WWI Digest 2773 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: CMYK reference by Todd Hayes 2) Re: Farewell, Mr. Allen by "Michael S. Alvarado" 3) RE: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz by Shane Weier 4) RE: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz by "Matt Bittner" 5) RE: Food for thought by Shane Weier 6) RE: One waaay beautiful Albatros! by Shane Weier 7) Re: Farewell, Mr. Allen by "DAVID BURKE" 8) RE: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz by Shane Weier 9) RE: One waaay beautiful Albatros! by "Matt Bittner" 10) RE: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz by "Matt Bittner" 11) Re: Farewell, Mr. Allen by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 12) RE: One waaay beautiful Albatros! by Shane Weier 13) RE: LoneStar 1:48 DH-5 by Shane Weier 14) RE: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz by "Michael Kendix" 15) RE: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz by Shane Weier 16) Re: Farewell, Mr. Allen by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz by David Fleming 18) Roden Pfalz No longer( Uh-Oh) by Shane Weier 19) Re: Kit reviews by "Otis Goodin" 20) Re: LeRhone Rotaries by "Stefen Karver" 21) RE: Kit reviews by Shane Weier 22) Re: Roden Pfalz No longer( Uh-Oh) by Zulis@aol.com 23) RE: Roden Pfalz No longer( Uh-Oh) by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:34:00 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CMYK reference Message-ID: <20001101193400.39060.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Bob, I'm not sure I understand completely. Is the Blue Rider references still available? Todd --- Bob Pearson wrote: > Todd, > > Marc is not refering to the Metheun. . what he means > is a book called > "Computer Colour: 10,000 computer generated process > colours" .. three years > ago I cross-referenced this to the 150 most common > WW1 Metheun references > and came up with CMYK matches for doing my WW1 > profiles. The results were > posted to the list and Richard of Blue Rider created > an Adobe Illustrator > style sheet from them. > > To get the matches I used my Mk.I* eyeball in bright > sun with both books > open in front of me. . I had two pieces of card with > small holes in them. .. > one was placed over the target metheun ref, the > other went over the choices > in the CMYK book until the closest match was > obtained .. however the CMYK > book worked in 10% increments of all four colours, > therefore the closest I > could get was +- 5% on each colour. > > Bob > > ---------- > >From: Todd Hayes > > > Marc, > > > > "Process Color Guide"? Where did you see it > > advertised? The Methuen Handbook of Colour has > been > > out of print for quite awhile. It's very, very > > difficult to find, and expensive, usually, when > you > > can locate a copy. I finally found a copy after > > searching for three years. It is accepted as THE > WW1 > > color reference. CSM, Blue Max, JMGT, etc,. all > list > > the required colors in Methuen code. I found mine > by > > advertising in "Scale Aviation Modeler > International". > > Try it. I had three offers in a week!! > > > > TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:21:36 -0500 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Farewell, Mr. Allen Message-ID: <3A007B50.D16562FF@bellatlantic.net> Steve Allan was first then Jack Paar, then Johnny Carson and now Leno. Alvie DAVID BURKE wrote: > > Excuse my ignorance, but Who is Steve Allen ?? > > >> > > TC > > > > American jazz musician, comedian, political satirist and commentator. > > Espcially known for the fact that, as the first host of "The Tonight Show" > he > > invented the entire late-nite format - > > No, I think you have him confused with Jack Paar. As far as musician, > et.al, you have him pegged. And he was a very funny man and was a paragon > of smart, fun humor with some corn thrown in. > > DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:25:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C0A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt says: > All of us on this list know that there is a difference in the lower > wing. We do. We also know that the lower wing, like auxiliary struts on Albatros D.V and D.Va are *not* definitive, because some late D.III had the same lower wing as the D.IIIa (or is it the other way around?) Whatever. Look before you leap folks. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:28:39 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz Message-ID: <200011012129.NAA09161@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:29:17 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > We do. We also know that the lower wing, like auxiliary struts on Albatros > D.V and D.Va are *not* definitive, because some late D.III had the same > lower wing as the D.IIIa (or is it the other way around?) True, but to blanketly assume that the D.IIIa's for the kit came with the "other" wing isn't correct either. > Whatever. Look before you leap folks. Agreed. Just wanted to give a head's up more than anything. I truly hope that NKR just overlooked the wing. Matt Bittner "This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:33:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Food for thought Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C0B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Cyg, > > Oh I am not sorry. I am waiting to see how well they do. > > I knew that - and I do hope they do well AND that you'll sell lots of your radiators as an upgrade Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:40:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: One waaay beautiful Albatros! Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C0C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Diego exclaims: > Parbleu! Mordious! > Check the metal plates behind the spinner, on the wooden fuselage, for > fixing the drag wires to the nose of the aircraft: these > aren't usually > shown on models because they're hidden under the front cowl. This guy > Verlhac is a master, he should be building in 1/72 to see his full > potential, ain't true, Matt? :-) He should. Far be it for me to be a wet blanket but.... While the model is very nice, most of the list members models seen in the site gallery are better, many are much better. Even the 1/72 ones. The model is deserving of praise, but lets keep it in perspective lest we frighten people off. