WWI Digest 2673 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Toko/Roden by "Matthew Bittner" 2) Kit Request by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 3) Re: Should I or shouldn't I... by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 4) Re: Kit Request by "Matthew Bittner" 5) Re: Kit Request by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 6) Re: Something for the ship builders........ by "Dale Beamish" 7) Re: Has anybody noticed this? by Otisgood@aol.com 8) Re: Toko rant by "Limon3" 9) Re: Spooky Matt and Toko Rant by "Michael Kendix" 10) Re: Kit Request by MAnde72343@aol.com 11) RE: Toko rant by "Michael Kendix" 12) Re Cross & Cocade USA 4 sale by BStett3770@aol.com 13) RE: Toko rant by Shane Weier 14) RE: Toko rant by "Matthew Bittner" 15) Re: Brandenburg W.20 by "David Calhoun" 16) RE: Toko rant by "Michael Kendix" 17) Re: Brandenburg W.20 by "David Calhoun" 18) RE: Toko rant by Shane Weier 19) RE: Toko rant by Shane Weier 20) Re: Should I or shouldn't I... by smperry@mindspring.com 21) RE: Toko rant by "Michael Kendix" 22) Re: Toko rant cooled by lemonade by Zulis@aol.com 23) RE: Toko rant by Shane Weier 24) Re: Aeromaster Lozenge (was Tango Papa Decals) by Craig Gavin 25) Toko Rant, etc. by MAnde72343@aol.com 26) Re: Toko rant cooled by lemonade by "Michael Kendix" 27) Re: Aeromaster Lozenge (was Tango Papa Decals) by MAnde72343@aol.com 28) Re: Toko rant cooled by lemonade by MAnde72343@aol.com 29) RE: Toko rant cooled by lemonade by Shane Weier 30) Book with color pics by Xoty Xot 31) Re: Book with color pics by "Dale Beamish" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:15:01 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Toko/Roden Message-ID: <200009272314.QAA04187@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:28:03 -0400 (EDT), MAnde72343@aol.com wrote: > Shame on you, Matt. Admittedly, the Toko/Roden kits are not up to the world > standard set by Eduard, but they beat the piss out of the old Airsucks > monstrosities, and 90% of the "limited production" kits, disappointed about > problems, sure, but happy to have relatively good kits, that can be made into > excellent models, anytime I can use styrene glue rather than cyanoacrylate, > I, for one, am happy. Geez, people! Would you lighten up? I was ranting because I was/am upset. In no way does this mean people should stop buying Toko/Roden kits. However, for me, I am duly warned and now know what to expect. The HB D.I's are the first Toko kits I have/am building. Still, would you buy a car if it had dings and scratches all over it? Would you want a house that - due to someone not reading the blueprints correctly - has a staircase that doesn't quite reach the upper level? Whenever Roden puts something out no one else has, I will buy it. However, I don't see myself buying anything they put out that Eduard has, or has announced. I would rather build a vac. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:55:53 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Kit Request Message-ID: Howdy, I hate to ask this but I can't find a certain kit that I feel needs to reside in my closet. Actually I need a break from these 1/72 kits I've been building. The lack of light in my away from home workshop is making it difficult to build dinky scale. Ever since the Nats I've been thinking of Eric's lozenge set for the 1/28 Fokker D.VII. If anyone out there has one of these kits they are willing to part with I would appreciate an email off list. I hate to use the list this way but I've exhausted my usual channels. I've lost a few on Ebay recently too. Somehow I doubt Matt is going to be able to help me out on this one! :) :) Thank you very much, Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:00:11 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Should I or shouldn't I... Message-ID: Howdy! >So I would be actually taking on 5 SPADs at once. Would someone please talk me out of it? No can do compadre. Seeing as how I will soon have five (5) Halberstadts on my bench ranging in scales from 1/72 thru 1/32. I cannot talk you out of this venture without appearing to be a hypocrite. You can have your own cookup! Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:21:43 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Kit Request Message-ID: <200009272321.QAA28791@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:20:37 -0400 (EDT), Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com wrote: > Somehow I doubt Matt is going to be able to help me out on this one! :) > :) I have the perfect solution for you Brent, but I bet you don't want to hear it. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:33:07 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kit Request Message-ID: Does it involve a Roden kit? I have the perfect solution for you Brent, but I bet you don't want to hear it. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:32:47 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Something for the ship builders........ Message-ID: <007101c028db$40b7a560$4331b8a1@darcy> > Ssshhhhh! ;-) > > http://www.squadron.com/24hour.html It's a sign I tell you ..... Anyone want to team up? Contact me of list? Dale "wish my name was Bruce" Beamish ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:34:41 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Has anybody noticed this? Message-ID: <9.b21d735.2703de11@aol.com> In a message dated 9/27/00 5:20:31 PM Central Daylight Time, dora9@sprynet.com writes: > who is finishing it for this weekend's contest in Huntsville Looks like I won't be able to see it. Other commitments have arisen, plus I only have two models ready to take. Perhaps I'll see some of you at the Nashville contest in November. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:35:59 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: Toko rant Message-ID: <003001c028db$b1c4fdc0$0bbf113f@f4w2s5> Amici/amigos, I sure do agree here. The "one, true" scale, o.k., old eyeball guy scale, is pretty slim in good French or Italian plastic. What about a real nice Ansaldo in styrene or a Caudron pusher. Anyone listening out there? Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Alberto Casirati To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Toko rant >Diego Fernetti asks: > >> Won't be nice to have them sharing different lots on the same >> WW1 ground? We have enough Albatrosen, make some british, french and >italian >> designs! Won't be nice to have an affordable model of a Fiat two seater >.. > >Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Alberto Casirati > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:41:29 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spooky Matt and Toko Rant Message-ID: >From: "Nigel Rayner" >BTW, I have to agree with Matt on the Toko rant. I built the Pfalz >DXII, >which wasn't too bad, but gave up on the HB D1. It was just too >much >trouble and not much fun. That put me off the rest of them, and >while >Eduard keeps churning the goods out, there doesn't seem to be >much point. Nigel: Don't give up on those Toko/Roden kits. I too have baulked at the HB D1, primarily because I'm not savvy enough to figure out how to get the star struts to fit. As I mentioned previously the Pflaz D.XII is fine as you know, as are the Nieuport 11, Snipe and Aviatik D.1. The latter is really straightforward OOB if you don't worry about correcting shapes of fuselage etc. None of these kits are available from Eduard. I've not built the Nieuport 16c but since that's so similar to their Nieuport 11, I think it should be fine; you have the choice of wheels or skis. None of these are perfect but they are good and inexpensive. >nu Pegasus Be2e I cannot understand why the Pegasus BE2e is any easier than most Toko/Roden kits. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:41:15 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kit Request Message-ID: <13.b4edc69.2703df9b@aol.com> Brent, where are you? There's been a DVII sitting on the back shelves of National Hobby for months, it was still there last time I looked. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:06:37 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Toko rant Message-ID: >From: Shane Weier >I think it's far more likely that both companies set out in splendid >isolation to produce a more up to date Dr.I at more or less the same >time. >Since it's no small expense to tool an injection kit, the >announcement by >their competitors ... Shane: Yes, I agree as far as your reasoning goes, especially the Dr.1 which is the most recognizable WW1 subject. However, why would Toko/Roden go and produce a D.VIII/E.V; already well done by Eduard and somewhat available, plus the Pfalz D.III and D.IIIa, both recently released by MAC Models? When was the last time a semi-decent 1/72nd scale Pflaz D.III/D.IIIa kit was produced? Now along come two sets of them. At the very least, I just think that this coincidence is a little odd. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:31:51 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re Cross & Cocade USA 4 sale Message-ID: <3e.17122c4.2703eb77@aol.com> Hi All Set is sold thanks to all Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:33:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Toko rant Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621A97@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael, > Yes, I agree as far as your reasoning goes, especially the > Dr.1 which is the > most recognizable WW1 subject. However, why would Toko/Roden > go and produce > a D.VIII/E.V; already well done by Eduard and somewhat > available, plus the > Pfalz D.III and D.IIIa, both recently released by MAC Models? > When was the > last time a semi-decent 1/72nd scale Pflaz D.III/D.IIIa kit > was produced? > Now along come two sets of them. > > At the very least, I just think that this coincidence is a little odd. Mmmm. The Eduard D.VIII is long out of production and pretty rare around here. And as an "old technology" kit I don't expect they'll release it again. And the MAC kit is either not available except via mail order or not at 99% of model shops. NO MAC kit has ever been seen in a Brisbane model shop. ALL the Rodens (and most of the Tokos, still) are available at ALL the model shops in Brisbane. Guess which company will be selling Pfalzes and which won't? Roden has a different business model - low cost, wide distribution - that's all. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:05:46 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Toko rant Message-ID: <200009280105.SAA07971@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:39:00 -0400 (EDT), Shane Weier wrote: > Roden has a different business model - low cost, wide distribution - that's > all. You forgot questionable accuracy. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:14:05 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Brandenburg W.20 Message-ID: <000801c02902$8bfa8b60$06d33ccc@oemcomputer> I ordered it via mail direct from Mike west from Lonestar. For a price list and order form (he does not accept credit cards, so you must send payment via snail mail) go to www.lonestarmodels.com Dave Calhoun ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Brandenburg W.20 > > > << >> I just got a copy of the Lonestar Brandenburg W.20 in 1/48 scale. > Typical > short run kit. << > > > Where can this kit be ordered through? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:25:06 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Toko rant Message-ID: >From: Shane Weier > >Mmmm. The Eduard D.VIII is long out of production and pretty rare >around >here. And as an "old technology" kit I don't expect they'll >release it >again. And the MAC kit is either not available except via >mail order or >not at 99% of model shops. > I agree but the D.VIII is available by mail order e.g. VAMP, Greatmodels, if you want it. >NO MAC kit has ever been seen in a Brisbane model shop. ALL the Rodens > >(and most of the Tokos, still) are available at ALL the model shops in > >Brisbane. Guess which company will be selling Pfalzes and which won't? >Roden has a different business model - low cost, wide distribution - > >that's all. > But, as you say they compete globally via the internet. As far as I'm concerned, sitting here in Maryland, they're equally available, for different prices of course. So far, I prefer to buy Roden/Toko but i could buy MAC if I wanted. So could you... if you wanted. It still seems odd that these 2 companies are producing the same model aeroplanes - and I can buy either one and so could you... if you wanted. Michael P.S. I think the Arse were a bit lucky tonight. Just doesn't compare to beating a side like Brentford. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:32:26 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Brandenburg W.20 Message-ID: <00eb01c02905$1c2f2180$06d33ccc@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Volker Häusler" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:23 AM Subject: Re: Brandenburg W.20 > Volker said: > > > > The reference to beg, steal or borrow on this one is Air Enthusiast No 33. > It contains an article by (of course) Peter Grosz titled "A study in > contrast", which describes the 2 submarine aircraft developed for the German > Navy, the Brandenburg W 20 and the (much more sophisticated) LFG V 19. I > don't think many questions remain unanswered after reading this essay. > > If I´m not wrong, a slightly shorter, but generally similar article was > somewhere in WW I Aero. > > To your questions: The W 20 was designed for the German Navy, with 3 being > build (No´s 1551 to 1553). Hexagonal naval lozenge on the upper surfaces, > including ths small area in front of the cockpit. This indicates (in my > opinion) a close adherance to the official camouflage instructions, which > would mean natural linen lower wings and grey fuselage and float sides. > Difficult to judge from the photos I have access to, but the undersides of > the fuselage and floats might have been grey as well. This I deduct from the > fact that on those photos of a W 20 on a beaching trolley the sides and > undersides can be seen and do not show any clour differences. > > HTH > > Volker Does anyone have a copy of this that I can borrow? Please e-mail me off list. Thanks, Dave Calhoun > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:46:56 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Toko rant Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621A9A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> > > Roden has a different business model - low cost, wide > > distribution - that's > > all. > > You forgot questionable accuracy. > Applies to more manufacturers than those to whom it does *not* apply, or we'd have nothing to talk about. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:52:35 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Toko rant Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621A9B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael, > It still seems odd that these 2 companies are producing the > same model > aeroplanes - and I can buy either one and so could you... if > you wanted. Precisely, but one will cost me twice as much as the other - the "low cost, wide distribution" business model I was speaking about gives many modellers an easy choice. Don't get my wrong - I'm not claiming that the Rodens will be as good, better, or worse, needed or un-needed vis a vis the MAC - I'm just pointing out that there may be perfectly valid reasons to choose to market a model in competition with another company..... ....which has nothing to do with what WE want released.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:23:19 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Should I or shouldn't I... Message-ID: <001501c028f3$12a151e0$d9f0aec7@default> Would > someone please talk me out of it? 5 Spads = 40 mainplane struts = 160 strut bindings hth sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:29:08 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Toko rant Message-ID: >From: Shane Weier >- I'm just pointing out that there may be perfectly valid reasons to > >choose to market a model in competition with another company..... > What reasons? One possibility is predation but since market entry is relatively low cost in the short run market, that's not a viable strategy. If I want to open a lemonade stand and there's a bunch of other people in my neighbourhood doing the same, I'll choose a location where they aren't. I'll choose my location to maximise the number of customers closest to me. Unless there's only 2 of us, it's unlikely that my best location will be right next to someone else. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:44:58 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toko rant cooled by lemonade Message-ID: << If I want to open a lemonade stand and there's a bunch of other people in my neighbourhood doing the same, I'll choose a location where they aren't. I'll choose my location to maximise the number of customers closest to me. Unless there's only 2 of us, it's unlikely that my best location will be right next to someone else. >> Not wanting to beat on the analogy too much, but I think the Mac/Roden thing might be described as one person selling lemonade with all sorts of goodies - a twist of something, frosted glasses, napkins - for two dollars a glass, while the other dealer sells ordinary "straight-up" lemonade in a paper cup for 50 cents each. They can both do quite well side-by-side because they are selling to a completely different type of customer. I think the question is - is the wwi modelling market large enough for this concept to work? Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:56:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Toko rant Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621A9E@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael, > >- I'm just pointing out that there may be perfectly valid reasons to > > choose to market a model in competition with another company..... > > > What reasons? Lets see. I'm a newish model company wanting to make a name in the WW1 market but need to sell to other modellers to make enough to buy food for the kids. Do I release a few well known subjects regardless of opposition, or market little known subjects to the enthusiast? Keep in mind what Toko sold and where they are now. > If I want to open a lemonade stand and there's a bunch of > other people in my > neighbourhood doing the same, I'll choose a location where > they aren't. > I'll choose my location to maximise the number of customers > closest to me. > Unless there's only 2 of us, it's unlikely that my best > location will be > right next to someone else. It depends. He sells it in real glasses with a straw at $2 a glass to businessmen passing in BMW's. You sell it in paper cups at 20c to kids on skateboards. But if you're both selling *sodas* as well, and he's the only one with the best selling flavour, you won't compete at any price. You *have* to have the best seller - the Dr-1 is the Coca-Cola of WW1 aircraft Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:04:10 -0500 From: Craig Gavin To: Subject: Re: Aeromaster Lozenge (was Tango Papa Decals) Message-ID: I've had the same problems with Aeromaster decals as noted by Nigel (ie. not sticking in place or conforming to the suface - even Solvaset and Champ's Decal-set don't seem strong enough). I've had my best luck with Almark lozenge. As I still see them in some catalogs, I'm guessing they are still available. Let me also add a vote for Pegsus lozenge. Albeit that they are hard to get due to stock shortage, they go on well if you follow Chris' instructions. My $.02 worth of contribution. - Craig Gavin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:02:47 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Toko Rant, etc. Message-ID: <28.b3c79ae.27040ed7@aol.com> With apologies to Matt, I haven't even really more than fondled the HB, so it may be a real pain, as to the choices the Eastern European companies are making on kits, may I suggest what I thought was an explanation: easy/inexpensive research may have something to do with the choices, as east/central Europe is where much of the recent 'hot' archives and records have surfaced in recent years, Dux made the Nieuports, and most of the German records wound up in Russian hands after the second mess, so little travel, etc., is needed to get data (and avoid copyright expenses). To me this is at least plausible, but I do wish they'd do a decent Camel, SPAD, SE5, Dolphin, DH5, etc., well maybe eventually. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 03:04:37 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toko rant cooled by lemonade Message-ID: >From: Zulis@aol.com > >Not wanting to beat on the analogy too much, but I think the Mac/Roden > >thing might be described as one person selling lemonade with all sorts > >of goodies - a twist of something, frosted glasses, napkins - for two > >dollars a glass, while the other dealer sells ordinary "straight-up" > >lemonade in a paper cup for 50 cents each. They can both do quite > >well side-by-side because they are selling to a completely different > >type of customer. > Dave: There is little difference between Roden/Toko quality and the MAC kits. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:10:49 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aeromaster Lozenge (was Tango Papa Decals) Message-ID: That's weird, truly, because in 1/48 the positions are reversed, The Pegasus are thick, and don't stick or conform (and you can't use sols or sets on them, it just destroys them) where the Aeromasters are completely predictable, and take solvents well. ??? Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:13:28 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toko rant cooled by lemonade Message-ID: Little difference? Have you seen the new MAC Pfalz? Nicer than Roden, and gives one hopes for the future. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:16:10 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Toko rant cooled by lemonade Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621AA0@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael, > There is little difference between Roden/Toko quality and the > MAC kits. Cost of Roden "lemonade" == A$12 per cup available on my own footpath Cost of MAC "lemonade" == A$22 per cup, plus delivery fee (and risk that it won't be the right flavour when it arrives, or will be spilt during delivery etc.) Bang per buck favours Roden by a large margin - especially if they have many more "lemonade stands" Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:30:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Xoty Xot To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Book with color pics Message-ID: <20000928033016.9994.qmail@web6105.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, I just got back into models after a 20 year lay off and WWI planes are what brought me back. I'm looking for a good book(s) with a lot of accurate color pics (drawings are fine) of as many different WWI planes as possible. Also, who makes great kits in your opinions and why? Thanks for your help! Randy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:05:35 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Book with color pics Message-ID: <00f801c02901$76bedd60$4331b8a1@darcy> Randy > Hey all, I just got back into models after a 20 year > lay off and WWI planes are what brought me back. I'm > looking for a good book(s) with a lot of accurate > color pics (drawings are fine) of as many different > WWI planes as possible. If you want as many as possible go for Bob Pearson's CD! There are over a thousand on it as well as a ton of info. You could contact him at: Bob Pearson E-mail Address(es): bpearson@rapidnet.net For the price of any book this is your best bet by far! > Also, who makes great kits in your opinions and why? 48 scale - Eduard 72 scale - this size .... you can't really tell! :-) ... ducking ... bobbing and weaving .... Dale ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2673 **********************