WWI Digest 2705 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: New cook-up preferences by Allan Wright 2) RE: Ernie's pup by "dfernet0" 3) Re:Cleaning a future finish by "Neil Crawford" 4) Re: Scratchbuilt Figure Modellers by Glozc@aol.com 5) Re: New cook-up preferences by "Paul E. Thompson" 6) The difficult bit by "Neil Crawford" 7) RR Eagle rotation again by "Neil Crawford" 8) Re: Next Cook Up by "Nigel Rayner" 9) Re: Next Cook Up by Zulis@aol.com 10) Re: Datafile Line Drawings by Peter Leonard 11) Re: New cook-up preferences by Peter Leonard 12) Re: Gabriel's Fok DVII 286 Profiles? by smperry@mindspring.com 13) Next Cookup. by "Len Smith" 14) Re: Next Cook Up by "Dale Sebring" 15) OT cook-up question was: New cook-up preferences by "Mårten Tyllström" 16) Re: Gabriel's Fok DVII 286 Profiles? by "Bob Pearson" 17) Eduard Fokker DVIII by NodalPoint@aol.com 18) Re: Eduard Fokker DVIII by "Ken Acosta" 19) Re: Copying slides by Eric Hotz 20) Apologies was: Eduard Fokker DVIII by "Ken Acosta" 21) RE: New cook-up preferences by Shane Weier 22) Re: Eduard Fokker DVIII by "DAVID BURKE" 23) RE: New cook-up preferences by Shane Weier 24) Re: New cook-up preferences by Shellbygt500kr@aol.com 25) Re: New cook-up preferences by Shellbygt500kr@aol.com 26) Re: Lothar's Tripe by "David Calhoun" 27) New cook-up preferences by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 28) Re: SPAD VII cockpit info by "David Calhoun" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:10:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New cook-up preferences Message-ID: <200010091810.OAA01664@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > > Al's polling program doesnt seem to like my computer... but whenever the > > final tally is taken, please add me to the Sopwith camp. I'll bump it 1 for you... =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:08:19 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Ernie's pup Message-ID: <03cf01c0321b$e7d6e560$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Well, if the sopwith cookers are majority and I decide to go along with that, at least I know on wich paint scheme I'll do a Pup. D. > Ok. You do the blue, I'll do the black. > E. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:12:04 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: Re:Cleaning a future finish Message-ID: <20001009182239.XWE1694.fep03-svc.swip.net@default> Here's one I forgot to send, so I can also add that Ajax window cleaner works as thinner for Future. I imagine its the same as Windex. Someone else has probably answered this already, but just in case. I made a hash of a tailplane when applying future/klear, and all I needed to do was to wipe it off with Ajax window cleaner. The tailplane was painted with humbrol, and that wasn't affected in the slightest. I'm not sure if this would work so well with acrylics. If you daren't use window-cleaner, then I agree with Matt, use very fine sandpaper (over 1000 grit at least). /Neil ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:22:57 EDT From: Glozc@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scratchbuilt Figure Modellers Message-ID: <50.bdcca4d.27136701@aol.com> In a message dated 10/9/0 12:45:05 PM, dcalhoun01@snet.net writes: << small French cannon with 3 crew that would go great with a French 75mm. (anyone make one in 1/35th?) >> RPM Poland does. Jadar carries them as well as, I believe, Hannants. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:21:22 +0200 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New cook-up preferences Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20001009202014.00ac98a0@pop.xs4all.nl> Time to take the plunge. Sopwith! Paul Thompson. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:25:37 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: The difficult bit Message-ID: <20001009183046.YYB26716.fep02-svc.swip.net@default> I took some giant strides with my tiddly Ni28 this weekend. I glued on the top wing, and started decalling. The decalling caused me to finally decide which one to do, I chose the boring one, Captain Eddies No.1, I'm a little strait-laced about fancy paint jobs, and after all it is the most famous one. I found the best Hat in Ring was on an old sheet of "finishing touch" decals, they must be nearly 30 years old, and looked all cracked and tired, but they worked perfectly. I'm now enjoying myself cutting up microscale-decals to get a correctly shaped "1" with a red shadow. Here is my way of putting on the top wing, this is the "after the battle" version, in reality the top wing fell off at stage three, and the whole thing turned into an orgy of swearing, glueing and throwing out the cat who wanted to get involved. Perfectly normal in other words, and I'm writing this so as I might (just) remember it for the next time. The dreamworld version: 1. Glue the carbane struts to the fuselage with ordinary plastic cement. 2. Glue the top wing to the carbane struts with epoxy. Glue the front interplane struts in place with epxoy. Prop up the wing fore and aft so everything sets straight. 