WWI Digest 2805

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Unsure of Postings
	by "Alberto Casirati" <ammi-alme@unicalce.it>
  2) Excuses
	by "Alberto Casirati" <ammi-alme@unicalce.it>
  3) Re: film alert et cetera
	by David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
  4) RE: French C2 designation
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
  5) RE: Underneath the wings
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  6) Re: [RE: Friedrich]
	by Friedrich Kappes <FrederKappes@netscape.net>
  7) RE: [RE: Friedrich]
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
  8) RE: [RE: Friedrich]
	by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>
  9) Site photos, was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918)
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 10) Films etc
	by Mark Vaughan-Jackson <mvj@thetelegram.com>
 11) Re: WWI Purple
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 12) Images moved
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 13) More images
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 14) Gallipoli - was:RE: film alert et cetera
	by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>
 15) Re: Photos
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 16) Re:  WWI Purple
	by "Mark Shannon" <mshannon@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
 17) DH2 references
	by jhudson@hcsmail.com
 18) 45 Degree Camou? was (Re: Bolle's Early Fokker DVII)
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 19) Sikorsky and Voisin via Master Club
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 20) Moving images
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 21) Re: DH2 references
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 22) Re: Unsure of Postings
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
 23) Re:  WWI Purple
	by Sharon Henderson <meli@agent.infodata.com>
 24) Re: Sikorsky and Voisin via Master Club
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 25) Re: WWI Purple
	by GRBroman@aol.com
 26) kits & stuff for sale (not mine)
	by JVT7532@aol.com
 27) Kits for sale, correction
	by JVT7532@aol.com
 28) Re: kits & stuff for sale (not mine)
	by "David Calhoun" <dcalhoun01@snet.net>
 29) Re: Site photos, was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918)
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 30) Re: kits & stuff for sale (not mine)
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 31) Re: Site photos, was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918)
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 32) Re: WWI Purple
	by Peter Leonard <peterl@cwcom.net>
 33) Re: [RE: Friedrich]
	by "David C. Fletcher" <dcf@mars.ark.com>
 34) Re: Osprey covers
	by mdf <mdf@mars.ark.com>

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:52:16 +0100
From: "Alberto Casirati" <ammi-alme@unicalce.it>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Unsure of Postings
Message-ID: <000b01c04e0f$cecea8e0$320106c0@acasirat>

It's Ok !

Alberto Casirati

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Hayes" <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 7:44 AM
Subject: Unsure of Postings


> Will anyone please reply specifically to this message.
>  I'm not sure my posts are getting through.  TIA.
> 
> TH
> 
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:19:33 +0100
From: "Alberto Casirati" <ammi-alme@unicalce.it>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Excuses
Message-ID: <00f801c04e1c$017883e0$320106c0@acasirat>

Sorry for replying to Friedrich with an attachment.

Happy modelling to you all,

Alberto Casirati


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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:01:38 +0000
From: David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: film alert et cetera
Message-ID: <3A110D82.5CDA67BF@dial.pipex.com>



Ernest Thomas wrote:

> Shane Weier wrote:
>
> > Still comparatively a crap movie vis the B&W version which (IMHO) is
> > probably the most powerfull war/ant-war movie ever made.
>
> You've obviously never seen Johnny Got His Gun.

Never ssen the film, but heard the song based on it (Metallica's 'One'),
which is pretty powerfuk in it's own right.

Dave



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:07:55 +0100
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: French C2 designation
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A017D079F@vsegn335.it.volvo.se>

The Spad 11 and 16 which were "sort-of" 2-seat fighters and
predecessors of the HD.3 had simple dual-control. I'd stick 
a stick in;-)
/Neil





>From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
>Subject: French C2 designation
>Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2000, 1:53 pm
>

> I'm back to working on the HD.3, and am wondering something.  Does
> anyone know if the French C2 designation (two-seat fighter) called for
> dual controls?  I can't find anything about that yet.  I suspect no,
> but am not ruling anything out.  Plus I'm in a hurry so I can finish up
> the interior as best as possible to get this finished soon.  TIA!!
>
>
> Matt Bittner
> "This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects."
> 

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:49:02 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Underneath the wings
Message-ID: <00cb01c04e30$e20d67e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Ooops!
Well, then thanks to Sandy for being a good watcher, but it was from your MS
I article from where I read about it and later recalled.
Just to know... Did the MS still exists??? (I remember it with affection
from Pensacola)
regards
D.

