WWI Digest 2659 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Question re: Italian squadron names - Thanks by Zulis@aol.com 2) RE: Holding and masking by "Graham Hunter" 3) Please respect the integrity of the List by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 4) RE: Please respect the integrity of the List by "Gaston Graf" 5) Average Age? by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 6) RE: Sanding vacs - not! by Matt Kessler 7) To scrape or not to scrape - was Sanding vacs - not! by "Sandy Adam" 8) RE: Average Age? by "Graham Hunter" 9) RE: A nice gift by "Lance Krieg" 10) RE: Please respect the integrity of the List by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 11) Re: To scrape or not to scrape - was Sanding vacs - not! by "Michael Kendix" 12) Re: Masking and Holding by "Nigel Rayner" 13) Re: Holding and Masking by "Nigel Rayner" 14) RE: Average Age? by "dfernet0" 15) RE: Average Age? by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 16) Re: Please respect the integrity of the List by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 17) Re: Average Age? by Zulis@aol.com 18) RE: Average Age? by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 19) Re: Average Age? by MAnde72343@aol.com 20) RE: Average Age? by "Graham Hunter" 21) RE: Average Age? by "Lyle Lamboley" 22) Re: Average Age? by Mike Kavanaugh 23) Re: To scrape or not to scrape - was Sanding vacs - not! by Dennis Ugulano 24) Re: Average Age? by Mike Kavanaugh 25) RE: Please respect the integrity of the List by "Gaston Graf" 26) Sanding Vacs by "Roger Belanger" 27) Halberstadt Cl II question by Otisgood@aol.com 28) Re: Halberstadt Cl II question by "Lance Krieg" 29) Re: Halberstadt Cl II question by Otisgood@aol.com 30) Re: Sanding Vacs by MAnde72343@aol.com 31) Re: Halberstadt Cl II question by MAnde72343@aol.com 32) Re: Halberstadt Cl II question by Otisgood@aol.com 33) =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6ring_+_Udet_discharge_info?= by "Gaston Graf" 34) RE: Halberstadt Cl II question by "Gaston Graf" 35) Re: Halberstadt Cl II question by Otisgood@aol.com 36) Make em laugh!, was Re: Average Age? by Ernest Thomas 37) Re: Sanding Vacs by Mike Kavanaugh 38) Re: Average Age? by "David Calhoun" 39) Re: Halberstadt Cl II question by "David Calhoun" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:35:03 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Question re: Italian squadron names - Thanks Message-ID: <49.11ee5c5.26fcba07@aol.com> Thank you Alberto and Witold. With that reassurance, I will now edit my database to make it consistent and work properly. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:03:18 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Holding and masking Message-ID: <000001c0249d$dccc0f00$fa0101c0@grahamh> -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Matt Bittner If you have hair on your forehead, you have other problems besides going bald. ;-) ROTFL Sure would make it to detack tape... ;~} Graham ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:14:02 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Please respect the integrity of the List Message-ID: I seem to have noticed some off list posts lately where many of the recipients are members of the WWI list. And they did not appreciate the messages/stories/plea/thread/joke contained. Please refrain from adding members of the List to personal postings unless you *really* know said individual and have his okay send email like this. I note that on this list and several others I'm on that although we can really share a passion for the topic at hand, that doesn't mean we share the same sense of humor or politics. I realize this may be obvious to some, and I hope I don't overstep Allan, but I thought a reminder wouldn't hurt. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:01:20 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Please respect the integrity of the List Message-ID: I really don't want to be offending and I want to respect the integrity of the list as well as the rules indeed but especially on this list there are so much reminders that it sometimes becomes really annoying. I hate censorship of that kind! I am member of other lists too but I never read that many reminders than I read on this list. I've got to confess that this is really spoiling fun to discuss with other to exchange opinions if one has to verify each and every word one is typing for being OT or not. On this list is seems to be unwanted to: 1) thank other people for info they provided (but isn't it just a matter of good manners to say "thank you" for something other people helped with? Atleast that's what I was educated to). 2) discuss anything different than WW1 (isn't it just a normal thing to slip ot sometimes in discussions?) 