3. Trim the rear interplane struts to the correct length and snap into place. Glue with a small blob of CA. 4. Go over the rest of the joints with CA, for safetys sake. Add any other interplane struts at this stage. Time for drying is of course necessary between steps. Next time I'll try that;-) Any suggestions for improvements? /Neil From: jrcs@earthlink.net To: thegreatlandoni@hotmail.com, IT13.NEIL@MEMO.VOLVO.SE Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:15:59 -0700 Subject: Props Hi, Gents Yes, I'm still here, just been hideously busy with work, of all things. I've been reading and enjoying all --thanx for keeping me in the loop-- but haven't had the time to answer. On to Show and Tell: The jpeg shows both sides of one prop blade with all of the "stair steps" sanded off. Everything seems to have worked out as planned except that some of the layer contours near the hub are a bit off. Even though I've already corrected these in the design file, I'm not inclined to start over and, since the main problems are on the back anyway, I'm hoping a little wood filler will retreive the situation. The tricky part will be to find a filler that'll stain the same color as the wood. Suggestions welcomed. Back to work (groan!) -j ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:45:48 +0200 From: "Neil Crawford" To: Subject: RR Eagle rotation again Message-ID: <20001009185050.BDER29411.fep04-svc.swip.net@default> In the latest Windsock, which I finally received, there is a good table on RR Falcon and Eagle. According to this, and if I've understood correctly, odd numbered engines turn right, and even numbered engines turn left. The same applies to Falcons. For Eagles it says "The number of left and right hand tractors is equal throughout all series of Eagles" For the Falcon nearly all were Right hand tractors, but 62 were left hand tractors. This makes me wonder why they did this, and also which aircraft had left hand Falcons? /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:23:00 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Re: Next Cook Up Message-ID: <002601c03226$f8aff100$0fee883e@w1o0t3> Hi all, Just some suggestions for the next cook up: - Let's finish this one first. There are still lots of unfinished models out there (mine inlcuded) and I suggest we get this one properly finished before we start worrying about what to do next. This has been a great project, and I think we should have some time to savour it before we rush into the next one.... - I suggest that Cam Riley be the arbiter of completion of the cook up, since he's doing all the hard work on the web site - and a fantastic job too! AFAIK, there is no "official" completion date. September was the guide date. - The cook up site is a *huge* amount of work. I suggest whichever mad, misguided but well intentioned person takes responsibility for the next cook up site should be the custodian of the vote. I'd propose that when that person (and if it's Cam, I think he might like break after the Alatros cook up!) is ready to set up the site, we *then* vote on the subject matter. After all, it could be 3 to 6 months by the time the next one kicks off, so by that time our preferences may have changed. Just some suggestions. But if they are not adopted, I'd better just say Nieuport in case! Cheers, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:30:22 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Next Cook Up Message-ID: <15.a3bb908.271376ce@aol.com> Nigel writes: << - Let's finish this one first. There are still lots of unfinished models out there (mine inlcuded) and I suggest we get this one properly finished before we start worrying about what to do next. This has been a great project, and I think we should have some time to savour it before we rush into the next one.... >> I agree. In the first round of "next cookup" discussions, many people suggested or endorsed the idea that the next one would have a target date no sooner than next spring. Of course, nothing is carved in stone and opinions may have changed, but this still sounds about right to me. << - The cook up site is a *huge* amount of work. I suggest whichever mad, misguided but well intentioned person takes responsibility for the next cook up site should be the custodian of the vote. I'd propose that when that person (and if it's Cam, I think he might like break after the Alatros cook up!) is ready to set up the site, we *then* vote on the subject matter. After all, it could be 3 to 6 months by the time the next one kicks off, so by that time our preferences may have changed. >> An excellent point. However, on the other hand, some gung-ho types might want/need to start working on their project long in advance, so it might be worthwhile to pick the subject early. Mind you, starting early didnt help this particular modeller get his 'tross done on time... but I hope I am the exception. My suggestion would be to select the project now, with a tentative end date at the end of March 2001 (which would put the projects six months apart). Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:35:17 +0100 From: Peter Leonard To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Datafile Line Drawings Message-ID: <39E21DF5.684727B8@cwcom.net> Gotta have my twopennyworth here. These days I model to what I like to call "Datafile Standard", so when asked to master the CSM DVII bits I naturally went to my DF,s. Ian Stair has published two DVII drwings for the DF and the special plus another in Wingspans "Fokker Fighters" and all three are different. I looked at all the photos and eventually took details from all three. Checking various drawings for different projects over the years I have also found some of the 1/48 ones slightly under scale and some others (not Stairs) look as though they are based on the Aurora kits. None of the above is intended as criticism as RLR has done as much as anyone to advance our hobby over the last twenty years, but we should check our references. Cheers Peter L John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > I really like the Datafile series. They