----- Original Message -----
From: <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: Underneath the wings


> > Now that I read the post again, I must add that the credit for this must
> be
> > given to Steve perry who posted this observation on the list long ago
> before
> > me. Sorry Steve
>
> Nope, it was Sandy Adam who mentioned the effect he observed on the BE.2c
at
> the Imperial War Museum. I used it on my little Morane Saulnier I Type,
but
> I got it from Sandy
>
> sp
>
>


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Date: 14 Nov 00 13:36:18 MET
From: Friedrich Kappes <FrederKappes@netscape.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: [RE: Friedrich]
Message-ID: <20001114123618.11971.qmail@wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net>

Yes you are right, my native tongue is German. I´m a 23 years old student of
the law, living at Mannheim in Baden-Württemberg, the Bundesland (the
Americans would say state) between Bavaria and France...
Actually I am no modeller, I have two left hands, as we say in Germany. I´m
simply interested in all kinds of ships, submarines, airships, balloons,
helicopters and planes. So I´m afraid I won´t be able to help you with advice
on certain kits in a certain scale etc. What I can do is help with
backgrounds: info on the fate, history, specification etc of the  vessels.
Some of the hep I can offer is to be found at my homepage: links, book reviews
of the books I own, a literature list of books I have heared of, a little
dictionary, a measures-tableau some pictures,...
I´m a member of about 70 mailing groups, and the owner of 3 which can be found
at my homepage, too.
Sincerely


Friedrich
The FriedrichFiles

http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:42:15 +0100
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: [RE: Friedrich]
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A017D07A1@vsegn335.it.volvo.se>

My god, 70 mailing groups, I'm in trouble just keeping up with this one!
Welcome/Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: Friedrich Kappes [mailto:FrederKappes@netscape.net]
Sent: den 14 november 2000 13:40
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: [RE: Friedrich]


Yes you are right, my native tongue is German. I´m a 23 years old student of
the law, living at Mannheim in Baden-Württemberg, the Bundesland (the
Americans would say state) between Bavaria and France...
Actually I am no modeller, I have two left hands, as we say in Germany. I´m
simply interested in all kinds of ships, submarines, airships, balloons,
helicopters and planes. So I´m afraid I won´t be able to help you with
advice
on certain kits in a certain scale etc. What I can do is help with
backgrounds: info on the fate, history, specification etc of the  vessels.
Some of the hep I can offer is to be found at my homepage: links, book
reviews
of the books I own, a literature list of books I have heared of, a little
dictionary, a measures-tableau some pictures,...
I´m a member of about 70 mailing groups, and the owner of 3 which can be
found
at my homepage, too.
Sincerely


Friedrich
The FriedrichFiles

http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:22:33 +0700
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: [RE: Friedrich]
Message-ID: <PIEDKPMPLLECGIPNNGNPIECOCCAA.haeusler@tm.net.my>

Sorry, Friedrich:

But Baden-Wuerttemberg (all OTF members: Remember the "Flieger von
Wuerttemberg" and "Die Flieger von Baden"?) is situated between Bavaria and
Rheinland-Pfalz, which is where I came from. WE are next to France and know
about wine and cooking...

