WWI Digest 2693 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Club Displays by "Gaston Graf" 2) Re: Well deserved plug; AEROPLANE BOOKS ROCKS!!! by NodalPoint@aol.com 3) Fokker DVII? by "Dale Beamish" 4) Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? by "Limon3" 5) Re: Junkers J.I by "Limon3" 6) Re: Well deserved plug; AEROPLANE BOOKS ROCKS!!! by Ernest Thomas 7) Re: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? by "DAVID BURKE" 8) RE: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? by Shane Weier 9) Re: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? by MAnde72343@aol.com 10) RE: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? by Shane Weier 11) Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 12) Unsubing by BStett3770@aol.com 13) Re: The Voss deal-BS by Mike Kavanaugh 14) Gotha Ursinus by Zulis@aol.com 15) Re: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? by Mike Kavanaugh 16) Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? by Marc Flake 17) Re: Club Displays by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 18) Re: Fokker DVII? by Mike Kavanaugh 19) RE: Club displays by Shane Weier 20) Re: Well deserved plug; AEROPLANE BOOKS ROCKS!!! by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 21) Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? by "Jack Gartner" 22) Re: Club displays by Dan 23) Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? by "Jack Gartner" 24) Quality of Emhar figures? by "Edward Swaim" 25) Re: Well deserved plug; AEROPLANE BOOKS ROCKS!!! by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: New review at Squadron by Mike Kavanaugh 27) Enjoying the list was Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? by Shane & Lorna Jenkins ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:38:11 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Club Displays Message-ID: Mark, may I correct some errors of yours? The Dr1 serials was ending /17 so MvRs Dr1 was 425/17, not 18. Also he flew F102/17, not FI103/17 and scored two kills with it before Kurt Wolff was shot down while flying this aircraft. regards Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Mark Shannon > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:41 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Club Displays > > > Actually, you've got about a dozen fighter (scout) planes > documented for MvR, and some with evolving markings. From memory > (always dangerous) > An Albatros D.II, nothing special about its markings, in which he > shot down Hawker. > A Halberstadt D.II, which may have been red, > At least two Albatros D.III with red fuselages, > Three or four Albatros D.V and Va, with various portions red such > as red upper wing, spinner, and tail up to the national markings > on the fuselage, or just a wide red band on the rear fuselage, or > more overall red. > And then there were his triplanes. F.I. 103/17, no special > markings, DrI. 127/17, with a creeping level of red in action > reports, but not well documented pictorially, DrI. 152/18, with a > red cowl, struts, tail up past the fuselage markings, upper wing, > and wheel hubs when he flew it regularly, but eventually painted > overall red with white rudder, and DrI.425/18, his death machine, > red overall except for white rudder, crosses roughly painted out > to Balkenkruez. > > In addition, he apparently borrowed a Jasta 6 triplane (I believe > DrI. 525/18, on a aerodrome tour that was well photographed, so > he is connected with one black/white-striped-tail bird. Who > knows what others he flew on casual basis. Then there are the > Albatros two seaters he flew or flew in when making formal calls > on Berlin or on his convelescent leave, the AEGs he flew as > observer, maybe others that he borrowed from the Jasta pool when > his personal mounts were being serviced, without combat reports, > training aircraft, etc. and you have the typical run of any air leader. > > If only MvR weren't so over-hyped in the public conscious, it > would be an interesting and informative club project. > > Now, it you were to do another ace, like William Barker, you > would not have many planes, but you could have the evolution of > its markings. > > Bishop, Guynemer, Ball, Collishaw, Barracca, Linke-Crawford, and > Brumowski -- you could get a lot of other interesting displays > somewhere in between. Unfortunately, only a few of the general > public would recognize the characters any more. Now Nungessor, > there would be an interesting one, how many of his aircraft ended > up on the scrap heap after relatively few flying hours? > > .Mark. > > Jim Hudson wrote: > > >Manfred flew other planes besides the triplane, didn't he? How about a > >display entitled "The Planes Richtofen Flew." > > >If I were a betting kind of guy, I'd bet most people who even know who > >MvR was don't know that he flew anything other than a red triplane. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:19:33 EDT From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Well deserved plug; AEROPLANE BOOKS ROCKS!!! Message-ID: <31.b094509.270e5875@aol.com> Do you have an address, phone number, or URL for Aeroplane books? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:34:43 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Fokker DVII? Message-ID: <003f01c02f1c$906b1320$6c32b8a1@darcy> OK I'm starting to crack .... what other kits are available in 48 scale and just how bad are they? No one know of a source for the DML? Anyone want to part with one example? PLEASE? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:56:45 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? Message-ID: <000801c02f1f$8a0d6840$3abf113f@f4w2s5> Jack, Glad I could be of help to you. BTW I admire your work very much, and know that you'll do real justice to "Dilthey." Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Jack Gartner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Limon3 >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:48 AM >Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? > > >> Dilthey's machine was finished in the Saxon colors of green and white, >which >> were a very bright green. I saw the color represented on a Saxon state >flag >> from Germany, but can't remember the source. >> Gabe > >Gabe, > >Thanks very much! I'll return the favor. I checked on the Internet and >found the following > >http://fotw.digibel.be/flags/index.html > >It is a website for all of the worlds flags, past and present, and sure >enough, Saxony is in there. It looks like the Emerald Green I'm planning to >use will be a very close match! > >Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 >diaphus@tampabay.rr.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:59:46 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Junkers J.I Message-ID: <001901c02f1f$f555b3a0$3abf113f@f4w2s5> Bob, Better check your references, you may have an unexplainable (yellow) spot on the J.1 :-} Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, October 05, 2000 1:29 AM Subject: Junkers J.I >Does anyone have one of these they would like to trade for some 1/48 Eduard >kit? Either scale is fine as long as it is half decent .. I'm thinking of >scratchbuilding one, but can't quite get motivated to begin. I figure the >corrugations are a perfect candidate for embossing the other side. > >Bob > >PS .. I'm working on J.I profiles right now. . for those who have the >Datafile, take a look at pg22 .. the 'non-white colour above the rudder >cross' is SHADOW from the upper wing. > >PPS my cat is helping me by reading the references with his butt .. amazing >how cats seem to find the exact reference you need and lay down right on it ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:26:29 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Well deserved plug; AEROPLANE BOOKS ROCKS!!! Message-ID: <39DD0E24.B20B094C@bellsouth.net> NodalPoint@aol.com wrote: > Do you have an address, phone number, or URL for Aeroplane books? Shame on me! www.aeroplanebooks.com Bon Apetit`, and happy shopping. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:40:02 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? Message-ID: <005301c02f25$e17af100$4be879a5@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Candice Uhlir" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? > Guys, > We are getting way.....to serious!! If I was going to do an engineering > analysis on this, get the pictures, approximate date taken, old weather > archives, plot sun angles, reflective indexes of paints, approximate build > up of dirt and grime based upon flying rate, humidity of the atmosphere, > ...and I still can't prove anything. > > I say a lot of things in jest on this list, from pink tires to "it looks > cute". I mean nothing by it. All I meant to do was to present something of > interet I found. I apologize. > > Back to NSA mode from now on. > > Candice > > As usual, it is up to the Lady to tell us to drop it. I guess that she is 3000 percent right. We'd probably get further arguing whether or not God was stoned when he made the platypus. Voss left us a little Dicta Ira when he died, and instead of beating our brains out against it, we should merely build our models and maybe have a knowing little grin when someone says that you are wrong in your colors. I daresay that this List knows more about this question than 99% of the scholars in the world. And I say that ultimately, I AM RIGHT! Voss' cowl was BOTH green AND yellow. Green upon delivery, and eventually re-painted in the field - most likely when the aircraft was re-engined. So you ALL are right! Now quit arguing and go to bed! And Candice, as far as pink tires go, look at my Eindekker pics in the Gallery. It looks right to me... DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:57:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621ADE@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> DB says: > We'd probably get further arguing > whether or not God > was stoned when he made the platypus. Nah, he got that dead right. In fact, he designed in so many good things that when he got around to more recent arrivals he doled out the good things one per animal type, rather than all on the one animal. > Now quit arguing and go to bed! > Not to put too fine a point on it, this most recent outbreak was NOT an argument. One listee discovered a hitherto unreported article and added it to the list general knowledge, and one or two other listees commented upon it. THEN....all hell broke loose from people snarling that they didn't want to hear about it. Frankly, the "I don't care about Voss, go to hell with it all" sentiment of a number of members is beneath the usual tolerant behaviour of the list. *I* have also had enough of Voss for a lifetime the *people* but those who need to go to bed are those who've decided to impose rude censorship on what started out as a polite discourse Shane (Bucking for a "the Heretic" to append to his name ;-) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:03:39 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? Message-ID: Nah, you'd get 'the weird' or 'the wired' those are just too easy, heretics are another thing altogether. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:08:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621ADF@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Merrill, > Nah, you'd get 'the weird' or 'the wired' those are just too > easy, heretics are another thing altogether. Ah rats. I've been getting "The Weird" since I was about 5 and being into WW1 aircraft hasn't helped. Huh. Now I gotta do something *really* heretical. Like disagree on the subject of Merlin and Beechnut kits or something... Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:17:39 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? Message-ID: <41.1b86d1f.270e7423@aol.com> People who write on *this* subject get their shorts in a knot over the continuing Voss thread?????? :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:22:07 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Unsubing Message-ID: <28.b93064f.270e752f@aol.com> Hi Gang I'm off to the IPMS conversion is NE Pa. Unsubing to Monday Be good :-) Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:32:06 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Voss deal-BS Message-ID: <39DD39A6.75B530CF@earthlink.net> On Wed 4 Oct 2000 20:57:25-0400 (EDT), NodalPoint@aol.com said: <> Steve, I can't promise I won't raise this subject again. I recognize that some of the List Members have been reduced to whimpers because of the seemingly mindless continuation of it. However, I am involved in a highly technical, research intensive project regarding polarized materials and their potential application to the Voss cowl, and the ends of science must be pursued. Researchers at Syracuse and Rutgers Universities, and an artist at www.austine.com, among others, have determined that a light source behind revolving polarized lenses can cause color changes in illuminated materials/objects. Like candidate Geo. W. Bush, I find the math is kinda fuzzy. But the point is that grade school-type experiments using polaroid eyeglass lenses, transparent tape and plexiglass have produced surprising results. They have determined that the stiff plastic covering on packs of Christmas cards and the like are acceptable candidates, in that, like plexiglass, these materials do not produce colors themselves. This stuff can likely be vacuformed. See where I'm going?? Remember, you saw it first here!! Polarized lenses, vacuformed cowl. . . . add a geared small electric motor to rotate one of the two lenses through, let's say, 90 to 180 degrees, with the right type of light source, and, voila!!, you can have either color! I have a 1/28 scale Dr. I which, when I receive Barry Stettler's 1/48 F.I conversion set, I can scale up to modify the Dr. I accordingly. I figure the 1/28 scale should be large enough to house the apparatus, although I might have to add some weight to the tail - - talk about a switch, usually it's in the nose. The ultimate, of course, would include a mental receptor to read the color imagery in the mind of the viewer and automatically rotate one or both of the lenses to obtain the appropriate color. This may be pushing too far beyond the state-of-the art and gets scary and very risky when considering mental attitudes of potential viewers. Should the mechanism malfunction, I'm sure the model would suffer much unwarranted abuse. Anyhow, NodalPoint, if you have stayed with me this far, I will try to accomodate your desire to not miss any "gems" or "great facts" insofar as my postings go. I will endeavor to place a "BS" in the subject if no gems or great facts (GF) are included, otherwise, I will place "gem" or "GF" in the subject line if that is the case. You may note an inordinate amount of "BS's" in proportion to "gems" or "GF's." Of course, if I've had more than a few Coronas, I might forget. Default to the BS. Regards, Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:34:08 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Gotha Ursinus Message-ID: <60.782d71d.270e7800@aol.com> Greetings! A couple of weeks ago someone was enquiring about the Gotha Ursinus plane, with the floats which retract up to the fuselage. Today, while going through Imrie's "German Naval Air Service" (Vintage Aviation Fotofax) I found two pictures of said aircraft - pics number 49 and 50. One with the floats extended and the plane sitting on a beaching dolly, and the other with the floats retracted. I dont have a scanner, but if you are still interested, speak up and someone with both a scanner and this book might be able to help you. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:46:09 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? Message-ID: <39DD3CF1.791BD53D@earthlink.net> Shane said: "THEN....all hell broke loose from people snarling that they didn't want to hear about it. Frankly, the "I don't care about Voss, go to hell with it all" sentiment of a number of members is beneath the usual tolerant behaviour of the list. *I* have also had enough of Voss for a lifetime the *people* but those who need to go to bed are those who've decided to impose rude censorship on what started out as a polite discourse" Right on, Shane! Feeling the same, I probably pushed the envelope a little further than really necessary, in a prior, yet not listed message. Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:53:17 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? Message-ID: <39DD227D.52DB@airmail.net> Well, I'll haul my heretical body onto the stage and declare that I painted Konnecke's green, green-tailed Jasta 5 bird in Xtracolor Willow Green. Hey, it's described as a "bright green." Marc (Who is now almost thankful he doesn't have the right kind of equipment to take pictures of his models and send them to the list.