australia. And, as if that wasn't enough, I placed my order on 11/7 and it is here today, 11/14!(no interest in NKR, just a plug from a satisfied customer). If you haven't tried a 1/72 scale kit yet and want something to cut your teeth on, this would be a good first kit. 3 versions with the D.IIIa(Berthold, Degelow and a Jasta 31 machine) and 3 versions with the D.III(Heldman, Thuy & Lenz). Couldn't remember if this info was in the previous post. Sorry if I am repeating. Looking at these 2 kits makes one drool over the "coming soon" list in the D.IIIa instruction sheet! 4 Gothas!! Life is good! Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:05:47 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re:Holtzem's D.IIIa Message-ID: <20001115040548.EGVB19903.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I have been following this with interest as I am planning on doing my 1/48(TRUE) scale Pfalz in this scheme. Is there a consensus that the upper surfaces of the wings were inded lozenge camo? It would seem that this would make sense, given the period. Also, the photos do seem to show what could be a "star" on the upper wing. I was under the impression, however, that lozenge was not widely used on the D.III's. This may simply be an impression left by years of viewing incorrect color schemes, however! Any further thoughts would be appreciated. I am leaning toward upper surfaces loz, lower surfaces silbergrau, black stripes, black and white "comet" on fuse and "star" on port upper wing... Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:08:08 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mixing Sibergrau - ceramcoat Message-ID: <4e.d706898.27436628@aol.com> --part1_4e.d706898.27436628_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know about ceramacoat, but for Polly Scale I used 65% flat aluminum, 35% 'CSX gray' you can check out the result on my Pfalz at the website. Merrill --part1_4e.d706898.27436628_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I don't know about ceramacoat, but for Polly Scale I used 65% flat aluminum,
35% 'CSX gray' you can check out the result on my Pfalz at the website.
Merrill

--part1_4e.d706898.27436628_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:08:53 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Mixing Sibergrau - ceramcoat Message-ID: <001301c04eb9$c52311a0$b0b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Boorman" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:47 PM Subject: RE: Mixing Sibergrau - ceramcoat Ray, I have been trying to come up with a silbergrau in Ceramcoat as well & my results are the same as yours...too white! Next time I'm at the paint store I'll look for a silver that is more alum than pure silver. Metalic silver is the color I have now...what did you use? Regards, Dale > Since I was trying to mix this last night with a ceramcoat version of > silbergrau. I would be interested in what other users of Ceramcoat/Liquitex > use. I used 5% paynes grey 30% white and 65% or more of silver. Looks ok > until I thin it down then it looks way to white. Any good recipes or is this > just something Ceramcoat won't work for. I'm planning on a few sprayings to > see what happens with the current recipe. > > Ray > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Zulis@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Mixing Sibergrau > > > In a message dated 00-11-14 20:30:35 EST, you write: > > << Now, as far as mixing up some "silbergrau" - is it as easy as its name > implies? Just a mix of 50/50 silver and grey? >> > > I tried that and it came out too grey - I was using something from Model > Master called "Aluminum Non-Buffing Metallizer". It sounded promising, > and I hoped it would add a bit of a metallic hint to a light gray I was > using. Unfortunately, this stuff made the grey even darker, so I tried > again and just added it to white. This gave a light grey colour that > still > seemed too much grau, not enough silber, but it was acceptable. I am sure > others have even better "recipes". > > Dave Z > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:12:36 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Garros's Bleriot Message-ID: <20001115041237.MJMH18967.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi All, Searched the site and can't find any info on Garros'Bleriot. Anyone have or know where I can find some info on this plane? I have recently purchased an eastern Express Bleriot and would like to model Garros' bird. TIA. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:12:35 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Holtzem's D.IIIa Message-ID: <40.36be12e.27436733@aol.com> --part1_40.36be12e.27436733_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, I don't think the Holtzem wings were lozenge, it was an "early" DIIIa, and that makes the loz less likely, the pictures are open to interpretation, so go with your gut. Merrill --part1_40.36be12e.27436733_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
John, I don't think the Holtzem wings were lozenge, it was an "early" DIIIa,
and that makes the loz less likely, the pictures are open to interpretation,
so go with your gut.
