WWI Digest 2691 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Contests - New Orleans too by "DAVID BURKE" 2) Re: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 3) Re: The Voss deal by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 4) Re: Roguettes? by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 5) Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? by "Jack Gartner" 6) Re: The Voss deal by "Jack Gartner" 7) Re: Contests - New Orleans too by "Jack Gartner" 8) Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? by "Limon3" 9) Re: The Voss deal by MAnde72343@aol.com 10) Re: The Voss deal by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 11) Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? by "Jack Gartner" 12) Re: The Voss deal by MAnde72343@aol.com 13) Re: The Voss deal by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 14) Re: The Voss deal by MAnde72343@aol.com 15) Re: The Voss deal by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 16) Re: The Voss deal by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 17) Re: The Voss deal by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 18) Junkers J.I by "Bob Pearson" 19) Progress Report by smperry@mindspring.com 20) RE: The Voss deal by "dfernet0" 21) RE: Roguettes? by "dfernet0" 22) RE: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? by "Gaston Graf" 23) RE: DRI Production Dates? by "Gaston Graf" 24) RE: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? by "Gaston Graf" 25) RE: Club displays by "dfernet0" 26) OT story: The bloody scarf by "Gaston Graf" 27) RE: Junkers J.I by "dfernet0" 28) RE: Club displays by "Carol & David Solosy" 29) Site FYI by "Matt Bittner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:40:15 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Contests - New Orleans too Message-ID: <005201c02e7d$fab799a0$6194aec7@com> Hey Gang, What contest are folks planning on going to this month? I'm thinking poosibly Pensacola and New Orleans. Don't really know dates. What other shows are this month (especially in the Southeast?). I can only hope to have as much fun as I did in Huntsville! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:43:03 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? Message-ID: Boy, if I didn't know better, I'd think Barry at Rosemont was paying Candice to toss this grenade as a perfect sales device. I just found out that the new Rosemont F.1 update set for the Dragon/DML Dr.I includes serials for all three F.1s, and the face for the Voss airplane. So, with this set for we 1/48 guys, and the Eduard F.1 Profipack with a Rosemont set for the 1/72 guys, we can make dueling Yellow/Olive Voss birds forever! BTW - did anyone note the heretic in the new FSM who did his Eduard kit with the yellow rudder and cowl?? The temerity of that guy! I don't even think he's on the list, is he??? BTW (further) I am doing the little Eduard profipack, with the Rosemont update, and the kit is as nice as that review in FSM says it is (though this one will be right). Cheers, TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:49:24 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Voss deal Message-ID: In a message dated 10/4/00 7:12:31 PM EST, NodalPoint@aol.com writes: << There's a lot of very knowledgeable folks on this list and I hope some other discussion will spring up. To me, this is an awesome source of info, but let Voss' cowl R.I.P. >> there he goes again, so grass-green new he thinks *rational* arguments hold water here!!! :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:58:37 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roguettes? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/4/00 10:31:17 PM EST, tskio4@home.com writes: << Candice, When can the curious on this list expect to see you in the rogues gallery? And will that be with a green or yellow top? Tom S >> We'll see what we can do about catching the List Goddess in front of something interesting at the Planes of Fame show this weekend. TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:31:45 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? Message-ID: <006b01c02e85$2e8d15a0$44371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: David Calhoun To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? > Hi Jack, > For my Jasta 5 Mailed Gauntlet I used Testors Beret Green David (and others who posted), Thanks for the info! I actually picked up a bottle of Beret Green just before posting the request. While it looks right for the green tailed birds ( a la Michael Alvarados pix in the Gallery), it is too dark for Dilthey's. The closest match I've been able to eyeball out is Humbrol Emerald Green, with Testor's Gloss Green a close second. Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:34:29 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: The Voss deal Message-ID: <006f01c02e85$8d64dea0$44371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Solinski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:34 PM Subject: Re: The Voss deal let > > > Voss' cowl R.I.P. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I "voss" hoping y'all would drop this apparently endless thread. I don't think Voss survived as long in the war as this discussion has... Enough already Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:41:38 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Contests - New Orleans too Message-ID: <008b01c02e86$8d0b5780$44371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: DAVID BURKE To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:46 PM Subject: Contests - New Orleans too I'll be heading to the IPMS Region 11 Regional show in Bradenton, FL next weekend (16th/17th). The show is sponsored by Manatee Scale Modelers, and these guys go all out to put on a terrific show. Steve Perry and I sponsored a trophy package for Vintage Aircraft 1939 and Earlier, All Scales. We didn't want to put our names on it, so the sponsorship will read "Members of the WWI Modeling List" :-> We figured that if we made it for just WWI planes, the category might be a bit on the thin side as far as entries go, so we opened it up just a bit. Hopefully we'll see some good entries. I'll let you know how well the category turns out. Anybody else from the list in this area and planning on attending? I spoke with Steve last night and he will not be making it, unfortunately. Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:42:29 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? Message-ID: <001001c02e86$abfc2de0$39de2a3f@f4w2s5> Dilthey's machine was finished in the Saxon colors of green and white, which were a very bright green. I saw the color represented on a Saxon state flag from Germany, but can't remember the source. Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Jack Gartner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:24 PM Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:25 PM >Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? > > >> Jack, my impression of the Jasta 5 green, was that it was pretty dark, >about >> like the green on NASM's "Stropp," and that Dilthey's green was more a >> primary, nearer to RLM 25. FWIW, I'm using a RR paints color for "Stropp," >> "Mec Pine Green", which seems a close match to the green in the decals. >> Merrill >> > >Merrill, > >Interesting. The only color profiles I've seen of the Jasta 5 birds have >suggested a brighter green. I looked at my NASM book and the only color >picture of Stropp in clear light is the back cover shot. That green seems >pretty bright to me, along the lines of a primary Green, just a tad darker >than Testor's Gloss Green. > >The Aircraft in Profile article indicates that the colors in the profile for >Dilthey's plane were verified by Karl Degelow. That green is a close match >to Humbrol's Emerald Green. I have several RLM paint chip sets and the RLM >25 is just a bit darker than the Emerald Green, so I can probably use the >Humbrol. For those that believe the Aircraft in Profile color view, it'll >be very close, and for those that believe it would be more like the RLM 25, >I can chalk it up to scale effect! :-) > >Out of curiosity, what decal set are you using for Stropp? I have a >Propagteam 1/48th scale set, and the green stripes for the Stropp tail are >way too light compared to the NASM color pictures. > >Thanks for your help. > >Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 >diaphus@tampabay.rr.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:45:09 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Voss deal Message-ID: <91.1485952.270d6155@aol.com> Dear Jack, ROTFL! But like that pink monstrosity, that thread goes on, and on, and... Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:15:12 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Voss deal Message-ID: In a message dated 10/4/00 11:37:39 PM EST, diaphus@tampabay.rr.com writes: << I "voss" hoping y'all would drop this apparently endless thread. I don't think Voss survived as long in the war as this discussion has... Enough already Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 >> A Great High IPMS Muckety-Moo-Moo goes about something???? We have *achieved* our goal, comrades!! We drove one of "them" over the edge!! :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:23:58 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? Message-ID: <009701c02e94$dbca9c60$44371c18@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Limon3 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:48 AM Subject: Re: Green Color of Green Tailed Albatri? > Dilthey's machine was finished in the Saxon colors of green and white, which > were a very bright green. I saw the color represented on a Saxon state flag > from Germany, but can't remember the source. > Gabe Gabe, Thanks very much! I'll return the favor. I checked on the Internet and found the following http://fotw.digibel.be/flags/index.html It is a website for all of the worlds flags, past and present, and sure enough, Saxony is in there. It looks like the Emerald Green I'm planning to use will be a very close match! Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:23:16 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Voss deal Message-ID: He's not the only one close to the edge, although I may be able to restrain myself from doing something desperate, the thing has become a variation on water torture, and it's past pointless, it's useless, it will never be settled and it's just one airplane!!! WHY BOTHER? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:34:47 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Voss deal Message-ID: In a message dated 10/5/00 1:28:21 AM EST, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: << He's not the only one close to the edge, although I may be able to restrain myself from doing something desperate, the thing has become a variation on water torture, and it's past pointless, it's useless, it will never be settled and it's just one airplane!!! WHY BOTHER? >> We have just achieved a Major Event: a former resident of Lake Woebegone has Shown Public Emotion!! When you can get someone from Minnesota acting like the warm weather gang (who know who they are), you have Achieved Something. :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:49:35 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Voss deal Message-ID: That will pass, probably when the snow flies (this weekend) Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:48:51 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Voss deal Message-ID: <39DC3263.6609A66F@tac.com.au> TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/4/00 11:37:39 PM EST, diaphus@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > << I "voss" hoping y'all would drop this > apparently endless thread. I don't think Voss survived as long in the war > as this discussion has... Enough already > > > Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 >> > > A Great High IPMS Muckety-Moo-Moo goes about something???? We have > *achieved* our goal, comrades!! We drove one of "them" over the edge!! :-) > > TC Next target - members of the US modelling press & modelling club haters StY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:03:21 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Voss deal Message-ID: <7e.b1fa5b0.270d81b9@aol.com> In a message dated 10/5/00 1:55:20 AM EST, sljenkins@tac.com.au writes: << modelling club haters >> Modeling club haters? When I am a member of the best modeling club on the planet???? I guess my humor doesn't work when it's "upside down." TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:32:02 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Voss deal Message-ID: <39DC3C82.176E4ABB@tac.com.au> TomTheAeronut@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/5/00 1:55:20 AM EST, sljenkins@tac.com.au writes: > > << modelling club haters >> > > Modeling club haters? When I am a member of the best modeling club on the > planet???? > > I guess my humor doesn't work when it's "upside down." > > TC Hmmmmm, must have touched a sore spot, even though it was a bit of "right side up" humour. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 01:29:54 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Junkers J.I Message-ID: <200010050841.BAA12039@mail.rapidnet.net> Does anyone have one of these they would like to trade for some 1/48 Eduard kit? Either scale is fine as long as it is half decent .. I'm thinking of scratchbuilding one, but can't quite get motivated to begin. I figure the corrugations are a perfect candidate for embossing the other side. Bob PS .. I'm working on J.I profiles right now. . for those who have the Datafile, take a look at pg22 .. the 'non-white colour above the rudder cross' is SHADOW from the upper wing. PPS my cat is helping me by reading the references with his butt .. amazing how cats seem to find the exact reference you need and lay down right on it ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 05:20:56 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Progress Report Message-ID: <000901c02ead$923d88a0$3cf0aec7@default> I've been painting the wings of my Toms Alb D.II vac and have some success. I mixed 3 shades of CDL, Painted the upper surfaces lightest & lower sides darkest, then masked the rib stations and sprayed both sides overall the mid shade. The undersides of the lower panels I masked with parafilm over the still in place rib station mask tapes. I cut away the parafilm over the spars and sprayed a gray/brown.. Aftwe removing the film but not the tapes, I misted the mid tone CDL untl the spars were a mere shadow. Finally off came the rib station masks and it looks pretty convincing. Now to do and photo the underside of the top plane with the cross shadows too. sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:47:16 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: The Voss deal Message-ID: <010401c02eb9$a0ea21e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Tom > I guess my humor doesn't work when it's "upside down." Hey, who's upside down? D. why the coins in my pockets keep falling to the ceiling? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:06:53 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Roguettes? Message-ID: <016b01c02ebc$5e115f20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> AFAIK, none of the girls in the madhouse are in the portrait gallery.... even though I know that they conformed sort of a "secret society" within listland... Unmask yourselves, misterious ladies! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Solinski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:33 AM Subject: Roguettes? > Candice, > > When can the curious on this list expect to see you in the rogues gallery? > And will that be with a green or yellow top? > Tom S > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:12:37 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? Message-ID: Mike, Regarding the many discussions going on about the Voss cowl only on this list you should know that some members, including myself, see this topic in a funny but also serious way. Dave was just kidding, as usual. Second: Regarding the truth of the written word is something I am extremely skeptical with. Do you really believe everything you read??? C'mon, that can't be true! There is so much nonsence written by journalists and wrong statements made even by so called serious authors - if you believe it all you must be quite a naive character. Are you? If you really believe the written word so easily - and to stay OT - you would also believe the story I translated from the 1933 edition of Manfred von Richthofens book "The Red Airfighter" if I would not have added an explanation about its accuracy to it. The story about the report made by Roy Brown is *wrong*! It was written in 1927 by a journalist but never by Brown himself! But it was printed in the 1933 German edition of MvRs book. You can read it at my website if you are interested. Please go to the ACES section and click on MANFRED VON RICHTHOFEN. Btw: Regarding the century old records of the monks there was so many false documents written, so much forgery made, that even the most knowledgeable historians of our time has trouble sometimes to distinguish the right from the wrong. with kind regards Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Dave Z said: > > "I nearly fell off my chair laughing - apparently an advocate of the > yellow > cowl having a bit of a captioning crisis. Believe me, folks - we are > not > the first ones to agonize over this little issue. :-)" > > I continue to be amazed at the suspicion and cynicism that permeates > List members' commentary on published "facts" regarding OT aircraft. > They have the temerity to challenge the collective wisdom of authors' > well-researched writings and question the absence of editorial action > that would satisfy their sense of historical correctness. Professional > writers and publishers wouldn't be putting history into print if it > wasn't true, would they? > > I mean, our cultures are largely based on the written word and its > universal acceptance - - from the monks saving it during the dark ages > almost to the present . . . .well, the thought of television and movies > blew that line of thought all to pieces. How would lawyers survive if > the written and spoken word wasn't accepted as the truth? ;< )) > > Reminds me of the late '70s and early 80's, when as a CPA, I discovered > that, in representing clients to bankers, a hand-written or typed > financial proposal brought all sorts of questions, whereas if I put a > bunch of numbers in the primitive computer I owned and printed out > between a quarter and a half inch of green and white barred computer > paper, it was instantly accepted. After all, computers don't lie and > make mistakes, do they? > > Apologize for taking up the bandwith. The List seems kinda slow and I'm > stalling about getting back to work on the C.III. "Dicta Ira" > > Mike K. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:12:38 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: DRI Production Dates? Message-ID: Windosock Datafile special mentions the manufacturers plate holding the production date, but does not mention if day/month/year or only month/year was recorded. The "Werknumber" (w/n) was also recorded as well as the serial number. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Dale Beamish > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:51 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: DRI Production Dates? > > > Does anyone have a list of the production dates for the DRI? On the > manufacturers plate there are places for the serial number, work > number and > the production date. Would the production date be in month and > year or day, > month and year? Anyone know? > Dale > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:12:39 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? Message-ID: Indeed a very interesting question, Candice. I doubt if Timm was interviewed in English because not so many of the "simple men" spoke English in Germany early of the past century. Where should they have had the money