Volker

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
Friedrich Kappes
Sent: Dienstag, 14. November 2000 19:40
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: [RE: Friedrich]


Yes you are right, my native tongue is German. I´m a 23 years old student of
the law, living at Mannheim in Baden-Württemberg, the Bundesland (the
Americans would say state) between Bavaria and France...
Actually I am no modeller, I have two left hands, as we say in Germany. I´m
simply interested in all kinds of ships, submarines, airships, balloons,
helicopters and planes. So I´m afraid I won´t be able to help you with
advice
on certain kits in a certain scale etc. What I can do is help with
backgrounds: info on the fate, history, specification etc of the  vessels.
Some of the hep I can offer is to be found at my homepage: links, book
reviews
of the books I own, a literature list of books I have heared of, a little
dictionary, a measures-tableau some pictures,...
I´m a member of about 70 mailing groups, and the owner of 3 which can be
found
at my homepage, too.
Sincerely


Friedrich
The FriedrichFiles

http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 07:10:05 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Site photos, was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918)
Message-ID: <200011141310.FAA21350@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:41:15 -0500 (EST), KarrArt@aol.com wrote:

>  whatever happened to my D.XII cockpit shots on the site?

I'm not through moving all of the "real" photos from the Images (Model
Galleries) section to the Photos section.  This all takes time, ya
know... :-)


Matt Bittner
WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-)



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:25:42 -0400
From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson <mvj@thetelegram.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Films etc
Message-ID: <l03130304b636c2cf0247@[192.168.233.66]>

Shamed to admit I chose Douglas Bader over the Western Front (shame, shame)
Actually enjoyed it immensely both for the ripping yarn as well as for OT
and only just ot reasons.
taped it so I now have some lovely footage of an Avro 504 in flight (the
Smer1:48 kit beckons)
The only just ot was some great shots of a Britsol Bulldog, the old
Lindberg kit is about to be resurrected as a model of Bader's Bane.

Hope all had a peaceful and plasticly-productive weekend.
MVJ



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:52:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: WWI Purple
Message-ID: <200011141352.IAA06985@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> I just picked up a Humbrol "cannette" of "WWI Purple".  A German color?  
> Weren't British tanks done up in purple also?  Anyway, how could I not buy 
> it?  Now, what model do I need to buy to use it?

I've always heard it called Mauve, but you can use it on German Aircraft
like the Albatros D-III and Halberstadt D-II with 2 or 3 color cammo patterns.

-Allan

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:03:31 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Images moved
Message-ID: <200011141403.GAA28562@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

Ok.  I just moved Robert Karr's images to the "Photos" section.  I'm
working on the Norwegian Taube now, and will try to get the rest done
soon.

As far as Stef's suggestion about doing this with the model gallery,
it's a bit more than we want to chew off now.  There are a ton more
model images than there are "real" images, and figuring out how to
break them all down within each type is something neither Allan or I
want to do right now (well, I'm assuming for Allan, but knowing his
workload, I'm sure it's something he doesn't want to worry about). 
Maybe at a much later date...


Matt Bittner
WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-)



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:11:58 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: More images
Message-ID: <200011141412.GAA17106@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

Also forgot to mention that I uploaded images of a "Thulin" that Marten
sent.  It looks like a Bleriot...

You'll find it in the Various section.  Also in the Various section are
those pages I don't want to break up yet.  Call it laziness... :-)


Matt Bittner
"This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects."



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:42:52 +0700
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= <haeusler@tm.net.my>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Gallipoli - was:RE: film alert et cetera
Message-ID: <PIEDKPMPLLECGIPNNGNPIECPCCAA.haeusler@tm.net.my>

I know this is slowly becoming ot: I remember seeing part of a movie that I
found interesting; story about 2 Australians (one of them a successful
athlet/runner) that joined the Army in WW I and are ultimately killed in the
Gallipoli desaster. Is that this movie? If yes, can anybody give me some
details on it? Would be very interested in learning something about it,
especially because over here in Malaysia you can get these cheap "original"
VCD´s everywhere (they claim they are on sale here before they start
shooting them in Hollywood).

Volker

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
DAVID BURKE
Sent: Dienstag, 14. November 2000 13:40
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: film alert et cetera


Gallipoli would be my number 3.

                                                                DB



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:41:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Photos
Message-ID: <200011141441.JAA07593@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

Len,

   Thanks for the photos - they're on the website.

