WWI Digest 2734 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) by KarrArt@aol.com 2) RE: Sounding off & BM Defense by "Ray Boorman" 3) RE: WWI List meeting in Gaithersburg, Maryland by "Ray Boorman" 4) Re: Sounding off & BM Defense by "David C. Fletcher" 5) Re: Sounding off & BM Defense by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: Sounding off & BM Defense by "DAVID BURKE" 7) "I Cried A River Over You" (ot) by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 8) Re: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) by NodalPoint@aol.com 9) Re: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 10) Explanations for the ripple - wasRe: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 11) Re: WWI List meeting in Gaithersburg, Maryland by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 12) Re: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 13) Re: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) by David Solosy 14) Re: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 15) Re: "I Cried A River Over You" (ot) by BEN8800@aol.com 16) Re: Production Values vs. Quality Control (wasTom's by "Mark Shannon" 17) Re: "I Cried A River Over You" (ot) by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 18) Re: BM ripples and other complaints by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) 19) WWI Memorabilia Auction by Eli Geher 20) Re: Squasta by "Sharon Henderson" 21) Re: WWI List meeting in Gaithersburg, Maryland by "Sharon Henderson" 22) RE: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) by "Graham Hunter" 23) Re: WWI List meeting in Gaithersburg, Maryland by "Sharon Henderson" 24) Albatros DVa vs DV by Mark Miller 25) Re: Albatros DVa vs DV by "Ken Acosta" 26) Re: Albatros DVa vs DV by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 27) Walter Boning DVa color scheme by Mark Miller 28) RE: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) by "Graham Hunter" 29) Re: Sounding off & BM Defense by KarrArt@aol.com 30) RE: Expectations by "Neil Crawford" 31) Re: Toms diplomatic skills. by "Neil Crawford" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:09:29 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) Message-ID: <95.20ca154.27211169@aol.com> In a message dated 10/19/00 7:17:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, petrov26@home.com writes: << In the case of the N28 >> Aw shucks- I guess I might as well throw in my two old rustled bottle caps.......My infamous 94th Aero squadron diorama required ten (11? 9?...I can't remember)Blue Max Nieuports28s. Aside from whatever else I may have thought about the kits, the "ripple" wasn't an issue. Not a single wing had this malformation- and I'm wondering if perhaps it's not due to this airplane having rather thinner wings than the average WW I plane (and since the Peg-ass-us patrons don't seem to see this effect)....and it also seems from reading other's postings that the Nieuport doesn't generally suffer from this malady...so- I'm wondering what the heck is going on with the other kits in the range? It HAS scared me off buying others. When Monogram re-released the three old Auroras a thousand years ago, I got my hands on a couple of D.VIIs, and both had completely warped wings- more like curled Christmas ribbon than airplane parts- so I wrote Monogram, and within 10 days , I had FOUR complete sets of good wings in my hands, and an apology. I realize CG ain't Monogram, but, like they say on another list I belong to..."What the f---?" Tom has mentioned the "actors" being trained in a few minutes to run off perfectly good copies of models at an auto exposition- when I was kid there was one department store we went to that had a vending machine perfectly capable of making perfect cars, famous monsters, and a host of othere things right before your eyes. All automated. You put in 35 cents or whatever it was and watched the entire process from start to finsh, and in a few minutes you had slightly warm object in your sweaty little hands. No solutions, just ramblings....... RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:41:01 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Sounding off & BM Defense Message-ID: Enough is enough, The whine is requiring a whole lot of cheese...... ;) I just dug out the following large correct scale models (As opposed to the Correct 1/72 scale) BM Roland CII, BM Bristol Fighter, (Including the wing that CG replaced after I phoned to find out how best to get a replacement), Eduard Alb DrI, Pfalz DIII, and DIIIa, Sopwith Pup, Aeroclub Bristol Fighter, FE2, and RE8. Wings well sorry but BM beats all imho. They don't have starving ribs syndrome of the others even the Aeroclubs. Eduards - The pup is going to need some work with a dremel on the insides of the fuse sides and all plastic areas cleaned up. As to the ribs on the Pfalz's hehe She wont fly with those believe me!!! ;) The others are nice models should be though they cost me more than the BM's Aeroclub Same as Eduard but plastic is not clean and detail is a bit thick. In other words will require cleaning up. (Great models all, I am definitely not complaining) Moral of the story they all will need work. All the wings except the BM's will need sanding. The eduards will require a decision in that do I really want to sand the trenches off. (In 1/48 or 172 ribs should be line only, Eduards would never get off the ground as the fabric would be way too loose). 