from to go to a high school? It's just a hypothesis of mine indeed. As for distinguishing Red and Green this does not mean one cannot be partially colorblind. There are many people who have problems to distinguish the greenish and blueish colors but distinguish the Reds from the Greens correctly. sincerely Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Candice Uhlir > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:54 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? > > > What Mike K. Said!! > > Anyway.....Gefreiter Timm may of been colorblind, but he did > paint the red > heard on Voss' D3, and suggested the green wreath to his boss because the > airplane looked bare. In fact there is picture of him next to the newly > painted Albatross wth Timm holding a paint bucket and brush. > So....unless > somebody labeled the buckets "Red" adn "Green" he could see some color. > > I didn't mean to stir this up again...I just know it is > important not to > overlook first sources. With that in mind, what language was Herr Timm > interviewed in? If it was german, what color term would be > translated into > English as "earth grey"?? > > ANyway...it is just a question of academic interest. Unless we > find the > aircraft (very doubtful) we will never know!! So just keep > building! .... > Dicta Ira!! > > Candice > > PS...just some more kindling... > > Alois Heldmann (Jasta 10 during its' entire operational life) > "as far as > I can remember, all Triplanes (Fokkers) were painted in factory standard > camoflage colors green-blue yellow-brown. The undersides were > light blue. > The body was in camouflage colors as well as the wheel covers. A > plane that > Voss flew mostly was overpainted silver-grey, teh motor hood was > red? (sic), > caricature white. Streaks next to the cross were camouflage colors, > probably green. Voss fell in this machine." > > have fun guys! > > > > >From: Mike Kavanaugh > >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: Re: Old C&C (USA) Article on Voss Colours?? > >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:27:53 -0400 (EDT) > > > >Dave Z said: > > > >"I nearly fell off my chair laughing - apparently an advocate of the > >yellow > >cowl having a bit of a captioning crisis. Believe me, folks - we are > >not > >the first ones to agonize over this little issue. :-)" > > > >I continue to be amazed at the suspicion and cynicism that permeates > >List members' commentary on published "facts" regarding OT aircraft. > >They have the temerity to challenge the collective wisdom of authors' > >well-researched writings and question the absence of editorial action > >that would satisfy their sense of historical correctness. Professional > >writers and publishers wouldn't be putting history into print if it > >wasn't true, would they? > > > >I mean, our cultures are largely based on the written word and its > >universal acceptance - - from the monks saving it during the dark ages > >almost to the present . . . .well, the thought of television and movies > >blew that line of thought all to pieces. How would lawyers survive if > >the written and spoken word wasn't accepted as the truth? ;< )) > > > >Reminds me of the late '70s and early 80's, when as a CPA, I discovered > >that, in representing clients to bankers, a hand-written or typed > >financial proposal brought all sorts of questions, whereas if I put a > >bunch of numbers in the primitive computer I owned and printed out > >between a quarter and a half inch of green and white barred computer > >paper, it was instantly accepted. After all, computers don't lie and > >make mistakes, do they? > > > >Apologize for taking up the bandwith. The List seems kinda slow and I'm > >stalling about getting back to work on the C.III. "Dicta Ira" > > > >Mike K. > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:14:07 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Club displays Message-ID: <01c701c02ebd$61177dc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Shaen: What about a club display of WW1 captured aircraft? Sopwiths with black crosses and Fokkers with roundels? that might appeal curiosity for modelers and viewers alike. Plus, you also have a wide variety of planes to work with. You also get rid of Manfred's triplane as a must. For a diorama, a shed with a ground crew frantically painting and patching a captured airplane would be neat! Don't forget the souvenir hunters prowling around... just my 2 argie cents worth D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:31:26 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: OT story: The bloody scarf Message-ID: Folks, yesterday I received a mail from a visitor of my website who asked me for support to write a WW1 aviator story. I copied and pasted his mail below. Altough I did not read his story to the end yet I find it most interesting. There are also a lot of nice pitcures included - pictures I personally did not see before. If anybody can help Mr. Mathieson to add mor detail to the novel he is planning to write please do not hesitate to contact