WWI Digest 2777 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Czech Master Oberursel? by Todd Hayes 2) RE: Color for floor and interior of Pfalz D XII by Todd Hayes 3) RE: Pfalz D XII by Shane Weier 4) RE: f40 pics by Shane Weier 5) Re: LeRhone Rotaries by "Stefen Karver" 6) Aha! and PE oops. RE: Color for floor and interior of Pfalz D XII by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 7) Is the food good? was Re: British drinking song by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 8) That Bob cd. Mac OS? Yes? by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 9) Re: Pfalz D XII by MAnde72343@aol.com 10) Re: A sticky wicket by MAnde72343@aol.com 11) Re: That Bob cd. Mac OS? Yes? by "Bob Pearson" 12) Pfalz DXII Interior Color by MAnde72343@aol.com 13) Re: f40 pics by smperry@mindspring.com 14) RE: Pfalz D XII - Dural Aluminum etc by "Ray Boorman" 15) RE: Czech Master Oberursel? by "Ray Boorman" 16) RE: LoneStar 1:48 DH-5 by "Ray Boorman" 17) Re: f40 pics by Ernest Thomas 18) Re: crosses and cockades by smperry@mindspring.com 19) Forgot to change address by smperry@mindspring.com 20) Re: crosses and cockades by mdf 21) Re: LeRhone Rotaries by mdf 22) Re: LeRhone Rotaries by mdf 23) Roundels, bullseyes and bullets. by Stephendigiacomo@aol.com 24) RE: f40 pics by David Solosy 25) j-b.verlhac by David Solosy 26) Re: Pfalz D XII by Jean-Baptiste VERLHAC 27) Re: Welcome to you M. Verlhac: /was Re: by Jean-Baptiste VERLHAC 28) RE: Czech Master Oberursel? by Todd Hayes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:04:46 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Czech Master Oberursel? Message-ID: <20001102220446.10068.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Graham, I have both of the "Oberursel" kits. They're both exactly the same except that one is called a "Fokker Rotary Engine Set." It includes a cowl and firewall for a D.VI/Dr.I/D.VIII, and a p.e. securing strap for the cowl. The engines, themselves, are the same. Todd --- Graham Hunter wrote: > < but an > excellent clerget. That's what I'm using them for. > Todd>> > > The Eduard Sopwith Triplane (in Russian markings) > comes with this engine. > It is very nice indeed, and definitely not an > Oberursel! > > I got two of these from a friend and used one of > them (cut down cylinders) > to scratch build a 110hp Le Rhone for my Bristol > M1c. > > Czech Master does make an Oberursel though, don't > they? Or at least that's > what their package says?? > > Graham > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:09:59 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Color for floor and interior of Pfalz D XII Message-ID: <20001102220959.11750.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> How would I go about getting the CD? TH --- Shane Weier wrote: > Steve asks > > > The instructions aren't overly generous as far as > paint > > scheme goes. What > > are the references you real modelers use. > > I stuck my head and camera inside the cockpit of > D.2600/18 and while taking > about 60 detail photos of her. Not everyone has such > access but we *all* > have accesss to this list where you will often find > someone who does have > access, or books, or well founded opinions and where > you will *always* find > someone willing to help. > > > I keep seeing Bob mentioning his cd. What's the > scoop? > > I don't have one :-( but in essence bob has > collected many of his giant > collection of aircraft profiles together with some > indication of the > provenance of the schemes on one very tasty CD. No > cockpit photos though > AFAIK > > > As far as the engine, I guess I'll use chrome > silver for the > > bottom part and > > gunmetal for the top and then drybrush (or glob?) > grimy black > > all over > > including the inside of the cowling. > > You might. The block appears to be made of > aluminium, the cylinders are > painted black. Don't make it too dirty, the erks > spent many hours trying to > keep these engines performing at the best. > > > Shane > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is > confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:13:02 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Pfalz D XII Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C2E@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> DB says: > Yes, and IIRC from my latest trip, 'bauxite' comes from a > French town, Les > Baux in the hills of the south, where you can see huge heaps of white > deposits. I don't doubt this at all, because Alumina (stage 1 in the refining process) is definitely white, but in my career in the mining industry I have seen many millions of tonnes of bauxite - all of it red-brown in colour. Ours must have a high iron content or something. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:14:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: f40 pics Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C2F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Peter, The model is terrific, but why the likeness of DB after a drinking binge on the nose ? ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:19:16 -0500 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: Re: LeRhone Rotaries Message-ID: <009b01c04534$181acf40$116dd6d8@stephen> "Graham Hunter" added: | << Lee has otherwise to explain the | reason for the 2 valves and the purpose of a T-shaped rocker arm which | controls them.