WWI Digest 2806 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Osprey covers by "Gaston Graf" 2) ot: the lost data by "Gaston Graf" 3) Voss cowling? by "Ron F." 4) Re: Voss cowling? by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 5) Re: Voss cowling? by "Matt Bittner" 6) Re: Voss cowling? by "Brian Nicklas" 7) Caproni Ca.3 Datafile by JVT7532@aol.com 8) Re: Voss cowling? by "Ron F." 9) RE: Voss cowling? by "Gaston Graf" 10) Re: Voss cowling? by "Lance Krieg" 11) Re: Voss cowling? by "Bob Pearson" 12) Re: Voss cowling? by "Candice Uhlir" 13) Re: Underneath the wings by smperry@mindspring.com 14) Ooops... by "Candice Uhlir" 15) Re: Voss cowling? by "Ron F." 16) Re: Voss cowling? by Sharon Henderson 17) RE: Gallipoli - was:RE: film alert et cetera by Shane Weier 18) Re: Voss cowling? Found it by "Ron F." 19) Re: Site photos, was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918) by "Francisca e Pedro Soares" 20) LFW Tractors was: Re: Site photos, was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918) by smperry@mindspring.com 21) RE: WWI Vet Article by Shane Weier 22) Re: Voss cowling? by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 23) WWI Colors and RLM colors by "Lance Krieg" 24) RE: LFW Tractors was: Re: Site photos,was Re: Bavarian jasta paint by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 25) Re: [RE: Friedrich] by Zulis@aol.com 26) Re: WWI Colors and RLM colors by Lee Mensinger 27) Re: New 1/48 figures by MAnde72343@aol.com 28) Re: LFW Tractors was: Re: Site photos, was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918) by "Francisca e Pedro Soares" 29) Re: Voss cowling? Found it by "Stefen Karver" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:57:49 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Osprey covers Message-ID: Friends, speaking about Billy Bishop I wonder if you know about this link: http://www.billybishop.net/ . I know the webmaster Al Lowe from the Ukans List. He will certainly do his best to answer all of your questions regarding Billy Bishop in case you have some. sincerely Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > mdf > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:30 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Osprey covers > > > DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > > Actually, alot of people have problems with Billy Bishop. > According to the > > book, 'Victoria Cross' by Alex Revell, not a SINGLE ONE of > Bishop's claims > > can be sustained by the German loss records! Bizarre, but > true. I really > > hope that this doesn't subsequently start another diatribe > about overclaims > > in the RFC.... > > If that were true then it says more about German records (or his > research) than it does about Bishop. > The only victories that cannot be reliably confirmed occurred in the > middle of his career when his CO wasn't demanding adaquate confirmation > of his victories, and this period only covers 17 of his victories. > Neither his early kills nor those later in the war pose the same > problems. The early victories were well documented (to the standards of > the time), and the later ones Bishop ensured there was sufficient proof > to back the claims as questions were being raised about his claims, and > as CO he was required to maintain a higher standard of accounting for > those kills claimed by himself than the kills he was allowing for those > under him. > > MIke Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:03:46 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: ot: the lost data Message-ID: Dear friends, some times ago I asked the private pilots among you to help me with info regarding the offcial FAA questions for the exmaniation test. Some of you kindly responded to me offlist but unfortunately last week an electronic failure followed by a headcrash of my hd where my email and address book was stored killed the hd and all data is now lost. One of you - I think it was Candice Uhlir but I am not sure with it that's why I am addressing my message to the whole list - kindly send me a little Java programmed navigation trainer. Could you please resend this to me offlist Candice (or whoever send it initially)? Happy landings! Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:32:27 -0800 From: "Ron F." To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Voss cowling? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001114123227.007ab100@wizard.com> All, I had asked Greg van Wyngarden a month or more ago via email his thoughts on Voss's cowling color. Olive or Yellow. He said he was going to give me some info, but i guess he's gotten too busy. He also said he would post it on the WW1 modeling list. since i just managed to get on, i was wondering if he wrote anything here on the list? IF he hasnt, thats fine. Then ill wait for the Osprey book on the Dr1. I know its been said, re said, mulled over, etc. but i would like to know if the jury is still out on this? My opinion is: it can go either way, due to the pictures and film used, chrome yellow looks very dark, so i can go either way on it. Sorry, but im just trying to get a consensus of the 'experts' in WW1 avaition on it... Ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:15:49 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Message-ID: Check the digests. . .I'll say no more. . . MVJ - Resisting temptation to open THAT can 'o worms agin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:37:38 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Message-ID: <200011142039.MAA16304@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Argh! