WWI Digest 2709 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Laced Fabric by "Matt Bittner" 2) Re: ot : Another one gone by Glozc@aol.com 3) ot- wisecrack: Re: SPAD VII cockpit info by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 4) Re: ot : Another one gone by "Matt Bittner" 5) Enough / was: ot : Another one gone by "Michael Kendix" 6) RE: Laced Fabric by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 7) RE: Enough / was: ot : Another one gone by "Gaston Graf" 8) Re: SPAD VII cockpit info by "Candice Uhlir" 9) sign off by "Gaston Graf" 10) Re: Next Cookup. by Zulis@aol.com 11) Re: sign off by "Ken Acosta" 12) Re: sign off by "Tom Solinski" 13) Re: ot : Another one gone - ACES by solvista 14) Re: Attaching that second wing....... by "Nigel Rayner" 15) Re: Enough / was: ot : Another one gone by MAnde72343@aol.com 16) Meeting Aces by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 17) Re: ot : Another one gone by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 18) Something new from Eduard by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 19) Re: Enough / was: ot : Another one gone by "DAVID BURKE" 20) Re: SPAD VII cockpit info by "DAVID BURKE" 21) 1/8 Scale Clerguet? by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 22) Re: 1/8 Scale Clerguet? by "Dale Beamish" 23) Re: SPAD VII cockpit info by "DAVID BURKE" 24) Re: Seeking Jasta 30 Albs & Pfalzs by "Stefen Karver" 25) Re: 1/8 Scale Clerguet? by "DAVID BURKE" 26) Re: 1/8 Scale Clerguet? by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 27) Re: 1/8 Scale Clerguet? by "Michael S. Alvarado" 28) Re: Rigging Techniques by "Otis Goodin" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:38:18 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Laced Fabric Message-ID: <200010102038.NAA29349@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:38:39 -0400 (EDT), Graham Hunter wrote: > How about this insanity provoked process for straight fabric lacing > (Sopwith). This is for 1/48... if it was done in dinky scale I would truly > be in an insane asylum somewhere ;-) This is a perfect example of Dicta Dennis! ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:43:13 EDT From: Glozc@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot : Another one gone Message-ID: In a message dated 10/10/0 12:30:17 PM, TomTheAeronut@aol.com writes: << Krupinski joined the BundesLuftwaffe and had a long career in NATO. >> His total score was 196: Polish, French, Dutch, Belgian, British, Czech, American, Russian. No other ace could say that. First score was September 1, 1939, last was April 24, 1945 >> Are those his totals for enemy aircraft - or women and children he strafed? Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:18:15 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: ot- wisecrack: Re: SPAD VII cockpit info Message-ID: Howdy! Matt mentioned: >Gee, I sound like a broken record: I say: You realise you are showing your age here? People five years (give or take) younger than you will have no point of reference to that statement. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:53:18 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: ot : Another one gone Message-ID: <200010102053.NAA08855@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:48:23 -0400 (EDT), Glozc@aol.com wrote: > Are those his totals for enemy aircraft - or women and children he strafed? STOP! Please, keep the discussions on topic! Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:52:42 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Enough / was: ot : Another one gone Message-ID: >From: Glozc@aol.com >In a message dated 10/10/0 12:30:17 PM, TomTheAeronut@aol.com writes: > << Krupinski joined the BundesLuftwaffe and had a long career in NATO. >> >>His total score was 196: Polish, French, Dutch, Belgian, British, >>Czech, >>American, Russian. No other ace could say that. First score >>was >>September 1, 1939, last was April 24, 1945 > >Are those his totals for enemy aircraft - or women and children he > >strafed? Isn't this getting off-topic, in a number of directions I might add? This is a discussion for a different list. Remember mates, it's WWI models! Unless anyone wants to talk about ZiL-157's and then that's fine:) Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:54:50 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Laced Fabric Message-ID: Howdy! I'm not this anal but... >Next time I try this method I will glue the strip to the fuselage and then >drill the holes and thread... Why not just thin the fuselage down? Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:10:55 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Enough / was: ot : Another one gone Message-ID: Micheal, did you read the initial post??? IIRC it was said that Kupinski was a WW1 pilot !!! Is that OT or not??? I think it's a bit excaggerated to rate a message ot only because it is mentionned in it that a former WORLD WAR ONE PILOT later in his career was also a WWII pilot and then a Bundesluftwaffe officer. Geeeeezzzzzz........ Just imagine what would have happened it Manfred von Richthofen or Oswald Boelcke would have survived WW1. Wouldn't they have made a brilliant Luftwaffe career in WWII??? I think with the leadership of either of those men instead of the incapacity of Hermman Göring the Germans probably would have won the Battle of Britain. regards Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Michael Kendix > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Enough / was: ot : Another one gone > > > >From: Glozc@aol.com > >In a message dated 10/10/0 12:30:17 PM, TomTheAeronut@aol.com writes: > > > << Krupinski joined the BundesLuftwaffe and had a long career in NATO. > >> > >>His total score was 196: Polish, French, Dutch, Belgian, > British, >>Czech, > >>American, Russian. No other ace could say that. First score >>was > >>September 1, 1939, last was April 24, 1945 > > > >Are those his totals for enemy aircraft - or women and children he > > >strafed? > > Isn't this getting off-topic, in a number of directions I might add? > > This is a discussion for a different list. Remember mates, it's WWI > models! > > Unless anyone wants to talk about ZiL-157's and then that's fine:) > > Michael > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:13:26 GMT From: "Candice Uhlir" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SPAD VII cockpit info Message-ID: Matt said to check out the site so..... Here is URL for the same photo.....Guynemer's SPAD 7 http://www.mae.org/images/mae188.jpg Candice >From: "DAVID BURKE" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: SPAD VII cockpit info >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:03:06 -0400 (EDT) > >Ohh, that would be nice to get ahold of, if it wouldn't be much trouble! > > >DB >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Candice Uhlir" >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:50 AM >Subject: Re: SPAD VII cockpit info > > > > If you are doing Guynemer's SPAD 7, I have a great full color shot of >that > > aircraft from the Musee d'Air in a gift book I bought during my visit >there. > > It shows the Spad 7 starboard side looking down from the cowling of >the > > engine from a slightly elevated angle. > > > > Candcie > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:25:39 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: sign off Message-ID: Folks, I'm sorry to say that I will sign off the list for a while. My reason is simply that I will not be able to cope up with all the messages coming in from 3 mailing lists in the coming months because I started with the theorie lessons of my private pilot license today. Courses will be held each Monday and Wednesday until next May. Because I also have a lot of work to finish on my house, because I have a much demanding job and a family which needs my attention too other things must wait. No modelling, no mailing lists, no computergames (except but for general aviation flightsims). It has been a pleasure to fight with some of you sometimes ;o). If anybody wants to contact me I am always available through my website or at ggraf@vo.lu I will consider to resign again after things calmed down a bit, perhaps when the work on my house will be done. sincerely Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:32:36 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Next Cookup. Message-ID: <14.a2153c8.2714e4f4@aol.com> << I think scale is a factor in this When you work in 1/72 you can make a lot more models because it takes much less time - so you can afford to be more adventurous and make multiple schemes and oddball variants >> I think the 1/72 masters are spending every bit as much time on their models as the 1/48 guys.... just different challenges. However, I would agree with your conclusion for different reasons - most 1/72 kits are less expensive than a similar quality kit in 1/48, so one can afford to buy/build a bit more freely in 1/72. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:38:02 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: , Subject: Re: sign off Message-ID: Enjoy the flying lessons. Learning to fly is one of my proudest and most memorable accomplishments. Of course, that may change when I have a kid or two one day..... KA >>> ggraf@vo.lu 10/10/00 04:29PM >>> Folks, I'm sorry to say that I will sign off the list for a while. My reason is simply that I will not be able to cope up with all the messages coming in from 3 mailing lists in the coming months because I started with the theorie lessons of my private pilot license today. Courses will be held each Monday and Wednesday until next May. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:44:34 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: sign off Message-ID: <000801c03303$47eff300$12330e18@Solinski.okc1.ok.home.com> Blue up Green/Brown Down! Best of luck and LOTs of fun Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:52:19 +0100 From: solvista To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot : Another one gone - ACES Message-ID: > > I was wondering: has anyone on the list had contact with or met an ace? Group Captain Peter Townsend (George Cross) Gen Adolf Galland (they were consultants on a Battle of Britain project I created/painted) >He flew the well-known P-51 "Detroit >Miss," but I just can't think of his name at the moment, Lt. Urban Drew. (I also painted the action you described re: Me 262s) Better get back on topic . . . . . :) PAJ www.paj-art,net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:06:29 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Re: Attaching that second wing....... Message-ID: <000701c03306$e2bafee0$8643883e@w1o0t3> As a newcomer to this sport, I'd have to say this is the most trying (and exciting?) part of building a biplane. I've found rigging to be far less of a challenge than I thought it would be, but getting that top wing is always a voyage into the unknown (for me at least). Here's