-Allan

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University of New Hampshire +--------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:39:57 -0600
From: "Mark Shannon" <mshannon@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re:  WWI Purple
Message-ID: <sa10fa61.017@smtpgate.tnrcc.state.tx.us>

The Humbrol WWI purple is a pretty color in my opinion, but I don't think it actually matches the idea of 'Lilac' that the German WWI purple is also called.  The Humbrol color is a rich, reddish purple -- almost a deep blood red or dark burgundy -- rather than the more pastel shade the term lilac conjures up.

I've always mixed my purple for WWI, I use the gloss purple in the range (I think it is #68 or some such) with a touch of 64 aircraft grey.  Sometimes I add some more blue to the color, as indicated by some of the Methuen and Munsel values Rimell and Dan-San Abbot have published (e.g, in the Pfalz D.III and Pfalz D.IIIa datafiles).  I have a picture of the USAFM-Dayton Fokker D.VII in 'Ltn Stark's' markings where the lilac areas are rendered as more of a magenta, which I also do not agree with.

The Humbrol German Purple or WWI Purple is useful as a mixing color, in my opinion, but is not representative of any of the authentic colors that I can find (It makes a super base tone for red/burgundy leather and auto interiors).  It appears, as far as I can tell, that it was an attempt at reconciling the early war red-brown/Venetian red color (which it might be acceptable as) with the mid-war purple/lilac without recognizing that these were separate colors.

It also might be useful as the aubergine/plum color for Wolf's Albatrosen.  (I may have this wrong, I'm at work and suddenly drawing a blank as to Wolf versus Shaeffer.)

Anyway, this has gotten long for what is essentially my running off at the keyboard, so I'm open to suggestions.

.Mark.

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:07:30 -0500
From: jhudson@hcsmail.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: DH2 references
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001114100730.007c8100@hcsmail.com>


A couple of months ago there was some discussion concerning DH2's.
Lance Krieg wrote that he thought World War One Aero # 146 and 147
had some very good articles on the DH2.

I emailed the folks at aeroplanebooks asking them about these issues.
They told me they have the issues, but that there were no articles
on the DH2 in them.  Can anyone tell me what issues these DH2 articles
are in?  Lance, you did have a "iirc" in your post, so you're off the
hook.

Jim Hudson


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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:10:09 -0600
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: 45 Degree Camou? was (Re: Bolle's Early Fokker DVII)
Message-ID: <sa110193.091@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Cam asks:

"Was the Wing camouflage painted at 45 degrees on that aircraft or directly up and down? The early Fokker DVII's in the "In Action" book seem to be all up and down."

Whoa!  Except for the prototypes, all the D.VIIs had the wings covered in lozenge fabric, including those early Schwerin products with the streaky fuselages.  And all the known Fokker D.VII lozenge was applied chordwise.

Whether Bolle's was 4 or 5 color would depend on the time it was produced... I can check tonight and let you know tomorrow.

HTH

Lance




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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:19:23 -0600
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Sikorsky and Voisin via Master Club
Message-ID: <sa1103c2.051@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Todd, let us know if the MasterClub Voisin is available, please.   I exchanged e-mails with Oleg Kasatkin in February, and he told me he'd let me know when... so far, nothing.

DB - Yep, you saw the kit in Dallas, and spilled beer on the instructions, which promptly disolved.

The Voisin is type LAS, a company designator, and I believe it translates to a type 6 or 8 in French military parlance.  Someone with a better grasp on Voisins than myself will need to elucidate further.

Lance 


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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:28:20 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Moving images
Message-ID: <200011141528.HAA29547@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

Just a few left to move from the Model Gallery section to the Photos
section.  Be sure to "manually" reload the Photos index.html page to
get the latest changes.

Pedro posted some images of the LWF V Tractor.  Is that a US-built
machine, or...?


Matt Bittner
WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-)



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:34:15 -0600
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: DH2 references
Message-ID: <sa11073a.023@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Jim, I:

"... thought World War One Aero # 146 and 147
had some very good articles on the DH2."  

