WWI Digest 2723 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Needed!!!! Vote by JVT7532@aol.com 2) The New AvUsk by "Lance Krieg" 3) Re: PD MODELS by "Ken Acosta" 4) Re: Aeroclub FE.2b by Todd Hayes 5) Re: The New AvUsk by "Matt Bittner" 6) Next Cookup Vote by Kenneth Hagerup 7) Re: Another RNAS DFW Biplane (Not 154) by "Len Smith" 8) Hit kit by "Neil Crawford" 9) What the Hell...was Re: New cook-up preferences - report by "DAVID BURKE" 10) Blue Max Disappointment by "Patrick Gilmore" 11) Re: New ccokup images by "DAVID BURKE" 12) RE: What the Hell...was Re: New cook-up preferences - report by Shane Weier 13) Re: What the Hell...was Re: New cook-up preferences - report by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 14) Anybody have his new address? by "Jim Landon" 15) Re: Blue Max Disappointment by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 16) Re: Blue Max Disappointment by Todd Hayes 17) Re: Photo Etch and eyesight by "Nigel Rayner" 18) Re: Rigging Techniques by Shellbygt500kr@aol.com 19) New cook-up preferences - report by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 20) Re: OT at Modeling Madness today by "Lyle Lamboley" 21) Re: Propagteam Albatros Decals? by "Otis Goodin" 22) Blue Rider Oef sheet by "Otis Goodin" 23) Re: Blue Max Disappointment by Dan 24) Calling all Aussies by "Dale Beamish" 25) Re: Propagteam Albatros Decals? by "Dale Beamish" 26) Re: Roland D.II by Ernest Thomas 27) RE: Blue Max Disappointment by "Ray Boorman" 28) Flurry of Renwal on ebay by Zulis@aol.com 29) Re: Blue Max Disappointment by Dan 30) RE: Blue Max Disappointment by "Ray Boorman" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:17:55 EDT From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Needed!!!! Vote Message-ID: <7a.b75dcf0.271ca053@aol.com> Well, here I sit trying for the life of me to get this landing gear lined up on my Albatros D.lll without going crazy. I am having one heck of a time with the metal gear I received from Dale. Anyone have a best way to mount these? I was thinking of drilling and pinning them, any thoughts about this. On another note, I have received Barry's Roseplane, excellent S.E.5a resin update kit for the Revell 1/72 S.E.5a. Now what was common kit is a bit tough to find around here all of a sudden, anyone have a kit their willing to part with? I sure would be grateful, I do have my eye on one on ebay if the people don't go crazy. As to the vote, well I like both and have a few kits of each subject in my pile, I would like to do a Sopwith I think. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:26:03 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: The New AvUsk Message-ID: Is it just me, or is the new site for Aviation Usk damn near unusable for 404 errors trying to get to the various pages? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:31:22 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: , Subject: Re: PD MODELS Message-ID: Spad sheet #1 (Luke) in 1/48. KA >>> copperst@sd.amug.org 10/16/00 01:14PM >>> ken, which spad sheet and what scale. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:34:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aeroclub FE.2b Message-ID: <20001016193417.62874.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Witold, There's an excellent currency converter at, www.xe.net/ucc/ TH --- Witold Kozakiewicz wrote: > Todd Hayes napisa³(a): > > > > E, > > > > Aeroclub is about ready to release their 1:48 B.E. > > kits > > Hi > I've just received newsletter from MisterKit: > Aeroclub 1/48 plastic kits > K444- BE-2c > 95.000 > K445- BE 2e > 95.000 > K446- BE-12a > Novità > K447- BE-12b > Novità > Prices in Italian lire > That is smething I was waiting for. > And back to main subjet, Hannants still has Fe.2 in > their catalogue. > -- > Witold Kozakiewicz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:39:48 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: The New AvUsk Message-ID: <200010161942.MAA12168@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:31:10 -0400 (EDT), Lance Krieg wrote: > Is it just me, or is the new site for Aviation Usk damn near unusable for 404 errors trying to get to the various pages? I haven't had any problems, but I also haven't tried the entire site. Send me what the problems are, and I'll contact them direct. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:16:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Hagerup To: WWI List Subject: Next Cookup Vote Message-ID: <387779831.971727421069.JavaMail.root@web731-wra.mail.com> I'd like to add another vote for Sopwith. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:36:56 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Another RNAS DFW Biplane (Not 154) Message-ID: <000201c037b0$26b2d5c0$df857ed4@mesh> David, I would much appreciate any further information your friend turns up. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fleming" Thanks Len, > > One of my friends has been digging about in Beardmore stuff, must give him a > call...... > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:35:12 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: Hit kit Message-ID: <20001016204019.BBLX28522.fep03-svc.swip.net@default> I asked about the Hit Kit Spad 81 &61 a while back, I just received them, and I think they are excellent, really nice work. I also got the A-models Sukhoi Su26 /acrobatic, and that was much worse, more like old novo kits. To get back to OT, I got the aeroclub vickers m/g that I need for my Ni28, they were better than the last ones I ordered, odd that they were vary so much. I ordered two sets, one set was better than the other, strange! Also recently I got that french book L'aviation maritime francaise pendant la grand guerre, that was discussed here during the spring. I think its very good, but I think you need to be rather a francophile to really think its worth 30 odd pounds. I also bought the Squadron DH2 book which left me vaguely dissatisfied. /Neil Nb Ni28 Nr Richard Hillary The last enemy Np Knopflers latest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:23:09 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: What the Hell...was Re: New cook-up preferences - report Message-ID: <000301c03796$916f81c0$3082aec7@com> O.K., so we're all going bananas over the idea for a new Cook-Up. As I have already been counted as a Sopwith supporter, I guess that my input is redundant. I did dig out my CSM Snipe (yes, a future Barker machine). I also dug out my 1/28 Camel. However, my esteemed and semi-respectable, well, partially respec, well, Ernie brought up an interesting point: why limit the Cookup to A/C? I have a couple of FT-17 kits, and if there are enough ships to do, why not explore all possibilities? Or I'll just get to work on my Snipe. DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:40:35 -0400 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: "WW1 Mailing List" Subject: Blue Max Disappointment Message-ID: <00e201c037b9$b8c883c0$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> Recently got two BM kits recently and I am really disappointed with the wings as they have the notorious "ripple" effect on the trailing edge. I thought this had been remedied as the last BM kit I bought had perfect wings. This wouldn't be so big a problem to me but I really hate sanding off the great rib tape detail to get smooth trailing edges. Does anyone know if BM is willing to send replacement parts or are you stuck with what you get? Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:18:17 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: New ccokup images Message-ID: <000201c03796$836c2a60$3082aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fleming" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 3:39 AM Subject: Re: New ccokup images > > > TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/15/00 0:11:03 AM EST, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: > > > > << In the meantime, I'm gonna order me a Aeroclub FE.2b. >> > > > > Good luck - they are long OOP at Aeroclub, who doesn't even advertise them > > anymore. Get it where you can - and if you can build it with two kids > > running around, you'll have no problems with vacs. > > > > Are you sure Tom ? - it's in the current Aeroclub catalogue . > > DF > Again Folks, I just got one from Hannant's. Try them! DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:52:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: What the Hell...was Re: New cook-up preferences - report Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621B30@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> DB says: > However, my esteemed and > semi-respectable, > well, partially respec, well, Ernie brought up an interesting > point: why > limit the Cookup to A/C? I have a couple of FT-17 kits, and > if there are > enough ships to do, why not explore all possibilities? Umm, I take it you're just catching up on the list? Alan raised the idea over a week back, and Ernie three days back - with responses (in the affirmative) from about 10 listees (or about 12 including two of your personalities ;-) I've already started a WW1 non a/c subject in anticipation of the cookup taking pace about 12 months out. I figure 18 months should be enough for me to get *started* something :-( Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:58:09 