a couple of thoughts based on my experiences: - First, what are the interplane struts? Moulded "V" struts (eg Albatros, Nieuport) or straight struts (that can easily be replaced with Strutz, bamboo, whatever if you need to). If the former, I would recommed attaching the interplane struts first. If the latter, you can choose (interplane or cabane) based on the answer to the next question.... - Second, how are the cabane struts attached? Are they vertical (eg BE2) or angled (eg Albatros)? If the former, I'd attach the cabane struts first. If the latter, I'd attach the interplane struts first (even if they're straight struts). I tried to attach the cabane struts first for my Eduard Albatros and, even though that is a beautifully engineered kit, there was no way I could get those suckers to sit parallel (when viewed from the top) because the curvature of the fuselage threw out the alignment. Also, angled cabane struts (like the Alb) don't provide a very strong anchor point by themselves. - Whichever struts go on first, I use tube polystyrene cement to attach them. This gives a strong bond but a nice setting time so you can adjust them. Two options now: a) Interplane struts first. Attach the interplane struts to the *top* wing first. Use plans to get the alignment correct - if they are angled (eg Pfalz DXII), cut a cardboard template and attach with Blu Tak (sticky, putty-ish stuff) to set the struts at the right angle. If they are single struts, you may need templates for left-right and forward-back angle alignment. Attaching them to the top wing is far easier - you can then just place the struts in the holes on the lower wing to check alignment and trim as needed. If there are no predrilled holes, wait til you've got the struts on the top wing and use these as a guide to drill holes in the lower wing. Then attach the top wing to the lower using a strong glue (I like tube cement, of course assuming an injected kit!). Once this has set, attach the cabane struts in their lower locations using white glue. This allows you to manouevre the cabanes into position on the top wing into pre-drilled holes. I then flow CA into the bottom and top location points to fix these in place. I find that sometimes the cabanes just won't mate with the location holes on the top wing. This happened on my Alb - one matched perfectly, the other missed the holes by about 1mm. So I just CA'd it where it fell and filled the original holes. I guess this is something to do with wormholes in the spacetime fabric or the fact I'm not very good at this yet, but whichever, this approach worked for me! b) Cabanes attached first. I have to admit I haven't tried this, but it is the plan for my BE2. This should be straightforward (famous last words). Attach the cabanes. Place top wing, trim cabanes as necessary, glue in place with tube cement and then attach interplanes 1 by 1. As you've probably seen from other posts, there are *many* ways to skin this particular cat. Use the ideas that look good to you and keep trying until you find a method that works for you. Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:14:06 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Enough / was: ot : Another one gone Message-ID: There is speculation among historians, that had MvR survived, Germany might have been less chaotic politically: the Weimar republic might have lasted, and ex corporal Sicklegruber, and his friends, would have been only a nasty footnote in German history. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:53:01 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Meeting Aces Message-ID: I wish I had been working at NASM a short period of time before I did, because when I started Ray Brooks had stopped coming by to visit his SPAD. I did meet the fellow who learned to fly in NY but did not get to France before Armistice Day. - That was at Frank Ryder's last event... He was 100+ and went for a DH-4 (replica) ride. But I did get to work next office over from Paul Garber and Don Engen, and Don Lopez I see all the time. I saw Don Lopez talking to some A-10 pilots from Barksdale at an airshow once, and as he walked away they were "talkin' some trash". I asked them if the older guy had told them he flew a sharkmouth P-40. They said "yeah, him and every old guy who comes along." I said "He did - have you seen the painting of the P-40 ramming the Japanese plane head-on?" "Yes" (I think a copy hung in their O club.) "That's him - that was his first victory on his way to ace." They were dumbfounded... Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:04:09 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot : Another one gone Message-ID: In a message dated 10/10/00 3:46:03 PM EST, Glozc@aol.com writes: << Are those his totals for enemy aircraft - or women and children he strafed? >> I don't think we need to start that nonsense that went on at r.m.s. over Sakai's death here. If you think you need to, perhaps you should un-sub here and subscribe over there with the rest of the noodle-brains. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:06:50 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Something new from Eduard Message-ID: <63.c2ebf68.2714fb0a@aol.com> I am not going to go into a detailed review of the new Eduard Airacobra received here today, but I will note that this kit can easily go toe-to-toe with the latest Tamiya and Hasegawa ot releases. For us, it hopefully portends a whole new level of production quality and detail for the upcoming OT releases. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:14:05 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Enough / was: ot : Another one gone Message-ID: <001f01c0330f$cbf486a0$b881aec7@com> Gaston pondered: > Just imagine what would have happened it Manfred von Richthofen or Oswald > Boelcke would have survived WW1. Wouldn't they have made a brilliant > Luftwaffe career in WWII??? I think with the leadership of either of those > men instead of the incapacity of Hermman Göring the Germans probably would > have won the Battle of Britain. > I doubt it. They probably would have shot themselves like Udet did. DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:10:57 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: SPAD VII cockpit info Message-ID: <001e01c0330f$cb237b00$b881aec7@com> Ahh, Matt, I DID check the site. What is it under? I looked at your French list, and didn't see right off where to look. I'll try again. If you woulda piped up a bit earlier and said 'There's pics on the Site', I woulda looked again. But I did try once, and didn't see any. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:14 PM Subject: Re: SPAD VII cockpit info > On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:03:06 -0400 (EDT), DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > Ohh, that would be nice to get ahold of, if it wouldn't be much trouble! > > Gee, I sound like a broken record: > > B-E-S-U-R-E-T-O-C-H-E-C-K-T-H-E-S-I-T-E > > Thought you would like it spelled out. ;-) > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:19:38 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 1/8 Scale Clerguet? Message-ID: Howdy! Didn't Hasegawa make a 1/8 scale model of the Clerguet that was separate from the Camel kit? I'd like to get my hands on one of those now. I hope this one isn't as easy to find as the Fokker D.VII! That was somewhat embarrasing. Thanks! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:29:00 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: 1/8 Scale Clerguet? Message-ID: <005d01c03311$f7b26c60$b42cb8a1@darcy> > Didn't Hasegawa make a 1/8 scale model of the Clerguet that was separate > from the Camel kit? I'd like to get my hands on one of those now. I hope > this one isn't as easy to find as the Fokker D.VII! That was somewhat > embarrasing. DVII? DVII? Where? :o) Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:18:03 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: SPAD VII cockpit info Message-ID: <004a01c03313$33725520$b881aec7@com> > Matt said to check out the site so..... > > Here is URL for the same photo.....Guynemer's SPAD 7 > > http://www.mae.org/images/mae188.jpg > > > Candice Thank You Very Much! That's a real beauty of a shot, and I'm sorry to seem like such a dunderhead, Matt. DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:10:31 -0400 From: "Stefen Karver" To: Subject: Re: Seeking Jasta 30 Albs & Pfalzs Message-ID: <015d01c03306$ea15ee20$056dd6d8@stephen> Shane-- In response to this query, Dan-San Abbott replied as follows: ___________________________ I will try to be concise in my response. 1.Individual pilots began applying identification markings in 1915 to their Fokker E.I machines, i.e. Uffz.ricard Dietrich's Fok. E.6/15, "Habricht" with a hawk painted on the fuselage sides. 2. Unit marking began with the marking of wheel covers on Fok.E.III and E.IV machines, LVG C.I& C.II aircraft. Another example was painting the rudders black on the Fok.E.types in Army Detachment Gaede. In 1916 unit markings were adopted by the KAGHOLS which also included individual aircraft identification such as LVG C.I from KAGHOL 1, with IV.1 which identifies the machine as aircraft IV from KAGHOL 1 The aircrews markings was a black and yellow diagonal band painted on the sides of the fuselage. 3.With the establishment of the Jasta from the KEK and Fokker Staffeln more definitive and colorful personal markings began to appear, usally in the form of an initial, Jasta 1 and 2. In the case of Jasta 5 they used numbers. In the period from February-March 1917 the Jasta marking really began, an example is Jasta 11 and the machines being marked in red to emanate MvR. It was largely the Jastafuhrer's artistic sense and ego that set the patterns for the Jasta. An example was Jasta 37 under Oblt. Kurt Grasshof introduced the black and white diagonnaly striped tailplane on the Albatros D.III about March-April 1917, and the pilot's continued to use their individuals markings in black and white designs and patterns carriede forward from their Rol. D.II In September 1917 when Ltn. Ernst Udet assumed command of Jasta 37, he soon added the black overpainted fuselage. 4.There were generally two events that resulted in the change of Jasta and personal markings: A. Change of Jasta leader. An example under the predecessor's of Oblt.Richard Flashar,Jasta 5 used numbers and capital letters to identify individual aircraft and there was no Jasta marking. When Oblt Flashar assumed command in July 1917 he introduced the distinctive markings of Jasta 5, red nose, white inverted chevron on the upper wing, red bordered green empennage. The indidiual markings became the pilot's initials painted under the lower wing panels and his personal device painted ion the fuselage sides. Jasta 5 went through a change when Oblt. Otto Schmidt assumed command. Unfortunately I don't know what the Jasta color became but it was painted on the nose of some of the machines. I have in my Catalog identified 68 of the 81 Jasta markings in part or in whole. In some cases, Jasta 12 maintained the same colors and patterns through out their existance with slight changes to accomodate the change in aircraft and and or the Jagdgeschwader Kommandeur. B. Change of aircraft. This was the lesser reason for change. 