WWI Digest 2802 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Ansaldo A-1 Balilla by "Alberto Casirati" 2) Hartford Show, et al. by "David Vosburgh" 3) RE: Underneath the wings by "dfernet0" 4) RE: Great 1/28 Fokker DRI at Aircraft Resource Center Website by "dfernet0" 5) =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Looking_for_help_pt._1:_Jacobs=B4_tripe?= by "dfernet0" 6) Jacobs revisited by "Matt Bittner" 7) Friedrich by FrederKappes@netscape.net 8) Re: Osprey covers by "Carol & David Solosy" 9) Re: [Ansaldo A-1 Balilla]Another Ansaldo by Friedrich Kappes 10) Wanted Sikorsky info by Friedrich Kappes 11) RE: Jacobs revisited by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 12) Re: Wings & Wheels show by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 13) Re: Friedrich by "Mark Shannon" 14) Which Farman by "Matt Bittner" 15) Re: Friedrich by Witold Kozakiewicz 16) RE: Bolle's Early Fokker DVII - Yellow? by "Gaston Graf" 17) Chris Anderson's Cook Up by "Matt Bittner" 18) RE: Friedrich by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 19) Re: Which Farman by Peter Leonard 20) Re: Wanted Sikorsky S.16 kit info by "Lance Krieg" 21) Re: film alert et cetera by "Lance Krieg" 22) The Devil's Work, was, Re: Jacobs revisited by "Stefen Karver" 23) Re: film alert et cetera by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 24) Squadron rant by "Matt Bittner" 25) Re: Osprey covers by "Ron F." 26) Get your own full sized fokker! by "dfernet0" 27) RE: Osprey covers by "Ray Boorman" 28) Re: Underneath the wings by KarrArt@aol.com 29) RE: Underneath the wings by "dfernet0" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:59:40 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Ansaldo A-1 Balilla Message-ID: <01b801c04d47$ad0cfc20$320106c0@acasirat> FWIW, here are some interesting notes from Lee Edw. Branch (mailto:leb1933@uia.net): <> Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 06:17:34 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Hartford Show, et al. Message-ID: <002301c04d63$53128e80$73ed19ce@default> Dave Whoops, there goes my job as a reporter for CNN. Did they award the prizes in reverse order? I guess I must've heard "First place" when Al said "Third." Oh, well, you should've just kept it under your hat and everybody on the list would have gone on thinking that you'd taken 1st ;-) It really was a beautiful job, and an unusual scheme to boot. And Shane, do you know if David Laws is still at his old e-mail address? I hadn't heard about his misfortune. Whoever did it must be nuts --- I don't really know if I'd want to stiff somebody for $200K (AU or US) who's a lawyer *and* a former Commando... DV ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:13:36 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: RE: Underneath the wings Message-ID: <029a01c04d62$c4ffb500$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Nigel: Now that I read the post again, I must add that the credit for this must be given to Steve perry who posted this observation on the list long ago before me. Sorry Steve! Robert has a talent unsurpassed to make his wings translucent. I may try this approach in the future with my Taube wings, since the white plastic on wich these are molded by pegasus was sanded for me as much that if I'm careful with the paint I'll keep the translucence. Wish me luck or better, lend me an elf, Robert... Regards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nigel Rayner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Underneath the wings > Diego wrote: > >Rib tapes lighter than CDL: OVER the wings. > >Rib tapes darker than CDL: UNDER the wings. > >Think of the usual light that comes from above the machine and translucence > >of the CDL covering. > > Good point Diego. I'd come to the same conclusion myself, and I think it > makes sense. The combination of the light source from above and the extra > density of the rib tapes means they should appear darker under the wings. > Any of the artists on the list (eg RK) care to give us their thoughts? > > Cheers, > > Nigel > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:14:40 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Great 1/28 Fokker DRI at Aircraft Resource Center Website Message-ID: <02a401c04d62$eaf914e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> AWESOME! Thanks for the link Patrick I love that interior detailing. If I could do as good in 1/72! :-( D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Gilmore To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 12:40 PM Subject: Great 1/28 Fokker DRI at Aircraft Resource Center Website > http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:24:06 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Looking_for_help_pt._1:_Jacobs=B4_tripe?= Message-ID: <02ca01c04d64$3c036e20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Excellent work, Tomasz. As someone pointed before, maybe the "horns" are the result of an artwork devised in christian times, when pagan deities were regarded as demons. Or else, the horns in ancient times were supposed to represent wisdom, as seen in several representations of Moses (remember Michelangelo's statue) So it's logic that horns would be placed on a head of a god. This or the Godess is misbehaving... D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tomasz Gronczewski > I have uploaded my interpretation here: > http://www.tmg.obywatel.pl/pr_jacobs_josef.