WWI Digest 2788 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Roden Brand Name? by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 2) The Polish-Russian War ]WWI[ Boer War. by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 3) RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 4) Re: Civilisation. by "Matt Bittner" 5) Re: The Polish-Russian War ]WWI[ Boer War. by "Matt Bittner" 6) Re: Spinning beginning by Zulis@aol.com 7) Re: Spinning beginning by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 8) Re: Spinning beginning by KarrArt@aol.com 9) Re: Spinning beginning by "Bob Pearson" 10) Re: Spinning beginning by Ernest Thomas 11) Rhys-Davids by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 12) Re: Rhys-Davids by "Bob Pearson" 13) Re: Farman kits by Todd Hayes 14) RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 by Todd Hayes 15) Roden Pfalz Plastic by Kenneth Hagerup 16) Norwegian Aircraft ID Help by Kenneth Hagerup 17) Re: Spad VII by Todd Hayes 18) Re: Roden Brand Name? by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 19) Re: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 by Scottfking@aol.com 20) FWD : Brits Armed Forces Website by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 21) RE: Rhys-Davids by "Ray Boorman" 22) Mail box wrecked over the last 3 or 4 days by "Ray Boorman" 23) DH2 templates by Morg17ms@aol.com 24) Martinsydes and Models by Todd Hayes 25) Re: DH2 templates by smperry@mindspring.com 26) Re: Roden Brand Name? by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 27) Re: Roden Brand Name? by "David C. Fletcher" 28) Rhys Davids, was, Rhys-Davids by "Stefen Karver" 29) Re: Roden Brand Name? by "DAVID BURKE" 30) Re: Martinsydes and Models by Witold Kozakiewicz 31) Re: Ansaldo Balilla by "Alberto Casirati" 32) D-7 by "Dale Sebring" 33) Re: Spinning beginning by "Dale Sebring" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:49:42 -0600 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Roden Brand Name? Message-ID: Howdy! Where did the Roden company get its name? Could it be after sculptor Auguste Rodin? I know, spelled differently. Maybe the spelling of the name is different in the Ukraine. Or maybe they interpret names names the same way the interpret colors. :) Anyhow, are there any thought on how they came up with the name Roden? Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:53:11 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: The Polish-Russian War ]WWI[ Boer War. Message-ID: {If historical discussions not related to model building are taboo for this list, I'll be reform, behave and promise not to do it again.} Thanks to Tomasz, Dave, et al. This Polish-Soviet war sounds like it could be a very interesting war to look into. I know next to nothing about it except the aero questions and answers of this thread. Imagine all that WWI equipment getting used like there's no tomorrow. Spads and Fokkers fighting (occaisionally) Spads and Fokkers. Sounds like it's worth a looksee. On the other side of the Great War the Boer war about which I knew next to nothing until reading Thomas Packenham's book held many lessons too soon forgotten thirteen or fourteen years later. If Packenham's assessments are valid - and they do qualify for the thorough and well researched 'category' as far as I'm concerned, (I admit that it's the only work I've read on that war - so far) had Redvers Buller been brought into Horse Guards rather than Roberts in 1902 we might have found a much more savvy BEF in 1914. Buller learned his lessons the hard way at Colenso. He didn't bother with burning farms or building concentration camps, and developed a slow but steady and continual barrage and advance method which meant that his forces always stayed in supply and medicals could keep up. A very differnt story from "Bobs" method of sudden jumps which flew logistics out the window. (Roberts' troops had a *real* bad time getting medical attention, etc.) I wonder what Buller would have done with a Royal Flying Corps? Oh well, it didn't happen that way. Buller was hooked by journalists into revealing some scandalous (to popular British sentiment of the time) material about the conduct of the war which would have put the army in a bad way with the politicians and was encouraged to resign. (The primary journalist to report the confidential matter was squarely a Bobber and didn't want to see Buller get the post to Horse Guards.) That's the way of things. Almost like life is unfair or something. Then again, rather than have a more effective "Bullered" BEF, I can't help if it wouldn't have been all around better if the Central Powers won the First World War. It seems that if such a victory happened quickly enough we could have been spared a Soviet Union* and a WWII catastrophe. (Hey, that last war wasn't devastating enough; look at all these buildings still standing and people walking around. Let's try it again.) ~Steve diGiacomo Windsor Locks, CT (860) 627-8518 *Oh I know, the War wasn't the *cause* of the USSR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:34:14 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: Reminds me of one thing: IIRC, during one of my last trips back to Europe Detlef Schorsch of the Modellbaustudio Rhein Ruhr (and the guy behind Classic Plane) mentioned to me that he still has some INCOMPLETE Meikraft Capronis (ie, with missing parts). As I have a complete one, I did not ask what´s missing... Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Mark Vaughan-Jackson Sent: Mittwoch, 8. November 2000 02:13 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 (SNIP) > >The last one on ebay went for around $200, right folks? > Whap. . .sound of my jaw hitting the floor. Hmm, maybe my colletion of WWI bombers is doing fine without it. ;-) Guess I'll just have to hope soneone else scratchs it to ensure some nice company produces a brand spanking new injection version of it. . .in the correct scale of course. MVJ Who despite being a baloon scaler is thoroughly enjoying fondling the plastic of a 72nd scale Fokker DR1 profi pack that just arrived. Teeny but yummy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 18:03:46 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Civilisation. Message-ID: <200011080003.QAA25214@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:06:17 -0500 (EST), Len Smith wrote: > Has anyone noticed how civilised the List has become recently? > DB has got the FMP French book. Brian Nicklas has bought a Farman 11, and > Michael Kendix is thinking about one. sp has a Farman 30 on his mind. > Jean-Baptiste is considering a Voisin and last I heard Diego was waiting for > his. Matthieu le Bittner as always is pleading for a Breguet 5. I have a > Nieuport Triplane on the go. > > Marvellous ! It sure is! To be honest, though, I'm going to start getting seriously into the Hanriot HD.3. Viva la France! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 18:07:28 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: The Polish-Russian War ]WWI[ Boer War. Message-ID: <200011080007.QAA08203@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> There's one other thing to think of IRT this - and the civil - war in Russia. If it wasn't for copying the DH9a, Polikarpov would have never gotten his start. Now that may be stretching it a bit, but it puts it on topic. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:01:40 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spinning beginning Message-ID: Ok... ok.... we'll stay calm tonight. But.... two weeks from now when the Canadians go and vote.... we are going to go nuts, right? :-) Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:21:02 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spinning beginning Message-ID: <68.8f2fe00.273a047e@aol.com> In a message dated 11/7/00 8:03:32 PM EST, Zulis@aol.com writes: << But.... two weeks from now when the Canadians go and vote.... we are going to go nuts, right? :-) >> Canadians? Vote? About what??? :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:24:04 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spinning beginning Message-ID: <8e.ca54b77.273a0534@aol.com> In a message dated 11/7/00 5:03:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, Zulis@aol.com writes: << But.... two weeks from now when the Canadians go and vote.... we are going to go nuts, right? :-) Dave Z >> Canadians ...... nuts.......redundant! RK (who meant that in a nice way) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:43:16 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spinning beginning Message-ID: <200011080157.RAA01784@mail.rapidnet.net> Hey .. at least we didn't vote for ........ oops. . almost said it Bob ---------- >From: KarrArt@aol.com > << > But.... two weeks from now when the Canadians go and vote.... we are going > to go nuts, right? :-) > > > Dave Z >> > > Canadians ...... nuts.......redundant! > RK (who meant that in a nice way) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 19:45:31 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spinning beginning Message-ID: <3A08B03A.AF01912A@bellsouth.net> Zulis@aol.com wrote: > Ok... ok.... we'll stay calm tonight. Why? We have a motion to go 'broke'. Lets vote on it? I say 'eye' for broke. > But.... two weeks from now when the Canadians go and vote.... we are going > to go nuts, right? :-) Deal. Who's running? I'm in favor of whoever will keep the programs that keep WWI Modeling List subscribers alive who would otherwise be dead if they lived in the US. :-) E. who, with a bitter taste in the mouth after casting my ballot, is now starting the ground work for the Colin Powell/Jesse Ventura campaign in '04. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:47:58 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Rhys-Davids Message-ID: <001b01c04925$eca0e980$e13c183f@cyrixp166> Rhys-Davids was shot down 83 yrs ago October 27. Regards, Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 18:01:19 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rhys-Davids Message-ID: <200011080215.SAA02427@mail.rapidnet.net> And? ---------- >From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Rhys-Davids >Date: Tue, Nov 7, 2000, 5:57 pm > > Rhys-Davids was shot down 83 yrs ago October 27. > > Regards, > Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:30:36 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Farman kits Message-ID: <20001108023036.62223.