WWI Digest 2799 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Holtzem D.IIIa by "Stefen Karver" 2) RE: Re: Holtzem D.IIIa by "Friedrich Kappes" 3) Re: Digest mode? by "Leonard Endy" 4) RE: Holtzem D.IIIa by Shane Weier 5) Re: May I have another task - pleeeease? Not. Re: Underneath the by Ernest Thomas 6) =?iso-8859-2?Q?RE:_Looking_for_help_pt._1:_Jacobs=B4_tripe?= by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 7) =?iso-8859-1?Q?WOW!_was:_RE:_Looking_for_help_pt._1:_Jacobs=B4_tripe?= by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 8) PC-12, was Re: Roseplane G.100 by "Matt Bittner" 9) Re: WOW! was: RE: Looking for help pt. 1: Jacobs tripe by "Matt Bittner" 10) RE: Looking for help pt. 1: Jacobs tripe by "Matt Bittner" 11) RE: Looking for help pt. 1: Jacobs tripe by "Matt Bittner" 12) Re: Armistice Day Poppies by "Nigel Rayner" 13) Great 1/28 Fokker DRI at Aircraft Resource Center Website by "Patrick Gilmore" 14) Re: Underneath the wings by "Nigel Rayner" 15) Re: Veterans Day, Armistice Day, Remembrance Day.. by Zulis@aol.com 16) Libramodels 1/72 bristol Fighter by "Ray Boorman" 17) RE: WOW! was: RE: Looking for help pt. 1: Jacobs tripe by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 18) Wicker Seats of the Steven Perry Variety by "Ray Boorman" 19) Max Holtzem's DIIIa by MAnde72343@aol.com 20) Re: Veterans Day, Armistice Day, Remembrance Day.. by Ernest Thomas 21) csm announcement/pd models by ERIC HIGHT 22) Eleventh hour by "Dale Sebring" 23) Re: csm announcement/pd models by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 24) Re: May I have another task - pleeeease? Not. Re: Underneath the wings by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Re: Underneath the wings by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: Eleventh hour by "David Calhoun" 27) Re: Armistice Day by Witold Kozakiewicz 28) Re: Libramodels 1/72 bristol Fighter by David Fleming 29) Re: csm announcement/pd models by "Michael S. Alvarado" 30) Re: Merlin & Pegasus comparison. by DavidL1217@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 17:53:10 -0500 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: Re: Holtzem D.IIIa Message-ID: <030b01c04c32$2c394380$ae6dd6d8@stephen> "Volker Häusler" wrote | As already stated by Bob, the Star is visble on better versions of the | photos also printed in the DF. RNP is a bit more equivocal than suggested by Volker, writing that there is "definately a comet or something on the upper port wing. The "or something" is telling since the stark contrast and simple geometry of the star should be as easily distinguishable as that of the wing cross. Contrast manipulation of a high-resolution scan of the wide shot with Holtzem seated on the lip of the cockpit permits defining the tonalities and shapes of the cross and border quite sharply. Examining the area between the cross and Holtzem's right shoulder reveals no similarly definite star shapes. Earlier Graham wrote: "And my eyes see a "spark" of light colour on the upper wing. Whether it is a comet or not is hard to say." Again, hard to say is not only not good enough with respect to choosing to depict it, but is contrary to the nature of what is being looked for: a bold, easily visible personal insignia. I don't know which spark Graham is referring to in the photo, but two that I noted in my examination were a roundish patch that is actually on Holtzem's upper right arm, and is therefore doubtless one of the many pieces of 'snow' that afflict this photo all over; and second a small vertically oriented rectangle along the axis of the forward interplane strut approximately where the (hidden) attachment point would be. This actually appears to be part of a much thicker and longer flaw in the negative that is brought into relief by extreme contrast adjustments. Further, the photo in questions appears to have been taken under conditions that those little exposure charts packed in film boxes calls cloudy bright or perhaps even overcast, with the direction of the strongest light in back of the camera position. Holtzem's face, which is slightly cast down, is well illuminated with very soft shadows. The relevance of htis, in my view, being that while the detail on the top of the upper wing clearly washed out with skylight glare, the area between the cross and Holtzem is not further obscured by direct reflections. If the star is made up of large black-and-white triangles, they should be distinct enough to be something other than "something." | However, once you´ve seen it on one of those | better prints, So far as I can tell, no one has yet seen it! | you´re also able to identify it on the upper print on p 11 in | the DF (the one with Holtzem in front of the machine. This close shot is the least likely on which to make the identification if for no other reason than the extreme foreshortening of the wing in this view. | However - is it a star | or a comet? looking on one better print of the lower photo in the DF that I | have, one "might" see something near the RIGHT shoulder of Holtzem that | "might" be part of the comet´s tail - but it might be some blurr on the | photo either... For me, might, might, might doesn't make right. Thanks to all interested and interesting discussants & regards, Stef Scanners rule! ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 00 10:59:04 GMT From: "Friedrich Kappes" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Re: Holtzem D.IIIa Message-ID: <20001111105904.14782.qmail@mx06.netaddress.usa.net> Thank you very much. I will reply as soon as possible. Sincerely, Friedrich Vielen Dank für die Mail, sie wird umgehend bearbeitet. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Friedrich Merci pour votre E.mail. Vous recevrez ma reponse le plus vite possible. Friedrich The FriedrichFiles - http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 06:49:01 -0500 From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Digest mode? Message-ID: <4ecq0to28pfludcrnr6m5fq91nkppb1k6u@4ax.com> On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 01:13:45 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Is there a way to all posts from each day in a single digest like e-mail? >How can I change to this mode? > Send the following msg to listproc@pease1.sr.unh.edu set wwi mail digest Len ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:32:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Holtzem D.IIIa Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C4E@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Stef says: > >RNP is a bit more equivocal than suggested by Volker, writing > >that there is > >"definately a comet or something on the upper port wing. > > The "or something" is telling since the stark contrast and > simple geometry > of the star should be as easily distinguishable as that of > the wing cross. Given that you're always willing to tell the rest of us that we're not allowing for the full range of complexity you should be a little more carefull of this statement. The factory applied national markings were, IIRC, applied using a flat finished paint, or at least this is what the relevant regulations required. Let us suppose that the comet, if it exists, is applied in the field using gloss dope, a likely scenario even if flat finish material is available because (as we modellers well know) incorrectly thinned or inadequately stirred flat paint can turn out annoyingly glossy. If that were so, the reflected light from the wing surface would show the cross easily, but similar levels of reflection from the unit applied marking might *not* IMO one serious mistake frequently made by people trying to interpret B&W photos is to assume that different tones can only imply either different darkness or different colour - when they may mean the same colour but different shininess, surface texture or even something so simple as different direction of brush strokes. In this case, AFAIC, there is *nothing* in the photo that will guarantee that any unit applied marking should be as distinguishable as a factory applied marking and therefore no inference can be drawn against this phenomena. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:07:46 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: May I have another task - pleeeease? Not. Re: Underneath the Message-ID: <3A0D52B1.AEBACECB@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > Gibber gibber......ook ooook... I stand corrected. Some of us are very sick people, and some of us are just Australian. :-) E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:10:46 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?RE:_Looking_for_help_pt._1:_Jacobs=B4_tripe?= Message-ID: > I´m just wondering wether anybody has prepared that marking for proper > printing already and might mail me the file. Hi Volker, I have uploaded my interpretation here: http://www.tmg.obywatel.pl/pr_jacobs_josef.htm Cheers, Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 20:04:39 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?WOW!_was:_RE:_Looking_for_help_pt._1:_Jacobs=B4_tripe?= Message-ID: Tomasz, just had a look on that page - and it´s great. Interesting analysis; we seem to have a tendency these days (see the Holtzem thread) to add interpretations that are contradictionary, which show only one thing: actually, we have to face the fact that after such a long time we have to interprete what things might have looked like. These interpretations might bring us closer to the truth - but unfortunately they might equally leave us in a state of confusion. Ah, those days when I only had the Munson books as a guideline... And as for your earlier question: "How does Oki work?" I must say that I found my OKI much more reliable and easier to use than originally expected; however, I must admit that I still have to fight with my last software upgrading, which saw me totally convert to the Adobe platform (Nice example of overkill, I now guess). Things look so nice in the begin, but you find the devil (not the God of the Northern Winds this time) in the detail... But: Thanks a lot - what a great service! Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Tomasz Gronczewski Sent: Samstag, 11. November 2000 21:21 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Looking for help pt. 1: Jacobs´ tripe > I´m just wondering wether anybody has prepared that marking for proper > printing already and might mail me the file. Hi Volker, I have uploaded my interpretation here: http://www.tmg.obywatel.pl/pr_jacobs_josef.htm Cheers, Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:03:57 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: PC-12, was Re: Roseplane G.100 Message-ID: <200011111504.HAA22282@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:04:34 -0500 (EST), Michael Kendix wrote: > Now, onto a question that I asked some time ago; the issue of PC-12, use for > a number of G.100 in the Middle East. I have a bottle of railroad red that > is an enamel based paint. Any suggestions for an acrylic PC-12? Mister Kit makes one out of the bottle. And it looks fine to me. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:11:59 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: WOW! was: RE: Looking for help pt. 1: Jacobs tripe Message-ID: <200011111511.HAA20978@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:05:23 -0500 (EST), Volker H„usler wrote: > I must say that I found my OKI much more reliable and easier to use than > originally expected; however, I must admit that I still have to fight with > my last software upgrading, which saw me totally convert to the Adobe > platform (Nice example of overkill, I now guess). Things look so nice in the > begin, but you find the devil (not the God of the Northern Winds this time) > in the detail... One word of advice. I have seen decals printed out on the ALPS both in bit-mapped mode, and ray-traced mode. Avoid bit-mapped if your software supports it. The ray-traced decals are worlds better. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:17:48 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Looking for help pt. 1: Jacobs tripe Message-ID: <200011111518.HAA29443@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:20:40 -0500 (EST), Tomasz Gronczewski wrote: > I have uploaded my interpretation here: Very well done, Tomasz!! You have brought some more thinking into it. The blue interpretation is indeed very thought provoking. Plus your analysis of the photo is well done. A couple of things. As far as Jacobs' Eindeckers go, there is a photo of him in front of one of them - it is thought the Eindecker he flew when he achieved is first victory. Jacobs also flew the Halberstadt D.II and Pfalz D.III. Unfortunately finding out anything about these two aircraft is proving to be very illusive. I have a conjectural drawing by Dan San Abbott of the Halberstadt, and he just finished it as a "plain" example. I've been studying Jacobs' aircraft for quite some time, and have quite a list of references. If interested, please feel free to contact me. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:20:46 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Looking for help pt. 1: Jacobs tripe Message-ID: <200011111520.HAA03027@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:20:40 -0500 (EST), Tomasz Gronczewski wrote: > I have uploaded my interpretation here: One more thought. Some people draw, or color, his "breath" as reaching all the way to the cowl. It almost looks that way in the photo you have altered, but it's very difficult to tell. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:50:38 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Re: Armistice Day Poppies Message-ID: <000001c04bf3$dfb6a900$fe15883e@w1o0t3> On this day I would just like to say thank you to all vets on the list for the service they have given. And please remember those who suffered and died. Keep their memory alive by creating miniatures that will cause people to think about what happened all those years ago, and how it affected those that had to take part. I shall in particular spare a thought for my uncle (whom I never knew), a Spitfire pilot who died in WWII. I have some of his letters, and he was clearly suffering disillusionment and despair. Yet he did his bit and gave his life. Regards, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:39:58 -0500 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: "WW1 Mailing List" Subject: Great 1/28 Fokker DRI at Aircraft Resource Center Website Message-ID: <001901c04bf5$a5d14540$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:40:07 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Re: Underneath the wings Message-ID: <001901c04bf5$ac2d6220$fe15883e@w1o0t3> Diego wrote: >Rib tapes lighter than CDL: OVER the wings. >Rib tapes darker than CDL: UNDER the wings. >Think of the usual light that comes from above the machine and translucence >of the CDL covering. Good point Diego. I'd come to the same conclusion myself, and I think it makes sense. The combination of the light source from above and the extra density of the rib tapes means they should appear darker under the wings. Any of the artists on the list (eg RK) care to give us their thoughts? Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 11:07:06 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Veterans Day, Armistice Day, Remembrance Day.. Message-ID: <92.c5b6c1b.273ec8aa@aol.com> << Funny thing: we're getting a real object lesson in the value of what they all fought and died for, right when we thought those lessons had all been taught. >> This, plus John's post earlier, prompts me to make a brief comment. I live in Canada, but close enough to the US border that I see all the american coverage of the current events happening south of our border. Please, dont trust everything that your media tells you. They have a natural tendency to want to generate headlines and viewers, often by pressing emotional buttons. I have repeatedly heard comments about how the rest of the world is supposedly losing respect for and ridiculing the US over this election thing. Well, I cant speak for the entire world, but I have heard nothing of the sort in my little corner of the "rest of the world". Such concern and stress over this outcome could only really happen in a country where the individual's vote is respected so, and that itself is something special. I hope it all works out soon... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:21:12 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "wwi" Subject: Libramodels 1/72 bristol Fighter Message-ID: There are a few models on ebay at present that are reasonably priced. I noticed there is a Libramodel Bristol Fighter. Does anyone have an oppinion of this 1/72 Vac??. Seems like some decent books are also on ebay too btw. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 17:27:58 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: WOW! was: RE: Looking for help pt. 1: Jacobs tripe Message-ID: Volker and Matt, I know that Jacobs' badge is more or less conjectural. I'd like to express that I absolutely cannot claim that the profile is 100% accurate. It is only my interpretation. But as Volker said, nowadays we have more assumptions and theories that documents. Taking it into account we may focus on very well researched aircraft or try to approximate the planes we just would like to model. I was always passionated by specific pilots and wanted to make their aircraft rather. Thus I have to live in the world of assumptions. > I've been studying Jacobs' aircraft for quite some time, and have quite > a list of references. If interested, please feel free to contact me. Matt, I would be very happy to know more about Jacob's planes. He always belonged to my favorite aces, not only becasue of his war exploits, but because of his subsequent attitude toward life. I am eager to update information at my site. > One more thought. Some people draw, or color, his "breath" as reaching > all the way to the cowl. It almost looks that way in the photo you > have altered, but it's very difficult to tell. Yes I know that. But looking at the photo again and again I am prone to state that the light area before "God's" head is a highlight of embossed board of the fuselage rather. Note that this Dreidecker was a bit glossy, and that there was a wooden construction slab under the fabric in this area. This slab caused hexagonal crossection of this part of the fuselage: ============================================= l \ / l l \ / l l \ / l l \ _O___O_ / l ===============/ \=============== l / \ l l / \ l l \ / l l \ / l =============\_______/============= / \ / \ I / \ I I/=============\I I I I hope that you have fixed length character set installed :oP > One word of advice. I have seen decals printed out on the ALPS both in > bit-mapped mode, and ray-traced mode. Avoid bit-mapped if your > software supports it. The ray-traced decals are worlds better. Indeed. It is because printers adjust best dithering of the vectorized shapes using various RET technologies. Having simple pixels as an input, printer can only calculate average hue of the printed dot and "does not understand" how the curve is looking like. I always prepare decal projects as CorelDRAW vector drawings without any bitmapped elements. Jacobs' devil has been drawn as a group of superimposed vector shapes in order to simulate shading. Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:33:23 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "wwi" Subject: Wicker Seats of the Steven Perry Variety Message-ID: Steven, I have a question on your wicker seat weaving. How do you take care of the section that goes across the back with X shapes. The wicker frame below and above this would be thicker. Do you use two pieces of wire or is it just hsp moved out the way and then the x's woven through. I'm trying some experiments for 1/72 seats and my first attempts at the seat were not bad but trying to simulate the x's looked horrible. Oh by the way for those with CDR/CDRW drives when you see pages with items of interest i.e. scratch building seats or accurizing DR1's etc. These are great devices to save the web pages off too for future reference. If you save to a hard drive it will typically get erased at some point. But on a Rewritable CD it can be saved for as you want without having to worry where you put the files. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 12:00:21 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Max Holtzem's DIIIa Message-ID: <59.2b694e3.273ed525@aol.com> --part1_59.2b694e3.273ed525_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that the markings for that bird are most likely as shown in the various decal sets, as Holtzem lived until 1979, and was a source for some research by the windsock bunch, they ran his obit, IIRC. As to the star on the upper wing, it's CLEARLY visible (even with my worn out eyes) on the upper photo on page 11 of the DF, those angles could not be the upper wing cross. Merrill --part1_59.2b694e3.273ed525_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that the markings for that bird are most likely as shown in the
various decal sets, as Holtzem lived until 1979, and was a source for some
research by the windsock bunch, they ran his obit, IIRC.  As to the star on
the upper wing, it's CLEARLY visible (even with my worn out eyes) on the
upper photo on page 11 of the DF, those angles could not be the upper wing
cross.