are also an invaluable resource for > us (Passchendaele). > > However like all references, the user should be wary. These things are done > by good researchers, but occasionally a few things slip by. One only needs > to look at the addendums that got issued in Folker Fighters & the > corrections that occasionally get issued in subsequent Datafiles. These are > the errors that they decide to correct immediately. > > There are "significant" differences between the GA draings for the Albatros > D.II in Albatros Fighters Datafile Special & Albatros D.II Datafile #11. > These caused us a lot of grief and anxiety over the second set of D.II molds > and product. It really got down to checking published specs from different > sources (not easy to find) and going with the "majority rules method". Yeah > I know, there are errors in this field that have been propagated for years > this way, so it doesn't mean we are right. I does mean that we are > consistant with the literature (and that our mold were correct ;-p). > > Stair put a disclaimer on the Albatros Fighters D.II GAs that these drawings > supecede his previous ones (Datafile #11). Well okay. I don't like > changes, but he is the artist and has the right to make them without > consulting me. I just wish all the the changes that were made were correct > and gave us the last word in D.II GAs. Unfortunately, I don't think this is > the case. > > Irritable Mode Off! > Have a nice Day > John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:53:19 +0100 From: Peter Leonard To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New cook-up preferences Message-ID: <39E2222F.475A4771@cwcom.net> added my Sopwith vote on Al's page cheers Peter L TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/9/00 10:16:23 AM EST, aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: > > << I don't know if this > thing checks to see of you vote more than once, so you're on your honor. >> > > Sounds like it's time to follow the old American tradition: vote early and > often!! :-) > > TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:21:47 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Gabriel's Fok DVII 286 Profiles? Message-ID: <005701c0322e$8db04dc0$52f3aec7@default> > G'day, List-- > In addition to Rimell's profile in "The Circus" and Bob Pearson's watercolor > on his site, who else has rendered Gabriel's machine, and where Stef: There is a photo and a color profile in the Profile Publications #25. If you dont have it, send me an Off List snail address for a Squizzy sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:20:14 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Next Cookup. Message-ID: <003201c0322e$77eed880$4d867ed4@mesh> Greetings, I have just done an unscientific and rapid survey of the current cookup. Results are one each CV, DI, DIV, W4 and two each Dr1 and DII. The remaining 90+% are DIIIs and DV or Vas. To me this result is most disturbing. I do not profess to know how many different types Albatros made, but I am sure it must be more than nine. A quick look at any list of available kits shows many more than this, even if most are resins and in 1/72 scale. And yet most modellers prefer to stick to the same three types. Is the spirit of adventure dead in the modelling world? Look at any of the photo pages on Alan's site or any of the listee's own pages and the same aircraft (not necessarily Albatros) appear time and again, with a few notable exceptions. Beautiful models, well built,superbly painted but done to death. I do not know or really care which manufacturer will be chosen for the next cookup, I will quite happily build either. There is more variety of Sopwiths available, but Nieuports are (or can be) prettier. But whichever is chosen may I make a heartfelt plea for everyone to be a bit more adventurous. Soap box/rant mode off, now I will retire to a couple different Scotches. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:47:57 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Next Cook Up Message-ID: <001f01c03232$535aff40$b2b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Rayner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Next Cook Up > Hi all, > > Just some suggestions for the next cook up: > > - Let's finish this one first. There are still lots of unfinished models out > there (mine inlcuded) and I suggest we get this one properly finished before > we start worrying about what to do next. This has been a great project, and > I think we should have some time to savour it before we rush into the next > one.... > > - I suggest that Cam Riley be the arbiter of completion of the cook up, > since he's doing all the hard work on the web site - and a fantastic job > too! AFAIK, there is no "official" completion date. September was the guide > date. > > - The cook up site is a *huge* amount of work. I suggest whichever mad, > misguided but well intentioned person takes responsibility for the next cook > up site should be the custodian of the vote. I'd propose that when that > person (and if it's Cam, I think he might like break after the Alatros cook > up!) is ready to set up the site, we *then* vote on the subject matter. > After all, it could be 3 to 6 months by the time the next one kicks off, so > by that time our preferences may have changed. > > Just some suggestions. But if they are not adopted, I'd better just say > Nieuport in case! > > Cheers, > > Nigel Ditto, Dale S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:21:03 +0200 From: "Mårten Tyllström" To: Subject: OT cook-up question was: New cook-up preferences