There are two EXCELLENT articles on the interior layout of the DH2, and at least one of them is in WWIAero 146;  the folks at Aeroplane Books just missed it.

I just reconfirmed my recollection by checking the "Back Issues" at WWIAero, and part XLI of the Cockpit feature is on the DH2.

If you want detailed photos of the interior of that plane, that's the ticket...  And I THINK issue 147 has more.

I pulled the magazines and loaned them to our own Paul Howard, threatening him with death if he didn't return them.  Paul, can you back me up on this?  Or did they float away in the great Abilene flood,  which would mean you are fleeing for your life... 

Lance


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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 07:48:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Unsure of Postings
Message-ID: <20001114154800.34702.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Alberto.

Todd

--- Alberto Casirati <ammi-alme@unicalce.it> wrote:
> It's Ok !
> 
> Alberto Casirati
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Todd Hayes" <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list"
> <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 7:44 AM
> Subject: Unsure of Postings
> 
> 
> > Will anyone please reply specifically to this
> message.
> >  I'm not sure my posts are getting through.  TIA.
> > 
> > TH
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays!
> > http://calendar.yahoo.com/
> 


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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:52:25 -0500
From: Sharon Henderson <meli@agent.infodata.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re:  WWI Purple
Message-ID: <jUsT.aNoTheR.mEsSaGe.iD.97422123922368@mailreader.com>

Hi Mark,

>It also might be useful as the aubergine/plum color for Wolf's
>Albatrosen.  (I may have this wrong, I'm at work and suddenly drawing
>a blank as to Wolf versus Shaeffer.)

As this is the plane I'm trying very hard to finish for the cookup,
I can tell you you're correct, it's Wolff.  :-) Schaefer had Jasta 
11 red with blacktail, trim and so on, as well as (on at least one 
plane) a black circle on the fuselage.  Wolff only had one Flying 
Eggplant, as far as I've been able to discern.  :-)  He apparently 
flew it with Jasta 11 in the opening months of 1917, up until the 
point where they asked MvR to let them share the danger of having 
red planes too.  Then Wolff had the Jasta 11 standard red with green 
trim.

Hard to define danger, tho; while the plane was still aubergine in 
color, Wolff was almost shot down by fellow Jasta comrade Lothar 
von Richthofen, who was apparently shooting happily away at anything 
that "didn't look German."  ;-)  Lothar scored a hit or two on the 
fuselage, but fortunately realized in time he was shooting at a friend.
It took him a while to live that one down....

Cheers,
Sharon
Wrist-Deep in a Deeper Shade of Purple than Lozenge Lilac... :-)



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:55:53 -0600
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Sikorsky and Voisin via Master Club
Message-ID: <004d01c04e5b$c81feda0$01e479a5@com>

> DB - Yep, you saw the kit in Dallas, and spilled beer on the instructions,
which promptly disolved.
>

Oh I did not!


DB


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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:00:42 EST
From: GRBroman@aol.com
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: WWI Purple
Message-ID: <57.d86769b.2742c9ba@aol.com>

It doesn't appear that British tanks were done in purple, except for perhaps 
the "Soho Pals" battalion of the Royal Tank Regiment.  Mark I's had some 
garish schemes but Mark IV's and beyond were more like field drab, a brown 
color.  I mean, why not?  Two minutes rolling forward in teh mud and you're 
brown anyway.  Why not go with the flow, eh?
Glen

In a message dated Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:20:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Stephendigiacomo@aol.com writes:

<< I just picked up a Humbrol "cannette" of "WWI Purple".  A German color?  
Weren't British tanks done up in purple also?  Anyway, how could I not buy 
it?  Now, what model do I need to buy to use it?
Thanks,
~Steve diGiacomo
 >>



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:26:09 EST
From: JVT7532@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: kits & stuff for sale (not mine)
Message-ID: <55.d441e12.2742cfb1@aol.com>