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:41:36 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Farewell, Mr. Allen Message-ID: <003301c0444c$9be8c360$9ee979a5@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Farewell, Mr. Allen > In a message dated 11/1/00 1:11:16 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: > > << > No, I think you have him confused with Jack Paar. As far as musician, > et.al, you have him pegged. And he was a very funny man and was a paragon > of smart, fun humor with some corn thrown in. > >> > > Nope. Paar came after him and was his replacement on the Tonight Show. > Allen did the show 1950-53 and wanted to do other things so did not renew his > contract. The first show (this is in the Times today), he came out and said > to the audience: "Folks, the bad news is, this show is going to go on > forever." At the time he was referring to the 90 minute format, which was > very long in the days of live TV in 1950, but in hindsight it has a different > meaning. > > TC And again I learn the folly of disputing Mr.Cleaver in the area of showbiz. The world is a little less funny today... DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:47:50 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C0E@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt replies to me: > > We do. We also know that the lower wing, like auxiliary > > struts on Albatros > > D.V and D.Va are *not* definitive, because some late D.III > > had the same > > lower wing as the D.IIIa (or is it the other way around?) > > True, but to blanketly assume that the D.IIIa's for the kit came with > the "other" wing isn't correct either. Agreed as well. But that makes the *decals* incorrect, not the *kit* > Agreed. Just wanted to give a head's up more than anything. I truly > hope that NKR just overlooked the wing. ....which is what I understood you to be doing, but like SP, I'd like to prevent the sort of witch hunts which are allegedly worrying Eduard Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:50:24 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: One waaay beautiful Albatros! Message-ID: <200011012151.NAA23953@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:44:50 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > Even the 1/72 ones. Gee, thanks Shane. ;-) Matt Bittner "This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:51:24 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz Message-ID: <200011012152.NAA28037@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:51:33 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > Agreed as well. But that makes the *decals* incorrect, not the *kit* Ah, good point. > ...which is what I understood you to be doing, but like SP, I'd like to > prevent the sort of witch hunts which are allegedly worrying Eduard Another good point. Matt Bittner "This isn't Nebraska, it's a half-way home for Hee-Haw rejects." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:56:02 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Farewell, Mr. Allen Message-ID: <34.c58221b.2731eb72@aol.com> In a message dated 11/1/00 4:44:37 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << The world is a little less funny today... >> Not as long as DB - our own little 5-ring circus - is careening through it. :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:05:11 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: One waaay beautiful Albatros! Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C0F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt > > Even the 1/72 ones. > > Gee, thanks Shane. ;-) I wasn't talking about yours mate ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:26:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: LoneStar 1:48 DH-5 Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C11@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Bob L asks: > Also, does any one have any information (such as profiles) on > Canadian flown DH-5's. *Canada* had DH-5's ? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:43:45 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz Message-ID: >From: "Matt Bittner" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:56:19 -0500 (EST) > >On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:51:33 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > > > Agreed as well. But that makes the *decals* incorrect, not the *kit* > >Ah, good point. > Sorry folks, I've sort of lost the thread here. Please can you explain a bit about the decals, kit etc. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:59:42 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C13@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael, > > > Agreed as well. But that makes the *decals* incorrect, > not the *kit* > > > >Ah, good point. > > > > Sorry folks, I've sort of lost the thread here. Please can > you explain a bit about the decals, kit etc. Yup. The change in lower wings did NOT come with the change from D.III to D.IIIa but afterwards. That means that the model can be a perfectly accurate D.IIIa even with the same wings as a D.III OTOH if the decals are for a later production D.IIIa with the new wings, and the kit is an early production Pfalz with the old wings, the decals would be *wrong* for the kit. AFAIK we don't know what decal options are provided, so at this stage we don't know whether Roden is right or wrong, and speculation isn't helpfull at all. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:02:49 -0600 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Farewell, Mr. Allen Message-ID: <001601c0445e$60c7df20$6290aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Farewell, Mr. Allen > In a message dated 11/1/00 4:44:37 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: > > << The world is a little less funny today... > >> > > Not as long as DB - our own little 5-ring circus - is careening through it. > :-) > > Tom Cleaver More like a Carnival Freak Show. DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 00:00:36 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Uh-Oh Roden Pfalz Message-ID: <3A00AEA3.34BD28EB@dial.pipex.com> Shane Weier wrote: > > > Yup. The change in lower wings did NOT come with the change from D.III to > D.IIIa but afterwards. That means that the model can be a perfectly accurate > D.IIIa even with the same wings as a D.III > Now I've got to look at the wings, rather than blindly assuming......... The world was a better place when I didn't care (at about the age of 7 !!) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:06:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Roden Pfalz No longer( Uh-Oh) Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C18@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Dave F comments: > > > > Yup. The change in lower wings did NOT come with the change > from D.III to > > D.IIIa but afterwards. That means that the model can be a > perfectly accurate > > D.IIIa even with the same wings as a D.III > > > > Now I've got to look at the wings, rather than blindly > assuming......... The > world was a better place when I didn't care (at about the age of 7 !!) > And of course, you don't *have* to care at all, even now, if that's what gives you enjoyment. Wings (or engine panels, or lozenge colours or etc.) only need to bother you if that's what makes it fun for you - or if you intend to compete against others on the basis of some system requiring *accuracy* Have Fun! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:25:35 -0600 From: "Otis Goodin" To: Subject: Re: Kit reviews Message-ID: <001e01c04463$6b61da80$f0720141@wllmsn1.tn.home.com> And don't forget the influence of Alexander Haig!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:42 AM Subject: Re: Kit reviews > In a message dated 11/1/00 0:22:57 AM EST, Sturzkampf@aol.com writes: > > << n a message dated 10/31/0 10:58:26 AM, smperry@mindspring.com writes: > > << Accurization >> > > I can not find this word in dictionary! > > Helmut > >> > > It's what's called an "Americanism," Helmut. Unlike in German, where a new > word gets made up by stringing together a bunch of old ones (like the full > word of your e-mail handle - which would be "Sturzkampfflugzeug" and > translate as "dive bomber" in English) in English - both the English, > American and Australian variety of English - a word can be "made up" from an > older word (here, "accurate", an adjective) and sometimes the word gets used > often enough it will creep into the language (I really hope "accurization" > doesn't, personally, but you never know) and the language expands. It's the > great secret of how the world's most difficult language for those who didn't > grow up speaking it to ever make sense of has become the world's lingua > franca - unlike the rest, it's elastic. > > (This lecture on word usage brought to you by an underemployed writer with > too much time on his hands. :-)) > > Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:37:17 -0500 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: Re: LeRhone Rotaries Message-ID: <006d01c0446d$713078e0$6b6dd6d8@stephen> Without claiming engineering expertise, I believe Graham is correct with respect to the 80 and 110 hp Le Rhones. They are 4-stroke, which accounts, in part, for their increased power over the earlier single-valve engines. The cylinders fire once for every two revolutions of the engine. Photos of the engine at rest clearly show a neutral position of the rocker arm when both valves are shut for the power stroke. Lee has otherwise to explain the reason for the 2 valves and the purpose of a T-shaped rocker arm which controls them. The external intake manifold pipes are there on the Le Rhone precisely because the inlet mixture does not come through the cylinder wall, but through the cylinder head, where inflow is controlled by the adjacent valve. This is as it should be in a 4-stroke engine. With respect to the change of rods and pipes from rear to front, I suggest that it was made for the purpose of easing maintenance, more important in "keepin' 'em flying" than having them in the rear, despite the probable higher design penalties. Stef ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Hunter" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 12:56 PM Subject: RE: LeRhone Rotaries | <> | This is true for the Monosoupape engines like Gnomes. | | The Le Rhone rotary has one push/pull rod that runs along the back (outside) | of the cylinder. The rod is connected to an arm that actuates a "jackshaft" | to a "T" rocker arm. The exhaust valve is actuated on the push and the | intake is actuated on the pull. The intake that runs along the side of the | cylinder carries the fuel/air /caster oil mixture from the crankcase (drawn | in on the intake stroke of piston). Remember the tubes protruding from the | sides of the fuselage are intakes. Then compression; then power; then rod | pushes on exhaust stroke (as mentioned by others rotary engines expel their | exhaust out the top of the cylinder-timed so that it takes place when | cylinder is entering bottom of rotation). 4-stroke not 2. | The Clerget is similar but with separate push rods at the front and the | intake is at the back of the cylinder. | | If you take a look at the Le Rhone engine on the Bristol M1.C at Mr. Cox's | site you can clearly see the two valves. | | My $.02, Graham H. | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:51:05 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Kit reviews Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C1D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Otis, > And don't forget the influence of Alexander Haig!!! > Who's that? A modeller? WW1 personality? LMK Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:48:25 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roden Pfalz No longer( Uh-Oh) Message-ID: <60.85334e0.273221e9@aol.com> So... not being an expert on Pfalz wings.... I believe I understand that one wing was smaller / more rounded than the other? And, therefore, presumably IF the larger of the two wing types is provided with the model, we could just shave / sand / shape the wing down a little bit for the other, if need be? If I am understanding this correctly, than sounds to me like we can build any Pfalz we want, as long as the kit contains the larger wing. Or is it more complicated than that? Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:00:46 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Roden Pfalz No longer( Uh-Oh) Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621C1F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Dave, > So... not being an expert on Pfalz wings.... I believe I > understand that one > wing was smaller / more rounded than the other? And, therefore, > presumably IF the larger of the two wing types is provided > with the model, we > could just shave / sand / shape the wing down a little bit > for the other, if > need be? If I am understanding this correctly, than > sounds to me like we > can build any Pfalz we want, as long as the kit contains the > larger wing. > > Or is it more complicated than that? I don't have the drawings here (work) but I suspect it's slightly more difficult than that to do it accurately. One wing has a rounded triangular end, one a rounded end, with the lengths the same or nearly so. I'm not sure whether you could trim either from the other, though it might be possible 0000 *0*0*0*0*0*0 0 * * * 0 * 0 * 0 * 0 **0*0*0*0*0 Ugly ASCII artwork to the rescue! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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