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Len, Yup. You've described my Czech Master's Kits perfectly. Mine are in 1:48 though. Todd --- Len Smith wrote: > > From: "Todd Hayes" > > >Maybe they were Czech Master's Kits. They've > released > >some unusual ones in the past. > > No way ! Even the earliest CzechMasters were new > moulds, they may possibly > have been modelled on earlier vacs but were much > crisper than straight > copies. Also they were moulded in a tough, > horrible dark green resin which > once seen, never forgotten. The original kits came > with no decals, no > P.E., but if you were lucky you got an exploded view > showing approximately > where most of the parts went. If you weren't lucky > you just got the > plastic bag containing the parts. Usually, but not > always, this had the name > of the A/c marked on. > All in all some of the finest kits around at the > time, but I wouldn't call > the DH5 and 9, the Be2 series, the Bristol M1c, the > Sopwith Dolphin Snipe > and Strutter unusual. Of course SOME people might > class the Armstrong > Whitworth FK10 Quadraplane slightly out of the > ordinary. > > Regards Len. > > lensmith@clara.net > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:34:20 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <20001108023420.90241.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> At $200, A person might as well buy the 1:48 Ca.3 from AJP! TH --- Volker_Häusler wrote: > Reminds me of one thing: IIRC, during one of my last > trips back to Europe > Detlef Schorsch of the Modellbaustudio Rhein Ruhr > (and the guy behind > Classic Plane) mentioned to me that he still has > some INCOMPLETE Meikraft > Capronis (ie, with missing parts). As I have a > complete one, I did not ask > what´s missing... > > Volker > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Mark Vaughan-Jackson > Sent: Mittwoch, 8. November 2000 02:13 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 > > > (SNIP) > > > >The last one on ebay went for around $200, right > folks? > > > > Whap. . .sound of my jaw hitting the floor. > Hmm, maybe my colletion of WWI bombers is doing fine > without it. ;-) > Guess I'll just have to hope soneone else scratchs > it to ensure some nice > company produces a brand spanking new injection > version of it. . .in the > correct scale of course. > > MVJ > Who despite being a baloon scaler is thoroughly > enjoying fondling the > plastic of a 72nd scale Fokker DR1 profi pack that > just arrived. Teeny but > yummy. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:40:09 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Hagerup To: WWI List Subject: Roden Pfalz Plastic Message-ID: <384636494.973651209765.JavaMail.root@web694-wra.mail.com> The Roden plastic is pretty hard, certainly harder than that found in Pegasus' kits. Curiously, the gray color of the plastic is slightly different on the two sprues making up each kit. The molding detail is just a bit softer than Eduard's latest kits, particularly around the wing radiator. I've begun cutting out pieces and dry fitting the major ones. No major assembly problems have yet presented themselves and even the lower wing to fuselage joint seems to be snug. The seam between the cowl and the fuselage looks like it might need just a small amount of filling and sanding. No predictions on struts, yet, but the Pfalz's one piece interplane and cabane struts should be easier than some of the more complicated arrangements with some other Toko and Roden kits. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:52:31 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Hagerup To: WWI List Subject: Norwegian Aircraft ID Help Message-ID: <391576420.973651951346.JavaMail.root@web124-wra.mail.com> My parents returned from a trip to Norway recently with a pile of photographs taken by my relatives in Tromso in the first half of the 1900's. One of the photos is of a head on view of an open cockpit, low wing, monoplane floatplane. It has a two-bladed wooden prop, a radiator reminiscent of the W29, and what looks like corrugated wings, at least at the wing roots. The float struts are of this configuration: HH _______HH_______ //__\\ 0 0 Any guesses? (Scans upon request...) Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:00:08 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spad VII Message-ID: <20001108030008.95725.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Peter, If they don't, Sopwith Hobbies might. If not, the JMGT kits are really nice. I'd like to see someone like Eduard do one. Expensive, yes, but the best there is. TH --- Peter Leonard wrote: > Last I heared Blue Max still had a few in stock at > http://www.pegasusmodels.co.uk > > cheers > > Peter L > > Myles Miller wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'm interested in building a Spad VII, but the > 1/48 scale offerings looks > > pretty thin. I've found that the JGMT resin kit > is available for $60.00 ++, > > but this is a little steep. Are any of the OOP > Blue Max kits available > > anywhere? > > > > Thanks, > > Myles > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:12:34 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roden Brand Name? Message-ID: <3A08C4A2.129FE9ED@tac.com.au> Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com wrote: > Anyhow, are there any thought on how they came up with the name Roden? No idea but thought I'd share with you the fact that, over here, an increaingly popular name for them is Rodents :-) Meeces in peeces perhaps? Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:48:56 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: In a message dated 11/7/00 1:45:23 PM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:26:53 -0500 (EST), Mark Vaughan-Jackson wrote: > How readily available is this kit?? > hard to come by, easily ordered or must I dare the slings and arrows of > Ebay's outrageous fortunes?? >> And lets not forget that Mr. Meikrantz himself passed away this summer, so its not likely the kit will ever be produced again, we can only hope Roden or some similar mfr may decide to do this, if the Gothas are successful. Skippy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:34:27 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: FWD : Brits Armed Forces Website Message-ID: <6f.ca68cfb.273a31d3@aol.com> Looks at all wars. Great War material snipped below: --british-forces.com-- Between 4th October and 7th November these were Added, changed or updated: >snip< Britain in The Great War 10/10 Added Technicial Innovations of the Great War: The Armoured Car, The British Army: Armoured Car Units, Royal Naval Armoured Car Division and RNAS Armoured Cars Squadrons. 17/10 Added A Bizarre Duel 29/10 Added World War One Bombs >snip< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:46:00 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Rhys-Davids Message-ID: Bob, I don't have a clue, did he forget to vote or something.... ;) Sorry Cyg I couldnt resist -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Bob Pearson Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:06 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Rhys-Davids And? ---------- >From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Rhys-Davids >Date: Tue, Nov 7, 2000, 5:57 pm > > Rhys-Davids was shot down 83 yrs ago October 27. > > Regards, > Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:49:43 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "wwi" Subject: Mail box wrecked over the last 3 or 4 days Message-ID: My ISP has been offline for the last 4 days. At least my ADSL account was. When I got back online today, I only had mail from midnight PST last night. So anyone who emailed me since last friday morning can you please re-email me. PS you wouldnt beleive how crabby you get not having a daily dose of wwi madness to read. Regards, Ray. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:53:15 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: DH2 templates Message-ID: <43.c52cca2.273a363b@aol.com> I was going to mail the wing templates to one of you guys, but like an idiot I've deleted your name and address - duh! Please resend. Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:53:53 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Martinsydes and Models Message-ID: <20001108045353.9947.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Another of the forgotten aircraft companies. Does anyone know of any decent kits of the S.1 Scout, G.100/102 Elephant, or F.3/4 Buzzard in 1:48? TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 00:05:34 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: DH2 templates Message-ID: <000701c04941$87caf160$37f0aec7@default> > I was going to mail the wing templates to one of you guys, but like an idiot > I've deleted your name and address - duh! Please resend. > > Tom Morgan Tom: It was me. Steven perry 2234 37th Ave N St Petersburg, FL 33713 Thanks :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 00:33:17 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roden Brand Name? Message-ID: Hey, I got a question. What do you call a kit built by Lorna? Lorna Done, of course. HA ha ha hee hee ho. Just ribbing. Um, with my name, I better not joke around, though. Cheers, Steve diGiacomo (who's wondering if he's going to be notified that it's a hackneyed joke.) In a message dated 11/8/2000 3:10:13 AM, sljenkins@tac.com.au writes: << No idea but thought I'd share with you the fact that, over here, an increaingly popular name for them is Rodents :-) Meeces in peeces perhaps? Lorna >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:55:22 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roden Brand Name? Message-ID: <3A08EACA.4A993494@mars.ark.com> Stephendigiacomo@aol.com wrote: "Um, with my name, I better not joke around, though..." It's "ot" but topical in the name department. Some years back an "ot" aircraft, a type in which I've logged nearly 5,000 hours, flew into Shearwater, Nova Scotia. The pilots decided to file a flight plan back to Summerside with Ground Control. When it came to "Pilot's Name" on the form, this was provided as "Nachonecky"; Ground Control paused and then asked for the co-pilot's name instead - "Notagiacomo"; there was a longer pause and, "Are there any other pilots on board", to which the reply was, "Affirmative, Dzondolet". They eventually filed under the Flight Engineer's name! Now how do I bring this back to "OT"? Oh yes, I have two Sopwiths sitting here in anticipation of a cook-up... Now what is the origin of the name "Sopwith"? Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 02:13:48 -0500 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: Rhys Davids, was, Rhys-Davids Message-ID: <002e01c04953$73315520$c06dd6d8@stephen> At least that's what Alex Revell has most emphatically said is correct. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 8:57 PM Subject: Rhys-Davids | Rhys-Davids was shot down 83 yrs ago October 27. | | Regards, | Cyg. | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 00:55:16 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Roden Brand Name? Message-ID: <002901c04951$0503fd20$44e579a5@com> > It's "ot" but topical in the name department. I jump pretty ot on this too, but 'WWI part 2: the Return of the Great War' Ace Robert Johnson wrote in his book about flight training when he was barracksed with another pilot who happened to be of Polish descent, and had the last name Gracyalyn (IIRC). The drill sergeant would ask him his name, which of course sounded like 'Gracie Allen'. Apparently, this got him into hot water initially until things got sorted out. Back OT: re-stripped the bloody upper wing of the Camel and am re-finishing it. Gads, this thing will never be done! But, OTOH, I have also nipped into my Williams Bros. Gee Bee R-1. Only one wing, but at least it has wires! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 08:51:54 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Martinsydes and Models Message-ID: <3A09061A.A8876C05@bg.am.lodz.pl> Todd Hayes napisa³(a): > > Another of the forgotten aircraft companies. Does > anyone know of any decent kits of the S.1 Scout, > G.100/102 Elephant, or F.3/4 Buzzard in 1:48? No, but Buzzard is one of my most wanted kits. Our AF commander was using Buzzard as his personal plane. Another type used in Polish AF (add to Tomasz's list)- only single one but painted in white and red stripes on all surfaces. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:48:18 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Re: Ansaldo Balilla Message-ID: <00af01c04960$a49fd480$320106c0@acasirat> Thanks to all who answered. Diego Fernetti wrote: > The Balilla must have been a difficult plane to handle. There were several > mishaps with argie Balillas as well, and those were italian built machines. Very interesting, as there is no report at all of such difficulties by Italian pilots. Balillas were even used for night flying experiences and Antonio Locatelli, one of the best recce pilots of the whole war and usually flying SVA-5s, described the aeroplane as a very nice one in all respects, also flying it as a sport plane well into the twenties. Although it was not adopted on a large scale by the Italian Aviazione del Regio Esercito (because of standardization reasons and of the inevitable teething troubles which were being solved when the war ended), even Hanriot Hd.1 pilots (and that aeroplane was a delightful machine to fly!) found it a good aeroplane. > Of course, just a handful of argentinian pilots were experienced in flying > these "hot" machines in WW1 flying for the italians or the french. And I > guess that the ground crews weren't very used to these airframes too. > Anyway, there was more SVA5s on service than Balillas. Of course, the SVA-5s and 10s were amongst the best all-purposes aircraft of their times and I guess this is an important factor for any fledgling air force. > > > The history of foreing Balillas is not widely known and I would like to > add > > > more historical notes to the Ansaldo A-1 web site. > I'm working on that! > D. Thanks ! All the very best, Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:31:33 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: D-7 Message-ID: <001701c04934$666cb060$a5b58dd0@main> Hi Gang, Did the Fok D-7 have a plywood floor in the cockpit? I have several references & drwgs from an older WS, but cannot see the floor. Best regards & TIA, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:27:37 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Spinning beginning Message-ID: <001601c04934$65155dc0$a5b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Thomas" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Spinning beginning > > > Zulis@aol.com wrote: > > > Ok... ok.... we'll stay calm tonight. > > Why? We have a motion to go 'broke'. Lets vote on it? I say 'eye' for broke. > > > But.... two weeks from now when the Canadians go and vote.... we are going > > to go nuts, right? :-) > > Deal. Who's running? I'm in favor of whoever will keep the programs that keep > WWI Modeling List subscribers alive who would otherwise be dead if they lived > in the US. > :-) > E. > who, with a bitter taste in the mouth after casting my ballot, is now starting > the ground work for the Colin Powell/Jesse Ventura campaign in '04. > > Please accept my vote E, excellent combo! Dale ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2788 **********************