>> | Lee and I discussed this off list and my statement that the Le Rhone uses | a push/pull system with its one rod two valve set-up was right. Well of course this is right, since the valves are returned to a closed position by springs (as on the Mercedes), and require a positive force to unseat them. The Le Rhone was an elegant piece of engineerig. The springs are not mounted on the FAA Museum example as far as I can tell. Thanks & regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:38:44 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Aha! and PE oops. RE: Color for floor and interior of Pfalz D XII Message-ID: <71.8118b1f.27336314@aol.com> Thanks much Shane. And hey, I found out what I could do to PE without tweezers on a 1/72 Dr. I. Kinda looks like a gorilla held it for awhile. (Found my tweezers this morning. Oh well. [Um, we just moved two months ago and much is still, um, dislocated. Bummer.) Maybe I should stick with the old kits until I get on the runway. ~Steve diGiacomo Windsor Locks, CT In a message dated 11/2/2000 9:54:09 PM, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << I don't have one :-( but in essence bob has collected many of his giant collection of aircraft profiles together with some indication of the provenance of the schemes on one very tasty CD. No cockpit photos though AFAIK > As far as the engine, I guess I'll use chrome silver for the > bottom part and > gunmetal for the top and then drybrush (or glob?) grimy black > all over > including the inside of the cowling. You might. The block appears to be made of aluminium, the cylinders are painted black. Don't make it too dirty, the erks spent many hours trying to keep these engines performing at the best. Shane >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:45:25 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Is the food good? was Re: British drinking song Message-ID: Boys really. By the way, I'm wondering if I could bother this list with a lark? I wonder if we were together at an aerodrome, what would a typical (or not) day be like in any given season '14 through '18. Most importantly what does the mess hall serve for chow. Will I eat well? When can I go off for the local attractions? On Sundays? What if it's nasty weather? Don't mean to bother a busy list. Maybe back channel for those who would like to educate me. Cheers, ~Steve diGiacomo (de-jòk-uh-moe) Windsor Locks, Ct. In a message dated 11/2/2000 3:53:27 PM, alleluja@ida.net writes: << Hello all, Has anyone heard this piece before? Beneath a busted Camel, its former pilot lay: His throat was cut by the bracing wires, the tank had hit his head, And coughing a shower of dental work, these parting words he said: "Oh, I'm going to a better land, they binge there every night, The cocktails grow on bushes, so everyone stays tight, They've torn up all the calendars, they've busted all the clocks, And little drops of whisky come trickling down the rocks." The pilot breathed these last few gasps before he passed away; "I'll tell you how it happened, my flippers didn't stay, The motor wouldn't hit at all, the struts were far to few, A shot went through the petrol tank and let it all leak through. Oh, I'm going to a better land, where motors always run, Where the eggnog grows on the eggplant, and the pilots grow a bun. They've got no Sops, they've got no Spads, they've got no DH-4's, And the little frosted juleps are served at all the stores." A little insight to the thoughts of these men facing the war. Best regards, Dale S. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:51:24 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: That Bob cd. Mac OS? Yes? Message-ID: <27.d00530e.2733660c@aol.com> Is this cd Mac compatible? If not, Bob, can you do that tonight? Gee, thanks. Steve diGiacomo In a message dated 11/3/2000 12:00:25 AM, thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: << How would I go about getting the CD? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:56:33 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz D XII Message-ID: <33.c411d87.27336741@aol.com> --part1_33.c411d87.27336741_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zepps were made of 'duraluminum' alloy (at least the frames, and much of the sheet metal on OT aircraft was aluminum, the aluminum smelting problem was beaten in the 1890s IIRC, and aluminum was widely used in OT aircraft. Merrill --part1_33.c411d87.27336741_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zepps were made of 'duraluminum' alloy (at least the frames, and much of the
sheet metal on OT aircraft was aluminum, the aluminum smelting problem was
beaten in the 1890s IIRC, and aluminum was widely used in OT aircraft.
Merrill

--part1_33.c411d87.27336741_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:58:01 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A sticky wicket Message-ID: --part1_f6.4360009.27336799_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cheers for you TC, I thought I aws the only 'muddler' on the list. Merrill --part1_f6.4360009.27336799_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cheers for you TC, I thought I aws the only 'muddler' on the list.
