WWI Digest 2787 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Ansaldo Balilla by "dfernet0" 2) RE: The Holtzem Scheme by "Michael Kendix" 3) Re: RE: Ansaldo Balilla by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 4) Web site updated by "Matt Bittner" 5) Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 by JVT7532@aol.com 6) Re: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 by "Matt Bittner" 7) RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 by "dfernet0" 8) RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 by "Matt Bittner" 9) Re: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 by "Brian Nicklas" 10) Re: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 11) RE: Ansaldo Balilla by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 12) Re: Spinning beginning by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 13) RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 14) Polish/Soviet aircraft (was Re: Ansaldo Balilla) by "Bob Pearson" 15) Pollinger (was Re: The Holtzem Scheme) by "Bob Pearson" 16) Re: Spinning beginning by KarrArt@aol.com 17) Re: Ansaldo Balilla by "David C. Fletcher" 18) RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 by "Matt Bittner" 19) Model construction method by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 20) Re: Model construction method by "Matt Bittner" 21) RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 22) Re: Spinning beginning by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 23) Spad VII by Myles Miller 24) Re: Spad VII by Peter Leonard 25) Re: Spad VII by "Michael Kendix" 26) Re: Farman kits by "Len Smith" 27) Re: Civilisation. by "Len Smith" 28) Re: Spinning beginning by "DAVID BURKE" 29) Re: Spad VII by "DAVID BURKE" 30) Re: a help from the friends by "Francisca e Pedro Soares" 31) Re: Spinning beginning by "Dale Sebring" 32) Model T by "David C. Fletcher" 33) Re: Model T by "Brian Nicklas" 34) Victory ! by "Mårten Tyllström" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:35:41 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Ansaldo Balilla Message-ID: <001d01c048d0$63522860$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Tomasz wrote: > Who knows true after 80 years... Officialy the accidents were recognized as > results of poor manufacturing by Plage i Laskiewicz Co. The Balilla must have been a difficult plane to handle. There were several mishaps with argie Balillas as well, and those were italian built machines. Of course, just a handful of argentinian pilots were experienced in flying these "hot" machines in WW1 flying for the italians or the french. And I guess that the ground crews weren't very used to these airframes too. Anyway, there was more SVA5s on service than Balillas. > > The history of Polish Balillas is not widely known and I would like to add > > more historical notes to the Ansaldo A-1 web site. > > I'll try to find something for you. I'm working on that! D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:48:35 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: The Holtzem Scheme Message-ID: Volker writes: > >May I add ONE MORE discrepancy? A rather old opinion of mine is that >Holtzems machine was NOT sibergrau overall, but had camouflaged >wings. ... > >Personally, I think Holtzems a/c actually had printed fabric >(lozenge) >wings, Absolutely, this is possible or even probable. Once again, I painted mine all-silbergrau because it looks good and it was convenient for me to go according to a source showing a simpler design. Now you are making me think I should buy the Roden kit and try to do it correctly:). I probably will not get it since I have more than enough kits to build for three lifetimes, and I already have both MAC versions. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:58:31 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Ansaldo Balilla Message-ID: What aeroplanes did the Poles use against the Commies in 1921? And did the Reds deploy any air force? ~Steve diGiacomo In a message dated 11/7/2000 10:57:27 AM, gronczewski@interia.pl writes: << The main complain was technological quality of Polish Ansaldos. They were being manufactured by Plage Laskiewicz company which had no serious experience with aircraft manufacturing. Note that there was no Polish company which had manufatured any aircraft before the end of the Great War. Anyway Polish Ansaldos suffered a series of accidents and crashes, and caused death or injuries of many pilots. This was main reason why they were hated by Poles. It took about ten years in Poland to develop aviation industry able to release advanced up-to date aircraft (eg. Pulaski fighters). Tomasz >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:16:23 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Web site updated Message-ID: <200011071616.IAA00980@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> I just uploaded new images from Bob Laskodi and his Udet D.VII. Excellent job as usual, Bob!! Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:31:48 EST From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <96.bdd7341.27398874@aol.com> Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 Has anyone built one of these? I have been offered one and was wondering if this is one of their lumps of plastic in a box or one of their good pieces that they put out? I would like to hear from anyone who has this kit or has built one. Thanks for all your help, this list is the best place for us novice WWl builders. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:37:02 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <200011071637.IAA17124@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:35:33 -0500 (EST), JVT7532@aol.com wrote: > Meikraft Models 1/72 > Caproni Ca.3 > Has anyone built one of these? I have been offered one and was wondering if > this is one of their lumps of plastic in a box or one of their good pieces > that they put out? I would like to hear from anyone who has this kit or has > built one. Thanks for all your help, this list is the best place for us > novice WWl builders. Egads!! What a model! It's possible it can be built - an ex-list member has built one and it's on the site, although I don't remember who it was (Stef has me thinking even more about breaking models out according to types...). There are a lot of parts, and nothing too horrid. A lot of p/e especially for the gunners stations. If it's for a reasonable cost, I say buy it. If not, pick it up for a list member. I've been thinking of trying to track another down to build one in French markings (!). Matt Bittner "This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:41:07 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <005701c048d9$86ea9ec0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner > Egads!! What a model! It's possible it can be built - an ex-list > member has built one and it's on the site, although I don't remember > who it was (Stef has me thinking even more about breaking models out > according to types...). LOOK ON THE SITE! http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Poloni/index.html he hehehe heee D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:51:17 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <200011071650.IAA11160@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:46:40 -0500 (EST), dfernet0 wrote: > LOOK ON THE SITE! > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Poloni/index.html > > he hehehe heee Touche! :-P``` Matt Bittner "This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:55:23 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: I agree with Matt - pick it up, and if it is too much for you one of the "troublemakers" on the list will probably be willing to give it a go. I recall that it wasn't too bad a kit for the time - maybe I (or someone else) can find a Windsock Magazine review of the kit. I've got a Meikraft W.29 floatplane that is pretty nice, but the Meikraft Staggerwing is going to take some bit of work (although it is better than the Rareplanes Staggerwing). Brian Nicklas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:50:47 -0600 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: I'd suggest picking it up. It is a buildable kit. If your skills aren't up to it today they soon will be. At that point you'll be kicking yourself for not purchasing it when you had the chance. Later! Brent (who once had a $12 Contrail Staaken in his hands and didn't buy it. D'oh!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:55:24 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: Ansaldo Balilla Message-ID: Steve, > What aeroplanes did the Poles use against the Commies in 1921? What didn't ;o) Poland used a few hundreds of planes including: Major types of scouts: - Albatros D.III - Albatros D.V/Va - Albatros D.III (Oeffag) - Ansaldo A.1 - Fokker D.VII - Fokker D.VIII - various Nieuports (17, 17bis, 24, 24 bis) - Sopwith Dolphin - Spad VII - Spad XIII Less numerous types of scouts: - Albatros D.II - Martinsyde Buzzard - Pfalz D.XII - SE5a - Sopwith Camel Major types of attack/reece aircraft: - AEG C.IV - Albatros C.I, C.III, C.VII, C.X, C.XII, C.XV, J.I - Ansaldo A-300, SVA.5, SVA.9, SVA.10 - Brandenburg C.I - Breguet XIV - Bristol F.2B - DFW C.V - DH.9 - Farman F-30 - Halberstadt CL.II, C.V - Hannover CL.II, CL.V - Lloyd C.IV, C.V - LVG C.V, C.VI - Oeffag C.II - Rumpler C.I, C.IV, C.VII, C.VIII - Salmson II Plus a plenty of less numerous types of attack/recon a/c like AGO J.I, Avro 504, Morane MS.3, Sablatnik C.I, Voisin and many many more A few bombers: - Friedrichshafen G.III - Gotha G.III/G.IV - Handley Page HP-0/400 A lot of various training aircraft > And did the > Reds deploy any air force? Yes, they deployed several Aviaotriads equipped with similar pelthora of aeroplanes. Their main scouts were ex IRAS Nieuport 17/24s and Spad VIIs but some British and German aircraft could be spotted as well. But generally in 1920 Red Aviation was less numerous and weaker than Polish aviation. There were several air-to-air encounters with some victories scored by both sides, but generally the war was completely different than the war over entrenched Western Front. The war was full of rapid maneuvers, with aviation used mainly to provide ground support for assaulting troops. The front was much wider than that in Flanders and air battles were rare. Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:01:29 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spinning beginning Message-ID: <47.321e77f.27398f69@aol.com> In a message dated 11/7/00 5:20:06 AM EST, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << The St. Pinkosburg Times has already started spinning by saying how the weather could hurt Gore in key states. In otherwords the rain and the >> I think today is a good day to keep politics, money and religion off the list. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:59:34 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: How readily available is this kit?? hard to come by, easily ordered or must I dare the slings and arrows of Ebay's outrageous fortunes?? Looks like a nice addition to my growing collection of WWI bombers. Any suggestions on a good source? MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 09:49:43 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Polish/Soviet aircraft (was Re: Ansaldo Balilla) Message-ID: <200011071803.KAA15108@mail.rapidnet.net> Easy answer is what aircraft DIDN'T they use. Two excellent books on this area are: Samoloty Wolskowe W Polsce 1918-1924 (Polish Aircraft) and a Russian titile I can't reproduce that translates to Aviation in the Civil War in Russia. The former is in Polish, the latter in Russian. The former has 300+ photos of Polish aircraft between 1918-1924 as well as tables giving the history of each aircraft where known. Although written in Polish it is an excellent resource. The latter has numerous photos of Russian aircraft (and they use EVERYTHING) plus 50 excellent colour profiles thatbI wish I had done. I was lent this book so have no idea where it can be purchased. Bob ---------- >From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com > What aeroplanes did the Poles use against the Commies in 1921? And did the > Reds deploy any air force? > ~Steve diGiacomo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 09:42:39 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Pollinger (was Re: The Holtzem Scheme) Message-ID: <200011071807.KAA15217@mail.rapidnet.net> > Then compare it to the effect of > lozenge wings (like Pollinger´s Jasta 77b 8284/17, some of the Jasta 30 > aircraft etc. BTW, some of the lozenge wings actually look rather light in > color, with1284/18 (p 20 of the Datafile) a good example. Drat. ..... I did the watercolour of Pollinger's aircraft with lozenge wings but forgot to add the lozenge to the computer profile of it. .. ah well. . at least it wasn't used for the Pfalz book (which would be why GVW never pointed out my boo-boo when he vetted the profiles) and it is only the first 91 CDs with it wrong. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:53:44 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spinning beginning Message-ID: <7a.c453cce.27399ba8@aol.com> In a message dated 11/7/00 9:04:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, TomTheAeronut@aol.com writes: << I think today is a good day to keep politics, money and religion off the list. Tom Cleaver >> Ah yes! No matter who's voting for for who or what today in the US elections, may this List be an oasis and refuge of calm sanity! RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:43:46 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ansaldo Balilla Message-ID: <3A084D62.968AFB29@mars.ark.com> Stephendigiacomo@aol.com wrote: "What aeroplanes did the Poles use against the Commies in 1921?" And did the > Reds deploy any air force? Tomasz answered this one rather comprehensively! However a worthwhile book on the subject, particularly the Kosciuscko Squadron's activities, is "Flight of Eagles", by Robert F. Karolevitz and Ross S. Fenn, ISBN 88498-022-7, Brevet Press, Sioux Falls SD, 1974. Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:43:44 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <200011071843.KAA20977@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:26:53 -0500 (EST), Mark Vaughan-Jackson wrote: > How readily available is this kit?? > hard to come by, easily ordered or must I dare the slings and arrows of > Ebay's outrageous fortunes?? > > Looks like a nice addition to my growing collection of WWI bombers. > > Any suggestions on a good source? Very rare. I'm not sure how many Meikraft made, but it was probably less than 500. The last one on ebay went for around $200, right folks? Matt Bittner "This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:52:23 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Model construction method Message-ID: Being only a new type model builder I've discovered - and I want you to tell me if I'm getting myself into trouble - that it is a good idea to paint fuselage halves before assembly and then attend to the seems after joining. In building Eduard's Dr. I, for instance, it seems that I would have been better off spraying the light blue base coat and green streaks on the gun mount first. As it is (or was) when I came to that stage of placing the middle wing I decided to just go ahead and finish the construction, paint the aero, and then tend to placing the guns. I can't imagine how I would manage to paint around the guns in situ. (Especially if they're photo etch. Any input is appreciated. ~Steve diGiacomo Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 13:03:41 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Model construction method Message-ID: <200011071903.LAA15105@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:57:50 -0500 (EST), Stephendigiacomo@aol.com wrote: > Being only a new type model builder I've discovered - and I want you to tell > me if I'm getting myself into trouble - that it is a good idea to paint > fuselage halves before assembly and then attend to the seems after joining. > In building Eduard's Dr. I, for instance, it seems that I would have been > better off spraying the light blue base coat and green streaks on the gun > mount first. As it is (or was) when I came to that stage of placing the > middle wing I decided to just go ahead and finish the construction, paint the > aero, and then tend to placing the guns. I can't imagine how I would manage > to paint around the guns in situ. (Especially if they're photo etch. > Any input is appreciated. Personally, I put on the guns as one of the *last* steps. That way it isn't a problem. FWIW I just started on two Dr.I's - the Roden and the Eduard. The PART set for it/them is very nice!! Matt Bittner "This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:45:35 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Meikraft Models 1/72 Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: (SNIP) > >The last one on ebay went for around $200, right folks? > Whap. . .sound of my jaw hitting the floor. Hmm, maybe my colletion of WWI bombers is doing fine without it. ;-) Guess I'll just have to hope soneone else scratchs it to ensure some nice company produces a brand spanking new injection version of it. . .in the correct scale of course. MVJ Who despite being a baloon scaler is thoroughly enjoying fondling the plastic of a 72nd scale Fokker DR1 profi pack that just arrived. Teeny but yummy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:44:39 -0600 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spinning beginning Message-ID: Howdy! >may this List be an oasis and refuge of calm sanity! What, and ruin it? I like it broke. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:56:26 -0800 From: Myles Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Spad VII Message-ID: <4.1.20001107123720.009fa220@mail> Hello, I'm interested in building a Spad VII, but the 1/48 scale offerings looks pretty thin. I've found that the JGMT resin kit is available for $60.00 ++, but this is a little steep. Are any of the OOP Blue Max kits available anywhere? Thanks, Myles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:04:05 +0000 From: Peter Leonard To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spad VII Message-ID: <3A086E45.F38CB237@cwcom.net> Last I heared Blue Max still had a few in stock at http://www.pegasusmodels.co.uk cheers Peter L Myles Miller wrote: > Hello, > > I'm interested in building a Spad VII, but the 1/48 scale offerings looks > pretty thin. I've found that the JGMT resin kit is available for $60.00 ++, > but this is a little steep. Are any of the OOP Blue Max kits available > anywhere? > > Thanks, > Myles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:13:04 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spad VII Message-ID: They say they're sold out. >From: Peter Leonard >Last I heared Blue Max still had a few in stock at >http://www.pegasusmodels.co.uk > >cheers > >Peter L > >Myles Miller wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'm interested in building a Spad VII, but the 1/48 scale offerings >looks > > pretty thin. I've found that the JGMT resin kit is available for $60.00 >++, > > but this is a little steep. Are any of the OOP Blue Max kits available > > anywhere? > > > > Thanks, > > Myles > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:48:18 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Farman kits Message-ID: <000201c04906$799f7a60$89847ed4@mesh> From: "Todd Hayes" >Maybe they were Czech Master's Kits. They've released >some unusual ones in the past. No way ! Even the earliest CzechMasters were new moulds, they may possibly have been modelled on earlier vacs but were much crisper than straight copies. Also they were moulded in a tough, horrible dark green resin which once seen, never forgotten. The original kits came with no decals, no P.E., but if you were lucky you got an exploded view showing approximately where most of the parts went. If you weren't lucky you just got the plastic bag containing the parts. Usually, but not always, this had the name of the A/c marked on. All in all some of the finest kits around at the time, but I wouldn't call the DH5 and 9, the Be2 series, the Bristol M1c, the Sopwith Dolphin Snipe and Strutter unusual. Of course SOME people might class the Armstrong Whitworth FK10 Quadraplane slightly out of the ordinary. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:20:28 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Civilisation. Message-ID: <000401c04906$7b53e120$89847ed4@mesh> Greetings, Has anyone noticed how civilised the List has become recently? DB has got the FMP French book. Brian Nicklas has bought a Farman 11, and Michael Kendix is thinking about one. sp has a Farman 30 on his mind. Jean-Baptiste is considering a Voisin and last I heard Diego was waiting for his. Matthieu le Bittner as always is pleading for a Breguet 5. I have a Nieuport Triplane on the go. Marvellous ! Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:00:04 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Spinning beginning Message-ID: <002201c04906$77665340$c7e779a5@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Spinning beginning > > Howdy! > > >may this List be an oasis and refuge of calm sanity! > > What, and ruin it? I like it broke. > Hear Hear! I vote 'Broke'! DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:02:46 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Spad VII Message-ID: <002301c04906$784827c0$c7e779a5@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myles Miller" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 2:54 PM Subject: Spad VII > Hello, > > I'm interested in building a Spad VII, but the 1/48 scale offerings looks > pretty thin. I've found that the JGMT resin kit is available for $60.00 ++, > but this is a little steep. Are any of the OOP Blue Max kits available > anywhere? > > Thanks, > Myles > Myles, I dunno, but I spent a good chunk on a JMGT kit and I'm satisfied! Pricey, but the only game in town at the moment. Damned manufacturers! We go nuts trying to find such important A/C types such as Fokker D.VII's and SPAD VII's and Camels (yeah, I know, Eduard is bringing one out). Sheesh! DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 23:49:56 -0000 From: "Francisca e Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: a help from the friends Message-ID: <000801c04907$6fd06160$49df41c2@pc1> ----- Original Message ----- From: dfernet0 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:57 AM Subject: a help from the friends .. > Someday i'll take pictures of it.... If I'm drunk enough. The model isn't as > anal as my models are starting to be, but it was a nice practice session for > the upcoming stage of my Albatros. > Thanks again for your help > D. What do you mean someday??????????? Go get your camera fast! That's an order!!!! Um abraço Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:06:10 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Spinning beginning Message-ID: <000701c04906$f0de3620$8bb58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Spinning beginning > > Howdy! > > >may this List be an oasis and refuge of calm sanity! > > What, and ruin it? I like it broke. > > Later! > > Brent > Oh Yea! Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:25:33 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Model T Message-ID: <3A08815D.1E96CC0A@mars.ark.com> Twice in the last while there has been discussion of Model T use in WWI and, ahem, later. For those interested in a 1916 Model T Draisine - a weird machine if ever there was one! - go to Resicast is as multi-national as this list - it was founded by a Scot who was born in Paris and lives in Belgium. The usual disclaimers apply, but if you are interested, tell Graham I sent you - we used to belong to the same model club in Mons. Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:28:52 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model T Message-ID: Ohh! That would look GREAT with an A7V stuck in trench nearby!... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:40:09 +0100 From: "Mårten Tyllström" To: Subject: Victory ! Message-ID: <003b01c0490b$b3961800$d3c543c3@default> Finaly my web page works as it was intended ! A BIG thank you to all who have been helpful with thoughts, comforting word and guidance in my first outing in sajbörspejjs. Hey, sp. Am I entiteled to join the "ring" now or is it too much 10 o thingies present :-) ? Could someone explaine that impression to me BTW. Mårten ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2787 **********************