WWI Digest 2664 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Web site update by "Matthew Bittner" 2) Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 by "Courtney Allen" 3) Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 by "Courtney Allen" 4) Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel by Mike Kavanaugh 5) Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel by MAnde72343@aol.com 6) Re: Web site update by Mike Kavanaugh 7) Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel by skarver@banet.net 8) Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel by skarver@banet.net 9) WWI 8mm Update by Brent & Tina Theobald 10) Re: WWI 8mm Update by skarver@banet.net 11) Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel by "Geoff Smith" 13) RE: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel by "Gaston Graf" 14) RE: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel by "Lyle Lamboley" 15) Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel by skarver@banet.net 16) RE: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel by "Gaston Graf" 17) Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) by skarver@banet.net 18) Polish translation help by "K. Hagerup" 19) RE: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) by "Gaston Graf" 20) Re: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) by skarver@banet.net 21) RE: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) by "Gaston Graf" 22) Post snippage by Shane & Lorna Jenkins ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:00:13 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Web site update Message-ID: <200009241559.IAA14779@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:08:30 -0400 (EDT), Dennis Ugulano wrote: > Just a note to say the Voisin and Nieuport 16c photos have been > upgraded to digital shots. I am very pleased with the results of the > Voisin shots. I agree with Richard. The Voisin is one of Dennis' best. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:12:51 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 Message-ID: <000f01c02642$502e9120$13c1480c@oemcomputer> Ernest, Just a quick note to let you know your book went out Friday. Sorry for the delay. Courtney ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 8:12 PM Subject: Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 > Ok Courtney, Mike sold me. What do I have to do to get a copy? > E. > > > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > > WOW! Anyone who doesn't have this should take advantage of the offer. It's a > > little hard to believe at that price. > > Mike Muth...bouight mine awhile ago for a lot more and would do it again. > > > > Courtney Allen wrote: > > > > > Anyone looking for Flying Press's "High in the Empty Blue", History of the > > > 56 Squadron, my local Costco has it for $14.98! I would be willing to send > > > copies to those not near a Costco, though this is a monster book and the > > > ship costs would reflect it (Book rate is an option). > > > > > > Courtney > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:13:44 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 Message-ID: <002d01c02642$9f2e90e0$13c1480c@oemcomputer> Craig, Just a quick note to let you know your book went out Friday. Sorry for the delay. Courtney ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Gavin To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 9:11 PM Subject: Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 > Courtney - That would be great!! It's awful nice of you to go so far out of > your way. But it is much appreciate. Will await your e-mail. Best regards > - craig > > > From: "Courtney Allen" > > Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:49:08 -0400 (EDT) > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 > > > > Craig, Let me in the next day or two pick up a couple copies of the book and > > check out the book postal rate. I will then let you and Ernest know what > > the total comes out to (ie. price+tax+shipping) then you can send me payment > > and you got it! > > Courtney > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Craig Gavin" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 7:17 AM > > Subject: Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 > > > > > >> Courtney - If the offer still holds and you're willing, I'd appreciate the > >> kindness. What do you need from me? - Craig Gavin > >> > >>> From: "Courtney Allen" > >>> Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > >>> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:25:17 -0400 (EDT) > >>> To: Multiple recipients of list > >>> Subject: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 > >>> > >>> Anyone looking for Flying Press's "High in the Empty Blue", History of > > the > >>> 56 Squadron, my local Costco has it for $14.98! I would be willing to > > send > >>> copies to those not near a Costco, though this is a monster book and the > >>> ship costs would reflect it (Book rate is an option). > >>> > >>> Courtney > >>> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:22:53 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel Message-ID: <39CE467D.42EA24E1@earthlink.net> Stef, Check out http://spavalda.polito.it:80/museo_poli/capetti/radiali.html It's the polytech museum in Turin, Italy. The Capetti collection of engines includes many OT engines. There's a good picture of the LeRhone9J. Haven't found the Oberusel II yet. hth Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:35:50 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel Message-ID: <13.b2624eb.26ff8766@aol.com> There's a photo of Richtofen's engine from the IWM on page 72 of the Ferko book; the 'sign' in the photo says Le Rhone, but the serial numbers prove it to be a Thulin made Oberusel. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:45:34 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web site update Message-ID: <39CE4BCE.C724B0AD@earthlink.net> Nice shots, Dennis. I'm beginning to feel deprived in that I don't own a digital camera. BTW, I made copies of your Voisin so when I attempt it, at least I'll know what it is supposed to look like. Great detail on the gun and ammo! Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:58:32 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel Message-ID: <001801c02640$4ca02520$16fe6520@stephen> Mike-- Thanks...but been there, done that. The Turin gif file is sufficiently hish resolution, and the particular example lacks somem details, the rocker arm, for instance. Best, Stef ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Kavanaugh" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel | Stef, | Check out http://spavalda.polito.it:80/museo_poli/capetti/radiali.html | | It's the polytech museum in Turin, Italy. The Capetti collection of | engines includes many OT engines. There's a good picture of the | LeRhone9J. Haven't found the Oberusel II yet. | | hth | Mike K. | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:00:37 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel Message-ID: <001f01c02640$967227c0$16fe6520@stephen> Merrill-- Thanks. Not that I have the Ferko book, but in what way does what serial number prove which engine it was. Nonetheless, the misattribution suggests that without external evidence it may be almost impossible to differentiate these engines visually? Regards, Stef ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel | There's a photo of Richtofen's engine from the IWM on page 72 of the Ferko | book; the 'sign' in the photo says Le Rhone, but the serial numbers prove it | to be a Thulin made Oberusel. | Merrill | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:19:35 -0500 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: WWI 8mm Update Message-ID: <39CE37A7.FB1992F7@airmail.net> Hey everybody, I'm going to let the movies go. They are over $20 now and they're not worth that to me. If anyone else is interested in them the auctions aren't over yet: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=441351999 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=441356655 Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:38:05 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: WWI 8mm Update Message-ID: <004601c02645$d2496c40$16fe6520@stephen> Good afternoon, Listers-- I was in communication with the seller about these offerings. And I think it is clear that these are commercial footage now available already in video format. And I would suspect that the ebay items are approaching the retail price of these. One list member quoted a source for the VHS tapes. Can he kindly repost? Regards, Stef ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent & Tina Theobald" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 1:17 PM Subject: WWI 8mm Update | Hey everybody, | | I'm going to let the movies go. They are over $20 now and they're not worth | that to me. If anyone else is interested in them the auctions aren't over | yet: | | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=441351999 | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=441356655 | | Later! | | Brent | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:40:03 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel Message-ID: <82.1060676.26ff9673@aol.com> In a message dated 9/24/00 9:38:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: << serial numbers prove it to be a Thulin made Oberusel. >> That whole Thulin thing was another 100% Weyl invention. Jeez, his legacy still lingers. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:01:43 +0100 From: "Geoff Smith" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel Message-ID: <39CE4F97.2251.2255C9B@localhost> > Good morning, List-- > What are the tell-tale visible differences between the French and German > engine? Am I correct that the Le Rhone had a circular main 'face' > plate, > the Oberusel II a hexagonal one? If yes, what other fine points > distinguish them, and where can I find detailed photos sowing these > differences. > TIA to all and regards, > Stef Not sure about the "main face (cam cover?) but if so you've probably got it right way round. Is there something about bolts (or lack of them) in the same cam cover? Le Rhone has, Oberursel hasn't? Or am I suffering from lack of sleep through watching Britain ruling the waves again? Sorry I can't be specific, it seems my engine file's done a runner. Geoff Standing out in the open ready to take it on the chin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:17:35 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel Message-ID: Hello Stef, did you notice that Jasta Boelcke is hosting pictures of 1) Oberursel at the German Museum in Munich, 4 detailed photographs ? 