Merrill

--part1_f6.4360009.27336799_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:06:51 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: That Bob cd. Mac OS? Yes? Message-ID: <200011030120.RAA22754@mail.rapidnet.net> It better be Mac compatible .. that is what it is done on. ... it works on Mac and those evil empire thingies. . it is done as HTML so you just need a browser to view it. Cost is $40 US, $60 Cdn or £25 GBP sent to me. .. best to send me an email .. that way I know it is coming Bob Pearson 1332 Summit Ave Prince Rupert, BC V8J 3W7 Canada I added a pile of German two-seaters and my Whippets (not aircraft, but cool nonetheless) to it recently and am also updating the Polish section. Regards, Bob Guess its time to run off some more. . the first 90 are gone already !!!!!!!!!!!! ---------- >From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: That Bob cd. Mac OS? Yes? >Date: Thu, Nov 2, 2000, 4:58 pm > > Is this cd Mac compatible? If not, Bob, can you do that tonight? Gee, > thanks. > Steve diGiacomo > > In a message dated 11/3/2000 12:00:25 AM, thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: > > << How would I go about getting the CD? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:21:51 EST From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Pfalz DXII Interior Color Message-ID: <96.bae810b.27336d2f@aol.com> --part1_96.bae810b.27336d2f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone notice they didn't answer the original question? Gray, either light to medium gray or possibly 'silbergrau'. Merrill --part1_96.bae810b.27336d2f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone notice they didn't answer the original question? Gray, either
light to medium gray or possibly 'silbergrau'.
Merrill

--part1_96.bae810b.27336d2f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:53:08 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: f40 pics Message-ID: <007c01c04541$32c78060$48f0aec7@default> > It's taking me a little longer to get my F40 page up than I hoped but > here's one pic I have managed to upload. > > http://www.escadrille.mcmail.com/1.JPG Great model Peter! The skull turned out real well. More photos please :-) That refrence Peter mentioned came from the Aerodrome Modeler CD, See how all that work is paying off Bob? sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:10:05 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz D XII - Dural Aluminum etc Message-ID: A lot of the development work in Duralumin fastening and shaping was done during the designs of both the Junkers J1 and Junkers D1 (both were largely built from Dural). Not the same planes by the way the J1 was a very successful ground attack aircraft whilst the D1 was a single seat fighter that came just a bit to late for wwi. Whilst Dural was also used in Airship construction Junkers had to do a lot of development work around successful shaping and fastening of Dural in Aircraft construction. Just one of the design solutions was to use steadily thinner Dural tubes spliced into thicker tubes to allow for reduced wing size at the tips. (This was later refined in a very famous ot fighter btw) For those like me who are challenged by the luminiums. Duralumin is an Aluminum alloy patented by Durener Metallwerke AG of Duren. (Sorry should be an umlaut or two in there) According to the J1 Datafile Aluminum alloy and Duralumin Alloy are synominous Regards, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:25:55 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Czech Master Oberursel? Message-ID: Todd wrote >Weren't the 130hp clerget and 150hp bently >basically the same engine? A source I've read, "The >Great War in the Air, 1914-1918", explains the bently >as a modified clerget, lighter because of ALUMINIUM >cyls. with interior steel lining. Originally Bentley suggested that the Cast iron cyclinders of the Clerget be replaced with Aluminum cyclinders with steel liners. The sub-contractor who he was working for declined. However the Admiralty took this idea up and Posted Bentley to the Humber works to construct a prototype. Whilst the resulting BR1 was similiar to a Clerget (It had a larger diameter btw). It was much more refined weighted less, developed more power and was much more reliable. - The Clerget btw had terrible cooling problems in fact a special Piston ring was used to isolate as much heat as possible, these often cracked and the cyclinders would distort. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:27:16 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: LoneStar 1:48 DH-5 Message-ID: Diego, Me too, it cracks me up every time I see a picture of this particular aircraft..... Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of dfernet0 Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 2:43 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: LoneStar 1:48 DH-5 Ray I can't help but thinking in a cartoon drawing with this idea! ROTFL D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Boorman To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 1:33 AM Subject: RE: LoneStar 1:48 DH-5 > There might have been some Canadian pilots but this seems to have been a > very popular AFC aircraft. > My favorite presentation Aircraft; "New South Wales No-14 Womens > BattlePlane" I can see it now a very ticked off Aussie Housewife in curlers > and scarf at the controls ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 21:41:42 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: f40 pics Message-ID: <3A0233F5.AB9716E8@bellsouth.net> Peter raises the bar with... > > It's taking me a little longer to get my F40 page up than I hoped but > > here's one pic I have managed to upload. WHACK! (sound of Peter being 'de-fingered') E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:48:25 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: crosses and cockades Message-ID: <00dc01c04548$ebe6b0a0$48f0aec7@default> She simply observed that in the air, > over the front, with bullets flying all around, only an idiot would come up > with the idea of using bulls-eyes for identification. The BvB says she totally agrees. As a kid I took it as the Allies sort of thumbing their noses at the Germans, like "Hit me if you can". sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:53:14 -0500 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Forgot to change address Message-ID: <00f101c04549$98766900$48f0aec7@default> OH crap. I sent an image and forgot to change an address. Sorry if this messes anything up. sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 23:04:27 -0500 From: mdf To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: crosses and cockades Message-ID: <3A02394B.5D3A50DA@mars.ark.com> I have a photocopy somewhere of a shot of a pre-war German Deperdussin with this roundel... Volker Häusler wrote: > > Diego, > > the origins of the Iron Cross have been settled (once and for all, I guess - > no danger of Y***ow versus O***e-brown discussions) in AE Ferkos > Fliegertruppe No 2 ("Whence came the Iron Cross?") Interestingly enough, one > of the alternative markings studied in the beginning was a Black-White-Red > (Outside to Inside) COCKADE -now that would make some nice models. > Disgessing, the first kind of national marking was obviously a dark (near > definitely black) lenghtwise underwing stripe, used already in 1912. The > Iron Cross itself was THE traditional PRUSSIAN (not German - but maybe that > was nearly the same at these days) war order, being "re-invented" for each > consecutive war and therefore a rather obvious choice > > Volker > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > dfernet0 > Sent: Donnerstag, 2. November 2000 19:21 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: crosses and cockades > > Hi again > I've been wondering on the origin of the airplane markings as they were > adopted in pre war years. > French cockades are straighforward to figure it out (they have used that > since Revolution days) and british used little flags initially. But how > about german and austrian crosses? They were quite different at the > beggining and I don't know where they came from. Why not an imperial eagle? > That must have worked on both central empires, and IIRC german staff cars > had a yellow shield with the eagle inside. Why the russians, italians and > americans choose cockades too? just to be consistent with France and > England? > Does anyone know? > D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 23:18:54 -0500 From: mdf To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: LeRhone Rotaries Message-ID: <3A023CAE.56CA23E5@mars.ark.com> Gnome was bought by LeRhone becoming Gnome-LeRhone late in the war. Monosoupapes (ie engines without external intake pipes) were still Gnomes until the end of the war then the distinction seems to have disappeared. Mike Fletcher Graham Hunter wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > Of > Stefen Karver > > << Lee has otherwise to explain the > reason for the 2 valves and the purpose of a T-shaped rocker arm which > controls them.>> > Lee and I discussed this off list and my statement that the Le Rhone uses > a push/pull system with its one rod two valve set-up was right. My reasoning > comes from the cutaway drawing of the 110hp Le Rhone that was posted on the > web by a list member awhile back. The drawing clearly shows the rod - cam > connection is "clamped". I also have a photo of a museum Le Rhone with the > rear crankcase cover off to reveal the cam detail. I believe it is > mechanically impossible for one rod to operate two valves without pushing > and pulling. > > Lee sent me a picture of a 160 hp Gnome monosaupe engine that he said had > references as being Gnome/Rhone. Does any one know if Le Rhone manufactured > some Gnome engines? > > Regards, Graham H. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 23:21:20 -0500 From: mdf To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: LeRhone Rotaries Message-ID: <3A023D40.FA04316F@mars.ark.com> Gnome was bought by LeRhone becoming Gnome-LeRhone late in the war. Monosoupapes (ie engines without external intake pipes) were still Gnomes until the end of the war then the distinction seems to have disappeared. I haven't seen any indication that the intakes had filters, but they were far enough forward and far enough up the fuselage side to reduce oil and dirt ingestion to a minimum. Of course with TBO's of 20 hours, it probably didn't make much difference. Mike Fletcher Graham Hunter wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > Of > Stefen Karver > > << Lee has otherwise to explain the > reason for the 2 valves and the purpose of a T-shaped rocker arm which > controls them.