10 years ago and maybe 10 years from now, we wouldn't have these treasures to build. So guys and ladies get over it already... We are supposed to be modelers not assemblers. If you really can't stand BM's offerings don't buy them. If you don't want to put in the extra effort that all the above models or any biplane requires, then I guess you should go build a 109 thingy from Tamigawa!! Some of the above was a bit tongue in cheek but not much. I can't believe the winging going on! Ray, btw E send your address and I'll get a pot of Marmite off to you ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:55:50 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: WWI List meeting in Gaithersburg, Maryland Message-ID: I was under the impression this list was for the exchange of ideas, information etc about OT models and OT aircraft. I would suspect that OT Aircraft and models were a big part of the conversation so why an earth isn't this an appropriate post???. We all have a delete key and can read the title, therefore if we aren't interested in a post we can delete it unread. You can make an argument that it should have gone offline after the first post, but that could mean someone who could have attended might have missed the post and not known!. Hey Cyg are you coming to Vancouver anytime soon??? ;) Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: WWI List meeting in Gaithersburg, Maryland Ahem--since this matter doesn't actually pertain the majority of listmembers, would it be possible to take it off the list, and confine to the interested parties? Thanks, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:26:11 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sounding off & BM Defense Message-ID: <39EFC963.D5F121BF@mars.ark.com> Ray Boorman wrote: "btw E send your address and I'll get a pot of Marmite off to you ;)" Don't do it E!!! I understand that the Turks fought so hard at Gallipoli because they had heard that Australians fed Marmite to their prisoners. That was a clear violation of the Rules of Warfare on the treatment of POWs. Besides, there are import restrictions on toxic substances. And I agree with Ray - I built models out of sprue, shrink wrappers and old ball-point pens (Byros to the Brits) and anything else plastic or balsa when I was young; what's a little sanding? Lets get back to some positive discussion and forget Marmite, knife cuts and bellyaching. Sorry I missed the IPMS Meeting in Vancouver, Ray - I had to be back on the Island the Thursday before. Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:05:45 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sounding off & BM Defense Message-ID: <34.bf061c4.27212ca9@aol.com> In a message dated 10/19/00 9:24:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dcf@mars.ark.com writes: << And I agree with Ray - I built models out of sprue, shrink wrappers and old ball-point pens (Byros to the Brits) and anything else plastic or balsa when I was young; what's a little sanding? >> I still have dreams of converting the Aurora Dracula to something like an Avro504- just for the sheer joy/pain/hell/misery/ecstasy of it all...... RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:13:11 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Sounding off & BM Defense Message-ID: <003701c03a54$726d3f40$d18baec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:13 AM Subject: Re: Sounding off & BM Defense > In a message dated 10/19/00 9:24:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > dcf@mars.ark.com writes: > > << And I agree with Ray - I built models out of sprue, shrink wrappers and > old ball-point pens (Byros to the Brits) and anything else plastic or > balsa when I was young; what's a little sanding? >> > > I still have dreams of converting the Aurora Dracula to something like an > Avro504- just for the sheer joy/pain/hell/misery/ecstasy of it all...... > RK Yeah, and I wanna build a Harry Tate from wood shavings, a hedgehog, and some duct tape. Should be a winner! ;-) DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:08:42 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: "I Cried A River Over You" (ot) Message-ID: <51.24f95f3.27213b6a@aol.com> Noted in the local fishwrap today: Julie London died last night at age 74 of lung cancer here in LA. She survived her husband Bobby Troup by five years. (Some of you might remember a little ditty he did: "Route 66") I'm sure that for more than a few other "guys of a certain age," listening to "I Cried A River Over You" was their introduction to the fact that there was indeed such a thing as Great Sex. Ohhh you can cry me a river cry me a river I cried a river over youuuuuuuuu..... Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:11:42 EDT From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) Message-ID: <70.40e1064.27213c1e@aol.com> In a message dated 10/19/2000 10:31:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TomTheAeronut@aol.com writes: << In other words, about 52% are ok, no problems. Do you really think a 48% problem rate is nothing? >> I'm new to WWI modelling and due to the recent posts about Blue Max I doubt I would buy one unless I first opened the kit and looked it over. Where I am, I probably won't get a chance to see a BM kit in person, so no way would I mail order one if there's a 50/50 chance part of the kit will need to be returned and another 50/50 chance the items won't be replaced in a timely manner or at all. If the dude making the kits is aware of all the negative opinions on this list, I doubt a signed letter will matter. Some people just have their own way of doing things. I'm gald there's a forum that gives people information so they can make up their own minds about who to buy from. Steve BTW- Has anyone seen the cover of the latest Flying Models magazine? There's a DH2 on the cover that is absolutely fantastic. As someone who's model building experience has mostly been "stick and tissue" (and RC sailplanes) this is an amazing looking model. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:19:33 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) Message-ID: <35.baa4928.27213df5@aol.com> In a message dated 10/19/00 9:37:47 PM EST, JVT7532@aol.com writes: << As to Tom's Diplomatic skills, well it would be like driving a tack with a twenty pound sledge hammer. Sorry Tom but, well you know you are a bit harsh (snicker) at times. >> And sometimes, you want to use a long-barreled .22 single-action. :-) Further thought on the matter reveals to me that what I proposed would be irrelevant in any case. The economic facts are: Hannant's buys 500 of whatever he does (David told me so) and SMO buys 500. Others buy about 300, leaving him with 200 to sell direct. Doesn't matter if all 1,300 sit on the shelves till everyone reading this is a moldering skeleton in their casket, CG got his money. Doesn't matter to him whether we buy them or not, he's covered. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:22:47 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Explanations for the ripple - wasRe: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) Message-ID: In a message dated 10/19/00 10:14:45 PM EST, KarrArt@aol.com writes: << Not a single wing had this malformation- and I'm wondering if perhaps it's not due to this airplane having rather thinner wings than the average WW I plane >> I think RK has hit on something: the Camel, the D.H.2, the Nie. 28 and the Pfalz D.XII all have universal good notes from people who have bought the kits. They all share one thing in common: thin wings. TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:40:42 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI List meeting in Gaithersburg, Maryland Message-ID: In a message dated 10/19/00 10:13:24 PM EST, KarrArt@aol.com writes: << And he doesn't pee on the floor! A most gracious guest! All you people out there- if Cyg is making a personal appearance in your town- please have some sort of get-together- excellent company. RK >> He even likes Italian food at good restaurants and pays his own way!! :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:43:55 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) Message-ID: I really hope new members won't be that turned off. If you can find a BM kit and look at it and it looks good, get it. Nobody else (other than Aeroclub for the Bristol Fighter) makes the kits he's done. Like I said, if they weren't good I wouldn't give a New York micro-nanosecond to how they are. When you get a good one, they're great. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:24:11 +0800 From: David Solosy To: "WW1 List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) Message-ID: <56EBF0EF4A03D4118C6F00902776597F145BE8@s26pss4.pssc.wa.gov.au> Dave Z wrote: <-In the balance between the need to support people who serve our little community, and our right to expect a certain level of quality for good money, sometimes I think we may be breaking these guy's hearts and spirit.>   Well expressed Dave. At last, a bit of compassion for the small business guy.IMO Mr Gannon and Mr Merrill at A/G and Eric and Cyg and most, if not all, of the other 'cottage industry' manufacturers provide us with immeasurable pleasure in our hobby. They do what the big guys do not by providing hitherto unkitted subjects and decals and detail sets etc. Why? Because they love the hobby too. Clearly, they are providing to a small market.   