Merrill --part1_59.2b694e3.273ed525_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 11:55:43 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Veterans Day, Armistice Day, Remembrance Day.. Message-ID: <3A0D881D.B006E0A7@bellsouth.net> Zulis@aol.com wrote: > I live in Canada, but close enough to the US border that I see all the > american coverage of the current events happening south of our border. I'm sorry. Are our TV transmissions leaking over the border again? We'll get that fixed in a jif. :-) > Please, dont trust everything that your media tells you. I never do. > They have a > natural tendency to want to generate headlines and viewers, often by pressing > emotional buttons. Not only that, but they're rotten bastards too. > I have repeatedly heard comments about how the rest of > the world is supposedly losing respect for and ridiculing the US over this > election thing. Really? I've heard no such comments, but I'm quickly losing interest in the whole mess. (this NEVER would have happened if I were King). Frankly, I don't want the respect of anyone who can't appreciate the peaceful(bloodless) transfer of power. As for ridicule, let em say it to our collective American face. We'll stomp their third-world butts back into the sand they crawled out of. > I hope it all works out soon... Me too. And according to Brent, Her Majesty should be here soon to set everything straight. Btw, is dental covered under Her Majesty's social medical programs? I need a couple crowns. E. Who's looking forward to the new managment. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:58:22 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: csm announcement/pd models Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20001111105822.00a3059c@pop.amug.org> gentlemen, the pd decals have arrived. they look good to me very nice in fact. please contact me off list with your address and payment method. some of you i all ready have info on but please contact me and confirm. we will be closed from nov. 21 to nov. 28 and will open up again on the the 29th. i would like to get all (if possible) out to you before i leave. thanks again . regards, eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 11:06:37 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Eleventh hour Message-ID: <000701c04c0a$23d4b3a0$29b58dd0@main> Dear folks, At this eleventh hour, eleventh day & eleventh month, I'm enjoying the opportunity afforded us through selfless sacrifice of so many others, to apply bits & pieces to the interior of my Fokker D-7. My humble thanks to all that gave their efforts & lives for freedom! BLESS THEM ALL. Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 13:48:23 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: csm announcement/pd models Message-ID: In a message dated 11/11/00 1:04:00 PM EST, copperst@sd.amug.org writes: << gentlemen, the pd decals have arrived. they look good to me very nice in fact. please contact me off list with your address and payment method. >> My address: Tom Cleaver 6733 Bakman Ave. #21 North Hollywood CA 91606 Payment method - I'll send you a Postal Money Order. LMK how much, including 1st class postage, and I will get it off to you this week. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:03:12 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: May I have another task - pleeeease? Not. Re: Underneath the wings Message-ID: <9c.8cf21ee.273f0000@aol.com> In a message dated 11/10/00 11:17:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, TomTheAeronut@aol.com writes: << Thus: "Dicta Ira," and if you don't follow that rule, you can be asked to model elsewhere. :-) Cheers, Tom Cleaver >> Plus I know Ira- and if you don't have fun, I'll send him after you to MAKE you have fun! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:03:11 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Underneath the wings Message-ID: In a message dated 11/11/00 7:40:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, nigel@rosnar.