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What the Hell...was Re: New cook-up preferences - report Message-ID: Howdy! >O.K., so we're all going bananas over the idea for a new Cook-Up. Speak for yourself! Some of us are going avacados.... Er, anyway I'm still plugging along with the original Cookup. The lower wings were attatched to Balatre's black mount last night. I'll be rigging after painting the radiator. Speaking of painting I'm going to give Dilthey's fuselage a coat of white paint tonight. Weather and energy level permitting. The point to this tangent is that the next cookup is moot for me at this point. There's no way I'm going to get another cookup kit done in time for this one. Call me next time we build Central Powers aircraft. Later! Brent nb: The above mentioned Albies nl: Iron Maiden (puts me in the mood for armor) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:09:24 GMT From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Anybody have his new address? Message-ID: Hi guys, The message below to Randy Ray bounced. Anybody have his new address or other info? Jim Landon (Still not re-subscribed) --------------------------- From: Jim Landon [mailto:James.D.Landon@lmco.com] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 3:39 PM To: rjray@lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com Subject: Dr. Jim Parks Hello, I was just looking at the photos on page http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Photos/Ger/Fok_DVII/index.html I was startled to read your text accompanying your Fokker DVII pics. I spotted the name Dr. Jim Parks. Then I spotted Jefferson County Airport. Then I spotted Wings Over the Rockies Aviation and Space Museum. I am a volunteer at Wings Over the Rockies. I have met Dr. Parks and his son Andy. If you get this, tell me where you live and how you came to know all this. Jim Landon Denver CO _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:15:51 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max Disappointment Message-ID: <9c.82d6685.271cd817@aol.com> In a message dated 10/16/00 4:38:57 PM EST, petrov26@home.com writes: << Does anyone know if BM is willing to send replacement parts or are you stuck with what you get? >> http://wwwlpegasusmodels.com He has a reputation for replacing defective parts, but you may have to wait awhile. There is no "rememdy," since the company (i.e., Mr. Gannon) refuses to take advice from people who actually know what they are talking about - according to David Hannant, he gets really snotty when you mention production quality to him with a solution in-hand. When I mentioned this problem in an earlier review, he suddenly stopped providing review copies. As I have said before, low-pressure injection-molding of plastic is a job so easy I have seen actors hired for the day do it to make pen holders at auto shows, with never a mistake after about 20 minutes of instruction. The ripple comes from pulling the mold out too soon. (How hard is it to read a clock??? How expensive to buy a bloody timer????) As I discovered with the Dolphin, of four list members who had the kits, the "ripple" was in the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer on mine (while the wings were fine), two others each had ripple in two wings and not in the tail, and one had ripple in all four wings. In other words, 100% of the surveyed kits were defective; if even one out of four was defective, that would be more than anyone should accept. At US$42.50/kit (if you buy at SMO) this should be enough money to somehow "insure" a bit of quality. I was lucky with the Nie.28 and the D.H.2 and the Snipe, each of which were ripple-less. And for some reason I have never seen the ripple in one of his Camel kits. Unfortunately, it's for this reason that I can never give a blanket recommendation of Blue Max kits as being quality for the money. Even when Eduard were doing their early kits, they didn't screw the pooch like this. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max Disappointment Message-ID: <20001016221935.88797.