Tamigawa, Airfix, Revell, Hobbycraft, Eduard and the rest, are large scale commercial enterprises who are geared up to deal with customer complaints and have the technology, design facilities, marketing divisions etc etc to run like large corporations. They do it because it's a business.They are providing to a mass market.   If I have a complaint as a consumer, I might write to the manufacturer. I personally believe that numerous individual letters have more impact than a 'collective' one. Further, I think that collective letters are more effective when lobbying for new products and major changes, not for complaining.    By all means assert your consumer rights as you see reasonable. Diplomacy will, of course, be the key. And I have every faith that Tom can deliver in that department.   I'm not sure that I would sign a group letter, however.   If I'm really p****d off with the quality and the service I simply vote with my feet and cease buying the product.   My two cents OZ worth (which in US currency is worth almost bugger all and even less in British pounds)   David S   BTW, any of you guys ever read 'Wilbur Winkle Has a Complaint'? One of the funniest books I've read in a while. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:18:43 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) Message-ID: <006501c03a8f$e45601b0$ef37183f@cyrixp166> > Well, while I agree that it is a amazing time to be into WW1 modeling > due to the amount of kits available I have to disagree a bit with you on > another point. From what you seem to be saying, we should be buying BM kits > irrespective of their quality due to the fact that they were producing kits > when times were lean for WW1 modeling? > I will jump out of this thread after this comment. I am not suggesting that people buy anything. I am suggesting that Blue Max Kits are limited run injection molded kits of exotic subjects. They are made with home-made technology & thus their quality will never be up to Tamiya or DML or even 1960's vintage Monogram. There will inevitably be imperfections in the casting & perhaps fit issues - no matter who carries the molding out. These kits are valuble to us because of the subject matter and the overall correctness of scale and outline. They will always be challenging builds. Some of us will not be up to this challenge. Some others who are up to the challenge will not choose to invest their time and money in such a project. These folks will stick to kits from the large manufacturers & may never see an exotic subject. This is completely fair. I do not think it is fair to try to impose the quality standards of product produced by a completely different & much more expensive technology on to product produced by Blue Max. The home-made technology doesn't permit better results on a consistant basis. A run of 1500 kits will never support an investment in modern recessed panel line injection mold technology. To suggest that Chris Gannon either invest in better technology or cease producing kits is very harsh. The Blue Max business model will not support better technology. Such an investment would drive him out of business. If you think Blue Max's quality is suspect or you don't want to take a chance with your money - fine. But let the other folks make that decision for themselves. I for one will continue buy their kits when the subject matter appeals to me. I bought the SPAD 7 before they were gone. Thank goodness I did. Yeah it has a few issues but nothing I can handle. And best of all it is a real SPAD 7 in 1/48 scale!!!!! Sorry for the Rant. John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:11:09 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "I Cried A River Over You" (ot) Message-ID: <7e.bcb9b14.2721ac7d@aol.com> In a message dated 10/20/00 2:12:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TomTheAeronut@aol.com writes: << Julie London died last night at age 74 of lung cancer here in LA. She survived her husband Bobby Troup by five years. (Some of you might remember a little ditty he did: "Route 66") >> I think many never knew or forgot how good a singer Julie was. Supurb! I have several of her albums on wax and recently got some redone on CD. I'm a jazz freak and she was one of the best in those circles. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:20:56 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Production Values vs. Quality Control (wasTom's Message-ID: John, The question is not one of whether the Blue Max kits are of the same mold level as the production run kits from an Eduard or a Tamiya, but whether the production values are being properly applied. The wing ripple does not come solely because this is a limited production kit, it comes from one of two production problems -- either the mold has a heatsink at that spot causing uneven cooling, or the part is pulled from the mold too soon. The first is usually one of the engineering problems worked through at a major firm, and has largely been eliminated due to better expertise, better plastics, and more attention mold and part design as plastic models