WWI Digest 2795 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Some Questions by Shane Weier 2) Re: Mixing paints WAS: Roden plastic by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 3) Re: Armistice Day by "Dale Sebring" 4) Re: 1:28 DH-5 by "Alberto Casirati" 5) Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 by "dfernet0" 6) RE: 1:28 DH-5 by Shane Weier 7) RE: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 by "dfernet0" 8) RE: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 by Shane Weier 9) Re: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 by "Alberto Casirati" 10) RE: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 by Shane Weier 11) RE: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 by Shane Weier 12) Re: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 by "Alberto Casirati" 13) Re: MisterKit, TC Models, and that wacky Lire by Lee Mensinger 14) Remembrance Day by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 15) Re: Armistice Day by "Tom Solinski" 16) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Looking_for_help_pt._1:_Jacobs=B4_tripe?= by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 17) help required pt. 2: Weyman and Kazyanenko scouts by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 18) Armistice Day/Poppies by "Edward Swaim" 19) Fokker Green, was Re: Roden plastic by "Matt Bittner" 20) Re: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 by "Matt Bittner" 21) Re: Looking for help pt. 1: Jacobs tripe by "Matt Bittner" 22) Re: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 by "Alberto Casirati" 23) Re: Armistice Day/Poppies by "Dale Sebring" 24) Ansaldo A-1 web page update by "Alberto Casirati" 25) Re: Armistice Day by "Limon3" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:08:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Some Questions Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C45@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Patrick, > Is there a decal sheet that covers the Fokker DVII of > Josef Veltjens? Several on the relevant Americals sheet. Apparently the markings varied subtly between aircraft Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:49:52 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mixing paints WAS: Roden plastic Message-ID: (SNIP) Keeping with the "bloopers" thread, have you ever tried to mix a small >amount of paint for that little special touch up on that tiny spot on the >underside of the tail and adding a bit of this and that to get the right hue >and you end with about a pint of mixed paint? What do you do with the left >overs? >When this happens I'm really tempted to drink it. Not as frustrating as when you mix up a bacth of your own special homebrew PC10, paint a lovely shade over most of the fueselage and wings and then. . . .just you reach for the last wing you run out of paint! Had that problem. Apparently my airbrush was on the fritz, blowing a lot more paint than usual which meant I ran out way before I should have. Okay, no biggie. . .you go back, mix up another batch, respray the whole thing and (horror) it happens again. . .run out of the shade before the last wing. #&%^!!! Do it all again - getting perilously low on brown paint and olive drab to mix. Finally all surfaces covered, a little paint left over even. You get rid of it and clean up the brush and then notice (horror again) that you left the cowling over by the spray booth still waiting for the final coat. Of course the two shades don't match now and you've just poured away the last of the same mix. . .and you don't have any brown left in the house. . .this is when you put everything away, retreat to a corner and gibber quietly over the beverage of your choice, vowing never to model again. Then you pause, catch site of the Dr1 that just arrived and think...well maybe I'll just start that one. . .after all what else could go wrong? MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:15:18 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Armistice Day Message-ID: <002f01c04b18$46bc0780$8ca58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Witold Kozakiewicz" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 12:34 AM Subject: Re: Armistice Day > MAnde72343@aol.com napisa³(a): > > > > --part1_29.c5fda35.273cab3f_boundary > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > 82 years since "the guns fell silent", it's also Remembrance Day in Canada, > > and something similar in Australia, IIRC. > > Merrill > > In Poland it is Independece Day. After 123 years of occupation by > Russia, Germany and A-H, Poland became a free country. > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz > Witold, happy Independance Day to you & all of Poland! :-) Best regards, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:25:39 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Re: 1:28 DH-5 Message-ID: <020301c04b19$b8ea43c0$320106c0@acasirat> Dear Shane, > [...] Stuff like subtle and accurate treatment of the ribs (even underneath where everyone usually gets it > wrong). Sorry if this is an old question, but : what do you mean with getting the underneath ribs treatment wrong ? Ciao, Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:30:28 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 Message-ID: <02c301c04b1a$63ea3460$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto Casirati > Sorry if this is an old question, but : what do you mean with getting the > underneath ribs treatment wrong ? Alberto I think that he means that the underneath wing rib locations must be recessed rather than raised because of gravity (at an infinitesimal extent) and undercamber. When the dope shrinks the fabric covering, on convex surfaces (as the extrados) the ribs slightly protrudes but under the intrados the ribs looks as shallow recesses, since the taut fabric is sewn on the concave shape of ribs. On flat intrados -as the fokker DVII- this fabric effect wouldn't be noticeable. Working on good, single surface wing vacforms, the effect is achieved instantly because of the molding process. I think that someone on the list mentioned once of a 1/48 Dr.1 that has this effect moded too pronounced. But since it's a 1/48 model I didn't wasted my precious time on remember it. ;-) HTH D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:37:36 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: 1:28 DH-5 Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C47@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Alberto asks: > > [...] Stuff like subtle and accurate treatment of the ribs (even > > underneath where everyone usually gets it wrong). > > Sorry if this is an old question, but : what do you mean with > getting the underneath ribs treatment wrong ? > It *is* an old question, but bears repeating a little. Most model kits show the ribs as raised on top and bottom. On the top, this is accurate, though the usual depiction is greatly exagerated. Of course, there are honourable exceptions from a few kitmakers - mostly cottage manufacturers. However, on the concave undersurfaces of the wings there is only one aircraft model which actually gets it right - though again it is grossly exagerated. Because the tendency of doped fabric is to form a flat surface between the leading edge and trailing edge, and because it is stitched to the ribs to ensure it keeps a cocave aerofoil shape, the rib positions are actually slightly *inset* rather than raised. This is only slight, and usually only visible (if at all) in about the middle 1/5 of the chord. Looking at the underside of a normal fairly highly cambered fabric wing without a ply leading edged, the first (about) 1/5 of the chord will have a slightly raised rib, the second 1/5 more or less flat, the third will have a slight groove along the rib and the remained will be more or less flat *except* where the wing has a wire trailing edge. In that case the final 1/5 will have slightly raised ribs. Remember that I'm only talking about the underside here. Having grown up with model company depictions of starving cow ribs it seems odd to me to have no ribs underneath (or inset ones!) but inspection of lot of photos and a bit of thought shows it must be so. Even so I measured this effect on a Pfalz D.XII, Albatros D.Va, Avro 504 and RAF SE5a, before I fully believed it. David, OTOH owns and flys an aircraft with a fabric wing. I guess that helped him decide on his depiction. His model is quite subtle by the way. No replacing mountains with trenches, just a short, neat, reversal of the lay of the fabric. Nice. HTH Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:37:53 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 Message-ID: <02e901c04b1b$6d41c180$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I wrote: > I think that he means that the underneath wing rib locations must be > recessed rather than raised because of gravity (at an infinitesimal extent) I stand corrected by myself: Gravity isn't responsible for this shape at all. If the fabric covering of a flyng surface is affected by gravity in any way, you're in serious trouble (I remember an unfortunate episode here with a loose fabric covering on a PA11) since it will affect the lifting capacities of the wing. Sometimes I have to be corrected even by myself. Geez I'm worst than ever. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:44:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C48@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Diego says: > I think that he means that the underneath wing rib locations must be > recessed rather than raised because of gravity (at an > infinitesimal extent) Gravity has *NOTHING* to do with it. The fabris is tight and HARD and its lie is not the slightest visible bit affected by gravity unless the aircraft is in terrible disrepair. > and undercamber. When the dope shrinks the fabric covering, on convex > surfaces (as the extrados) the ribs slightly protrudes but under the > intrados the ribs looks as shallow recesses, since the taut > fabric is sewn > on the concave shape of ribs. On flat intrados -as the fokker > DVII- this > fabric effect wouldn't be noticeable. But this is absolutely true. Ribs stick out on convex surfaces (upper, and first bit of lower surface) and *in* on concave surfaces. The effect is greater on the upper than the lower surface because the curvature on the upper is greater (it *must* be or you'd have a very odd wing ;-) > Working on good, single surface wing vacforms, the effect is achieved > instantly because of the molding process. > I think that someone on the list mentioned once of a 1/48 > Dr.1 that has this effect moded too pronounced. > But since it's a 1/48 model I didn't wasted my > precious time on remember it. ;-) Dragon (DML) Fokker Dr.I This is the one and only kit which I mentioned in my reply which was (as often) just a bit too slow ! Those of you suffering from disbelief - go look at a flying scale model with properly cambered wings. Assuming the modeller has affixed his silkspan properly, you'll see the glued ribs pulling a line into the covering just so Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:54:50 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Re: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 Message-ID: <022701c04b1d$ccf64400$320106c0@acasirat> Dear Diego, thanks very much for the informative reply. I have to think of this. **At first sight**, it seems to me that the effect should not be noticeable in 1/72nd scale, as it is not even in the best contemporary pictures. On the other hand, what *is* noticeable is the lighter colour of external fabric rib tapes on CDL undersurfaces, or the different colour of rib tapes on lozenge covered wings of German subjects. As for that 1/48th scale kit with the *horrible* recessed underwing ribbing, it is the Dragon Fokker Dr.I.... Ciao, Alberto ----- Original Message ----- From: "dfernet0" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 2:35 PM Subject: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alberto Casirati > > Sorry if this is an old question, but : what do you mean with getting the > > underneath ribs treatment wrong ? > > Alberto > I think that he means that the underneath wing rib locations must be > recessed rather than raised because of gravity (at an infinitesimal extent) > and undercamber. When the dope shrinks the fabric covering, on convex > surfaces (as the extrados) the ribs slightly protrudes but under the > intrados the ribs looks as shallow recesses, since the taut fabric is sewn > on the concave shape of ribs. On flat intrados -as the fokker DVII- this > fabric effect wouldn't be noticeable. > Working on good, single surface wing vacforms, the effect is achieved > instantly because of the molding process. > I think that someone on the list mentioned once of a 1/48 Dr.1 that has this > effect moded too pronounced. But since it's a 1/48 model I didn't wasted my > precious time on remember it. ;-) > HTH > D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:48:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C49@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Diego says: > I wrote: > > I think that he means that the underneath wing rib locations must be > > recessed rather than raised because of gravity (at an infinitesimal > extent) > > I stand corrected by myself: Gravity isn't responsible for > this shape at all. Yikes! Our emails are missing each other by a millisecond. *I* just took you to task for that... > If the fabric covering of a flyng surface is affected by > gravity in any > way, you're in serious trouble ...in very similar words! Hiya Diego! I have just *got* to bet to BA on business so we can have this converstaion with both of us actually hearing what is said in the proper order (our hearing may fail again after a few more drinks, but what the hey!) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:57:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C4A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Alberto replies to Diego: > thanks very much for the informative reply. Sorry I doubled up. I was not expecting anyone in that longtitude to be awake! > I have to think of this. **At first sight**, it seems to me > that the effect > should not be noticeable in 1/72nd scale, True. > as it is not even in the best contemporary pictures. Mmmm. I disagree here, though it requires finding a photo where the underside of the wing is lit just *so* and the aircraft type is one of the ones with fairly deeply curved wings before you will be sure of it. Once your eyes grow accustomed to interpreting the shadow along the rib line it is easier, even on less cambered wings, because the shadow will be along the opposite side of the ribline > On the other hand, what *is* noticeable is the lighter colour > of external > fabric rib tapes on CDL undersurfaces, or the different > colour of rib tapes on lozenge covered wings of German subjects. Agreed absolutely. In 1/72 this is a matter of no real importance - wings should have no ribs other than that shown by colours - and in 1/48 it's of little importance either. Davids' model is *much* bigger though, and the ribs look very right done this way. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:16:56 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Re: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 Message-ID: <025b01c04b20$e28b71c0$320106c0@acasirat> Dear Diego and Shane, thanks for your prompt and interesting replies. Now I have the chance to improve my next model's ribbing simulation. I love to learn from other's experiences and knowledge ! Happy modelling ! Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:19:40 -0600 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: MisterKit, TC Models, and that wacky Lire Message-ID: <3A0C03FC.121FAD7B@x25.net> I believe the Lira is closer to 2200 per dollar. Lee M. Todd Hayes wrote: > Btw, those are some massive kits. The Felixstowe > fuselage/hull is one huge chunk of resin!! Well over > 100 pts. of all types. > > Todd > --- DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > About 2007 lira per $. I bought the Felixstowe > > from > > > them. About $90 for the kit; Total was $118 with > > > shipping. The per kit price is excellent. They > > rape > > > you on the P&H. The Short comes out to about $65 > > > before P&H. > > > > > > Todd > > > > Hey Todd, > > > > Were you able to order via Internet, or did you > > have to mail the order? > > > > > > DB > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 01:10:48 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Remembrance Day Message-ID: <3A0C01E8.C9F8FC40@tac.com.au> Hi all, As Remembrance Day has already started here in Australia, we'd like to add the following to Shane's recital of "In Flanders Field" from "The Ode": "They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old; Age shall not weary them nor the years condemn; At the going down of the sun, and in the morning" "WE WILL REMEMBER THEM." "LEST WE FORGET" Shane & Lorna Jenkins ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:20:58 -0600 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Armistice Day Message-ID: <00a401c04b21$726fafe0$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com> Boy you kind folks are giving me a triple holiday! I'm very proud of my pure Polish family heritage. Happy Independence Day! I was concieved in Canada. Good day ey! Peacefull Remembrance day to all of you And to my fellow US Vets. Thanks for your service to our country, let us always remember our lost brothers and sisters, Thomas Solinski Major USAF (ret.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:34 AM Subject: Re: Armistice Day > MAnde72343@aol.com napisa³(a): > > > > --part1_29.c5fda35.273cab3f_boundary > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > 82 years since "the guns fell silent", it's also Remembrance Day in Canada, > > and something similar in Australia, IIRC. > > Merrill > > In Poland it is Independece Day. After 123 years of occupation by > Russia, Germany and A-H, Poland became a free country. > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:51:53 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Looking_for_help_pt._1:_Jacobs=B4_tripe?= Message-ID: I´ve finally succeded in unpacking all my stuff from that recent move to Malaysia and am now ready to build some REAL models again (in the time I was waiting for my family and equipment to arrive I only build the 2 ATF prototypes and semi finished a USS Northampton). So, first in line are the 2 Fokker D VII´s I started building 2 years ago (as Bolle´s and Sachsenberg´s machines), but because of the new Roden and Eduard tripes I decided to go for some of these again: one Revell, one Roden, one Eduard, build as LvR´s Jasta 11, von Boddien´s Jasta 59 and Josef Jacobs´Jasta 7 machine. For the last one(the one with the "Devil" or "God of the Northern Winds" - now what is it really? - on the side) I want to put my OKI (ALPS) DP 5000 into use. I´m just wondering wether anybody has prepared that marking for proper printing already and might mail me the file. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:51:54 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: help required pt. 2: Weyman and Kazyanenko scouts Message-ID: After a few short term projects (those D VII´s and Dr I´s already mentioned, plus a Salamander and a Dragon), I plan to build (over the next years only, I´m afraid) a series of "aeronautical oddities", comprising the Fokker M 9/K I (Classic Plane), the SSW DDr I (Roseplane), the AW FK 10 (CMK), the Dufaux scout (Scaleplanes), the Mann & Grimmer M 1, the Galvin Floatplane, the Christmas Bullet, the Weymann W 1 and the Kazyanenko no 5 (those last mentioned scratch). However, whereas the others are all quite well documented, I know only one phot each for the Weyman and Kazyanenko, plus the rather dubious drawings of Dennis Punnett from the Air International "Fighters A-Z" series, also reproduced in the "The complete Book of Fighters" and (for the Weyman) the FMP French a/c book. For the Weyman, the engine would not even fit into the fuselage, to name only one discrepancy. So here´s my question: has anybody seen any reliable (or additional) references for these two aircraft? Volker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:09:56 -0600 From: "Edward Swaim" To: Subject: Armistice Day/Poppies Message-ID: <001b01c04b28$4cf0d300$0101a8c0@hppav> A few years ago I found some seeds for red corn poppies. Since then, I've planted them in my yard. This year I bought a bunch of seeds to spread around a bit. The flowers are not often grown in the United States, but my wife's 96 year old grandmother (whose brother went to France and Germany as a doughboy in 1918-19) remembers that everybody used to grow them. Does anyone else on the list grow poppies? If you live in the American South, you can plant them now so they'll get established. Next spring you'll have a good crop of these wonderful, red flowers. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:17:42 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Fokker Green, was Re: Roden plastic Message-ID: <200011101517.HAA11240@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:15:23 -0500 (EST), Stephendigiacomo@aol.com wrote: > So I gather that you guys use some very special references and mix your > own paints to get it right. Makes sense. As I said in an earlier post, Polly Scale's Pullman Green (model rr color) is used by Fokker Fanatic (tm) Steve Hustad, and Mister Kit makes their own Fokker Green. I honestly don't see a need for mixing your own Fokker green. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:31:14 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 Message-ID: <200011101531.HAA28986@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:11:58 -0500 (EST), Alberto Casirati wrote: > thanks for your prompt and interesting replies. Now I have the chance to > improve my next model's ribbing simulation. I love to learn from other's > experiences and knowledge ! This has been one the best threads in a long time. From what I gather, in 1/72nd, the only thing that should be done "in scale" is to creater the "ribs" via color only? Make the ribs lighter, then? That means that *all* (minus vacs) 1/72nd wings on the underside should be sanded smooth then, yes? Very interesting... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:36:28 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Looking for help pt. 1: Jacobs tripe Message-ID: <200011101536.HAA14764@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:33:44 -0500 (EST), Volker H„usler wrote: > I'm just wondering wether anybody has prepared that marking for proper > printing already and might mail me the file. Volker, a man after my own heart. ;-) Jacobs is a personal favorite. Like you, I'm working on three tripes - the first, already completed, is the Hawkeye resin in Jasta 11 markings (turquoise rear end with swastika's on the sides and turtledeck); the Roden will be a Jasta 36 bird; and the Eduard will be Jacobs' "back up" Tripe with the white crosses (to replace an Airfix built way too many years ago before I knew better). The two people on the list who might be able to help is artist extrordinaire (sp?) Bob Pearson, and master of the decal making artwork, Dale Beamish. They may be able to help. Hope we see your models when finished!! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:51:03 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Re: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 Message-ID: <02db01c04b2e$08281fc0$320106c0@acasirat> FWIW, I would sand all 1/72nd wing undersides smooth, regardless they are vacuum-formed or not, as any rib recess would look overscale to me. Ciao ! Alberto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Underneath the wings WAS: 1:28 DH-5 > On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:11:58 -0500 (EST), Alberto Casirati wrote: > > > thanks for your prompt and interesting replies. Now I have the chance to > > improve my next model's ribbing simulation. I love to learn from other's > > experiences and knowledge ! > > This has been one the best threads in a long time. From what I gather, > in 1/72nd, the only thing that should be done "in scale" is to creater > the "ribs" via color only? Make the ribs lighter, then? That means > that *all* (minus vacs) 1/72nd wings on the underside should be sanded > smooth then, yes? > > Very interesting... > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:43:22 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Armistice Day/Poppies Message-ID: <002901c04b2c$f5c449e0$aca58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Swaim" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 8:13 AM Subject: Armistice Day/Poppies Edward, We here in Idaho are blessed with wild red poppies that blossum for about 2/3 weeks in July. Many hillsides come alive w/ this beauty & awsome color. :-) Best regards, Dale > A few years ago I found some seeds for red corn poppies. Since then, I've > planted them in my yard. This year I bought a bunch of seeds to spread > around a bit. The flowers are not often grown in the United States, but my > wife's 96 year old grandmother (whose brother went to France and Germany as > a doughboy in 1918-19) remembers that everybody used to grow them. > > Does anyone else on the list grow poppies? If you live in the American > South, you can plant them now so they'll get established. Next spring you'll > have a good crop of these wonderful, red flowers. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:56:25 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Ansaldo A-1 web page update Message-ID: <02ef01c04b2e$c86ded00$320106c0@acasirat> FWIW, the above named page has been updated in the "Project St. George" section. If you want to see how the sister of Ten. Antonio Locatelli looks like, please go to: http://www.museostoricobg.org/english/locatelli/libero.htm and look for the "To Turin" paragraph ! All the very best, Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:57:59 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Armistice Day Message-ID: <003e01c04b2f$00c48880$e7f1303f@f4w2s5> Witold, Happy Independence Day to you then, your country has sure gone through a lot to get where it is now. Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:31 PM Subject: Re: Armistice Day >MAnde72343@aol.com napisa³(a): >> >> --part1_29.c5fda35.273cab3f_boundary >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> 82 years since "the guns fell silent", it's also Remembrance Day in Canada, >> and something similar in Australia, IIRC. >> Merrill > >In Poland it is Independece Day. After 123 years of occupation by >Russia, Germany and A-H, Poland became a free country. >-- > Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2795 **********************