>> > Lee and I discussed this off list and my statement that the Le Rhone uses > a push/pull system with its one rod two valve set-up was right. My reasoning > comes from the cutaway drawing of the 110hp Le Rhone that was posted on the > web by a list member awhile back. The drawing clearly shows the rod - cam > connection is "clamped". I also have a photo of a museum Le Rhone with the > rear crankcase cover off to reveal the cam detail. I believe it is > mechanically impossible for one rod to operate two valves without pushing > and pulling. > > Lee sent me a picture of a 160 hp Gnome monosaupe engine that he said had > references as being Gnome/Rhone. Does any one know if Le Rhone manufactured > some Gnome engines? > > Regards, Graham H. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:26:32 EST From: Stephendigiacomo@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Roundels, bullseyes and bullets. Message-ID: <21.2fde9a4.27339878@aol.com> >From the literature I've read - not a whole lot - distillation stuff - I get the impression that the armament on these aeros was woefully inaccurate if not jammed at the moment, and getting the correct angle of attack was even more problematical. Hence, I would say that the visibility of an aero hardly amounted to it's doom. I have no experience dogfighting in WWI, or any other war, but I would guess that the only best camouflage was the blinding sun and it was probably easier ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL to get away from an attacker than for him to get a good burst in and actually hit you. Cheers, Steve diGiacomo Windsor Locks, CT (860) 627-8518 In a message dated 11/3/2000 3:48:11 AM, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << The BvB says she totally agrees. As a kid I took it as the Allies sort of thumbing their noses at the Germans, like "Hit me if you can". sp >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:16:36 +0800 From: David Solosy To: "WW1 List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: f40 pics Message-ID: <56EBF0EF4A03D4118C6F00902776597F145C31@s26pss4.pssc.wa.gov.au> Inspiring effort Peter.   It's one I've always wanted to do (in 1/72, of course) but never had the guts to get started.   David S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:20:10 +0800 From: David Solosy To: "WW1 List (E-mail)" Subject: j-b.verlhac Message-ID: <56EBF0EF4A03D4118C6F00902776597F145C32@s26pss4.pssc.wa.gov.au> Welcome to the list j-b. I've been admiring photos of your models for quite a while now. You are a real stylist.   Regards from Oz   David S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:28:23 +0100 From: Jean-Baptiste VERLHAC To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz D XII Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20001103082823.007d42d0@pop.reaumur.u-bordeaux.fr> A nice place to leave indeed !!!! Jean-Baptiste A 13:09 02/11/00 -0500, vous avez écrit : > >> The other name for the mineral is Bauxite and it occurs more frequently in >the >> minerals of the earth than most any other material. >> >> Lee M. > >Yes, and IIRC from my latest trip, 'bauxite' comes from a French town, Les >Baux in the hills of the south, where you can see huge heaps of white >deposits. An hour or two from Aix-en-Provence (which will someday be my >other home). > > >DB > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:29:57 +0100 From: Jean-Baptiste VERLHAC To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Welcome to you M. Verlhac: /was Re: Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20001103082957.007e11d0@pop.reaumur.u-bordeaux.fr> As you can see on my e-mail adress, I leave in Bordeaux, a nice place for fine wine!!!! Cheers and Saint Julien!! Jean-Baptiste A 13:10 02/11/00 -0500, vous avez écrit : >> Jean-Baptiste: >> >> Fine work on your D.V and welcome to our discussion group. We have too >few >> non-British Europeans, especially Les Francais. We hope you will stay >with >> us for a while. >> >> Michael > > >Where do you live over there? > > DB > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:03:47 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Czech Master Oberursel? Message-ID: <20001103060347.86525.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Ray, It's really interesting, the results obtained by simply using different materials. Another source I have shows the bore/stroke as 120mm/172mm for the clerget, and 120mm/170mm for the bently. Todd --- Ray Boorman wrote: > Todd wrote > >Weren't the 130hp clerget and 150hp bently > >basically the same engine? A source I've read, > "The > >Great War in the Air, 1914-1918", explains the > bently > >as a modified clerget, lighter because of ALUMINIUM > >cyls. with interior steel lining. > > Originally Bentley suggested that the Cast iron > cyclinders of the Clerget be > replaced with Aluminum cyclinders with steel liners. > The sub-contractor who > he was working for declined. However the Admiralty > took this idea up and > Posted Bentley to the Humber works to construct a > prototype. Whilst the > resulting BR1 was similiar to a Clerget (It had a > larger diameter btw). It > was much more refined > weighted less, developed more power and was much > more reliable. - The > Clerget btw had terrible cooling problems in fact a > special Piston ring was > used to isolate as much heat as possible, these > often cracked and the > cyclinders would distort. > > Ray > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2777 **********************