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 05:47:04 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Jacobs revisited Message-ID: <200011131146.DAA04628@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Well, in having off line discussions and plodding through some documents, it has come to my attention once again (I'm not sure why I forgot this) that Jacobs definitely based his design on a "devil", and not on the God of the North Winds. Since he and his wife were very religious, it is thought that his wife at a later time may have started calling it the GotNW instead of a "devil". I say this because of past interviews and the like with Jacobs before he passed away sometime in the early seventies. He not only called it a "devil", but also had someone draw it for him, and also colored one himself. In both cases it was the red/yellow that is the "norm" today. In addition, in his combat reports he described it as a "teufelskopf", or "devil head". In addition, it would appear that Jacobs' didn't "tell Hitler no", but instead refused to let Goering have stake in his company. Jacobs did serve in the Luftwaffe - I'm just not sure in what capacity. In light of the evidence, I still hold to the "devil head" idea. Even though the blues would look cool... :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 00 12:03:06 GMT From: FrederKappes@netscape.net To: Subject: Friedrich Message-ID: <20001113120311.2176.qmail@cacst118.netaddress.usa.net> I donīt know if you got my first mail, so I send it again: For instance Iīd like to ask my questions: Almirante Lynch (Chilean destroyer ~1913) date of commission, line drawing Amiens (French sloop 1919) line drawing Arabis-class (Brit. sloop 1916) line drawing Chiang Hsi (Chinese rivergunboat ~1911) date of commission CMB 40ft (Brit. MTBs of WWI) line drawing CMB 70ft (Brit. MTBs of WWI) line drawing Cordoba (Argentinian destroyer 1912) line drawing Enterprise (1926, Brit. cruiser) line drawing (of her original condition!!!) Faulknor (Brit destroyer WWI) line drawing Landingvessels: line drawings Lens III (German harbour launch 1910) speed Marne (French sloop WWI) when was her armement altered? Oppossum (Brit. destroyer 1896) line drawing Parker (Brit destroyer WWI) line drawing Plata, La (Argentinian destroyer 1912) line drawing Ranger (Brit. destroyer 1896) line drawing Shakespeare-class (Brit. destroyer 1918) line drawing Sunfish (Brit. destroyer 1896) line drawing T 1 (German minelayer ~1909, deployed to Chinese colony) date of commission Borel Typ Bo 11 monoplane: line drawing, armament Levy-Lepen R: date of commission Short 38: line drawing - 74: date of commission, line drawing, armament - 135: date of commission, line drawing, armament - 166: date of commission, line drawing Sikorsky Ilya Mourometz V: MG locations: line drawing/ photo Sopwith 807: date of commission, line drawing, armament North Sea (NS-) Class: armament Parseval PL 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 11, 13, 19: armament, line drawing Zeppelin LZ 2, 3, 4, 5: line drawing and Line drawings of airships prior to 1914 If there is anybody able to help, please contact me! Thatīs it for today. Waiting to see what you are talking about. Bye Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:13:50 +0800 From: "Carol & David Solosy" To: "WW1 list" Subject: Re: Osprey covers Message-ID: Ron F asks: >what was Alex Imrie's criticism of the Albatros book? sorry, i don't know what WS is, nor did i see it.< Ron, WS is Windsock, *the* magazine for WW1 modelers. In the July/August edition the Osprey book Albatros Aces of World War 1 was reviewed by Alex Imrie. The review starts by saying that "This is a good buy...", then goes on to say that the narrative "concentrates on the number of aerial victories..and generally tells us little of the men concerned." Imrie criticizes Franks for giving many of the aces only two or three lines but still dedicating space to having a dig at Goring, "ridiculously suggesting that 'friends at HQ' supported Hermann's victory claims!" Imrie describes Dempsey's artwork as 'competently done', but seems pretty upset about some confusion between D.Vs and D.Vas. He states that too much information is fed into both colour profile and photo captions with the result that there is some confusion. Mostly, however, Imrie points to errors in markings information. Nothing that should put you off the book, though. David S ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 00 13:21:02 MET From: Friedrich Kappes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: [Ansaldo A-1 Balilla]Another Ansaldo Message-ID: <20001113122102.7191.