2) detailed LeRhone picture provided by Knut Erik Hagen ? Unfortunately I have no technical data sheets yet but will provide them as soon as I will find the information. You can access the photographs at the WORKBENCH section. have fun kind regards Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > skarver@banet.net > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 5:25 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel > > > Good morning, List-- > What are the tell-tale visible differences between the French and German > engine? Am I correct that the Le Rhone had a circular main 'face' plate, > the Oberusel II a hexagonal one? If yes, what other fine points > distinguish them, and where can I find detailed photos sowing these > differences. > TIA to all and regards, > Stef > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:39:25 -0400 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: "wwi" Subject: RE: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel Message-ID: <4120009024183925980@earthlink.net> Stef, Here's the link to the USAF's Oberursel in a glass case. It looks to be an exact copy of the LeRhone 110, right down to the copper intakes. Except for the nameplate, of course. I will be looking at this engine in a few days, with pictures most likely being taken. Lyle http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/engines/eng30a.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:42:58 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel Message-ID: <006301c0264e$e2de54e0$16fe6520@stephen> Good day, Gaston-- Thanks for the tip. These images will doubtless come in handy at some point. However, I belive you need to make some changes in your site with respect to the attributions of the engines. The 4 images of the Oberursel that you have associated with the Dr.I are of the 80 hp (?) Ur I version installed on the earlier Fokkers: E.III, D. II (which may have been a Gnome knock-off?). The second image on the top row of the of the Engines page is, I beleive, a Le Rhone 80 hp,as installed on the earlier Nieuports ( Bebe, Parasol), not a Clerget. This is the same engine type as pictured in the second row with a propeller installed (perhaps the museum has two?). It would be helpful to make the distinction between these Le Rhone's and the later the 9J (installed on the Ni. 17), whose most obvious difference is the relocation of the manifold pipes to the rear of the engine, as on the Oberursel Ur II copy. BTW, to respond to Geoff Smith, after looking at the 9J drawing posted on the Nieuport iste, I believe I may have been mistaken about the shape of the cam cover face plate. I don't think there is a difference. And as far as nuts and bolts go, I can't see any difference there either! Regards to all, Stef ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaston Graf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: RE: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel | Hello Stef, | | did you notice that Jasta Boelcke is hosting pictures of | | 1) Oberursel at the German Museum in Munich, 4 detailed photographs ? | | 2) detailed LeRhone picture provided by Knut Erik Hagen ? | | Unfortunately I have no technical data sheets yet but will provide them as | soon as I will find the information. | | You can access the photographs at the WORKBENCH section. | | have fun | | kind regards | | Gaston Graf | (ggraf@vo.lu) | Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: | http://www.jastaboelcke.de | | | | > -----Original Message----- | > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of | > skarver@banet.net | > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 5:25 PM | > To: Multiple recipients of list | > Subject: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel | > | > | > Good morning, List-- | > What are the tell-tale visible differences between the French and German | > engine? Am I correct that the Le Rhone had a circular main 'face' plate, | > the Oberusel II a hexagonal one? If yes, what other fine points | > distinguish them, and where can I find detailed photos sowing these | > differences. | > TIA to all and regards, | > Stef | > | > | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:56:47 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel Message-ID: Steff, thanks a lot for the info! I am appreciating every information that I can get because I don't have much about the engines. I photographed the Oberursel in Munich but had not much time to deal with details so I forgot to look at the technical data sheet hanging next to the engine. I will add your info to the pages. I do also have a picture taken from below of the Dr1 replica in Munich which is equipped with a LeRhone. But I haven't posted that picture yet. As for the pics of Knut Erik Hagen they are provided as is. Maybe Knut has more info about them? sincerely Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > skarver@banet.net > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 8:50 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel > > > Good day, Gaston-- > Thanks for the tip. These images will doubtless come in handy at some > point. However, I belive you need to make some changes in your site with > respect to the attributions of the engines. > The 4 images of the Oberursel that you have associated with the > Dr.I are of > the 80 hp (?) Ur I version installed on the earlier Fokkers: E.III, D. II > (which may have been a Gnome knock-off?). > The second image on the top row of the of the Engines page is, I > beleive, a > Le Rhone 80 hp,as installed on the earlier Nieuports ( Bebe, > Parasol), not a > Clerget. This is the same engine type as pictured in the second > row with a > propeller installed (perhaps the museum has two?). It would be helpful to > make the distinction between these Le Rhone's and the later the 9J > (installed on the Ni. 