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Patrick, What BM kits are they? TH --- Patrick Gilmore wrote: > Recently got two BM kits recently and I am really > disappointed with the > wings as they have the notorious "ripple" effect on > the trailing edge. I > thought this had been remedied as the last BM kit I > bought had perfect > wings. This wouldn't be so big a problem to me but I > really hate sanding off > the great rib tape detail to get smooth trailing > edges. Does anyone know if > BM is willing to send replacement parts or are you > stuck with what you get? > > Patrick Gilmore > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:43:08 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Re: Photo Etch and eyesight Message-ID: <001401c037c2$76ace7c0$a258883e@w1o0t3> Lance wrote: >Can't speak to your mental health, but your eyes could stand improvement! Mental health is going downhill fast as I try to finish the Albatros..... And getting even worse when I see Nieuport losing in the vote. As for eyes, see below.... >The floor-mounted compass, with its separate rose, is just above the seat, below the >double-buckled seatbelt, and to the right of the prop bosses. I still can't see it!! I think the answer may be it's on the 1/48 sheet but not the 1/72. Lance, do you have the 1/48? Please say yes, 'cos if it's the 1/72 sheet then I'm definitely barking. On mine, the prop bosses are between the two seat etchings. To the right of them is some lacing or some fuselage hand holds (depending which way you look at it). Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:44:10 EDT From: Shellbygt500kr@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rigging Techniques Message-ID: <42.c02afa1.271cdeba@aol.com> I've never tried the technique you described, but it does sound feasible. I don't know if anyone uses anything unusual for rigging, but I use something a friend in Germany gave me to try out because he was mad about the stuff. It's some type of rubbery elastic thread that sells in German fabric shops. You have to be careful not to overstretch it though because it will cause the struts to misalign or possibly break. It's a little thick for 1/72, but spot on for 1/48. It's white in colour so it has to be painted prior to installation. I've considered dyeing it Dk. grey but don't know if it will work. Does anyone else use something other than wire, thread, or sprue? If so, what? Also, although I have loads of elastic thread I worry that someday I'll run out. I no longer live in Germany and my friend has passed away so he can't send me more and that's the only place I've seen it. Has anyone seen this stuff and where can you get it? Cheers, Mark Van Osdol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:55:08 -0700 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: New cook-up preferences - report Message-ID: <002301c037dd$48798f00$132c57d8@unionrai> Latest report, Sopwith has scored four since last report, Nieuport none. So who's going through my mail box and saw I'd just received Blue Max N.28? for once I thought I' d be ahead of the game....beautiful kit; if one is looking for something simple this one fits the boat. Received my two Liberty engines for the DH10 (a winter project) from Roll Models today so now back to the fuselage. Have the interior painted in a medium wood color with model railroad wood shapes acc'd in to replicate the interior framing. The only plus I've found on the old Aurora kit are the rib stations are in the right place. Everything else I've compared to the GA drawings has been off; fuselage too long, nose completely wrong, cockpit has strange indentations running along it. Wings, tail and rudder have to be cut down and sanded. Am figuring as obscure as this a/c was I don't have to worry about Eduard or others coming out with one after finished this one. Received the Air-Britain DH4/DH9 File last week - highly recommended. Would love to see this series (DH4/DH9/DH9A) done up properly in 1/48th. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:07:38 -0400 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: Subject: Re: OT at Modeling Madness today Message-ID: <001a01c037ce$49556de0$b5dcd73f@lylelamb> Tom, First-class modeling of a really striking scheme. I can think of only one photo showing the whole plane; it's that panoramic shot of JGII with this one in the foreground. The Aeromaster lozenge looks pretty good, surprisingly; I've been turned off when looking at it still on the sheet. Perhaps in concert with the fuselage colors does it become more harmonious than by itself. I think the rustic hangar photo creates the right mood for the subject... Is Martin on the list? Lyle ----- Original Message ----- > http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/ww1/sczed7.htm > > Martin Sczepan did a beautiful model of Josef Veltjens' D.VII with the DML > kit. Check it out. > > Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:51:36 -0500 From: "Otis Goodin" To: Subject: Re: Propagteam Albatros Decals? Message-ID: <002201c037d4$67709600$f0720141@wllmsn1.tn.home.com> I don't know, but you can get Stropp decals from IPMS Spruce Goose, 929 Jasmine Circle, Costa Mesa, CA 92626 for only $4 per sheet. Otis ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:54 AM Subject: Propagteam Albatros Decals? > The August SMO flyer had a listing for Propagteam Albatros D.V Decals > 8-KPA48101 Jasta 62, 4, 46, 5 & 19 in 1/48. Does anybody know if "Stropp" > marking are included in this? > > Regards, > Cyg. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:14:45 -0500 From: "Otis Goodin" To: Subject: Blue Rider Oef sheet Message-ID: <000501c037d7$a3178da0$f0720141@wllmsn1.tn.home.com> I received the new Blue Rider Oef booklet and decal sheet. The booklet contains a few photos and B/W profiles of 143 different Oef aircraft. The book comes with a decal sheet with colorful markings for 15 different aircraft. Cost was $25, and it seems well worth it to me. I got mine from Hobbies West in Houston, TX, but SMO has them as well. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:39:35 -0400 From: Dan To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max Disappointment Message-ID: <39EBBBE6.C7D725CA@mindspring.com> TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/16/00 4:38:57 PM EST, petrov26@home.com writes: > > << Does anyone know if > BM is willing to send replacement parts or are you stuck with what you get? > >> > > http://wwwlpegasusmodels.com > > He has a reputation for replacing defective parts, but you may have to wait > awhile. Hmm, I thought there was a production run of "x," then the kit was discontinued, which would imply the buyer is SOL if he's toward the end of the queue. Unless there's a warehouse somewhere in the UK filled floor to ceiling with BM spare parts - imagine that! > > (SNIP) > > Unfortunately, it's for this reason that I can never give a blanket > recommendation of Blue Max kits as being quality for the money. Even when > Eduard were doing their early kits, they didn't screw the pooch like this. Not to mention having to pay extra for the lozenges. That's one of the main reasons I've held off on buying one of the BM kits (apart from the ripple). The thought I'd have to fork over an additional $15 or so for the upper and lower lozenges if I wanted to get them from Pegasus just doesn't appeal. Suddenly I start to remember how much I get from Eduard for my money - lozenges, PE, resin, great fit (recently, anyway), so on and so forth. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:37:24 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Calling all Aussies Message-ID: <005501c037e4$63c06c00$702eb8a1@darcy> Here's a question for ya! According to the book "High Adventure" it states that the signs for Cobby's Camel were placed above and below the Chaplin figure. Is this correct? I can't find a picture that shows them this way. Was the writing " Caution it is dangerous to lean out of the windows " and " Please don't spit " together on the same plaque? Does anyone have any idea what the actual writing and plaque looked like? Photo of the replica at Perth maybe? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:44:59 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Propagteam Albatros Decals? Message-ID: <005701c037e4$69df7fe0$702eb8a1@darcy> Otis > I don't know, but you can get Stropp decals from IPMS Spruce Goose, 929 > Jasmine Circle, Costa Mesa, CA 92626 for only $4 per sheet. Any fit problems with these? The Propagteam set is off. Better to paint the striped tail. Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:03:27 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roland D.II Message-ID: <39EBC17E.58225ACF@bellsouth.net> Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com wrote: > Howdy! Hello, > Ah HA! So you finally admit that you are afraid of a kit! I admitted no such thing. That's your interpretation. > I knew it! Go hug a root. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:11:01 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Blue Max Disappointment Message-ID: At the risk of opening a can of worms. (Nope not even going there). Dan wrote >Hmm, I thought there was a production run of "x," then the kit was discontinued, >which would imply the buyer is SOL if he's toward the end of the queue. Unless >there's a warehouse somewhere in the UK filled floor to ceiling with BM spare >parts - imagine that! He still has the molds, its not like he destroys them. When you're cottage industry and BM is, its easy to mold an extra set of wings if you have to. Since wing ripple is common I would suspect he molds more than he needs to as well. Btw I had to get some replacement parts and BM sent them after a phone call took about 6 weeks or so. >Not to mention having to pay extra for the lozenges. That's one of the main >reasons I've held off on buying one of the BM kits (apart from the ripple). The >thought I'd have to fork over an additional $15 or so for the upper and lower >lozenges if I wanted to get them from Pegasus just doesn't appeal. Suddenly I >start to remember how much I get from Eduard for my money - lozenges, PE, resin, >great fit (recently, anyway), so on and so forth. Sorry Dan as far as I am concerned Eduard Loz are as bad as no loz, as in buy aftermarket that don't look like they can be used for halloween. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:14:16 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Flurry of Renwal on ebay Message-ID: <94.acc16fd.271d1e08@aol.com> Greetings! Dont know if they are worth the price or not (currently at $30 for the bunch) but someone is selling six Renwal Aeroskin kits on ebay. Just a heads-up for any list member who has been looking for these. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=464851920 Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:26:14 -0400 From: Dan To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max Disappointment Message-ID: <39EBC6D6.58793A08@mindspring.com> Ray Boorman wrote: > At the risk of opening a can of worms. (Nope not even going there). > > Dan wrote > > >Hmm, I thought there was a production run of "x," then the kit was > discontinued, > >which would imply the buyer is SOL if he's toward the end of the queue. > Unless > >there's a warehouse somewhere in the UK filled floor to ceiling with BM > spare > >parts - imagine that! > > He still has the molds, its not like he destroys them. When you're cottage > industry and BM is, its easy to mold an extra set of wings if you have to. > Since wing ripple is common I would suspect he molds more than he needs to > as well. Odd - you'd think that if what Tom says is correct (and I have no reason to doubt him on this), BM would have learned it saves time and money to just do em right the first time. But hey, what do I know? > > > Btw I had to get some replacement parts and BM sent them after a phone call > took about 6 weeks or so. > > >Not to mention having to pay extra for the lozenges. That's one of the > main > >reasons I've held off on buying one of the BM kits (apart from the ripple). > The > >thought I'd have to fork over an additional $15 or so for the upper and > lower > >lozenges if I wanted to get them from Pegasus just doesn't appeal. > Suddenly I > >start to remember how much I get from Eduard for my money - lozenges, PE, > resin, > >great fit (recently, anyway), so on and so forth. > > Sorry Dan as far as I am concerned Eduard Loz are as bad as no loz, as in > buy aftermarket that don't look like they can be used for halloween. > No problem. I'd be happy to take them off your hands. Really! :) They're not perfect, this is true. But I must say, at least they're included, not an expensive add-on that may not even be available. I just checked the website, and the Pegasus 1/48 lozenges are OOP at the present time. That rather leaves the buyer in the lurch, I would say. I really do think that at the price, you should not be required to go elsewhere for items required to complete the model. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:53:12 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: Blue Max Disappointment Message-ID: Dan wrote >-----Original Message----- >From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Dan >Odd - you'd think that if what Tom says is correct (and I have no reason to >doubt him on this), BM would have learned it saves time and money to just do em > right the first time. But hey, what do I know? True, but if he only gets say 20 returned out of 1600 or so, I would say it might be more cost effective to just fix the returned ones. At some point he will have to improve on quality control, but this will only be if everyone returns bad parts (Usually they don't). Of course if you look at say a Junkers DI compared to a Bristol Fighter you would have to agree he has improved quality a few hundred percent. But its buyer beware at the time you buy the model, if you don't think you can fix the problem then return the parts. or buy from Eduard if they bring that particular Aircraft out. >They're not perfect, this is true. But I must say, at least they're included, >not an expensive add-on that may not even be available. I just checked the >website, and the Pegasus 1/48 lozenges are OOP at the present time. That rather >leaves the buyer in the lurch, I would say. I really do think that at the >price, you should not be required to go elsewhere for items required to complete >the model. You can get decent Loz from Americal Grython. They are in production and the address is on Allan's website I believe. Ray ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2723 **********************