Merrill

--part1_40.36be12e.27436733_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:19:05 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Mixing Sibergrau - ceramcoat Message-ID: I was using shimmering silver, its a bit too translucent I think though. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Dale Sebring Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Mixing Sibergrau - ceramcoat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Boorman" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:47 PM Subject: RE: Mixing Sibergrau - ceramcoat Ray, I have been trying to come up with a silbergrau in Ceramcoat as well & my results are the same as yours...too white! Next time I'm at the paint store I'll look for a silver that is more alum than pure silver. Metalic silver is the color I have now...what did you use? Regards, Dale > Since I was trying to mix this last night with a ceramcoat version of > silbergrau. I would be interested in what other users of Ceramcoat/Liquitex > use. I used 5% paynes grey 30% white and 65% or more of silver. Looks ok > until I thin it down then it looks way to white. Any good recipes or is this > just something Ceramcoat won't work for. I'm planning on a few sprayings to > see what happens with the current recipe. > > Ray > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Zulis@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Mixing Sibergrau > > > In a message dated 00-11-14 20:30:35 EST, you write: > > << Now, as far as mixing up some "silbergrau" - is it as easy as its name > implies? Just a mix of 50/50 silver and grey? >> > > I tried that and it came out too grey - I was using something from Model > Master called "Aluminum Non-Buffing Metallizer". It sounded promising, > and I hoped it would add a bit of a metallic hint to a light gray I was > using. Unfortunately, this stuff made the grey even darker, so I tried > again and just added it to white. This gave a light grey colour that > still > seemed too much grau, not enough silber, but it was acceptable. I am sure > others have even better "recipes". > > Dave Z > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:25:46 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Holtzem's D.IIIa Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C77@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Merrill says: > > John, I don't think the Holtzem wings were lozenge, it was an > "early" DIIIa, > and that makes the loz less likely, the pictures are open to > interpretation, so go with your gut. Absolutely. I personally (and without seriously studying it) suggest that the aircraft has silbergrau upper wings and loz lower wings, possibly replacements. If the machine is an "early" D.IIIa the lower wings may be the pointed type seen on virtually every D.III, but if the lower wings are loz replacements I'd imagine rounded tips more likely. Unfortunately neither photo I have shows the tips! Shane n ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:26:22 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Russian Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <23.3860474.2743787e@aol.com> Steve Perry sums it up perfectly: << It was a very wild and disorganized time. >> I believe it is probably a fiction to think of national markings on planes in the eastern theatre during the RCW in same way as we think of markings in other theatres. Planes were captured, lost, recaptured and so on and often wore a bizarre succession of markings. Spare parts were few, flights of multiple aircraft on a patrol were much less common than in the west. Planes which were flown frequently usually didnt last long, and those that lasted long were probably spending most of their time on the ground. The Reds were the most devoted to painting their planes, usually in variations on the star theme. I think this is mostly because of the political/ideological nature of their movement and the enthusiasm usually associated with revolution. Their various opponents, often existing as a fighting force for only short periods of time before re-forming into something else yet again, generally ad-libbed with the markings they were using, mostly only being concerned with not being confused with the Reds. If the plane still had IRAS markings, they would serve quite adequately. If the plane had to be re-painted because it had been captured from the Reds or acquired in some other way - well, you could get almost anything, including blue triangles on white fields! Much of the war in this part of the continent was fought in the most primitive ways - man and a rifle... that sort of thing. Aerial warfare requires a lot more structure, support/infrastructure and simply didnt thrive in that environment. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:59:16 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Underneath the wings Message-ID: In a message dated 11/13/00 11:02:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << I handled so much the "Taube Dove of War" book that I unglued many pages of it as well, >> my copy groans and creaks and has the beginnings of this same malady- but nothing like my NASM Stropp book...er...collection of loose leaves. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:05:58 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: VCR alert - was Re: film alert et cetera Message-ID: <81.2df78e4.274381c6@aol.com> For any of you who missed the NOVA show on PBS about the discovery of the U-boat where it wasn't supposed to be that was on tonight, it will be repeated Saturday and is well worth catching the show. Very interesting stuff!! Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:21:49 +1000 From: "D Charles" To: Subject: Send back the elves Message-ID: <000601c04ee8$40dedb20$242ad7d2@charls> > >(BTW, David Charles has your elves. This is the only possible explanation >for his DH-5. Lazy little blighters left the engine access panel unlaced but >it still looks good. Unfortunately, he dropped it, so they'll be needed to >do repairs if you can spare them) Yes please. I'll give them a gum tree to sleep under and as much VEGEMITE as they can eat. David ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2807 **********************