Message-ID: <012a01c03236$d82378c0$31c443c3@default> Datum: den 9 oktober 2000 17:30 Ämne: Re: New cook-up preferences >Ok all you Sopwith-er's, lets get some more votes in so we can avoid a >possible Nieuport filibuster. If I vote for a Sopwith cook-up. Would a Swallow be OT or not ? Mårten / not that good aviation history ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:12:15 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gabriel's Fok DVII 286 Profiles? Message-ID: <200010092147.OAA14707@mail.rapidnet.net> As a little aside that was the very first profile I did back in May 1989. Prior to that I had two hardbound books with blank pages that I had b/w pencil profiles in, but I wanted to see them in colour, so on a whim I purchased a special binder for 5x8 file cards and decided to try painting the profile on a file card. 36 binders and 1400 profiles later . . .. Bob ---------- >From: "Stefen Karver" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Gabriel's Fok DVII 286 Profiles? >Date: Mon, Oct 9, 2000, 9:54 am > > G'day, List-- > In addition to Rimell's profile in "The Circus" and Bob Pearson's watercolor > on his site, who else has rendered Gabriel's machine, and where? If not > posted somewhere on the Web, scan(s) will be much appreciated. > TIA and regards, > Stef ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:12:28 EDT From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Eduard Fokker DVIII Message-ID: Hi, Any opinions on Eduard's 1/48 DVIII kit? Where might I be able to find some profiles for this A/C? TIA, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:29:39 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: , Subject: Re: Eduard Fokker DVIII Message-ID: It's one of Eduard's earlier releases, so it's kinda rough in comparison with, say, the ProfiPack Pfalz D.IIIa. If you're interested, I'm willing to part with my Flashback kit of the E.V, which is identical to the D.VIII. The Flashback release includes some resin and PE parts and has nice markings for the machines of Stefan Stec and Theo Osterkamp. $18 plus shipping makes it yours. Lemme know- Ken >>> NodalPoint@aol.com 10/09/00 05:17PM >>> Hi, Any opinions on Eduard's 1/48 DVIII kit? Where might I be able to find some profiles for this A/C? TIA, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:40:33 -0700 From: Eric Hotz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Copying slides Message-ID: A while back I was putting together a portfolio mailer in full color and ran into a small problem. I work as a graphic artist/illustrator. I had a painting I painted that I really wanted in my new mailer. The problem? All I had was a slide of the painting; the client had the original painting and but they hadn't scanned the piece yet. What to do? I tried just throwing the slide onto my scanner (an HP 3C Scan Jet, about 10 years old). This is just a good flat bed scanner. I scanned it at 600% size, at 200dpi (linotronic setting) with millions of colors selected. I took the scan down to the local service bureau and had a proof made on a 400dpi Regal Laser Copier (a high end laser copier). The result was great, but I just couldn't get the people at the service bureau to believe me when I told them that I just scanned it off a slide using my desk to, flat ben scanner -- they said that it simply wasn't possible. The trick is to use Photoshop to make the color corrections, and to up the brightness and contrast (also helps to get rid of dust spots), but this is all very easy and quick. --- Eric Hotz +-------------------------------------------------------+ HOTZ ARTWORKS-ILLUSTRATION & DESIGN Phone & FAX: (604) 619-6925/E-mail: mailto:erichotz@direct.ca Suite 110-19567 Fraser Hwy, Surrey, BC V3S 9A4 Canada Website: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/2778/index.htm +-------------------------------------------------------+ Math illiteracy affects eight out of every five people. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:43:55 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Apologies was: Eduard Fokker DVIII Message-ID: When I hit "SEND" on my last post, I forgot briefly that it was to the entire list. My apologies. KA >>> NodalPoint@aol.com 10/09/00 05:17PM >>> Hi, Any opinions on Eduard's 1/48 DVIII kit? Where might I be able to find some profiles for this A/C? TIA, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:12:47 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New cook-up preferences Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621B02@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Dave > I am being opressed!!! > Worse, you're being disenfranchised Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:20:11 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Eduard Fokker DVIII Message-ID: <002001c03247$8eb27220$9f82aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 5:18 PM Subject: Eduard Fokker DVIII > > Hi, > > Any opinions on Eduard's 1/48 DVIII kit? > > Where might I be able to find some profiles for this A/C? > > TIA, > Steve Hi Guy, Ken Acosta is correct. However, if you haven't bought the kit yet, and really want to do a D.VIII, look for a DML kit instead. I still see them around, and they're a real simple build with alot less cleanup than the Eduard kit. DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:25:23 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New cook-up preferences Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621B03@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hi Al, > Hi everyone. Let's put a little technology to use. Check