him. His next story, 'Killer Birdy' will deal more directly with the German Pilots and their aerodromes. Peterson will discover that Albert survived a horrific crash behind enemy lines and is being held captive. Where 'The Bloody Scarf' deals with the tragic toll the war has had on the pilots, 'Killer Birdy' will deal with their comradery, competition and loyalty to one another... Mr. Mathieson is particularly interested in the relationship between Verner Voss and Richtofen. You should know that Henry Drinkwater's sense of fate was largely influenced by Richtofen's last few months after he was wounded across the scalp.... These men are his great heroes sense childhood, though he has no preference as to nationality. Drinkwater also has the ruthlessness of Edward Mannock and the concern for his younger pilots as attributed to Boelke... read for yourself ;o) Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de Dear Sir; I found your Jasta Boelcke sight online concerning WWI Aviation and hope you might read my short story, 'The Bloody Scarf'. I need help with adding historical details to make the story as authentic as possible. I've written the No. 56 Squadron in England to see if they might help me out as well since the story takes place just after the death of Capt Albert Ball, May 7 1917. Any critique you might offer would be great. I have no idea where to look for some of the things I need, such as a description of the Aerodrome at Vert Galland, ranks and jobs of personnel around the base, mascots, local entertainment etc. Perhaps, for example, you might have information on specific German Squadrons operating in the area between Cambrai and Lens, Spring 1917. If I can get the story worked out, I want to develop a novel and perhaps a screenplay at some point. Though my story is fiction, as I expand the story, I'm sure to include actual characters from the real war. I've received allot of approval for the story, but is it true to the taste of a real enthusiast like yourself? This is an online writing effort, so the story will continue to develop publicly. It is a very dark and bloody tale indeed, not like the cliché swashbuckling pilot stories of old Hollywood. You will notice familiar idiosyncrasies in the characters I'm sure. Though I may have to distance myself from traits in my heroic 'Albert' that will be familiar to Albert Ball fans, such as his personal garden and his eccentric violin playing. The real Albert Ball was quit different from the 'glorious bastard' in my story. Your advice would be much appreciated... The Bloody Scarf http://www.geocities.com/vasco_62/bscarf.html Thanks Allot! Brian E Mathieson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:33:47 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Junkers J.I Message-ID: <032e01c02ec0$2077e220$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Bob >I'm thinking of scratchbuilding one, but can't quite get motivated to begin. I figure the > corrugations are a perfect candidate for embossing the other side. Perfect on "flat" surfaces of the fuselage, but no on the highly curved uppersurfaces of the wings, since it'll put too much stress on the fine sheet metal (or plastic). I'd go with rounded styrene strips over a smooth core, and then use a light enamel coat in the inner spaces to represent the concave curves. D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:45:31 +0800 From: "Carol & David Solosy" To: "WW1 list" Subject: RE: Club displays Message-ID: Shane I empathise with your quandry about the club display. The Western Front Modellers group over here has already started planning for next year's WASMEX. We have been promised a Vickers gun :-) -from the soon to be closed Fremantle Army Museum :-( and sandbags, which will be the barrier between the public and the models. One member is going to let us use two of his 'desktop' size Ikea glass display cabinets. We are lucky in that where we exhibit is in the WW1 section of the RAAF Association museum, so the backdrop is mural of RE8s, DH5s, SE5as, AVRO 504s and other types used by the RFC/AFC. Right opposite our display will be the museum's replica Sopwith Camel. We've decided to label all the models so people don't have to keep asking 'which one did the Red Baron fly?' as well as have a small section of the display devoted to him - because that's what the punters recognise. That's it so far. Now a box diorama...hmmmmm. Got me thinking. The organisers want us to dress up like WW1 aviators! They've got Buckley's... Good luck with it all. When's it to be held BTW? David S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:50:55 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Site FYI Message-ID: <200010051251.FAA17796@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Unfortunately, for some reason, I can't ftp into the pease1 server. I suspect a firewall has been installed. So, until you hear from me otherwise, please send all new model images to Allan. Sorry list, and sorry Al. Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2691 **********************