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> I search for a line drawing of another Ansaldo aircraft: The SVA Idrovolante, can anybody help? Regards Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 00 13:23:54 MET From: Friedrich Kappes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Wanted Sikorsky info Message-ID: <20001113122354.28048.qmail@wwcst088.netaddress.usa.net> I search for the mashine gun locations on the Sikorsky Ilya Mourometz V. Could anybody send a drawing/photo/painting or whatever? Regards Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:44:46 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: Jacobs revisited Message-ID: > Well, in having off line discussions and plodding through some > documents, it has come to my attention once again (I'm not sure why I > forgot this) that Jacobs definitely based his design on a "devil", and > not on the God of the North Winds. Since he and his wife were very > religious, it is thought that his wife at a later time may have started > calling it the GotNW instead of a "devil". Oops. So now I am puzzled. If so, I should revert to the 'traditional' colors of the devil. Is it sure that GotNW was mentioned by his wife first? > I say this because of past interviews and the like with Jacobs before > he passed away sometime in the early seventies. He not only called it > a "devil", but also had someone draw it for him, and also colored one > himself. So did Jacobs state that he had asked somebody to draw a "devil" for his Fokker? > In both cases it was the red/yellow that is the "norm" today. > In addition, in his combat reports he described it as a "teufelskopf", > or "devil head". Well, if he described it in his reports as 'devil'... it would be definite answer... > In addition, it would appear that Jacobs' didn't "tell Hitler no", but > instead refused to let Goering have stake in his company. Jacobs did > serve in the Luftwaffe - I'm just not sure in what capacity. I haven't known about it. So what was the 'hidden state' mentioned in 'Above the Lines'? > In light of the evidence, I still hold to the "devil head" idea. Even > though the blues would look cool... :-) If there is a clear evidence of 'devilish' nature of the badge, I have to revise the page... Cheers, Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:08:04 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wings & Wheels show Message-ID: <5a.cfbfc94.274141b4@aol.com> Boy, I am sorry I missed meeting you guys at the show. I still hadn't gotten the leaves up so I spent all of Sunday afternoon raking. It was great to be outdoors getting some much needed exercise, but I would think, from time to time, of all the great conversation I was missing out on. Well, gotta go, gotta get my Lee-Enfield zeroed in fellas, gotta keep my country from getting Gored. (Yes, I'm kidding - I hope.) Cheers, Steve diGiacomo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:29:07 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Friedrich Message-ID: Please, slow down just a bit. Yes, we got yur first mail, If you are ever concerned about that, you can have the listproc server echo your e-mails when you send them. You have a lot of questions all at once, some of them rather obscure. In addition, people tend to slow down on the list a bit over the weekend. Be patient and people will answer what questions they can or direct you to other resources. Meanwhile, look at what is being discussed on the list and enjoy. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:35:15 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Which Farman Message-ID: <200011131335.FAA19712@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Can anybody recognise th Farman? http://cgi.ebay.netscape.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=49601594 9 I'm thinking it's an F.40, but I'm far from certain. TIA! Matt Bittner "This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:47:50 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Friedrich Message-ID: <3A0FF106.412CFB42@bg.am.lodz.pl> Friedrich, Welcome to the list, I received your first e-mail, but sorry I can't help you. I'm sure someone here knows answer for your request. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:52:16 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Bolle's Early Fokker DVII - Yellow? Message-ID: Cam, the band WAS yellow, reflecting the colors of Bolles former cavalry unit but I forgot which unit it was. If I can find something I will let you know. sincerely Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > cameron rile > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 12:50 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Bolle's Early Fokker DVII - Yellow? > > > I am doing the Roseplane's Early DVII conversion on the Esci DVII > kit. The scheme I have > chosen is Bolle's early DVII scheme with the black, white and > yellow bands on the fuselage, > as on the In Action book on pg.31. The band in the middle is > profiled in the In Action book as > yellow, what is the conventional wisdom for the yellow being > chosen as that band in the > profile. Would a yellow appear as a darker colour in the photo? > Anyone got opinions on what > they think the band colours are? > > > > cam > AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm > > ________________________________________ > Get your email at > http://www.prontomail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:34:47 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Chris Anderson's Cook Up Message-ID: <200011131434.GAA11256@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> For those who haven't visited the Cook Up site lately, go check out Chris Anderson's well done Hit Kit Oeffag. Not only did he do a great job on a less-than-stellar kit, but the paint scheme is