5. By 1918 all types of units had adopted some form of unit and/or personal marking. THe Schlactstaffeln became as colorful as the Jasta. Dan-San Abbott ________________ I think we are all on the same page, basically, with respect to the general outlines. My question had a very specifi ulterior motive, s it were, with respect toBertrab's machine, and, to a lesser extend, Voss' triplane. Regards, Stef ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:09 AM Subject: RE: Seeking Jasta 30 Albs & Pfalzs | Stef comments | | > As the | > Jasta were just in | > the process of being formed in the Spring, I am beginning to | > think that | > consistent use of unit markings only occurred as a consequence of the | > example of JG1 and the leadership of MvR in the mid- to late | > Summer of '17. | > Thoughts? | | I've been interested in WW1 aircraft in a moderately intense manner for | about 25 years now. Way, way beack when I started I was given to understand | that the first German "fighter" aircraft tended to be unmarked at all - it | being reasonably obvious who was who when they were allotted in penny | packets to 2-seater formations - but that when the Jastas were formed the | *individuals* started marking their aircraft, partly as a means of | personalising their aircraft, then as a way to identify their comrades as | formatiosn got bigger. In so far as their were any *unit* markings during | this period, it tends to be things like usiing similar "typefaces" for | letters, maybe only. dictated by the Jasta painter/signwriters taste. Other | methods were things different shaped bands of different coloured tails. | | *Unit* distinctions like similarly marked tails only really started to | spread when formations got large enough to make it necessary to distingusih | between Jastas - when JG-1 was formed. And even then, the unit markings | were dictated not by HQ but at JG level - look at the way JG-2 markings | changed when the leaders changed - or Jasta level. | | In short - as this theory is at least as old as my interest (and probably | *much* older), you surely seem to have discovered it again | | Shane | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ********************************************************************** | The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is | intended only for the use of the addressee(s). | If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or | copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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If you want, I'll look for one for you in New Orleans. They're usually 10-15 dollars. DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:45:35 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/8 Scale Clerguet? Message-ID: Ooops! >DVII? DVII? Where? :o) The 1/28th variety. Sorry! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:52:08 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/8 Scale Clerguet? Message-ID: <39E3ABA8.A1F3021C@bellatlantic.net> Hasegawa made two versions of the 1/8 scale Clerget 9b kit, one was injection molded plastic the other was cast metal. The injection moulded kit had all the engine accessories included (carburetor, magnetos, magneto gears, air inducton pipe). What was truely extraordinary is that when the cast metal engine was hung on the Hasegawa 1/8 Sopwith Camel model, the model balanced perfectly at the prototype center of gravity location. mine hung proudly in my apartment until a drunken ex-roomate archied it with a flak beer bottle. Sentai hobby distributors had the metal Clerget kit available until recently you may be able to get one from them if you can get around their wholesale only policy. Alvie Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com wrote: > Howdy! > > Didn't Hasegawa make a 1/8 scale model of the Clerguet that was separate > from the Camel kit? I'd like to get my hands on one of those now. I hope > this one isn't as easy to find as the Fokker D.VII! That was somewhat > embarrasing. > > Thanks! > > Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:30:31 -0500 From: "Otis Goodin" To: Subject: Re: Rigging Techniques Message-ID: <00e801c0331a$77197fe0$f0720141@wllmsn1.tn.home.com> Another reason it doesn't work is because when you attach the top wing, the stress on the struts changes the alignment slightly, usually causing the rigging to go slack. It is really expecting too much to be able to calibrate the spacing of the struts that exactly, plus rigin after attaching the wing gives you the opportunity to get the rigging very tight, providing extra strength to the model. Bottom line: Don't do it!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 9:34 AM Subject: Rigging Techniques > > > Hi Folks, > The questions on how people do the upper wings is great...I am also curious how > other folks do this...I have another one, perhaps a little crazy, but has anyone > tried aligning and gluing the wing and fuselage struts in place, not gluing the > upper wing and then RIGGING without the top wing in place!! Just curious, as I > was thinking of trying this..... > > Regards, > John > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2709 **********************