have gone from kids' toys to a cross generational hobby. Limited production kits have less review of the engineering, and are more likely to have such a problem. In this case, the error should appear in virtually every one of the affected part, and is easily seen by looking for a 'swirling' or eddy marking in the plastic at that point, due to the multi-viscosity flow occuring around the cool spot. The later shows up in major production companies as well, and is indicative of a lack of care for the repeatable quality of the parts. It is simply a matter of a proper cycle time. In other words, quality control of the process. The fact that many people receive good Blue Max kits without the problem, and that good replacement parts are sent in many cases when requested, indicates the second problem is more likely operative. Problems with people requesting replacement parts and being kept waiting also show a possible lack of quality control in the 'Process.' These are points to raise. How Chris Gannon prices his models is literally his business. We have also been appreciative of the level of detail and the quality effort put into the replica value. What we are upset about is that these kits consistently have a flaw that could be addressed, and that, at the prices paid, the detail intended should not be marred by a simple, quick fix type problem. I'm not for any kind of boycott, attack, rant and rave session, or any of that. I do wish that a repetitive problem were addressed at the source, because it could be. The problem is not Quality, it's Quality Control and Quality Assurance. These are a different type of problem that can be addressed by any size company with any level of resources, because they really depend only on the attitude of the company toward clients and products. .Mark. John Cyganowski wrote: (in part) I am not suggesting that people buy anything. I am suggesting that Blue Max Kits are limited run injection molded kits of exotic subjects. They are made with home-made technology & thus their quality will never be up to Tamiya or DML or even 1960's vintage Monogram. There will inevitably be imperfections in the casting & perhaps fit issues - no matter who carries the molding out. These kits are valuble to us because of the subject matter and the overall correctness of scale and outline. They will always be challenging builds. Some of us will not be up to this challenge. Some others who are up to the challenge will not choose to invest their time and money in such a project. These folks will stick to kits from the large manufacturers & may never see an exotic subject. This is completely fair ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:16:33 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: "I Cried A River Over You" (ot) Message-ID: <000801c03aa0$5a67e2f0$a739183f@cyrixp166> I'll say it before anyone else. She was also pretty hot. John Cyg. > << Julie London died last night at age 74 of lung cancer here in LA. She > survived her husband Bobby Troup by five years. (Some of you might remember > a little ditty he did: "Route 66") > >> > I think many never knew or forgot how good a singer Julie was. Supurb! I have > several of her albums on wax and recently got some redone on CD. I'm a jazz > freak and she was one of the best in those circles. > > Ben > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:17:36 -0500 From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: BM ripples and other complaints Message-ID: FYI folks, I have been buying BM and Pegasus kits from the beginning. So far, I have not had any kits with the famous ripple you talk of. I have had a couple of his kits that have a flow pattern in the plastic, but when painted, it is nothing more than different colors of the plastic and have no effect on the finish. As far as Mr. Gannon's kits go, if any one who works a regular job and is providing for a family thinks they can provide a line of kits that cover the depth he has and can provide the detail of the full time manufacturers at a cheaper cost, then jump right in here and give us a better mouse trap. We are supposed to be modelers. From looking at the pictures of some of your work, every one here is at least 6 or 8 cuts above the average person who builds models for a hobby. A lot of what I consider a normal part of model building has never been heard of by the masses of model builders around the world. We do things in our world that many modelers would never think of. This is a hobby, relax, enjoy what the folks who have a natural love for the hobby are providing for us. Just think what we would be building if it were not for these people. A dozen or so models (all of which were originally produced 40 plus years ago) that all are in dire need of correction and have been released by at least 4 different companies over the years with no changes except the poor quality of the decals. Some of the what used to be great kits even have the markings presented for us as raised lines on the surface