very cool. Well done, Chris! And in the Proper Scale, too! :-) Matt Bittner "This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:31:33 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: Friedrich Message-ID: Hello Friedrich Welcome to the list! I am aircraft modeler too, so I am afraid I am unable to answer your questions :o( Some list members know more about ships, so may be they will be able to answer. Gd. luck Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:15:30 +0000 From: Peter Leonard To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Which Farman Message-ID: <3A100591.1BD313D4@cwcom.net> wish I'd had this one two months ago. It's a F40, and what a reference for the cockpits.Bugger!! cheers Peter L Matt Bittner wrote: > Can anybody recognise th > Farman? > > http://cgi.ebay.netscape.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=49601594 > 9 > > I'm thinking it's an F.40, but I'm far from certain. TIA! > > Matt Bittner > "This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:01:56 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Wanted Sikorsky S.16 kit info Message-ID: You have been provided with the Tushino-Aviapress URL for the Master Club kit from Moscow, which is also available in 1/72. It is, without doubt, one of the highest quality kits I've ever seen. I was so impressed with it, I have dragged it to several shows, including the IPMS Nationals, and shown it to a number of list members. Buy the version with the wire wheels, even if you want to build it on skis - the wheels are unbelievable. Be prepared to wait, though, and let us know if Masterclub is ever going to finish the Voisin LAS. I'd go to Moscow to pick one up, if that's what it takes... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:47:20 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: film alert et cetera Message-ID: Tom Cleaver writes: "All Quiet on the Western Front... ending is directly from the book and far more powerful than the ending of the earlier movie." Tom, one of us is hallucinating, and you're the one in Lotus-land. IIRC, The book contains no clue as to how Baumer meets his fate, whereas both movies concoct the "cut down in peaceful pursuit of his hobby" motif. I guess our own stories will end with us slumped over in a pile of plastic sawdust... fingers reaching for that definitive Fokker olive paint reference. And as long as I'm disagreeing with you, MY copy of the Hi-Tech Roland D.II has perfectly acceptable molding and adequate detail. I guess whoever supplies you with Blue Max and Hi-Tech is just out to get you... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:10:58 -0500 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: The Devil's Work, was, Re: Jacobs revisited Message-ID: <006c01c04df9$488a6a00$e56dd6d8@stephen> Well, the Boreas hypothesis would seem to have gone to Hell in a handbasket, based on Matt's new information. It would certainly seem prudent to follow Jacobs himself with respect to the coloring, but what about the personality of the emblem itself? If Jacobs wanted a devil, he may have got the worst representation of him in the annals of aviation art From the period there is, of course, the well-known devil of 11th Bombardment Squadron and that of the 91st Aero Squadron of the USAS; a wonderful prancing devil graces a perhaps less-familiar Italian Pomilio PD; from a slightly later period, there is the Diavoli Rosso of 6 Stormo. These are immediately recognizable representations of the Evil One. I am sure there must be others. ______________________ >From the War Diaries of Frau Josef Jacobs Josef was on leave last week. It was wonderful to have him back in my arms again. We had beautiful times together. He was so happy one would never think of the dangers he was facing every day, except for a story he told about how his new aeroplane was painted by this new Gefreiter. And he often recounted the following conversation he had: Jacobs (burning): Zo...what would you call this, Karl? Karl (brightly): What you asked for, zir. A teufel! Jacobs (icy with contempt): A teufel? The teufel I asked for? Then, where are the horns, Gefreiter? Where is the pointed beard? Where are the bat wings, umh? (exploding) And Karl, where is the damn pitchfork! I ask, you Karl, where is this teufel's pitchfork? Have you never seen the teufel, Karl? Karl (quickly, explaining himself): Well, zir, there was no devil in my copy book. This is the Greek spirit of the North Wind, and since all such spirits were really devils, I...uh...... Jacobs: Ach! You have given me a teufel with blond hair! Dummkopf!...