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:51:26 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Message-ID: Hey! I've got an open wound! Anyone got some salt ??!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:48:49 EST From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Caproni Ca.3 Datafile Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/2000 2:31:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: << Anyone have any good info on the Caproni? One of the latest Datafile's is on the type. >> Thanks Matt, I sure will have to get this one, great looking kit, thanks to everyone who suggested I buy it. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:07:21 -0800 From: "Ron F." To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001114130721.007a9250@wizard.com> Which digests? more specific please. Yea, i know... not looking for a flame war. Just wondering if Greg posted anything on it here... Ron At 03:42 PM 11/14/00 -0500, you wrote: >Check the digests. . .I'll say no more. . . >MVJ - Resisting temptation to open THAT can 'o worms agin. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:14:50 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Voss cowling? Message-ID: It was OLIVE - since I have joined this list it was OLIVE. And I swear it was OLIVE already as the known pics of the Voss tripe was made... tataaaaaaaaaaaa.... Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Ron F. > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 9:38 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Voss cowling? > > > All, > I had asked Greg van Wyngarden a month or more ago via email his thoughts > on Voss's cowling color. Olive or Yellow. > > He said he was going to give me some info, but i guess he's gotten too > busy. He also said he would post it on the WW1 modeling list. since i just > managed to get on, i was wondering if he wrote anything here on the list? > IF he hasnt, thats fine. > > Then ill wait for the Osprey book on the Dr1. > > I know its been said, re said, mulled over, etc. but i would like to know > if the jury is still out on this? > > My opinion is: it can go either way, due to the pictures and film used, > chrome yellow looks very dark, so i can go either way on it. > > Sorry, but im just trying to get a consensus of the 'experts' in WW1 > avaition on it... > > > Ron > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:15:17 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Message-ID: Ron - We have beaten this question so thoroughly to death that most of us automatically delete anything with a "v" in the subject line. Do a search on the modeling mailing list archives at the Site, and see if you can find a compelling argument one way or the other. Greg has never posted a theory, though everyone else has, including Rudolph Hess. For the record, this is the ONLY time I've posted on this subject. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:17:49 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Message-ID: <200011142133.NAA13846@mail.rapidnet.net> Greg doesn't post here .. some of us have dealings with him however. The Voss cowl was most recently discussed about 1 1/2 months back. The concensus is those who believe it is yellow will never change their minds, nor will those who vote for OD. .. Bob ---------- >From: "Ron F." >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Voss cowling? >Date: Tue, Nov 14, 2000, 1:11 pm > > Which digests? more specific please. > > > Yea, i know... not looking for a flame war. > > Just wondering if Greg posted anything on it here... > > Ron > > At 03:42 PM 11/14/00 -0500, you wrote: >>Check the digests. . .I'll say no more. . . >>MVJ - Resisting temptation to open THAT can 'o worms agin. >> >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:19:15 GMT From: "Candice Uhlir" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Message-ID: Hi Ron, I'm still laughing from reading the responses to your post from my list collegues. I haven't seeen anything from Greg lately, but our list digests do have "very involved" discussions on this very topic. I also posted a "Voss Cowling" informational post and .....whoops....I didn't understand the postings I got in response,,,, So....no harm meant...once you have been around for a bit you'll laugh also. Candice PS....I am voting for the "pink" cowling....I like it with matching pink tires. >From: "Ron F." >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Voss cowling? >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:37:15 -0500 (EST) > >All, >I had asked Greg van Wyngarden a month or more ago via email his thoughts >on Voss's cowling color. Olive or Yellow. > >He said he was going to give me some info, but i guess he's gotten too >busy. He also said he would post it on the WW1 modeling list. since i just >managed to get on, i was wondering if he wrote anything here on the list? >IF he hasnt, thats fine. > >Then ill wait for the Osprey book on the Dr1. > >I know its been said, re said, mulled over, etc. but i would like to know >if the jury is still out on this? > >My opinion is: it can go either way, due to the pictures and film used, >chrome yellow looks very dark, so i can go either way on it. > >Sorry, but im just trying to get a consensus of the 'experts' in WW1 >avaition on it... > > >Ron > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:27:37 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Underneath the wings Message-ID: <000b01c04e81$b69c05c0$ddf0aec7@default> > Just to know... Did the MS still exists??? (I remember it with affection > from Pensacola) > regards > D. Just the fuselage Diego. Maybe it will re-incarnate one day sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:28:21 GMT From: "Candice Uhlir" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ooops... Message-ID: Sorry Guys, I posted a personal response to gaston by mistake to our list. Candice PS... I must of been the shock of the Voss cowling ghost of Christmas past. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:37:39 -0800 From: "Ron F." To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001114133739.007a8300@wizard.com> As i said before, sorry if its been ground into the dirt. where on the C&C site do i find the archives? i dont see anything that will take me to it? it says they are archived, but i couldnt find the link to it..... Actually, i think Greg was going to give to someone on the list to post as well as to me for my discussion about a month and 1/2 ago... Again, my apologies to the readers here... Ron At 04:20 PM 11/14/00 -0500, you wrote: >Ron - > >We have beaten this question so thoroughly to death that most of us automatically delete anything with a "v" in the subject line. > >Do a search on the modeling mailing list archives at the Site, and see if you can find a compelling argument one way or the other. Greg has never posted a theory, though everyone else has, including Rudolph Hess. > >For the record, this is the ONLY time I've posted on this subject. > >Lance > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:39:48 -0500 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Message-ID: Actually, the only Fokker Tripe cowl that REALLY matters, is the one on 102/17 -- MvR and Wolff's tripe. :-) All this Vuss about Voss.... Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:40:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Gallipoli - was:RE: film alert et cetera Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C6D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Volker asks: > I know this is slowly becoming ot: I remember seeing part of > a movie that I > found interesting; story about 2 Australians (one of them a successful > athlet/runner) that joined the Army in WW I and are > ultimately killed in the > Gallipoli desaster. Is that this movie? If yes, can anybody > give me some details on it? Yes, that's the one. Directed by Peter Weir. The incident in which the central character dies is based on the factual events of the attack at "The Nek" on 7 August 1915. The Nek was a ridge 30 yards wide, with Australian and Turkish trenches as close as 20 yards. The intervening ground was covered in crossfire by at least 5 MG's. The assault was made by the 8th and 10th Light Horse Regiments after a preliminary bombardment which mysteriously stopped 7 minutes early. The first and second lines were members of the 8th - none got further than 10 yards from their trench. A brief pause and the two lines of members of the 10th LH went over. "one light horseman was last seen running forward like a schoolboy in a foot race, with all the speed he could compass" His name was Pte Wilfred Harper, of Guildford in Western Australia "You can imagine what it was like. Really too aweful to write about. All your pals that had been with you for months and months blown and shot out of all recognition. There was no chance of whatsoever of us gaining our point, but the roll call after was the saddest, just fancy only 47 answered their names out of close on 550 men. When I heard what the result was I simpily cried like a child. " 2/Lt C. C. D. St Pinnock (one of the few who survived) Meanwhile at Quinns post nearby, 54 Queenslanders of the 2ALH Regt went over the top - 53 died. I'd imagine that's about all anyone would need to know. Senseless, heroic, but slaughter. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:42:16 -0800 From: "Ron F." To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Found it Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001114134216.007a6390@wizard.com> I found it, finally.... dont like the way the website is set up, cant find it directly from the discussion page... thanks for the, er comments! again, sorry! Ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:37:13 -0000 From: "Francisca e Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Site photos, was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918) Message-ID: <006501c04e86$810ef840$45df41c2@pc1> Matt, As far as I think I remember, the LFW was indeed made in the US and this one has a Thomas Morse engine (engine power is expressed in Kw in the museum's id plaque: 110, 4 kw). Lupos or Ivan (or also Michal though I think he is is currently unsubbed) should be able to help a bit more. Particularly Lupos who had some info on this a/c on his site sometime ago. BTW, All once also posted a set of SPAD pictures I took at le Bourget, but there was no link to them in the gallery section IIRC. Can you fix it? Um abraço Pedro (still in modeling limbo) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:15:40 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: LFW Tractors was: Re: Site photos, was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918) Message-ID: <005d01c04e88$6f082f20$ddf0aec7@default> I'm still waiting to > hear about the LFW V Tractor, though... Matt: A shipment of LFW tractors was sent to Vladivostok from America late 1919 or early 1920. They were intended to equip the Czech Leigon fighting it's way to the east. They were not suitable combat aircraft and were not used as such long. IIRC some were traded off to other groups fighting the Bolshevick for use as trainers. At least one made it's way back to Czechslovokia (sp?) and is still extant in a mureum there. I have some text on the subject, so if you need more specific info LMK and I'll get it out and look it up sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:16:10 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: WWI Vet Article Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C71@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP wrote: > David: > The journalistic attitude you so correctly point out is something I've > learned to tune out. The inaccuracy of it turly grates, I can > onlly imagine > how it strikes the French, Canadians, British and Austrailians who all > sacrificed so much more. I'm a little late to respond to this because I intended to check some figures first and then forgot to respond altogether. However... SP is correct that the attitude mentioned grates BUT those of us who know the reality also recognise that these things have a tendency to even out over time. The US played a minor part in WW1 *militarily* but was crucial economically, and crucial to the outcome in that the sheer overwhelming numbers arriving in France at the end of the war made its continuation hopeless, and thankfully so. Reserves can be even more important than committed troops. Over the next 70+ years a great number of those reserves for democracy have in turn done more than *their* share of the fighting. Neither should any US soldier or citizen feel any less proud of them because less were killed - I'm utterly certain after reading dozens of aging diaries and letters that the Aussies at least would have said "F**king good luck to them, being out of this" So what grates isn't any feeling that the Yanks did less than they should, or than we did, but that our soldiers don't get the acknowledgment of *their* deeds. On 11 Nov 1999 I posted the following: >Stats from the Great War > >Australias population 4.8 million >Enlistment 416,809 (10% of the population) >Casualties 213,061 50% of force, 5% of national > population, 10% of ALL males >There are 41 left. On 11 Nov 2000 there were 26 survivors, aged between 98 and 109. The British Official History credits the AIF with the following: They were 9.5% of the Allied forces in France/Belgium Occupied 21.5% of captured territory Took 23% of German PoW Took 23.5% of captured arms and ammunition More than their fair share. We owe them a lot. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:31:37 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/00 3:35:05 PM EST, ronbo@wizard.com writes: << Sorry, but im just trying to get a consensus of the 'experts' in WW1 avaition on it... >> The consensus is that there is no consensus and there is no proof one way or the other to provide the basis for a consensus. Voss' mechanic, Herr Timm, described the airplane in a 1961 interview as being "earth grey over blue," with no mention of yellow. Interestingly, if a model of the airplane is painted with WW2 RLM65 Hellblau - a color now believed to have come out of WW1 originally - and is then painted in a streaky pattern with RLM71 Dunkelgrun - another color now believed to come from WW1 - the result is an airplane that looks like it is "earth grey over blue," if the color earth grey is assumed to be something similar to the Russian V-VS color of that name. The airplane looks considerably different from a Dr.I, even though the similar olive green color would have been used on the later aicraft, due to the fact that on the Dr.I it would be over a lower color of clear doped linen. I have built a Fokker F.1 using the colors described above, and it comes out like Herr Timm described the original. Absent a time machine to go back and shoot the airplane with color film, I suspect Herr Timm's 43-year old memories are as close as anyone will ever get. And I don't blame the yellow cowl crowd - it does look better that way. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:46:54 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: WWI Colors and RLM colors Message-ID: Tom, you assert that there is some connection between RLM 65 and 71 and the shades used in WWI. I've heard that theory in only one spot... on this list. It could well be true, of course, and makes a certain amount of sense, although I can find no evidence that the Germans had anything like the RLM system in place. Is there a provenance for this assertion? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:43:59 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: LFW Tractors was: Re: Site photos,was Re: Bavarian jasta paint Message-ID: Matt The best article I know about the LFW was in the Czech publikation L&K (Letectvi&Cosmonautica). Lots of photos and a complete description of the Czech planes. Some color profiles as well. However, it´s obviously written in Czech (that´s where 3 years in the Czech republic pay off). If you´re interested, I can send you some scans Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of smperry@mindspring.com Sent: Mittwoch, 15. November 2000 05:17 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: LFW Tractors was: Re: Site photos,was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918) I'm still waiting to > hear about the LFW V Tractor, though... Matt: A shipment of LFW tractors was sent to Vladivostok from America late 1919 or early 1920. They were intended to equip the Czech Leigon fighting it's way to the east. They were not suitable combat aircraft and were not used as such long. IIRC some were traded off to other groups fighting the Bolshevick for use as trainers. At least one made it's way back to Czechslovokia (sp?) and is still extant in a mureum there. I have some text on the subject, so if you need more specific info LMK and I'll get it out and look it up sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:20:51 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: [RE: Friedrich] Message-ID: <93.2f01e05.274322d3@aol.com> << I´m a member of about 70 mailing groups, and the owner of 3 >> Absolutely incredible. And a law student, too. I am deeply afraid that our new friend from somewhere in Germany might simply explode.... In the meantime, welcome Friedrich! Dave Z Toronto, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:46:08 -0600 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, lemen@x25.net Subject: Re: WWI Colors and RLM colors Message-ID: <3A11CEC0.BC97BF93@x25.net> Do not need to have an RLM in place. All that was needed is paint and a company to manufacture stuff that looked, worked and lasted the same over a long time period. Government standards are OK but in the beginning it will always be an available manufacturer first. The RLM Standard is used as a relative comparison point no matter when it came into being. We do have it now so it can be referenced just the same as the F. S. 595 we use in this country. It gives commonality to the eyes for comparison purposes. That is one way to tell the difference between ants and elephants. Just look at them. Lee M. Lee M. Lance Krieg wrote: > Tom, you assert that there is some connection between RLM 65 and 71 and the shades used in WWI. > > I've heard that theory in only one spot... on this list. > > It could well be true, of course, and makes a certain amount of sense, although I can find no evidence that the Germans had anything like the RLM system in place. > > Is there a provenance for this assertion? > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:38:09 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New 1/48 figures Message-ID: --part1_ab.2eb42dd.274326e1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's been released, I saw it back in October, Red Lancers had it, (and it looked good, one figure in 'fatigues' and one in dress uniform) although I gave John Roll a H&G wrapper card to see if he could order them. Merrill --part1_ab.2eb42dd.274326e1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
It's been released, I saw it back in October, Red Lancers had it, (and it
looked good, one figure in 'fatigues' and one in dress uniform) although I
gave John Roll a H&G wrapper card to see if he could order them.
Merrill

--part1_ab.2eb42dd.274326e1_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:46:37 -0000 From: "Francisca e Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: LFW Tractors was: Re: Site photos, was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918) Message-ID: <022901c04e95$21e010c0$45df41c2@pc1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:16 PM Subject: LFW Tractors was: Re: Site photos, was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918) . At least one made it's way back to > Czechslovokia (sp?) and is still extant in a mureum there. > Steve, Matt That's the one on my photos, Thanks for the input Steve, Saving it together with the photos. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:06:01 -0500 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Found it Message-ID: <00a701c04efc$6e64d180$e86dd6d8@stephen> G'day, Ron-- I would have thought that the very lengthy discussion at Aerodrome about covered the known facts (and opinions) about the Voss cowl that you wouldn't come looking for more on the List. I believe Bob Pearson is incorrect when he says that the issue was discussed here 6 weeks go. The truth is that the discussants were beaten back by a cadre of those who don't want to hear anymore about "that" cowling and are not willing to use their delete key. However, it sounds like you have gotten the message quite clearly--it's one of this "family's" skeletons after all. Your mantra of "sorry" may stand you in good stead as appropriately mollifying so you will not be considered a Voss pariah. Nonetheless, I wouldn't actually try and pursue the matter. Stef BTW, you--and many others--are incorrect about the sensitivity of period ortho films. And how do you know the Voss photos weren't taken on some other film type? Just a thought. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron F." To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Voss cowling? Found it | I found it, finally.... dont like the way the website is set up, cant find | it directly from the discussion page... | | thanks for the, er comments! | | again, sorry! | | Ron | ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2806 **********************