WWI Digest 2737 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Guitar Strings?? by pugs99@att.net 2) Re: In Charge! by "Lyle Lamboley" 3) Strut Material by pugs99@att.net 4) Re: Guitar Strings?? by Lee Mensinger 5) Re: Strut Material by "Patrick Gilmore" 6) RE: Strut Material by "Ray Boorman" 7) Re: Strut Material by "Michael Kendix" 8) Re: In Charge! by "Matt Bittner" 9) Re: In Charge! by "Matt Bittner" 10) Re: four or five? by Lee Mensinger 11) Simulating ribs? by "Dale Beamish" 12) Re: Simulating ribs? by "David C. Fletcher" 13) Listees Clean-up in the Big Sleazy by Ernest Thomas 14) Re: Simulating ribs? by smperry@mindspring.com 15) Re: four or five? by "Len Smith" 16) Re: Guitar Strings?? by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 17) Contrail Zeppelin Staaken was Re: In Charge! by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 18) UK Nats by "Nigel Rayner" 19) Oswald Boelcke commemoration day. by "Gaston Graf" 20) Re: UK Nats by "Bob Pearson" 21) Re: four or five? by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 22) Re: UK Nats by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 23) Re: Contrail Zeppelin Staaken was Re: In Charge! by Shellbygt500kr@aol.com 24) Re: UK Nats by Shellbygt500kr@aol.com 25) Re: Oswald Boelcke commemoration day. by Shellbygt500kr@aol.com 26) Re: Simulating ribs? by Morg17ms@aol.com 27) Re: Simulating ribs? by smperry@mindspring.com 28) Re: Simulating ribs? by Morg17ms@aol.com 29) Re: Simulating ribs? by Peter Leonard 30) Re: Simulating ribs? by smperry@mindspring.com 31) Re: UK Nats by Peter Leonard 32) Sigrist Bus and Comic Camels and a Snipe by "Ray Boorman" 33) RE: UK Nats by "Ray Boorman" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 00:25:35 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Guitar Strings?? Message-ID: <20001022002535.MKHC23036.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi All, I read recently that someone, maybe Tom C? was using guitar string for rigging. Cany you tell me the diameter that you are using and what size would be good for 1/72??? Not going to get much hooby time in this week...We have a little local event known as a Subway Series going on in this area!!!! Can't resist, GO YANKEES!!!!!!!! Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:29:18 -0400 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: In Charge! Message-ID: <000701c03bbf$21b24f20$881dd03f@lylelamb> Only if it's about Nieuports in 1/72! :-) L. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Beamish" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 7:15 PM Subject: In Charge! > Oh sure .... put Matt in charge and no one is allowed to talk? > Dale > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 01:16:42 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Strut Material Message-ID: <20001022011643.MXVR23036.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi All, I am getting ready to start an old Formaplane vac(Albatross B-II) and was wondering what is good strut material?? I remember reading that some folks have used Bamboo??? What other stuff is good and where can you get it?? Has anyone tried shaping flat toothpicks?? The wood is certainly stronger and more realistic than the plastic strut stock that comes with the vac kits. TIA for any help. Back to the ballgame...... Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:28:53 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Guitar Strings?? Message-ID: <39F242D5.E0C812FA@x25.net> Check with Ernest Thomas.. On the Art of Guitar string use. He has the perfect "pitch". Lee M. pugs99@att.net wrote: > Hi All, > I read recently that someone, maybe Tom C? was using > guitar string for rigging. Cany you tell me the diameter > that you are using and what size would be good for > 1/72??? Not going to get much hooby time in this > week...We have a little local event known as a Subway > Series going on in this area!!!! Can't resist, GO > YANKEES!!!!!!!! > > Regards, > John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:39:13 -0400 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: Strut Material Message-ID: <00e101c03bc8$e1d981c0$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> I like the brass airfoil section material put out under the "strutz" name. I am not sure who produces it anymore (Aeroclub?) as I bought a bunch of it some time ago. It comes in a number of sizes and you can't beat it for strength and rigidity. It is a bit more difficult to work with as it is harder to cut and file to shape. I think I saw that Roll Models carried it the last time I checked. Patrick Gilmore ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 9:21 PM Subject: Strut Material > Hi All, > I am getting ready to start an old Formaplane > vac(Albatross B-II) and was wondering what is good strut > material?? I remember reading that some folks have used > Bamboo??? What other stuff is good and where can you get > it?? Has anyone tried shaping flat toothpicks?? The wood > is certainly stronger and more realistic than the plastic > strut stock that comes with the vac kits. TIA for any > help. Back to the ballgame...... > > Regards, > John > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:54:32 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Strut