(containing himself) Karl, you will return the monies I gave you to paint this ridiculous teufel that is not *the* teufel. Karl: But, zir, it's all gone. Paint is very dear now with the war and all... I cannot bear to repeat his final words to that poor young man. Of course, I assured him it was a terrible thing. But in my heart I really don't care how his plane is painted. And I just pray to God that the war will end soon and that he will return home for good. ____________________________ I would ask Matt whether the interviews and Jacobs drawing have ever been published. Thanks and regards, Stef ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 6:50 AM Subject: Jacobs revisited | Well, in having off line discussions and plodding through some | documents, it has come to my attention once again (I'm not sure why I | forgot this) that Jacobs definitely based his design on a "devil", and | not on the God of the North Winds. Since he and his wife were very | religious, it is thought that his wife at a later time may have started | calling it the GotNW instead of a "devil". | | I say this because of past interviews and the like with Jacobs before | he passed away sometime in the early seventies. He not only called it | a "devil", but also had someone draw it for him, and also colored one | himself. In both cases it was the red/yellow that is the "norm" today. | In addition, in his combat reports he described it as a "teufelskopf", | or "devil head". | | In addition, it would appear that Jacobs' didn't "tell Hitler no", but | instead refused to let Goering have stake in his company. Jacobs did | serve in the Luftwaffe - I'm just not sure in what capacity. | | In light of the evidence, I still hold to the "devil head" idea. Even | though the blues would look cool... :-) | | | Matt Bittner | | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:38:35 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: film alert et cetera Message-ID: <97.cfcecf9.2741811b@aol.com> In a message dated 11/13/00 11:50:33 AM EST, lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: << Tom, one of us is hallucinating, and you're the one in Lotus-land. IIRC, The book contains no clue as to how Baumer meets his fate, whereas both movies concoct the "cut down in peaceful pursuit of his hobby" motif. >> It's been 25 years since I read the book. I went and looked and you are right. Just goes to show the power of film!! :-) Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:04:29 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Squadron rant Message-ID: <200011131804.KAA28808@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> If anyone has any connections with the people at Squadron, please have them move the "Advanced Orders" to a separate page. I'm sick of wading through those to get to the "New Arrivals" section. Hmmm...maybe the person doing the web design at Squadron should take a web-design class... Matt Bittner "This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:07:56 -0800 From: "Ron F." To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Osprey covers Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001113100756.007b0100@wizard.com> Thanks, Didnt know WS meant Windsock! I finally was able to subscribe to the ww1 modeling list! I do know of WS, and naturally many of my datafiles are from that series. As far as the Osprey series goes, ive heard the same short commentaries on either the aces, or planes, or units involved for not only this title, but for the others. seems to be what happens when alot of info is stuffed into a very short book. Thanks again, Ron At 07:21 AM 11/13/00 -0500, you wrote: >Ron F asks: > >>what was Alex Imrie's criticism of the Albatros book? sorry, i don't know >what WS is, nor did i see it.< > >Ron, >WS is Windsock, *the* magazine for WW1 modelers. >In the July/August edition the Osprey book Albatros Aces of World War 1 was >reviewed by Alex Imrie. The review starts by saying that "This is a good >buy...", then goes on to say that the narrative "concentrates on the number >of aerial victories..and generally tells us little of the men concerned." >Imrie criticizes Franks for giving many of the aces only two or three lines >but still dedicating space to having a dig at Goring, "ridiculously >suggesting that 'friends at HQ' supported Hermann's victory claims!" Imrie >describes Dempsey's artwork as 'competently done', but seems pretty upset >about some confusion between D.Vs and D.Vas. He states that too much >information is fed into both colour profile and photo captions with the >result that there is some confusion. >Mostly, however, Imrie points to errors in markings information. Nothing >that should put you off the book, though. > >David S > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:20:15 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: Get your own full sized fokker! Message-ID: <002101c04d9e$5f3bcce0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hey guys (and gals) gather your spare change, here's something a project for the fokker-hearted http://cgi.ebay.netscape.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=489470493&tc =photo I want one! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:21:01 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Osprey covers Message-ID: Alex Imrie seemed to be more concerned with the confusion on some of the profiles. As in DV's confused with DVa's. In other words check the pictures as well as the profiles on any particular aircraft you want to build. Alex was also to some extent taking a dig at Norman Franks and his twin hangups with Goering and the use of the word kills ;) Some of what Alex said though could be true of any book with profiles or plans. They are nice and give general ideas. But they should always be confirmed with photo backup. Overall Alex Imrie wasnt that critical. he was much more critical of the Datafile special on the Fokker DVII ;) Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Ron F. Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 10:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Osprey covers Thanks, Didnt know WS meant Windsock! I finally was able to subscribe to the ww1 modeling list! I do know of WS, and naturally many of my datafiles are from that series. As far as the Osprey series goes, ive heard the same short commentaries on either the aces, or planes, or units involved for not only this title, but for the others. seems to be what happens when alot of info is stuffed into a very short book. Thanks again, Ron At 07:21 AM 11/13/00 -0500, you wrote: >Ron F asks: > >>what was Alex Imrie's criticism of the Albatros book? sorry, i don't know >what WS is, nor did i see it.< > >Ron, >WS is Windsock, *the* magazine for WW1 modelers. >In the July/August edition the Osprey book Albatros Aces of World War 1 was >reviewed by Alex Imrie. The review starts by saying that "This is a good >buy...", then goes on to say that the narrative "concentrates on the number >of aerial victories..and generally tells us little of the men concerned." >Imrie criticizes Franks for giving many of the aces only two or three lines >but still dedicating space to having a dig at Goring, "ridiculously >suggesting that 'friends at HQ' supported Hermann's victory claims!" Imrie >describes Dempsey's artwork as 'competently done', but seems pretty upset >about some confusion between D.Vs and D.Vas. He states that too much >information is fed into both colour profile and photo captions with the >result that there is some confusion. >Mostly, however, Imrie points to errors in markings information. Nothing >that should put you off the book, though. > >David S > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:31:42 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Underneath the wings Message-ID: <80.2c82f4e.27418d8e@aol.com> In a message dated 11/13/00 3:18:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << Wish me luck or better, lend me an elf, Robert... Regards D. >> Luck to you!...the elves all ran away when I went on my painting binge- I'm going to send the dogs out after them later- round them up, crack some heads. Not too long ago, I finished a Fokker E.III- mostly an Edward fuselage and details plus an old set of Renwal Aeroskin wings. I ground all the rib details off the underside and thinned and refined the upper surface and added the short nose ribs from fishing line. The spars and interior wires were painted/penciled on the under surface and sealed with Future. The top was covered the old fashioned way- with tissue and dope- about two coats of clear, and this sealed the tissue so I could add a bit of translucent color based on Future. It looked pretty good! RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:59:26 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Underneath the wings Message-ID: <006d01c04da3$d8855a80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Robert! I remember your fokker very well. We've discussed about it in the past, remember? Well, mine is in its box again, waiting for a new flurry of enthusiasm after finishing the Albatros and the Taube.... with so much german stuff on the bench, this fokker project has cooled a bit. However the wings lie nicely sanded awaiting for the right time to surface again from the depths of the cupboard. Even when I started the drawing for a scratchbuilt fuselage (I've re-worked the parts from a MAC E.IV -shudder-) , the experience gained in this task helped me greatly on the detailing of the Taube kit fuselage. So much in fact, that I unglued it split open again after the "I could do much better than this" feeling pervaded my soul. I handled so much the "Taube Dove of War" book that I unglued many pages of it as well, and last week I took it to a book repair shop to make it sewn and put a new set of hardbound covers. It will be useful to catch any elves inside, a very annoying work with soft covered books. ----------ot mode on-warning------------- I warmly recommend Brian Froud's "The Goblin Companion" and " Lady Cottington pressed fairy journal". Find in these educative books the best way to preserve your own elves without the help of possums.-------- ot rant off------------ regards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Underneath the wings > In a message dated 11/13/00 3:18:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, > dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: > > << Wish me luck or better, > lend me an elf, Robert... > Regards > D. >> > > Luck to you!...the elves all ran away when I went on my painting binge- I'm > going to send the dogs out after them later- round them up, crack some heads. > Not too long ago, I finished a Fokker E.III- mostly an Edward fuselage and > details plus an old set of Renwal Aeroskin wings. I ground all the rib > details off the underside and thinned and refined the upper surface and added > the short nose ribs from fishing line. The spars and interior wires were > painted/penciled on the under surface and sealed with Future. The top was > covered the old fashioned way- with tissue and dope- about two coats of > clear, and this sealed the tissue so I could add a bit of translucent color > based on Future. It looked pretty good! > RK > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2802 **********************