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:54:54 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Club Displays Message-ID: <003e01c02f30$0d907300$903c183f@cyrixp166> Crass Commercialism Nothing special? What color(s) were the wings? What camo pattern? What color was the rudder? Any personal markings? I say this because Passchendaele includes Dan-San Abbott's full color profile of MvR's D.II in the D.II conversion kit & the decals for it. Okay, its DSA's interpretation of 491/16. If he's right, it was a very attractive bird. Regards, Cyg. > An Albatros D.II, nothing special about its markings, in which he shot down Hawker. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:02:07 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker DVII? Message-ID: <39DD40AF.3DF92BDB@earthlink.net> Dale said/pleaded: <> I've got one DML Fokker D.VII, Dale. Also, 2 Revell 1/28s (one under construction) and 3 Monograms in 1/48. Since I am no detail expert, I'm going to follow Tom Cleaver's lead on the Monogram kits. How much do you want this kit, Dale. Earlier today, someone on the List whimpered re. Voss cowl (oops, shouldn't have said that). Well, I won't wait until you whimper. Your heartfelt pleas are enough. Make me an offer off-list and we'll see what we can do. DML will probably reissue the kit before I get around to it, anyways. Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:02:30 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Club displays Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621AE0@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> David S opines from the wild, wild west: > I empathise with your quandry about the club display. You really need all the sympathy you can get if you get involved in mounting any sort of club display over and above the usual "everyone bring something and plunk it on the table" type of schemozzle. > The Western Front > Modellers group over here has already started planning for next year's > WASMEX. We have been promised a Vickers gun :-) Yikes. I wouldn't *dare* put a piece of real Military equipment on a model club display. A long story, but suffice it to say that I was interviewed on ABC radio and became mildly famous (for about 15 minutes ) for telling an ABC journalist on air that she was a closed minded sensation seeker who wanted to believe all modellers were militarists who goose step around their homes with a model airplane in one hand and a swastika in the other. (I got a second, reasoned, interview which they played in the runup to QMHE'98 - at 5:30am :-) > One member is going to let us use two of his > 'desktop' size Ikea glass display cabinets. We are lucky in > that where we > exhibit is in the WW1 section of the RAAF Association museum, Awww shudup. All we have for background is the pale blue painted walls of a big (empty) sports hall. > Right opposite our display will be the museum's > replica Sopwith Camel. I hope castor oil fumes disturb your digestion :-| ;-) Lucky sod. > > We've decided to label all the models so people don't have to > keep asking > 'which one did the Red Baron fly?' We do that now, but it isn't *enough*. A few people read them, but almost no-one remembers (except we sad anoraks). We need something more - like the storyboard effect the DDSMC guys got with their 1940 Ford display. > as well as have a small > section of the > display devoted to him - because that's what the punters > recognise. Now this makes sense, becaue the human factor gets forgotten. I'd *love* to whiz over to the QLD Museum and nick off with Stan Dallas' medals and mount a display around a them and a full length, full size photo of him (also "borrowed") - with the story of how a local farm boy makes good and dies doing it (cue soppy Hollywood music). Only, how many Sopwith tripes and SE-5a's can we show? > That's > it so far. Now a box diorama...hmmmmm. Got me thinking. Waaaay OT, but some years back another club did a box dio of a B-29 bombing Hiroshima. You looked in and saw a B-29 with a distant horizon it. If you pressed a button on the front you heard a long whistling noise - then a camera flash went off in your face half blinding you - LOL ! > > The organisers want us to dress up like WW1 aviators! They've got > Buckley's... Urrggh. If they want stupid prats they'll have to look elsewhere. Clearly they have the same idea about you blokes as the ABC here does. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:59:49 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Well deserved plug; AEROPLANE BOOKS ROCKS!!! Message-ID: <006701c02f30$c23f5500$903c183f@cyrixp166> A me too for Aeroplane Books. They are very competitive price-wise for the Datafile series. They will also search for the out of print ones (you will pay a premium for this service). They are a pleasure to deal with and they have very fast service...unlike someone I can think of......(blush) Regards, John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:40:05 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? Message-ID: <003101c02f36$5ca91c20$0e371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? > > > Hi Jack, > I have also picked up Humbrol Emerald Green for Dilthey's bird. To me, this > looked right for his machine. The one Jasta 5 model I have built has the tail > painted with Humbrol #101 Mid Green. T hat one looks "right" to me. But then, > I don't agonize over yellow or olive cowls or other such minor points : ) I > did some research and then applied DICTA IRA!!! > > Regards, > John > > John, Thanks for the info. I'm getting the white masked off now, and then on to those lovely green bands :-)! Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:29:34 -0400 From: Dan To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Club displays Message-ID: <39DD390E.8262C5DE@mindspring.com> It seems to me you need a display that will (a) be fun for the builders (or else you'll wind up doing all of it), and (b) be easily understood by and interesting to the general public ('cos we can always use more modellers). I don't know how well this qualifies, but what about showing airplanes from MvR's career? It would include his adversaries' planes as well, including the one which shot him down. It would give the builders some fun in putting together various types and nationalities of aircraft, and the teeming masses might find it interesting. It would also have the advantage of being "organized" into various facets, rather like the Ford thingy. Finally, I believe all the relevant planes are available in 48th and 72nd scale. Perhaps photos and bios could be printed up behind each airplane, explaining what it is, who flew it, when the encounter took place, and the final result. It could help humanize the GW, I think. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:32:33 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? Message-ID: <009901c02f3d$b1501560$0e371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Limon3 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:00 PM Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? > Jack, > Glad I could be of help to you. BTW I admire your work very much, and know > that you'll do real justice to "Dilthey." > Gabe > Gabe, I'm flattered! Thanks for the kind words. You didn't mention that you had already done one! :-> I also very much liked your Altemaier DVIII, looks like it was tough to mask! Out of curiosity, do you have a reference that indicates that the cabane and u/c struts as well as the axle fairing were also green or were you using "modeler's license"? I kind of figured that the cabane struts would be green, but wasn't sure about the undercarriage. It makes sense though, since the wheel covers were green. Thanks again for your help. Am masking off the white so I can spray the green, hopefully tomorrow. Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:39:08 -0500 From: "Edward Swaim" To: Subject: Quality of Emhar figures? Message-ID: <000801c02f3e$c8f8cbc0$562a96cf@hppav> The October Squadron Supplement arrived today. It lists 4 1/72 scale figure kits from Emhar for $5.47 per kit. The kits include British infantry and tank crew, British 18 pounder and crew, German infantry and tank crew, and German 77mm and crew. Has anyone bought these? Are they real models or soft plastic toys? Edward Swaim Little Rock, Arkansas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:51:15 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Well deserved plug; AEROPLANE BOOKS ROCKS!!! Message-ID: <15.a1b4096.270e9823@aol.com> In a message dated 10/5/00 6:06:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << A me too for Aeroplane Books. They are very competitive price-wise for the Datafile series. They will also search for the out of print ones (you will pay a premium for this service). They are a pleasure to deal with and they have very fast service...unlike someone I can think of......(blush) Regards, John Cyg. >> A real loss to the local Southern California scene was when the Byrds pulled up stakes and moved east. They used to run a great av-book shop in these parts and would show up at a lot of model/air events. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:24:19 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New review at Squadron Message-ID: <39DD6203.8C4833A3@earthlink.net> Beautiful model, Richard. I'm afraid to ask how you did it over again.....trained spiders?? Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 14:37:11 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Enjoying the list was Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? Message-ID: <39DD56F7.A75C556E@tac.com.au> Shane Weier wrote: > Not to put too fine a point on it, this most recent outbreak was NOT an > argument. One listee discovered a hitherto unreported article and added it > to the list general knowledge, and one or two other listees commented upon > it. > > THEN....all hell broke loose from people snarling that they didn't want to > hear about it. Frankly, the "I don't care about Voss, go to hell with it > all" sentiment of a number of members is beneath the usual tolerant > behaviour of the list. *I* have also had enough of Voss for a lifetime the > *people* but those who need to go to bed are those who've decided to impose > rude censorship on what started out as a polite discourse An interesting fact that has emerged from the most recent Voss thread is that people seem to have forgotten a couple of things. People have different reasons for subbing to the list and as we grow (which is a good thing) we can't help but have certain threads pop up that don't interest everyone. So what? Where does it say in the FAQ that the list must be composed of threads which are slanted towards YOUR particular interest? Delete those that don't interest you or scroll through the post in case there is something in it of interest (my choice). The list works in cycles, sooner or later those people who are posting on a topic that doesn't grab you will get a thread to which they will have to apply the same treatment. One of the things that has always struck me about the list and what makes it so enjoyable is the knowledge that there are others out there interested in this subject. The daily messages between like-minded crazies with a yen for these gorgeous aircraft of the period is just fantastic IMHO. Spirited discussion is one thing but rather than be rude, let's all remember what the scroll bar and delete keys are for. Hey where'd my soapbox go? Mistress Lorna ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2693 **********************