Material Message-ID: Go down to your local grocery store and pick up a bag of bamboo skewers. They are in the barbeque section and cost a dollar or so, you should have enough for years. Shane is the expert on these and there should be a posting in the archives from a year or so ago describing how to make struts. Dont foget to cut them long so you have a handle while you are carving, shaping and painting them. Ray (The Metal Strutz material is getting hard to get btw) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 01:58:54 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Strut Material Message-ID: >From: pugs99@att.net >I am getting ready to start an old Formaplane >vac(Albatross B-II) and was wondering what is good strut >material?? I remember reading that some folks have used >Bamboo??? What other stuff is good and where can you get >it?? Has anyone tried shaping flat toothpicks?? The wood >is certainly stronger and more realistic than the plastic >strut stock that comes with the vac kits. TIA for any >help. Back to the ballgame...... John: I have excellent results with bamboo struts that I sculpted from chopsticks. I did a build of a Phonix D.III in Internet Modeler in which I described my method. Robert Karr and Steve Perry have also used bamboo. I think it is quite strong even in 1/72nd scale which requires thinner strips for the struts. Please see: http://internetmodeler.com/july2000/aviation/phonix.htm This is not an effort at self-glorification, more an issue of if I can do it, more than 50% of modelers can. HTH. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:24:13 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: In Charge! Message-ID: <200010220223.TAA14082@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 19:14:57 -0400 (EDT), Dale Beamish wrote: > Oh sure .... put Matt in charge and no one is allowed to talk? Bwahahaha...I put an "anti-1/48th" filter on the list. C'mon, 1/72nd'ers, I know we do tend to build, but we can stir up some conversation. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:24:41 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: In Charge! Message-ID: <200010220224.TAA15104@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:33:04 -0400 (EDT), Lyle Lamboley wrote: > Only if it's about Nieuports in 1/72! :-) I knew someone would catch on. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:40:47 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: four or five? Message-ID: <39F253AF.89402178@x25.net> I am sorry to report that I can not l;ocate the Lozenge article from the Houston IPMS Chapter. I thought I had it on disk but it is not to be had. Don't plague Tom C. He can't send out what I can't supply. Sorry. Lee M. TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/20/00 4:58:29 PM EST, myles.miller@thc.state.tx.us > writes: > > << the link to the lozenge > article by Scott Head appears to be defunct (as does the entire Houston > IPMS site). >> > > Houston IPMS site no longer exists, hasn't for a few months. Scott couldn't > get help from club members and had other things to do so he didn't have the > time and resources to maintain it. > > Go with 4-color on D.VIIs and you'll almost always be right and the time you > aren't nobody can prove otherwise anyway. :-) > > Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:44:33 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Simulating ribs? Message-ID: <008c01c03bd2$24137600$5d31b8a1@darcy> OK I'm trying my hand at scratch building 48 scale for the first time. I have my wing blanks cut and sanded to shape. What are the best techniques for simulating ribs? Sorry I can't mention the A/C yet. Not while "72" is in charge. :-) Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:07:13 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Simulating ribs? Message-ID: <39F259E1.E1853860@mars.ark.com> Dale Beamish wrote: > > OK I'm trying my hand at scratch building 48 scale for the first time. I > have my wing blanks cut and sanded to shape. What are the best techniques > for simulating ribs? Sorry I can't mention the A/C yet. Not while "72" is in > charge. :-) > Dale Score thin (10 thou) styrene sheet on the inside with a pen and a ruler and then wrap it around your cores for the top surfaces. None of that nasty sag and no burlap effect. The bottom should be flat, so rib tape is all that's required there. It works in 1/48 and on other than Nieuports...;-) Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:11:24 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: The List Subject: Listees Clean-up in the Big Sleazy Message-ID: <39F25ADB.91234775@bellsouth.net> Hi All, The New Orleans IPMS chapter(Flying Tigers) held their anual contest today. Nine entries in the 1/48 Bi-plane cat. DB took 2nd and 3rd with a Tross and Fok E-III.(not sure which got which). And being a true gentleman and all around good sport, he proceeded to start shouting "NEPOTISM!!!, NEPOTISM!!!. :-) He's now coming over to drown his sorrows in some 25yr old rum. But since he's not here yet, let me just say that his One-Oh-Thingie was real nice looking too. Not much OT stuff in the vendor room, except for a Tauro 1/35 A7V, which Dave bought. I would have bought it myself, but I was armed with only a MC, and that vendor didn't accept plastic. Oh well. Life goes on. E. Oh, the smallest guitar string I've ever found is .008. Kinda big for 1/72. RK say's he's got .006, but he's out in California where things are a bit different, or so I've been told.. Also Oh, the 1/72 bipe cat only had one entry, a N.17. You'd better get on them guys, Matt. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:16:29 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Simulating ribs? Message-ID: <001b01c03bd6$79530d20$6df9aec7@default> > OK I'm trying my hand at scratch building 48 scale for the first time. I > have my wing blanks cut and sanded to shape. What are the best techniques > for simulating ribs? Sorry I can't mention the A/C yet. Not while "72" is in > charge. :-) > Dale If your blanks are smooth, then primer them, sand lightly, mark the stations, apply decal material strips at each station, another light coat of primer and then kiss it with fine sandpaper. No starving cow look. Drum tight with just the rib tapes to mark the stations. Exactly like the photos. hth sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 06:53:33 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: four or five? Message-ID: <016201c03bed$669802a0$ab867ed4@mesh> From: "Bob Pearson" > On replicas it has > been noted how lozenge coloured aircraft blend into the background when > flying against trees and such. Is this the recommended way of ensuring a short landing run? Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 03:17:55 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Guitar Strings?? Message-ID: <4b.265eed1.2723eea3@aol.com> In a message dated 10/21/00 7:28:07 PM EST, pugs99@att.net writes: << I read recently that someone, maybe Tom C? was using guitar string for rigging. Cany you tell me the diameter that you are using and what size would be good for 1/72??? >> I use high E, which is about .008 - 1/72 would have to be about 2/3 of that or so. TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:48:33 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Contrail Zeppelin Staaken was Re: In Charge! Message-ID: <39F2A9E1.CAFE03AF@tac.com.au> Matt Bittner wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 19:14:57 -0400 (EDT), Dale Beamish wrote: > > > Oh sure .... put Matt in charge and no one is allowed to talk? > > Bwahahaha...I put an "anti-1/48th" filter on the list. C'mon, > 1/72nd'ers, I know we do tend to build, but we can stir up some > conversation. :-) Hi Matt, Your wish is my command ;-)). As some of you know, I picked up this vacform last weekend. Since it is my first vacform, I opened the box with some trepidation, however on inspection provided I cut the thing out ok, it looks a "fairly easy" build, especially since I will be doing the floatplane version. However the decals are stuffed, so I'll need new ones. Any other recommendations for aftermarket parts. I have the German Giants book by Haddow & Grosz (been told that there is a "hoax" in there as well???), plus the two articles by Ray Rimell in Wimdsock & Scale Models - any other refs recommended? Regards, Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm Having FUN building models ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:38:20 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: UK Nats Message-ID: <000601c03c05$7cb1bd20$c34d883e@w1o0t3> Hi all, Just had a very interesting day at the IPMS UK Nationals (aka Scale Modelworld - they're trying to get away from the "pure" IPMS tag). Most importantly, I got to meet fellow listees, Len Smith and Steve Schofield. Charming chaps both, and as I have seen from other postings, it's great fun to meet people from the list face-to-face. I got to see some of Len's excellent vacforms on his club stand and chatted models and stuff over a beer. Scho says he is "blocked" at the moment and needs inspiration to finish his LVG, so come on gang, give him some encouragment! On the OT front, there was some nice stuff in the competitions, including a large scale (1/24?) Mark IV (I think by Firing Line or someone like that). Highlights were in the large scale area - Alcorn's scratchbuilt DH9a was there, plus some amazing ot scratchbuilds by Alan Clark. I've seen these things in print, but seeing them for real is awesome. However, surprise highlight was a large scale (1/32 or larger, it didn't say) scratchbuilt Lloyd 40.08, a triplane bomber (Austria's version of the Caproni). This was amazing, both as a scratchbuild and a subject. It was attracting a lot of attention - it has a high gunner's pulpit at the front, and I heard one wag comment "looks like it was built for long range preaching." On the ot front, there were a couple of amazing models - there was a scratchbuild of the front half of the Titanic in largish scale (the model was probably 4 feet long) as it is underwater on the seabed, ie all broken, rusty and corroded. Absolutely incredible. Also, there was a huge 1/35 diorama of a complete U-boat in front of an occupied French town, with loads of vehicles, soldiers and general populace. Again amazing, but it makes me think some people have too much time on their hands...... On the OT kit front, good news for braillers - picked up the Pegasus 2001/2 list. In case details haven't been posted, next Pegasus releases are Spad XII, Halberstadt DII, Airco DH5, Vickers Gun Bus and Bistol fighter. Blue Max releases are Bristol M1C, Phonix D1, Roland DVIb and LVG CVI. I actually bought my first BM kit (SE5a, very nice), of course I asked if I could see it first (thanks for the heads up on possible problems) and Chris was happy to show me all the parts. All perfect (it's number 1276). Chris really is a nice guy, so I would say any of you that have had problems with BM just persevere and try to get your issues resolved directly with him. Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:17:04 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Oswald Boelcke commemoration day. Message-ID: Dear friends, before switching to lurk mode some weeks ago I told you that I will reappear from time to time... Well now the time has come for me to come back for short. I have some news to share with you: 1) On Oktober 28th this year, 84 years will have passed since the sad day in 1916, where Oswald Boelcke lost his life in a tragical midair collision with his friend Erwin Böhme. I will attend the official commemoration ceremony held in Dessau in Germany this year, where I received an inviation to by the German Historical Boelcke Society. I will off course make photographs if ever possible and post them at my website to she the event with you. 2) For the commemoration of Oswald Boelcke I setup a little online photoalbum with not so known pictures about his person. If you are interested to see how he looked like as a two year old child, how his house looked like then and how it looks like now please feel free to go to the ACES section --> OSWALD BOELCKE --> image map THE PHOTOALBUM. The album will grow bit by bit as if I will find the time to scan more pictures. I recently received some nice little treasures from Germany, old books about Boelcke, Böhme, Manfred von Richthofen and Max Immelmann. A lot of things to share with you but like my time is limited to you will have to be patient. 3) I received the book from Prof. Werner : "Erwin Böhme - letters to a young girl", which holds most of the letters Böhme wrote to his girlfriend and later fiancee Annemarie B. I plan to translate that book and post it at my website. To the commemoration of Böhme, who died excactly one year, one month and one day after his friend Oswald Boelcke, I will see to setup a little page with details about this chivalrus pilot. Please notice that I did not find the time yet to update the newspage as well as my links page. This will follow as soon as possible. with kind regards Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 02:48:47 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: UK Nats Message-ID: <200010221001.DAA09736@mail.rapidnet.net> Which LVG is Scho doing? I've done a bunch of cool C.V profiles lately .. including some Polish ones Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:36:47 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: four or five? Message-ID: <005001c03c1c$5d5b4fb0$5338183f@cyrixp166> I think I have a hard copy of this article. Contact me off list if you want me to try to find it and to send a copy. John Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee Mensinger To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 10:36 PM Subject: Re: four or five? > I am sorry to report that I can not l;ocate the Lozenge article from the Houston > IPMS Chapter. I thought I had it on disk but it is not to be had. > > Don't plague Tom C. He can't send out what I can't supply. Sorry. > > Lee M. > > TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/20/00 4:58:29 PM EST, myles.miller@thc.state.tx.us > > writes: > > > > << the link to the lozenge > > article by Scott Head appears to be defunct (as does the entire Houston > > IPMS site). >> > > > > Houston IPMS site no longer exists, hasn't for a few months. Scott couldn't > > get help from club members and had other things to do so he didn't have the > > time and resources to maintain it. > > > > Go with 4-color on D.VIIs and you'll almost always be right and the time you > > aren't nobody can prove otherwise anyway. :-) > > > > Tom Cleaver > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:54:32 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: UK Nats Message-ID: <75.b31c774.272467b8@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/00 3:45:03 AM EST, nigel@rosnar.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Again amazing, but it makes me think some people have too much time on their hands...... >> Typicl British reserved understatement. :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:02:40 EDT From: Shellbygt500kr@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Contrail Zeppelin Staaken was Re: In Charge! Message-ID: <52.2403e0e.272469a0@aol.com> Shane, I don't know anything about the Contrail Staaken, but my question concerns the German Giants book. You mentioned a hoax in it. What is this hoax? Also, being a fan of German G. and R. planes I am curious as to the type. You mentioned that you want to build the seaplane version. Is it an L, or 8301/8303 ? Cheers, Mark Van Osdol ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:20:43 EDT From: Shellbygt500kr@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: UK Nats Message-ID: Nigel, You've left me green with envy. Wish I could have gone this year. I lived in Suffolk for 7 years '93-00 and just returned to the U.S last May. Everyone living on this side of the pond should consider a trip to the U.K. Nats if you have the time and can afford the airfare, and accomodations. The British REALLY know how to put on a great show. I managed to go most years when I didn't have to work. Also the British are lovely people. Very friendly towards Americans and very curious bout us Yanks. They say we have a lovely accent and like to just hear us talk. Funny I feel the same about them. As a matter of fact I married a Norwegian whilst stationed in England(also wonderful people) and she left two sons behind when she immigrated to the U.S. with me. She misses them, so who knows, maybe we'll return after I retire in two years. That would be nice since it's a lovely country, wet but lovely. Cheers Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:30:26 EDT From: Shellbygt500kr@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Oswald Boelcke commemoration day. Message-ID: Herr Graf, I think I can speak for most if not all on the list when I say that I look forward to all of the new material you plan to post to your web page about Boelcke and Bohme. Lovely web page by the way, it's on my list of favorites. Tschuss, Mark Van Osdol ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:30:31 EDT From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Simulating ribs? Message-ID: <56.23a9af8.27247027@aol.com> I've have just done the same scratched wings, for a 1:48 DH 2 and the method is working far better than I thought it could...... 1] glue a copy of the wing plan to a piece of firm sheet, say 0.040" 2] using a No 80 or smaller bit, drill a hole at the leading and trailing edge of every rib and riblet 3] place wing blank on the plan 4] tighty wrap fine thread (I used 6.0 surgical silk) through the holes across the top of the wing blank 5] touch the leading and trailing edge of each length of thread with a dab of thin AC. Don't worry about a little slopping. 6] spray the wing with 3 or 4 coats of Future to secure the rest or the thread lengths 7] cut off the 'extra' thread of the riblets (between the full ribs) if any 8] spray on several coats of plain old auto paint primer, the grey stuff. This will gradually blend the thread ribs and riblets into the wing giving a surprisingly authentically appearing upper wing. Sand lightly after every 3 or 4 coats. 9] use decal strips for the rib tapes, as needed. I'm in the process of writing up a photo article of this technique for WINDSOCK. Try it! Remember that the lower wing surface should usually be pretty tight, with out even the subtle contours of the upper wing. Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:48:18 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Simulating ribs? Message-ID: <006101c03c47$e21140e0$6df9aec7@default> Absolutely brilliant Tom! The idea would work with stretched sprue or even fine strips of 5 thou card. I wonder if there were there standard spacings for rib bays, at least for a given manufacturer? If so one template could be used for several models if need be. sp Who always gets one or two rib stations crooked when he eyeballs them ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:58:57 EDT From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Simulating ribs? Message-ID: I don't know about standard spacings but the wing templates are small enough that they could be easily mailed from on list member to another, and used several times. Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:33:00 +0100 From: Peter Leonard To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Simulating ribs? Message-ID: <39F324CC.3ABC96F9@cwcom.net> If you're planning to skin the wing then most of it has already been said, However, if you prefer the simplicity of a solid plastic wing you can score the wing ribs directly on to the blanks. Put two blades side by side in a Stanley knife, score just once, then lightly sand with some fine grade. This works fine for kit wings too cheers Peter L Morg17ms@aol.com wrote: > I don't know about standard spacings but the wing templates are small enough > that they could be easily mailed from on list member to another, and used > several times. > > Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:32:37 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Simulating ribs? Message-ID: <006b01c03c4e$127ef640$6df9aec7@default> > I don't know about standard spacings but the wing templates are small enough > that they could be easily mailed from on list member to another, and used > several times. Tom: I have a good DH.2 nacelle and I plan on scratching the wings, boom & tailfeathers. LMK when you're done with the template. :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:39:28 +0100 From: Peter Leonard To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: UK Nats Message-ID: <39F32650.31B9E335@cwcom.net> Just got back to-day (Sunday) Managed to behave myself in the kit department, Aurora F2B £10 ($15) Sierra Ansaldo AI £7 ($11) but just a tad over budget in the books department. Just don't tell my missus how much this stuff REALLY costs ;) cheers Peter L Shellbygt500kr@aol.com wrote: > Nigel, > You've left me green with envy. Wish I could have gone this year. I lived > in Suffolk for 7 years '93-00 and just returned to the U.S last May. > Everyone living on this side of the pond should consider a trip to the U.K. > Nats if you have the time and can afford the airfare, and accomodations. The > British REALLY know how to put on a great show. I managed to go most years > when I didn't have to work. Also the British are lovely people. Very > friendly towards Americans and very curious bout us Yanks. They say we have > a lovely accent and like to just hear us talk. Funny I feel the same about > them. As a matter of fact I married a Norwegian whilst stationed in > England(also wonderful people) and she left two sons behind when she > immigrated to the U.S. with me. She misses them, so who knows, maybe we'll > return after I retire in two years. That would be nice since it's a lovely > country, wet but lovely. > > Cheers Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:56:07 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "wwi" Subject: Sigrist Bus and Comic Camels and a Snipe Message-ID: The thought of a Sopwith Cook-up got me looking through various references so here are some thoughts for no particular reason than the list is slow at present and when you find interesting stuff you just have to share it...... I've Finally finished Sopwith Aircraft by Mick Grant (Very nice book btw). Anyway right at the end hidden in the Appendices are supposedly the only two pictures of The Sigrist Bus, this is the aircraft that was said to be the pre-cursor of the 1 1/2 Strutter. Very delicate and aesthetic looking aircraft btw. It looks like the 1-1/2 strutter with a tabloid or Schneider cowl. Just thought someone on the list might be thinking of building this aircraft and want some references..... ;) Btw Fred Sigrist is said to have chalked out on the floor of the Sopwith Works in Kingston the layout of this aircraft in 1914 the Bus also had unequal span wings. Now on to Comic Camels. From what I have read the Comic Camels would seem to have been a field conversion only, originally by 44 Squadron. The conversion involved the fuel tank and pilot positions being swapped around. A smaller fuel tank from a BE2 was installed instead of the standard tank. Unfortunately this reduced the endurance of the Aircraft drastically. Along with the resiting of the pilot, the Vickers Machine Guns - Synchronizing gear and Covering hump were removed. Twin Overwing Lewis guns replaced the Vickers. This created a very racy looking aircraft. According to what I read this modification created an aircraft that was more maneuverable and controllable, climbed like stink and with the exception of endurance was a better aircraft than the normal Sopwith Camel. Typically these aircraft were fitted with Le Rhone Rotaries (these being considerably lighter than Clergets). - You could say they created the GT Version of the Camel ;) Does anyone know if there are any drawings of this type available?? The later Night Fighter Camels were standard Camels as far as I can tell, the Comic Camel being a field mod only. Lastly I have been going through the Snipe datafile. This datafile might have some of the clearest pictures of an aircrafts internals I have ever seen - Anyone who has this book - take a look at Pictures 71 onwards. It really doesn't matter whether you are building/researching a Snipe you will after looking at the pictures walk away with a renewed appreciation of the technical abilities of the engineers of the day. Ray (Sopwith mode off) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:43:01 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: UK Nats Message-ID: I don't know if its still held but another event in Britain was the Model Engineer Exhibition (Usually held in late December early January). It was in London when I lived there but I think its moved to the midlands now. I have never seen anything quite like this anywhere else. Take a large IPMS show add just about every type of model you can think of from 1/6 Scale Aircraft to Live steam trains of the large ridable variety down to Z gauge, card models of all varieties, figurines from all periods. Metal engines and other scale models. Add a whole lot of other exhibits. Some that would definitely fall into the sublime to ridiculous category. Plus just about every cottage vendor in britain and the large companies too. Put these in a large crowded convention center and you get some of the flavour of the event. If the exhibition is still on, then anyone who is visiting Britain in December should plan a trip to this event, its definately unique. Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Shellbygt500kr@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 9:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: UK Nats Nigel, You've left me green with envy. Wish I could have gone this year. I lived in Suffolk for 7 years '93-00 and just returned to the U.S last May. Everyone living on this side of the pond should consider a trip to the U.K. Nats if you have the time and can afford the airfare, and accomodations. The British REALLY know how to put on a great show. >> Lots Snipped ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2737 **********************