WWI Digest 2666 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) by MAnde72343@aol.com 2) Re: Web site update by Ernest Thomas 3) Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 by Ernest Thomas 4) Re: Candice at Old Rheinbeck by KarrArt@aol.com 5) Dennis, Models by MAnde72343@aol.com 6) Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 by "Dale Beamish" 7) Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 by Ernest Thomas 8) Re: Average Age? by Witold Kozakiewicz 9) Ansaldo A-1 site update by "Alberto Casirati" 10) New OT models on PMMS site by "Carol & David Solosy" 11) RE: Polish translation help by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 12) RE: Dennis, Models by "dfernet0" 13) RE: New OT models on PMMS site by "dfernet0" 14) Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel by skarver@banet.net 15) He's out there, lurking........ by GRBroman@aol.com 16) RE: He's out there, lurking........ by "dfernet0" 17) Re: Web site update by Dennis Ugulano 18) Re: Dennis, Models by Dennis Ugulano 19) Re: Thanks and a request by Dennis Ugulano 20) RE: Dennis, Models by Dennis Ugulano 21) Re: Hasegawa 1/8" Sopwith Camel Kit by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 22) Re: Tele-fetubies by "Lance Krieg" 23) Re: Candice at Old Rheinbeck by "Candice Uhlir" 24) where o where for lozenge? by Myles Miller 25) Re: Web site update by "David Calhoun" 26) Re: where o where for lozenge? by "David Calhoun" 27) Re: where o where for lozenge? by "Mark Shannon" 28) Re: New OT models on PMMS site by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 29) Re: where o where for lozenge? by Dan 30) Re:Old Rhinebeck by pugs99@att.net 31) RE: Average Age? by "Ken Acosta" 32) Eduard Gun Rings. by "Len Smith" 33) Re: where o where for lozenge? by "DAVID BURKE" 34) Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel etc by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:12:58 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) Message-ID: <83.10ee789.27002aca@aol.com> Unless I've got it wrong, the URII was the 110 HP version, the URI was the 80 HP on the Eindekker, etc.; it was the 140-165 HP UR III that had problems. Fokker mounted it on the prototypes of both the D VI and the EV/DVII, but it's production was never standardized, there were problems with it, never specified, although the ersatz oil the Germans were using by 1917 is vaguely mentioned; and/or like the mid war Clergets, it may have had durability problems Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:15:37 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web site update Message-ID: <39CED167.968BA711@bellsouth.net> Dennis, Just in case you were wondering, I still hate you. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:19:07 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 Message-ID: <39CED239.50BEF584@bellsouth.net> Dale Beamish wrote: > For shame. It's worse than that. It's not getting things piled on top of it. :-(((( E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:20:06 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Candice at Old Rheinbeck Message-ID: In a message dated 9/24/00 8:54:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, candiceuhlir@hotmail.com writes: << If you guys get a chance to get out near Kingston, NY (about 90 miles north of NYC) you won't regret a visit to Old Rheinbeck. Candice >> (sound of disgruntled jealousy) RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:44:34 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Dennis, Models Message-ID: The Voisin was awesome, as usual for Dennis the Menace, but the photography was stunning, I can't get shots that close on a !/48, much less Liliput scale. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:55:02 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 Message-ID: <00c701c026ac$dd990f80$9b2cb8a1@darcy> > Dale Beamish wrote: > > > For shame. > > It's worse than that. It's not getting things piled on top of it. > :-(((( Funny you should say that. I find I stack a lot of things beside the Ol' Puter as well. Just keep it in plain view my friend. Sooner or later the wife will make you dust it or mail it ... :-) Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:17:08 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 Message-ID: <39CEDFD3.77BE94CD@bellsouth.net> Dale Beamish wrote: > > It's worse than that. It's not getting things piled on top of it. > > :-(((( > > Funny you should say that. I find I stack a lot of things beside the Ol' > Puter as well. Just keep it in plain view my friend. Sooner or later the > wife will make you dust it or mail it ... :-) Actually, I meant to say,"it's NOW getting stuff piled on it". But I can still see the end panel of the box, so I still know where it is. Let's hope for your sake I send it out long before the wife makes me clean the desk. Because she won't. She'll do it herself. And then I'll never find it. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:48:06 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Average Age? Message-ID: <39CEF526.182EAF45@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Am I the youngest member of the list??? Witold Kozakiewicz - 28 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:25:13 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "Matthew Bittner" Cc: Subject: Ansaldo A-1 site update Message-ID: <019b01c026ca$20d122c0$320106c0@acasirat> Just a couple of lines to let you know that the Ansaldo A-1 web site has been updated: - with a the second part devoted to the aeroplane restoration (http://www.museostoricobg.org/english/locatelli/libero.htm) - and with new modelling reviews (http://www.museostoricobg.org/english/locatelli/model.htm). If you will visit the site, please do not forget to sign the guest book. Thanks ! All the very best to you all, Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:32:40 +0800 From: "Carol & David Solosy" To: "WW1 list" Subject: New OT models on PMMS site Message-ID: Go to homepage at http://pmms.webace.com.au/ then click on What's New This Update for 23 September. My Roden DrI (which most of you may have seen on our WW1 site), my ICM Fokker E.IV both in a sensible scale and list member Rob Baumgartner's nicely done Nieuport 17 in that other scale. David S (who is 44 but after this weekend of fishing and drinking feels closer to 74. Need some modelling therapy) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:38:36 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: Polish translation help Message-ID: Hello Ken, Although I am not a ship modeler, I try to help you: ords I'm looking for: "malowanie poklad - naturalne drewno": "color of the deck - natural wood" "kadlub, nadbudowki - jasnoszaroniebieski": "hull, quarterdecks - light blue gray" "malowanie: bialy - kadlub, nadbudowki": "color scheme: white - hull, quarter-decks" "Piaskowo zolty kominy z czarnym pasem": "sand yellow chimneys with black band" "bialy - nadbudowki, szalupy": "white - quarderdecks, ship's boats" "zolty - kominy bez gornej czesci": "yellow - chimneys except of upper segments" "czarny - burty, gorne czesci kominow": "black - boards (ship's sides), upper segments of chmineys" "kadlub jasnoszaroniebieski": "hull light blue gray" "gorne czesc kominow - czarna": "upper segments of chimneys - black" "poklad - braz calosc szary": "deck - brown, remaining elements - gray" Despite I have taken the word "quarter-deck" out of the dictionary, I am still not sure if I have used it properly. In order to avoid misunderstanding I would like to descript that "nadbudówka" means exactly any 'building' above the deck like 'command turret', 'gun turret', 'engine compartment' etc. hth Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:46:27 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Dennis, Models Message-ID: <018601c026dd$db9cfb20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I fully endorse this! How do you do Dennis to make such amazing models, so fast and so good? I'm struggling on every square millimeter of eac model and always seem to find unpainted spots, scratches,cracks, glue stains, etc. Those close-ups shows a very tidy craftmanship! And after seeing your Voisin, I'm waiting my own kit coming from Europe with a mix of fear and curiosity! D. PS: I got hold of a Merlin Halberstadt fighter too! Even the vendor warned me about this one! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 1:48 AM Subject: Dennis, Models > The Voisin was awesome, as usual for Dennis the Menace, but the photography > was stunning, I can't get shots that close on a !/48, much less Liliput scale. > Merrill > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:56:40 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: New OT models on PMMS site Message-ID: <019401c026df$492b2260$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Very useful reviews and excellent models. I just hope that those resin guys do sell their Dr.1details separate to avoid going into the deep waters of superdetailing/modifying the Roden kit. And the Eindecker needs to go to the carwash. Nice tip that of the turnbuckles, I'll try to remember it when my albatros will be on that phase. regards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol & David Solosy > Go to homepage at http://pmms.webace.com.au/ > then click on What's New This Update for 23 September. My Roden DrI (which > most of you may have seen on our WW1 site), my ICM Fokker E.IV both in a > sensible scale and list member Rob Baumgartner's nicely done Nieuport 17 in > that other scale. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:40:25 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel Message-ID: <005401c026dd$05beeb80$7a6f6420@stephen> God morning, Lyle-- Thanks for pointing me in the direction of the USAF Museum's Ur II. I guess one reason there are so few pictures is that there are so few of them, as suggested by the caption. Dan-San Abbott also responded to my question with the only definitive statement about the visible differences. Apparently the only thing one can see from more than a couple feet away is a secondary, smaller circular face plate holding the prop shaft. I don't think one can see this feature on cowled aircraft. Perhpas you might find my latest post to Alex Revell at The Aerodrome Forum worth a good laugh. At least DSA found it funny. Best, Stef ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 2:43 PM Subject: RE: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel | Stef, | Here's the link to the USAF's Oberursel in a glass case. It looks to be an | exact copy of the LeRhone 110, right down to the copper intakes. Except | for the nameplate, of course. I will be looking at this engine in a few | days, with pictures most likely being taken. | Lyle | | http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/engines/eng30a.htm | | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:38:42 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: Subject: He's out there, lurking........ Message-ID: <69.ade0244.2700a152@aol.com> Hey guys, rumour control has it that the world famous (in the Quad Cities) Bob Horton is back on the list. Welcome back Bob! Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:45:27 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: He's out there, lurking........ Message-ID: <037c01c026ee$7b470de0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Welcome back, our finest artillery observer! ;-) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: He's out there, lurking........ > Hey guys, rumour control has it that the world famous (in the Quad Cities) Bob Horton is back on the list. Welcome back Bob! > Glen > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:47:27 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Web site update Message-ID: <200009250847_MC2-B48C-B561@compuserve.com> E, >> ust in case you were wondering, I still hate you. << I wouldn't want it any other way. Thank you. :-) Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 9/24/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:47:34 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Dennis, Models Message-ID: <200009250848_MC2-B48C-B565@compuserve.com> Merrill, >> The Voisin was awesome, as usual for Dennis the Menace, but the photography was stunning, << Thank you. That is reason I chose the Nikon 950. It has a Macro (close up) that goes down to 3/4". Now that's close. Then add the excellent resolution of the camera and you get the shots I'm getting. What I have learned about digital cameras in my short time of owning one is pixels are not the main thing. It's resolution. I'm shooting at two notches above my lowest resolution. That way I make photos of only 900k instead of 2 to 3 megs. I then use a compression program to bring them down to human size of 30-40k. High resolution and compression give the results that you see with the Voisin. I took a photo of a friend at my highest resolution and magnified 5 times I can see the contact lens on her eyeball with no loss of detail. But the key to good photography as I am finding is light and plenty of it. I use two halogens for backlight and another halogen on a swivel light to get light between the wings. And at times I will activate the flash on the camera for more light. I then adjust if necessary in my paint program. I spent most of last year shooting dark photos and I'm slowing getting smarter. I will slowly convert all of my web photos to digital. Thank you again for the kind words. I wonder who told you about me being a menace. Hummmm. Investigation is called for. :-) Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 9/24/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:47:37 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Thanks and a request Message-ID: <200009250849_MC2-B48C-B569@compuserve.com> RK, >> For 1/72, I don't know what one would use, because the wings were based on another Fokker prototype- a larger inline powered triplane than the ol' familiar one. << The wing problem is already solved. Roseplanes has a beautiful sheet of wing forms that will make any wings I need. I just need something to go on more that one photo. Anything you can dig out will be greatly appreciated. You build yours in 1/48 and I will make a duplicate in 1/72 and the group will hold us in high esteem. Or at least visit us regularly at the funny farm. :-) Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 9/24/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:47:36 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Dennis, Models Message-ID: <200009250849_MC2-B48C-B568@compuserve.com> D, Thank you so much. >> Those close-ups shows a very tidy craftsmanship! And after seeing your Voisin, I'm waiting my own kit coming from Europe with a mix of fear and curiosity! << You are going to love this kit. It's a delicate kit to build, especially the tail booms. If I were to build this kit again, I would replace the tail surfaces with lighter material. The tail attaches to the boom with only two glue points and fragile is the only word for this section. I knocked mine off three times. Beside the photos on the web site, I have a bunch of other shots showing detail areas if anyone is interested down the rode. One, thing, put the radiator together before you put the top wing on. You will save yourself much grief. >> I got hold of a Merlin Halberstadt fighter too! Even the vendor warned me about this one! << This is a nice kit and it will go together well. It was Merlin's first one (if we are talking about the D.II) and the quality is good for 1985 technology. With aftermarket products, it will be a nice looking kit. I built mine before the aftermarket products were available. With your skills and aftermarket products, it will be a show stopper. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 9/24/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:00:52 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hasegawa 1/8" Sopwith Camel Kit Message-ID: Try the HobbyLink Japan website, or send them an email, they seem to have a handle on the big ones now and then. http://www.hlj.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:26:00 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Tele-fetubies Message-ID: DB, caressing his Fe2b, and wanting: "...any really good drawings or pics around of the gunner's compartment." The Datafile picture and drawings from the spare parts catalogue are as good as it gets, and believe me, I looked. Depending on the role a particular aircraft was performing, you can augment the meager Datafile pictures with photographic, bombing, or wireless appurtenances. The sole picture in the DF is of a machine rigged for wireless telegraphy, IIRC. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:28:55 GMT From: "Candice Uhlir" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Candice at Old Rheinbeck Message-ID: I love you too RK... XXOO Candice >From: KarrArt@aol.com >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Candice at Old Rheinbeck >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:25:41 -0400 (EDT) > >In a message dated 9/24/00 8:54:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >candiceuhlir@hotmail.com writes: > ><< > If you guys get a chance to get out near Kingston, NY (about 90 miles > north of NYC) you won't regret a visit to Old Rheinbeck. > > Candice >> > > (sound of disgruntled jealousy) >RK _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:59:09 -0700 From: Myles Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: where o where for lozenge? Message-ID: <4.1.20000925084041.009f0100@mail> Hi, I'm finishing up my first WWI model since kid days [as to recent age questions, I'm right at the average age of 42]. I now want to try a DVII. I was able to get ahold of a couple Monogram kits, since I guess they are about the best alternative to the DML and old Aurora kits [ it seems you guys and gals have gathered up just about every DML 1/48 Udet DVIII kit on the planet :) ] I want to work up some schemes that include lozenge camo, and since the kit doesn't have these decals I need some aftermarket options. Searching around the net, it seems that just about all the 1/48 scale lozenge decals are no longer produced or available. I did notice, however, that Rosemont Hobbies has "Tango Papa" four color lozenge decals. My newbie question - are these accurate and easy to use? Are there any other options to obtain five-color decals? Thanks, Myles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:30:46 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Web site update Message-ID: <001201c02727$1bacef60$1e093ccc@oemcomputer> I will build one for the next cookup - but only if they issue it in 1/48 scale! Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Ugulano To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, September 24, 2000 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Web site update >Mike K, > >>> BTW, I made copies of your Voisin so when I attempt >it, at least I'll know what it is supposed to look like. Great detail >on the gun and ammo! << > > Thank you. When you get ready to build yours, let me know and I >will help you through the minefields. Lovely little kit. It will look >nice on your shelf. > > WOW!!!! The next cook up. (Dennis, fleeing for his life.) > >Dennis Ugulano >email: Uggies@compuserve.com >http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm >Page Revised 9/24/00 >"Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:44:40 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: where o where for lozenge? Message-ID: <008901c02729$0cc42f20$1e093ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Myles, The best bet for lozenge is Americal/Gryphon decals. They have almost every color of lozenge (4/c upper & lower, 5/c upper & lower, reverse 4/c & 5 c for interior, Night lozenge and a couple of alternate color 4/c I think. Also lots of iron cross/ balkencross (sic) sheets. I think there is an online catalog that Matt put up on the WW1 page. And for $6.50 a sheet they are pretty reasonable - you get a full 8 1/2 x 11 sheet full of lozenge. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Myles Miller To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:58 AM Subject: where o where for lozenge? > >Hi, > >I'm finishing up my first WWI model since kid days [as to recent age >questions, I'm right at the average age of 42]. > >I now want to try a DVII. I was able to get ahold of a couple Monogram >kits, since I guess they are about the best alternative to the DML and old >Aurora kits [ it seems you guys and gals have gathered up just about >every DML 1/48 Udet DVIII kit on the planet :) ] > >I want to work up some schemes that include lozenge camo, and since the kit >doesn't have these decals I need some aftermarket options. Searching >around the net, it seems that just about all the 1/48 scale lozenge >decals are no longer produced or available. >I did notice, however, that Rosemont Hobbies has "Tango Papa" four color >lozenge decals. My newbie question - are these accurate and easy to use? >Are there any other options to obtain five-color decals? > >Thanks, >Myles > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:42:08 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: where o where for lozenge? Message-ID: I believe you can find a lot of information on this at the FAQ's on the website. The big answer is there is Gryphon/Americal, and Kostner with the A/G decals as the generally accepted best match to known colors. There is a link to their catalog. The only drawback to A/G is that they do not do business on the internet, so you must use traditional mail. Kostner is from the UK, I believe. Superscale and AeroMaster used to have sheets of these, but both are currently OoP as you said. There is word that the AeroMaster will be reissued at some point, but I do not know when or if they will adjust the colors (especially on their 4-color, which is somewhat bright, to my eyes) when they do. I have not seen the Tango Papa sets, to date. There was some excitement about their announcement, but I have not yet seen a review. Finally, there is paint using stencils. This is not as difficult as it sounds -- and not all that much slower than decal, if you are like me and only get 30 min.-1 hour to do any model work on the average day. I would suggest that you start from the FAQ's, which will have the contact information. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:52:39 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New OT models on PMMS site Message-ID: <5c.10b6ee8.2700dcd7@aol.com> In a message dated 9/25/00 3:36:42 AM EST, solosycd@primus.com.au writes: << then click on What's New This Update for 23 September. My Roden DrI (which most of you may have seen on our WW1 site), my ICM Fokker E.IV both in a sensible scale and list member Rob Baumgartner's nicely done Nieuport 17 in that other scale. >> Very nice work indeed, David! Rob too. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:08:50 -0400 From: Dan To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: where o where for lozenge? Message-ID: <39CF86A2.D7099486@mindspring.com> Myles Miller wrote: (SNIP) > > > I want to work up some schemes that include lozenge camo, and since the kit > doesn't have these decals I need some aftermarket options. Searching > around the net, it seems that just about all the 1/48 scale lozenge > decals are no longer produced or available. > I did notice, however, that Rosemont Hobbies has "Tango Papa" four color > lozenge decals. My newbie question - are these accurate and easy to use? > Are there any other options to obtain five-color decals? Copper State sells them - http://www.amug.org/~copperst/details_48.html They seem to have both upper and lower. I don't know if they have rib tapes, though. The price sure looks right! Dan > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:08:40 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re:Old Rhinebeck Message-ID: <20000925170841.DTNC2687.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi All, Candice wrote: >>I took the advice of a list member and drove to Old Rheinbeck in NYS on thursday. Wow!! What a most cool place.<< Glad you enjoyed it!! I have found out the details on the Golden Age Biplane Fly-In this weeked 9/30-10/1. No worries for the folks going to Dayton as mostly non-military a/c will be flying in. Their will be a couple of Tiger Moths, though. Also, the OT WWI airshow is scheduled for Sunday, weather permitting, as always. I am planning on attending Sunday, 10/1. Let me know if any other Listmemers are planning to attend. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:30:31 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: RE: Average Age? Message-ID: > I remember we discussed this a few years ago, but I forgot what the answer > is. Mid 40's? 37 Ken Acosta ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:48:16 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Eduard Gun Rings. Message-ID: <000a01c02718$cb2b8820$af5808c3@mesh> Greetings, I have just received the Scarff and Nieuport gun ring etched sets, and I am still reeling from the shock. Each fret contains parts to make two rings, and two Lewis guns, although you have to supply plastic rod for the barrels of these. The detail on all parts is incredible, these are not just re-does of the rings in the Strutter kits, as well as the guns each also includes four ring sights and four Norman Vane sights (I think.... I am waiting for my new microscope to arrive to be sure !) Plus the Scarff set includes some minute O rings for the fixings on the sides of the rings. By the way, these frets are plated brass. I don't know whether to attempt to use these, or to frame them and add them to my art collection. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:53:50 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: where o where for lozenge? Message-ID: <001f01c02719$a24265e0$af8eaec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shannon" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:48 AM Subject: Re: where o where for lozenge? > I believe you can find a lot of information on this at the FAQ's on the website. > > The big answer is there is Gryphon/Americal, and Kostner with the A/G decals as the generally accepted best match to known colors. There is a link to their catalog. The only drawback to A/G is that they do not do business on the internet, so you must use traditional mail. Kostner is from the UK, I believe. Actually, KOSTER is in the U.S., in the Chicago area. Check the FAQ section. Also, our very own Eric Hight of Copper State Models has nice 5-color loz. I agree that for 4-color loz, A/G is the way to go. DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:55:28 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: skarver@banet.net, ggraf@vo.lu, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel etc Message-ID: <200009251755.TAA00517@mail-relay.eunet.no> Hei, I mainly thought of these photos as generic examples of WW1 engines, here are a few more details, left to right, starting with top row: 1. Clerget BLIN 9B Motor rotativo radial de 9 cilindros 130hp at 1250rpm. Photo taken in Muso Aerospacial, Rio de Janeiro 2. Photo taken at RAF Museum in 98, I agree that this isn`t a Clerget, think I photographed it next to a Clerget engined Avro 504K and placed the picture in the same folder - so unless someone else comes up with better identification lets call it a Le Rhone 80hp. 3/4. Armstrong Siddley Puma photographed in the RNoAF restoration facility. Used for Supermarine Channel flying boats and Bristol Fighters. It was so unreliable that the Norwegian armed forces considered fitting BMW engines to the Bristol Fighters! 5-7. Mercedes photographed in the RNoAF restoration facility, typical use was Hansa Brandenburger W.33, but there were a lot of different variants in Norwegian aircraft. One problem in tracking down their use is that the original serials etc were replaced with internal MF numbering which doesn`t tell about make, variant and serial. 8. Motor Le Rhone, think I can read 80hp on my best print. Photo taken in Muso Aerospacial, Rio de Janeiro. So it is not the same engine as #2, in fact they are an ocean apart... 9. Stack of propellers in the RNoAF restoration facility. You can paint them any colour as long as it is brown. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2666 **********************