17), whose most obvious difference is the relocation > of the manifold pipes to the rear of the engine, as on the Oberursel Ur II > copy. > > BTW, to respond to Geoff Smith, after looking at the 9J drawing posted on > the Nieuport iste, I believe I may have been mistaken about the > shape of the > cam cover face plate. I don't think there is a difference. And as far as > nuts and bolts go, I can't see any difference there either! > Regards to all, > Stef > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gaston Graf" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 2:22 PM > Subject: RE: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel > > > | Hello Stef, > | > | did you notice that Jasta Boelcke is hosting pictures of > | > | 1) Oberursel at the German Museum in Munich, 4 detailed photographs ? > | > | 2) detailed LeRhone picture provided by Knut Erik Hagen ? > | > | Unfortunately I have no technical data sheets yet but will > provide them as > | soon as I will find the information. > | > | You can access the photographs at the WORKBENCH section. > | > | have fun > | > | kind regards > | > | Gaston Graf > | (ggraf@vo.lu) > | Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > | http://www.jastaboelcke.de > | > | > | > | > -----Original Message----- > | > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > | > skarver@banet.net > | > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 5:25 PM > | > To: Multiple recipients of list > | > Subject: Le Rhone 9J vs Oberusel > | > > | > > | > Good morning, List-- > | > What are the tell-tale visible differences between the French > and German > | > engine? Am I correct that the Le Rhone had a circular main 'face' > plate, > | > the Oberusel II a hexagonal one? If yes, what other fine points > | > distinguish them, and where can I find detailed photos sowing these > | > differences. > | > TIA to all and regards, > | > Stef > | > > | > > | > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:58:59 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) Message-ID: <007b01c02651$1fb78060$16fe6520@stephen> Hello again, List-- Another related question on the Oberursel: When did this engine first make its appearance and on what aircraft? The summer of '17 on the Fok. D.VI? And finally, am I correct in remembering reading that there were production problems on the Ur II, and this accounts for the alternate installation of Le Rhone's? Kind regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:03:30 -0500 From: "K. Hagerup" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Polish translation help Message-ID: <39CE5002.7FD8@prodigy.net> I recently bought several Modelkrak ships and have been unable to find on online translation of Polish to English. Words I'm looking for: malowanie poklad - naturalne drewno kadlub, nadbudowki - jasnoszroniebieski malowanie: bialy - kadlub, nadbudowki Piaskowo zolty kominy z czarnym passem bialy - nadbudowki, szalupy zolty - kominy bez gomej czesci czarny - burty, gorne czesci kominow kadlub jesnoszaroniebieski gorne czesc kominow - czarna poklad - braz calosc szary Thanks, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:25:24 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) Message-ID: Stef, here are some details: Fokker V4 D VI (prototype of Dr1 shown at Jasta Boelcke) was equipped with LeRhône 110PS Fokker V5 D VI (later became FI 101/17) was equipped with Oberursel II 110PS Fokker V6 D VII (Triplane, not Fokker D.VII) was equipped with Mercedes inline DIII 160 (no serial production) Fokker V7 was equipped with Siemens Sh 3 rotary 160PS, 4blade Prop, (no serial production) The first copies of LeRhônes was installed in the Fokker M5L (unarmed Eindecker - picture at the WORKBENCH of Jasta Boelcke). About 51 Dr1 (16%) was equipped with captured LeRhônes which proved to be less reliable than the German copies because they did not run well with castor oil. Some Dr1 was also equipped with Clergets and Gnômes. hope this helps, will provide more info about Dr1 engines at my website later Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > skarver@banet.net > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 9:05 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) > > > Hello again, List-- > Another related question on the Oberursel: When did this engine first make > its appearance and on what aircraft? The summer of '17 on the Fok. D.VI? > And finally, am I correct in remembering reading that there were > production > problems on the Ur II, and this accounts for the alternate installation of > Le Rhone's? > Kind regards, > Stef > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:48:38 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) Message-ID: <00a401c02658$0f4dac20$16fe6520@stephen> Hello, Gaston, As pointed to by Lyle, there is a good photo of the Ur II at http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/engines/eng30a.htm Per the caption, if the Ur II was an exact copy of the Le Rhone, on what basis do we know which engines were installed in which airframes as you have cited below (V4, V5, for instance)? Do these come from Fokker Works archives? Dare I ask? Do we owe these engine assignments to Alex Imrie? Regards, Stef ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaston Graf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 3:30 PM Subject: RE: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) | Stef, | | here are some details: | | Fokker V4 D VI (prototype of Dr1 shown at Jasta Boelcke) was equipped with | LeRhône 110PS | | Fokker V5 D VI (later became FI 101/17) was equipped with Oberursel II 110PS | | Fokker V6 D VII (Triplane, not Fokker D.VII) was equipped with Mercedes | inline DIII 160 (no serial production) | | Fokker V7 was equipped with Siemens Sh 3 rotary 160PS, 4blade Prop, (no | serial production) | | The first copies of LeRhônes was installed in the Fokker M5L (unarmed | Eindecker - picture at the WORKBENCH of Jasta Boelcke). | | About 51 Dr1 (16%) was equipped with captured LeRhônes which proved to be | less reliable than the German copies because they did not run well with | castor oil. Some Dr1 was also equipped with Clergets and Gnômes. | | hope this helps, will provide more info about Dr1 engines at my website | later | | Gaston Graf | (ggraf@vo.lu) | Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: | http://www.jastaboelcke.de | | > -----Original Message----- | > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of | > skarver@banet.net | > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 9:05 PM | > To: Multiple recipients of list | > Subject: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) | > | > | > Hello again, List-- | > Another related question on the Oberursel: When did this engine first make | > its appearance and on what aircraft? The summer of '17 on the Fok. D.VI? | > And finally, am I correct in remembering reading that there were | > production | > problems on the Ur II, and this accounts for the alternate installation of | > Le Rhone's? | > Kind regards, | > Stef | > | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:06:48 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) Message-ID: Stef, believe me there is yet another world than the world of Imrie :o). The information that I provided was taken from the book: "Flugzeuge die Geschichte machten - Fokker Dr.1" author: Jörg Armin Kranzhoff editor: Motorbuchverlag, Stuttgart 1994 ISBN 3-613-01514-5 It's a German book by a German editor and afaIk not available in English. Because Kranzoff made extensive use of the Fokker Archives I believe the information came from there. You seemingly doubt my information. I only can tell you what I wrote down for you from a book. If it is accurate or not is something only the author knows. Maybe I should refrain from giving information from other than the books known in the English speaking part of the planet if it is doubted anyway? If you're in doubt, Stef, why not travelling to Amsterdam for a visit at the Fokker archives ;o). Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Hello, Gaston, > As pointed to by Lyle, there is a good photo of the Ur II at > http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/engines/eng30a.htm > > Per the caption, if the Ur II was an exact copy of the Le Rhone, on what > basis do we know which engines were installed in which airframes > as you have > cited below (V4, V5, for instance)? > Do these come from Fokker Works archives? Dare I ask? Do we owe these > engine assignments to Alex Imrie? > > Regards, > Stef > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gaston Graf" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 3:30 PM > Subject: RE: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) > > > | Stef, > | > | here are some details: > | > | Fokker V4 D VI (prototype of Dr1 shown at Jasta Boelcke) was > equipped with > | LeRhône 110PS > | > | Fokker V5 D VI (later became FI 101/17) was equipped with Oberursel II > 110PS > | > | Fokker V6 D VII (Triplane, not Fokker D.VII) was equipped with Mercedes > | inline DIII 160 (no serial production) > | > | Fokker V7 was equipped with Siemens Sh 3 rotary 160PS, 4blade Prop, (no > | serial production) > | > | The first copies of LeRhônes was installed in the Fokker M5L (unarmed > | Eindecker - picture at the WORKBENCH of Jasta Boelcke). > | > | About 51 Dr1 (16%) was equipped with captured LeRhônes which > proved to be > | less reliable than the German copies because they did not run well with > | castor oil. Some Dr1 was also equipped with Clergets and Gnômes. > | > | hope this helps, will provide more info about Dr1 engines at my website > | later > | > | Gaston Graf > | (ggraf@vo.lu) > | Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > | http://www.jastaboelcke.de > | > | > -----Original Message----- > | > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > | > skarver@banet.net > | > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 9:05 PM > | > To: Multiple recipients of list > | > Subject: Oberursel Ur II production Questions(s) > | > > | > > | > Hello again, List-- > | > Another related question on the Oberursel: When did this engine first > make > | > its appearance and on what aircraft? The summer of '17 on the Fok. > D.VI? > | > And finally, am I correct in remembering reading that there were > | > production > | > problems on the Ur II, and this accounts for the alternate > installation > of > | > Le Rhone's? > | > Kind regards, > | > Stef > | > > | > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:19:10 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Post snippage Message-ID: <39CE6FCE.960CCF@tac.com.au> Hi, I would just like to echo Sandy's post from theb other day & ask that people snip their posts & only include the relevant parts in their posts. Otherwise people on digest & loose mail will get a lot of stuff they've seen before. It only takes a small time to do so, but you'll get the gratitute of everyone ;-). Regards, Shane ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2664 **********************