Hello everyone, I just wanted to let you all know about this fellow Mike 
Meleta who has a bunch of WW1 modeling stuff like kits and decals, etc. for 
sale cheap. I just got a big box of kits from him and I'm well pleased. He 
asked if I knew anyone interested in the rest and I though of the list 
Members' so please email him for his list as I have nothing to do with his 
stuff other than buying as much as my bank account would support. I got a 
Meikraft Caproni Ca.3 from him for $27.50 and it looks great to me. Hope you 
can use some of this stuff as the price is right. Anyone have any good info 
on the Caproni?
                                    Best regards,
                                            Jon

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:37:36 EST
From: JVT7532@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Kits for sale, correction
Message-ID: <91.2eb2a22.2742d260@aol.com>

I guess it would help to include Mike's email address, man talk about a brain 
fart!!! Must be sniffing to much glue, OH YEAH!!!
mikejr70@hotmail.com (mike maleta)

                        Best regards,
                                Jon

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:54:22 -0800
From: "David Calhoun" <dcalhoun01@snet.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: kits & stuff for sale (not mine)
Message-ID: <00e001c04e7d$11c9f2e0$230b3ccc@oemcomputer>

Hi John,
Please post his e-mail address so he can be contacted by us!
Dave Calhoun
----- Original Message -----
From: <JVT7532@aol.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 9:30 AM
Subject: kits & stuff for sale (not mine)


> Hello everyone, I just wanted to let you all know about this fellow Mike
> Meleta who has a bunch of WW1 modeling stuff like kits and decals, etc.
for
> sale cheap. I just got a big box of kits from him and I'm well pleased. He
> asked if I knew anyone interested in the rest and I though of the list
> Members' so please email him for his list as I have nothing to do with his
> stuff other than buying as much as my bank account would support. I got a
> Meikraft Caproni Ca.3 from him for $27.50 and it looks great to me. Hope
you
> can use some of this stuff as the price is right. Anyone have any good
info
> on the Caproni?
>                                     Best regards,
>                                             Jon
>



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:01:58 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Site photos, was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918)
Message-ID: <f2.486b3e7.2742d816@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/14/00 5:11:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
tbittners@sprintmail.com writes:

<< 
 >  whatever happened to my D.XII cockpit shots on the site?
 
 I'm not through moving all of the "real" photos from the Images (Model
 Galleries) section to the Photos section.  This all takes time, ya
 know... :-)
 
 
 Matt Bittner
 WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-)
  >>

Aw shucks, I knew they were there- what prompted the inquiry was I wanted to 
check something out a couple of weeks ago (easier than digging for the real 
photos here) and I ended up doing a search on the site to find them after 
discovering that they were not in the reference section.
BTW- the site is rapidly overtaking a lot of books as THE source for detailed 
information!
RK

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:02:17 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: kits & stuff for sale (not mine)
Message-ID: <200011141802.KAA08354@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:30:38 -0500 (EST), JVT7532@aol.com wrote:

> Anyone have any good info on the Caproni?

One of the latest Datafile's is on the type.


Matt Bittner
"This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects."



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:06:07 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Site photos, was Re: Bavarian jasta paint colors (1918)
Message-ID: <200011141806.KAA21769@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:06:09 -0500 (EST), KarrArt@aol.com wrote:

> Aw shucks, I knew they were there- what prompted the inquiry was I wanted to 
> check something out a couple of weeks ago (easier than digging for the real 
> photos here) and I ended up doing a search on the site to find them after 
> discovering that they were not in the reference section.
> BTW- the site is rapidly overtaking a lot of books as THE source for detailed 
> information!

Well, it was your message that made me get up from my lazy butt and
move the rest of the images.  Only a few to go.  I'm still waiting to
hear about the LFW V Tractor, though...


Matt Bittner
"This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects."