out the news > page on the website. Cast your vote on the survey. I don't > know if this > thing checks to see of you vote more than once, so you're on > your honor. > A good idea - but where did the "Fokker" option come from? When this was discussed before I thought we pretty well decided that the cookup should switch to an Entente type for the next round. Not that it matters a damn, since the fix, as they say, is in. There are 61 votes to date, about twice as many as the number of folk who've actually expressed an interest on list and probably twice as many votes as the number of listees who will take part. (OR....we have non list visitors to the web site who'd like us to produce a cookup page for their reference, rather than let us choose the subject for our own enjoyment which, if so, would be flattering but disconcerting) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:44:59 EDT From: Shellbygt500kr@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New cook-up preferences Message-ID: <51.1dada27.2713b27b@aol.com> Whatever the bug is that's interfering with Dave's ability to cast his vote is causing grief with my system as well. Please be so kind as to cast a vote for me in the Nieuport camp. Thanks, Mark V. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:49:43 EDT From: Shellbygt500kr@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New cook-up preferences Message-ID: <21.1efb928.2713b397@aol.com> O.K. That explains his problem, but I want a Nieuport so I'm still trying to figure that one out. Mark Van Osdol The Mad Flying Dutchman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:01:18 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Lothar's Tripe Message-ID: <002e01c03266$5e4977e0$4f3c3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi John, Concerning Lothar von Richthofen's Fok. Dr.1 454/17, the following is from Dan San Abbott's drawing: Factory finish olive streaking over CDL with Turquoise undersurfaces, red cowl & struts, olive brown cross fields on upper wing (showing narrow white outlines around black iron cross). Fuselage is yellow over olivebrown on the cross fields with narrow white outlines. The rear fuselage aft of the DR.I stencil is yellow, as are the tailplane & rudder ( with white outlined cross). As to my question about the yellow upper wing Dan answered me in a letter dated 24 May 1994: "This representation of a yellow upper wing is the result of wishful thinking by Alex Irmie in his book "The Fokker triplane". A detailed censure of his "photographic interpretation as fact" appears in WINDSOCK INTERNATIONAL Volume 8, No. 6 Nov./Dec.1992. His ego has gotten in his way. There is photographic proof ( in "Der Kampfflieger Lothar Freiherr von Richthofen", opposite page 48.) clearly shows the upper wing was camouflaged in a streaked finish on 13 March 1918 when he crashed and destroyed this machine. NO, it was not yellow!" This sounds like the same story as the Voss cowl, and yellow was stated by the same person! Dave Calhoun ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 6:54 AM Subject: Lothar's Tripe > > > Hi Folks, > Does anyone know of a fairly reliable source for the scheme of Lothar von > Richtofen's triplane??? I would like to do his...I think I am going to change my > Next Cookup Vote to Fokker, Fokker!!! > > Regards, > John > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:58:18 -0700 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: New cook-up preferences Message-ID: <002201c0325d$cecc0b80$9d2c57d8@unionrai> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C03222.E2D10580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I ordered a Nieuport 28 from Blue Max last month and have a half = finished Eduard N.17 in the basement - put me down on the Nieuport side. = Can't wait for the television debate on this election Charlie ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C03222.E2D10580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I ordered a Nieuport 28 from Blue Max last month and = have a=20 half finished Eduard N.17 in the basement - put me down on the Nieuport=20 side.  Can't wait for the television debate on this = election
Charlie

------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C03222.E2D10580-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:24:01 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: SPAD VII cockpit info Message-ID: <006b01c03269$8a296f20$4f3c3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Dave, The cockpits are similar, common motormount/seat mount and shelf that holds the instruments but the Spad 7 has 2 large drums to hold the ammo for the single Vickers and the second to rewind the empty belt. the first one is between the firewall and the instrument panel, the rewind one is on the pilot's left behind the seat. These drums are round and about 2-3 feet across. I have drawings someplace from the Lonestar Spad 7, but don't know where they are at this time. Dave Calhoun ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID BURKE" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 8:34 AM Subject: SPAD VII cockpit info > Hi Y'all, > > Figured I'd ask this again - are there major differences between the > SPAD VII and XIII cockpits? Or do they look fairly similar? I have XIII > pics, but no VII shots. All help is appreciated - this JGMT kit is a jewel, > but I'm gonna add the Eduard instruments to it and my SPAD A.2. Both are > coming along and I'm filling pinholes. However, there aren't many. > > > DB > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2705 **********************