of the plastic. They have no interior at all, the masters for the engine were made from bits of machine screws, and most have a very pronounced weave pattern to the surface. Why aren't you writing mass letters to the manufacturers demanding that they correct these errors and provide an accurate model for you to build? Chris, Eris, Cyg and any other cottage industry manufacturer, keep up the good work and thanks for providing us with a kit to build instead of a block of pine and a dull pocket knife with a hand drawn sketch on a napkin for plans. Soap box off, back to modeling. John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:24:50 -0500 From: Eli Geher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: WWI Memorabilia Auction Message-ID: <39F055B2.35B48DFE@hiwaay.net> I've received a snail mail notice of the auctioning of the "Norm Flayderman Collection of Vintage Aviation Memorabilia" consisting of over 800 lots and emphasizing WW1 stuff. Stuff includes a JN-4 for those who prefer their models 1 to 1 scale and don't feel motivated to build their own. The notice gives the web site as http//:www.butterfields.com . I took a look, but apparently the catalog won't be up until around Nov. 1. The auction is scheduled for Nov. 14. I'm not a collector myself, but I know some of you are, and I hope this is of potential interest. I am curious to find out what the collection contains. Eli ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:58:50 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Squasta Message-ID: <200010201505.LAA15969@minion.netpolicy.com> :-) Different.... now that's a kind and carefully-worded choice! :-) We are an interesting bunch, for certain! And yes, Dave's version of how we got our name is quite correct. I can't remember who suggested Squasta -- Might've been E.? Sharon ---------- > << Now, one question: what is a Squasta???????????Sounds > like Jasta Daffy Duck!!!!! >> > > The Washington-area list members were talking about getting together, and > someone started referring to them as the Washington Jasta. Someone > expressed the preference for "Squadron" instead - they split the difference > and adopted the name "Squasta" > > The Washington bunch is sort of.... well..... different. :-) > > Dave Z > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:15:46 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI List meeting in Gaithersburg, Maryland Message-ID: <200010201522.LAA17106@minion.netpolicy.com> Yes, I can highly recommend Cyg as Excellent Company(tm). And it's always nice to meet folks from the list! Sharon ---------- > And he doesn't pee on the floor! A most gracious guest! All you people out > there- if Cyg is making a personal appearance in your town- please have some > sort of get-together- excellent company. > RK > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:16:43 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) Message-ID: <000001c03aa8$c20fb560$fa0101c0@grahamh> -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of TomTheAeronut@aol.com <> Tom Morgan is building the BM DH2 right now and frankly he may as well call it a scratch build. The only kit part he is using are the wings, but these had the dreaded ripple and have been extensively redone. Wings were also to wide in cord and to thick. Sorry Tom C. but there was at least one DH2 that wasn't good. Regards, Graham H. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:38:53 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI List meeting in Gaithersburg, Maryland Message-ID: <200010201545.LAA18151@minion.netpolicy.com> Cyg wrote: > I want to tell you and the rest of the list that Sharon & I had a terrific > time. Sharon let me talk and oooo'ed & ahhhhad and all the appropriate > times - I was completely charmed! ;-) :-) That's very kind! And I must say, I was charmed as well -- and for those wanting to know, the conversation went back and forth between OT and theology. We had a fun time! > I have come to really loathe the act of traveling. What used to really hurt > was being a stranger in a strange land. With our little community here in > cyber space, there are now more often than not, friendly faces at my > destination. It makes things a lot easier. I want to thank all the list > members who have kindly taken me in and allowed me to spend time with them > on my travels. It really means a lot. Plus the conversation is almost > always OT! :-) Yes, knowing someone in a strange town is always a much happier thing than being the complete stranger. I've had the pleasure now of meeting several list folks, and look forward to more; not a dud amongst us! :-) (If I do say so myself.... ) Sharon ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 08:40:19 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Albatros DVa vs DV Message-ID: <20001020154019.14585.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> Hi all According to the Sqadron book the differences bettween the DV and DVa are: extra bracing wire from the nose small bracing strut attached to front of V strut fairing over the MG belt return is that it? Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:47:17 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: , Subject: Re: Albatros DVa vs DV Message-ID: I think one of them has external aileron cables, but I can't recall which. KA >>> albatros1212@altavista.com 10/20/00 10:45AM >>> Hi all According to the Sqadron book the differences bettween the DV and DVa are: extra bracing wire from the nose small bracing strut attached to front of V strut fairing over the MG belt return is that it? Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:57:30 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Albatros DVa vs DV Message-ID: <001801c03aae$745dd1c0$2b39183f@cyrixp166> There was a control wire difference as well. The D.V had its aeloron (sp?) control wires routed through its upper wings. The D.V reverted to the lower wing route as in the D.III. I think the other difference were internal. Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Miller To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Albatros DVa vs DV > Hi all > According to the Sqadron book the differences bettween the DV and DVa are: > extra bracing wire from the nose > small bracing strut attached to front of V strut > fairing over the MG belt return > > is that it? > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! > http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 09:02:26 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Walter Boning DVa color scheme Message-ID: <20001020160226.14473.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> The title page spred of the osprey Albatros book shows a picture of Walter Bonings DVa I'm thinking I might like to use this scheme on the virtual Dva and I have a couple of questions the coat of arms - the text states that the square is red and yellow - what is the background color? The blue and white checkerboard - any hint as to what shade of blue? are the wings standard mauve/green anything else I should know? btw almost done with the Leptien scheme - as per Bob's profile Thanks for the sugestion Dale I have to stop fooling around with color schemes and finish the thing TIA Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:24:50 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Tom's Diplomatic Skills (!) Message-ID: <000101c03ab2$4584e1a0$fa0101c0@grahamh> -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of TomTheAeronut@aol.com <> Sorry Tom but CSM does several kits that BM does. Dolphin, Snipe and Phalz for starters. And you sure don't have any ripple to deal with on Eric's kits. Eduard does the Roland, and far better. Regards, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:29:37 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sounding off & BM Defense Message-ID: <72.4102f56.2721ccf1@aol.com> In a message dated 10/19/00 10:17:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << Yeah, and I wanna build a Harry Tate from wood shavings, a hedgehog, and some duct tape. Should be a winner! ;-) DB >> You reading my mind again? I guess this could be considered "Xtreme Modeling"...the really scary part is after I read this posting my mind started to drift off and ponder just how would one do as you've written.....hmmm....... RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:36:20 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: RE: Expectations Message-ID: <20001020164623.DDAQ18890.fep01-svc.swip.net@default> I'm going to solve this problem by changing to 1/36 scale! /Neil Shane wrote: It's worse than that. Now *I* wonder where the good scratchbuild subjects will come from. You know the ones - reasonably well known aircraft, no decent kit available or likely, moderately plentiful references - kinda like the Biff :-( Shane ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:40:53 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: Re: Toms diplomatic skills. Message-ID: <20001020164628.DDAS18890.fep01-svc.swip.net@default> I was going to write that I won't be buying anything from BlueMax/Pegasus until they have this problem sorted out, but I just remembered that I've already ordered the Pegasus SPAD XII. I'll have to modify that to "I won't buy so much". I have had 2 pegasus kits, a very early Supermarine Spiteful which was unbelieveably bad, but 20 years ago so we can forget that, and the Junkers D1 which is nice, but I have a Pheonix(IIRC) vacuform which is nicer. Anyway I think a group email is a good idea, just make it polite, and may I suggest that we only send one email, it's very irritating to get your whole mailbox full, we can just send a mail to the list saying that we want to have our names added to the email, that should be enough. I'm not sure Chris Gannon reads the list, so I think we should at least let him know he's getting a lot of bad press. /Neil ---------- ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2734 **********************