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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:17:19 +0000
From: Peter Leonard <peterl@cwcom.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: WWI Purple
Message-ID: <3A1181AF.80B6CC0A@cwcom.net>

I had a little play with German Turquoise and Red Brown a while ago. Mix the two to-gether and you get a very nice greyish mauve. I can't help wondering if that's how the colour was arrived at in the first place

cheers

Peter L

Mark Shannon wrote:

> The Humbrol WWI purple is a pretty color in my opinion, but I don't think it actually matches the idea of 'Lilac' that the German WWI purple is also called.  The Humbrol color is a rich, reddish purple -- almost a deep blood red or dark burgundy -- rather than the more pastel shade the term lilac conjures up.
>
> I've always mixed my purple for WWI, I use the gloss purple in the range (I think it is #68 or some such) with a touch of 64 aircraft grey.  Sometimes I add some more blue to the color, as indicated by some of the Methuen and Munsel values Rimell and Dan-San Abbot have published (e.g, in the Pfalz D.III and Pfalz D.IIIa datafiles).  I have a picture of the USAFM-Dayton Fokker D.VII in 'Ltn Stark's' markings where the lilac areas are rendered as more of a magenta, which I also do not agree with.
>
> The Humbrol German Purple or WWI Purple is useful as a mixing color, in my opinion, but is not representative of any of the authentic colors that I can find (It makes a super base tone for red/burgundy leather and auto interiors).  It appears, as far as I can tell, that it was an attempt at reconciling the early war red-brown/Venetian red color (which it might be acceptable as) with the mid-war purple/lilac without recognizing that these were separate colors.
>
> It also might be useful as the aubergine/plum color for Wolf's Albatrosen.  (I may have this wrong, I'm at work and suddenly drawing a blank as to Wolf versus Shaeffer.)
>
> Anyway, this has gotten long for what is essentially my running off at the keyboard, so I'm open to suggestions.
>
> .Mark.


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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:46:39 -0800
From: "David C. Fletcher" <dcf@mars.ark.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: [RE: Friedrich]
Message-ID: <3A11888F.2BB457BD@mars.ark.com>

Volker Häusler wrote:

"But Baden-Wuerttemberg (all OTF members: Remember the "Flieger von 
Wuerttemberg" and "Die Flieger von Baden"?) is situated between Bavaria
and
 Rheinland-Pfalz, which is where I came from. WE are next to France and
know
 about wine and cooking..."

I, too, lived in Baden-Wuertemberg.  I lived in the village of
Huegelsheim (near Baden-Baden, where the film 'Casino Royale was filmed)
- 'Hugie' was also known as 'Spargeldorf' (loosely translated as
"Asparagusville") and once upon a time the annual host of former WWI
pilot Hermann Goering on his forays to the Spargelfest (Asparagus
Festival).  Hermann did like the good life.  The aircraft when I served
there were somewhat "OT", being double-blowpipe, rather than
doppeldekker.

Now to open a nice bottle of Gewuerztraminer...

Dave Fletcher
-- 
Visit us at our Home Page:
<http://mars.ark.com/~dcf/>

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:31:06 -0500
From: mdf <mdf@mars.ark.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Osprey covers
Message-ID: <3A1192FA.F35C596@mars.ark.com>

DAVID BURKE wrote:
> 
> Actually, alot of people have problems with Billy Bishop.  According to the
> book, 'Victoria Cross' by Alex Revell, not a SINGLE ONE of Bishop's claims
> can be sustained by the German loss records!  Bizarre, but true.  I really
> hope that this doesn't subsequently start another diatribe about overclaims
> in the RFC....

If that were true then it says more about German records (or his
research) than it does about Bishop. 
The only victories that cannot be reliably confirmed occurred in the
middle of his career when his CO wasn't demanding adaquate confirmation
of his victories, and this period only covers 17 of his victories.
Neither his early kills nor those later in the war pose the same
problems. The early victories were well documented (to the standards of
the time), and the later ones Bishop ensured there was sufficient proof
to back the claims as questions were being raised about his claims, and
as CO he was required to maintain a higher standard of accounting for
those kills claimed by himself than the kills he was allowing for those
under him. 

MIke Fletcher

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