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Diego wrote: >Rib tapes lighter than CDL: OVER the wings. >Rib tapes darker than CDL: UNDER the wings. >Think of the usual light that comes from above the machine and translucence >of the CDL covering. Good point Diego. I'd come to the same conclusion myself, and I think it makes sense. The combination of the light source from above and the extra density of the rib tapes means they should appear darker under the wings. Any of the artists on the list (eg RK) care to give us their thoughts? Cheers, Nigel >> On a general level, the above sounds about right. Ribs are "shadow makers" on CDL when seen from below. Often one can even see the rest of the interior structure- spars, wires etc. But- looking at big bunches of photos of CDL planes, odd things can be seen- and some times it appears that top rib lines are dark because they're "crud catchers"- especially on British wings with their frayed edged tapes. Dirt and stains collect in these imperfectly smoothed edges. My main technique for getting the effect right is to look at as many photos as I can find of the actual subject. For models, whenever possible I try to actually make the wings translucent- it solves all the problems of presentation! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:12:05 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Eleventh hour Message-ID: <00fb01c04c3d$31d2f9c0$862e3ccc@oemcomputer> At 11/11 11am I was finishing rigging on my cook up Albatros D.V - Ernst Udet's Jasta 37 aluminum finished aircraft. I am glad to announce it is now complete! I will be taking photos shortly, but will be able to enter it in the Wings & wheels show tomorrow - it is completely out of box with stretched sprue rigging. Hope to see several list members at tomorrow's show! Dave Calhoun----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Sebring" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 10:11 AM Subject: Eleventh hour > Dear folks, > > At this eleventh hour, eleventh day & eleventh month, I'm enjoying the > opportunity afforded us through selfless sacrifice of so many others, to > apply bits & pieces to the interior of my Fokker D-7. > > My humble thanks to all that gave their efforts & lives for freedom! > > > BLESS THEM ALL. > > Dale > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:16:13 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Armistice Day Message-ID: <3A0D8CED.90F492AD@bg.am.lodz.pl> Thanks all for warm words about our Independence Day. This is only symbolic date, 11/11/1918 was beginning. Next three years we were fighting with Russia, Ukraine, Germany, Czech, Lithuania for our country, most controversial part was Silesia (Tomasz region), three uprisings, plebiscite under international commission, finally divided between Germany and Poland, Gdansk became "free city" and cause of WWII. Uprising in Wielkopolska (Poznan region), war with Bolsheviks with great Battle of Warsaw in August 1920 - one of the most important battles in European history and one of the less known. If we lost that battle who knows if the Red Army hadn't stopped in revolted Berlin, in that case history of the World with Poland or even Germany as another soviet republics could be totally different. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 21:42:59 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Libramodels 1/72 bristol Fighter Message-ID: <3A0DBD63.B1D0C3EE@dial.pipex.com> Ray Boorman wrote: > There are a few models on ebay at present that are reasonably priced. I > noticed there is a Libramodel Bristol Fighter. Does anyone have an oppinion > of this 1/72 Vac??. > Haven't seen one for about 10 years, but IIRC it's quite nice - I think you could make 2 versions (i.e. two models) from the kit, which had parts for all Brisfit versions. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:21:43 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: csm announcement/pd models Message-ID: <3A0DD487.24B71808@bellatlantic.net> Eric, Let me know what I owe you and I'll send you a money order. My snail mail address is: Michael S. Alvarado 600 Brethour Ct., Sterling, VA 20164-1437 Alvie ERIC HIGHT wrote: > gentlemen, > the pd decals have arrived. they look good to me very nice in fact. > please contact me off list with your address and payment method. some of > you i all ready have info on but please contact me and confirm. we will be > closed from nov. 21 to nov. 28 and will open up again on the the 29th. i > would like to get all (if possible) out to you before i leave. thanks again . > regards, > eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:51:54 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Merlin & Pegasus comparison. Message-ID: I am not sure about any biz connection between the two. But they both made use of the Czech master resins for their masters, to varying degrees of success. Meikraft and Wings 72 vacs did as well. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2799 **********************