3) write messages in a way that it's fun to read for other (is it really necessary to write list messages as dry as a phonebook?) I'm not a dead body yet - I am ALIVE - people who know me in person know that I love to laugh when I talk with people.... Aren't mailing lists meant for natural characters? Do my bones have to bleech in the sun BEFORE I can discuss with this list? My apologies Ladies and Gentlemen - maybe with only 35 years I am just to young for this list. respectfully Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de PS: Wasn't there a recent reminder telling list members to sign messages correctly? Where is the name of the author of the message below? Nobody's perfect - ain't that so? > > > I seem to have noticed some off list posts lately where many of the > recipients are members of the WWI list. > And they did not appreciate the messages/stories/plea/thread/joke > contained. > Please refrain from adding members of the List to personal postings unless > you *really* know said individual and have his okay send email like this. > I note that on this list and several others I'm on that although we can > really share a passion for the topic at hand, that doesn't mean we share > the same sense of humor or politics. > I realize this may be obvious to some, and I hope I don't overstep Allan, > but I thought a reminder wouldn't hurt. > Brian > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:14:05 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Average Age? Message-ID: I remember we discussed this a few years ago, but I forgot what the answer is. Mid 40's? However, I remember that I am towards the younger age of the list (31). So, Gaston, is not THAT young. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:16:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Kessler To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Sanding vacs - not! Message-ID: <20000922151651.83023.qmail@web9307.mail.yahoo.com> Sandy, So do you scrape to remove the fuselage too? Matt K. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:27:37 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: To scrape or not to scrape - was Sanding vacs - not! Message-ID: <00ad01c024a9$cc9ba800$27e8b094@sandyada> > Obviously, this works, since I've seen Sandy's outstanding results on the > WWI modelling site but I'm unclear as to what is happening here. I am > concerned about "violent" scraping. Are you scoring the trailing edge? Why thank you kind Sir! I first saw this demonstrated by John Adams of Aeroclub - who used to do "masterclasses" at IPMS Nats and various shows. I've never looked back. I'm right handed so I hold the vac wing half in left hand with TE nearest ground and inner face of vac towards me. If its a large wing I may hold a piece of plywood or similar behind it to stop it flexing. I hold scraper in right hand and put the straight blade on the left edge of TE mating face. (Imagine a Curtiss Jenny. Think of those wing fence things above the wing - the Felixstowes had them too. That's what the Stanley blade looks like in relation to the wing inner surface - but the blade is on the trailing edge) Next I draw my right hand along the wing as strongly as I can and shout with glee as a huge chunk of scrapite(!) wallops off the wing. Two or three more and it starts to look like a thin wing. A few more and it starts to be thin. Then a gentler touch, four or five passes and the wing is ready. Nothing touches the actual TE at any stage, contact is always with the inner rear mating faces of the wing. I saw a chap swithering over a vac on the Aeroclub stand once (it was 1/72 - and Matt will be proud to know that I helped notwithstanding). I asked John if he might help with some advice and, quick as a flash, he opened the bag, scored out the wing and set to with his scraper. I promise you the wing half was thin and perfect in about 3 or 4 minutes. The chap bought about 5 vacs there and then and went home a very happy man. (John's late wife was not so pleased about the scrapings everywhere though!) Obviously the key to this is practice - and the confidence that comes with practice - but hey! this works for me - you each make up your own mind and see what works best for you. Its just another technique that some may like and some may not. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:36:00 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Average Age? Message-ID: <000101c024aa$cfee11e0$fa0101c0@grahamh> <> 37 by the calander, but I still play with toys (at least thats what the little woman calls them) ;-) GH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:32:09 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: A nice gift Message-ID: Now that Diego has achieved perfection, he can expect many more OT gifts, I hope. I use a variable speed control to keep my Moto-tool from running too fast, but it is only moderately useful. I suspect that only the very best flexible-shaft tools, like Fordham, can really gear down to a slow but constant speed for plastic work. A pedal-operated speed control DOES let one adjust while grinding/sanding, though. Another tool that I have, but have not tried to use for modeling, is a bench-mounted belt sander. Its induction motor gives a steady low speed, and it ought to be useful for sanding out vacs - but I'm afraid that it might be too agressive. Anyone tried one of these? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:49:44 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Please respect the integrity of the List Message-ID: Gaston, I am not upset with what has been posted before ON the list, I'm objecting to taking my name as a list user and placing onto another list without my consent. I get more than enough email traffic as it is!! We seem to go through periods where we have to post obvious rules, then go for months just talking MODELS (ThankYou!!) If you look back at previous posts - I've passed OT humor, or at least List humor back and forth with the rest of the gang. If age is a defining factor, I'm as sprightly as you "old man" ;-) And my software reads back the sender as in - - Gaston Graf - ggraf@vo.lu So I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that my full email address is visible to others - my apolgies. Brian Brian Nicklas Archives Division, Room 3148 National Air and Space Museum Smithsonian Institution Washington, DC 20560-0322 USA 1-202-357-3133 (telephone) 1-202-786-2835 (telefax) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:54:40 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: To scrape or not to scrape - was Sanding vacs - not! Message-ID: >From: "Sandy Adam" >I'm right handed so I hold the vac wing half in left hand with TE >nearest >ground and inner face of vac towards me. If its a large wing >I may hold a >piece of plywood or similar behind it to stop it >flexing. I hold scraper >in right hand and put the straight blade on >the left edge of TE mating >face. Just to be clear. "Mating face". Do your vacs have a seperate vac part for the upper and lower surfaces of the wings? I know you stick to 1/48th scale. Since I build 1/72, the 3 vacs I've built all have a single sheet per wing. You have to "make" your own undersurface features. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:12:28 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Re: Masking and Holding Message-ID: <000c01c024b2$178bf240$3f4a883e@w1o0t3> Shane wrote: > Sounds likely. I have enough room to provide masking for a 1/32 Staaken... Nice One! ROTFLMAO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:24:48 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Re: Holding and Masking Message-ID: <000d01c024b2$183b6c20$3f4a883e@w1o0t3> Matt wrote: >If you have hair on your forehead, you have other problems besides >going bald. ;-) Funny you should say that, I *do* get hair on my forehead. It happens about once a month around full moon time. I could never figure that out. Apologies for the OT post, Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:20:20 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Average Age? Message-ID: <012701c024b1$01623ac0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> 31, as Brent. And still playing, as Graham. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:11:31 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Average Age? Message-ID: >31, as Brent. And still playing, as Graham. >D. Add me to the 31 club, still playing (whenever I can get the toys back from my tqo year old son.) MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:48:02 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Please respect the integrity of the List Message-ID: <74.33df284.26fce742@aol.com> In a message dated 9/22/00 10:50:35 AM EST, Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu writes: << I am not upset with what has been posted before ON the list, I'm objecting to taking my name as a list user and placing onto another list without my consent. I >> Brian (and interested others) As the person who committed the crime of (gasp! shock!) sharing a joke with friends that was so good it took on a life of its own with others adding in their 2 cents to the punch lines, let me say that no one was "put on a list" against their will that I am aware of. There are a number of people on The Holy List who I consider friends now on other things than funny-looking airplane models; when something comes across the screen that makes me guffaw, I pass it along to my friends the same way someone likely passes on a good joke they heard when they run across you at the water cooler. Sorry I offended - you won't have to worry about laughs in the mail anymore - jokes are like Hollywood movies: you never know when you'll have a Big Hit on your hands. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:01:15 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Average Age? Message-ID: <69.ac23a75.26fcea5b@aol.com> When the survey was taken about a year ago, the average age of the list members was (if I recall correctly) 42. We have all gotten a little older since then, but perhaps the average has not, as younger/older members come and go. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:24:00 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: Average Age? Message-ID: > I remember we discussed this a few years ago, but I forgot what the answer > is. Mid 40's? 32 Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:56:24 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Average Age? Message-ID: <71.6d0f08e.26fcf748@aol.com> The average age of modelers is almost exactly the same as the average age of "baby boomers," 45, give or take 2 years; so the list is statistically average, although it is nice to know there are some younger members, ANYONE ON THE LIST 25 or younger? It would be nice to know the hobby/craft/art has someplace to go besides the nursing home Merrill (older than average) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:24:24 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Average Age? Message-ID: <000401c024c2$560b2440$fa0101c0@grahamh> When the survey was taken about a year ago, the average age of the list members was (if I recall correctly) 42. Of course 42 is the answer to the meaning of life, the universe and everything... ;-) Recalling HGTTG-Don't Panic, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:46:47 -0400 From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Average Age? Message-ID: <4120009522184647140@earthlink.net> I thought I had it all figured out by the time I was 18! Gee, one learns a lot on this list... Lyle (who at 38 still doesn't know how to control his girth) > [Original Message] > From: Graham Hunter > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: 9/22/00 2:21:59 PM > Subject: RE: Average Age? > > When the survey was taken about a year ago, the average age of the list > members was (if I recall correctly) 42. > > Of course 42 is the answer to the meaning of life, the universe and > everything... ;-) > Recalling HGTTG-Don't Panic, Graham > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:01:54 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Average Age? Message-ID: <39CBC8C2.13FCA03A@earthlink.net> 63 and my wife says I'm in my second childhood and never seem to have enough toys to play with. Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:59:58 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: To scrape or not to scrape - was Sanding vacs - not! Message-ID: <200009221500_MC2-B460-20D4@compuserve.com> Sandy, >> Why thank you kind Sir! I first saw this demonstrated by John Adams of Aeroclub - who used to do "masterclasses" at IPMS Nats and various shows. I've never looked back. << What a privilege that must have been. John and I have spoken on the phone in the past and he explained his system to me. He even sent me the scraper and T bar aluminum and some two sided tape. I use both methods for sandings vacs. On some of the smaller kits, I use the sandpaper and water and on larger ones, the metal scraper. For those who don't think it works, believe me it works great. It sounds like you are going to destroy the wing but with a little practice, the results are beautiful. Michael, using single thickness wings, you, like me have to add the bottom detail. For double thickness wings, it take practice to get the two trailing edge surfaces to meet flush. I know. You should my first attempt at double thickness wings. Awful best describes the results. There are several methods of doing vacs. I have never been put off by the sanding. On the average, I think sanding adds about one hour to the build. After that, especially in 1/72, the build is not much different from an injection molded kit. Although, I must confess that it took me 5 years to build up enough nerve to build my first vac. John Adams gave me a lot of encouragement and help and I always enjoyed talking to him. I would love to watch him work up close and personal. And on the age thread, I'm the one they wrote about when someone said, "I may be getting older, but I refuse to grow up." I call myself the eternal youth who has just turned 58. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 8/21/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:05:58 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Average Age? Message-ID: <39CBC9B6.CA7D7FBC@earthlink.net> Hey, Merrill - - nursing home??? If I can't take my toys, I won't go! Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:27:45 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Please respect the integrity of the List Message-ID: Brian, I received offlist info about the things going on in the background, telling me that people are receiving annoying chain mail offlist etc. Now I know what you was talking about. But the worst thing of all - and now the whole list will certainly ROTFL - is that me idiot send my message to the WRONG LIST :( Ouch, that hurts! I am a member of several other WW1 lists too and it was from one of THOSE lists that reminders of the listmaster come in quite often compared to this list, to remind people staying OT if they dare to talk about something different than WW1. It is on THAT LIST that people act rather strange when somebody is kidding or somebody thanks anybody else for info he received. And it is that list which gives me the impression that one has better to die BEFORE joining the list. There is really a big difference between that list and the this fine modeling list. Fact is that I did not find a more amusing list than this one until the present day yet. Reading the messages the members post here reminds me a madhouse sometimes - a nutmill of plastic eating and glue drinking loonies. It's so amusing and so much fun, compared to that other list and I really love it. Now it happend that after receiving several fun spoiling reminders from the other list yet another reminder dropped in here - that was to much so I replied to it and BINGO - hit the wrong one. My sincere apologies - I feel really embarassed now. As for your name - yes it appeared on screen but not under the message. Oh well, now awaiting your snowballs, tomatoes, cakes, whatever.... :o) tataaaaa........ Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 5:51 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Please respect the integrity of the List > > > > Gaston, > I am not upset with what has been posted before ON the list, I'm objecting > to taking my name as a list user and placing onto another list without my > consent. I get more than enough email traffic as it is!! > We seem to go through periods where we have to post obvious rules, then go > for months just talking MODELS (ThankYou!!) > If you look back at previous posts - I've passed OT humor, or at > least List > humor back and forth with the rest of the gang. > If age is a defining factor, I'm as sprightly as you "old man" ;-) > And my software reads back the sender as in - - Gaston Graf - ggraf@vo.lu > So I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that my full email address is visible to > others - my apolgies. > Brian > > Brian Nicklas > Archives Division, Room 3148 > National Air and Space Museum > Smithsonian Institution > Washington, DC 20560-0322 USA > 1-202-357-3133 (telephone) > 1-202-786-2835 (telefax) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:45:07 -0400 From: "Roger Belanger" To: "WWI" Subject: Sanding Vacs Message-ID: <006c01c024cd$9cd0d040$04f54f0c@rogerbel> I have been building WWI Planes in 1/72 for a number of years and will be soon starting my first attempt on Vacs, All of this dialog has been a help to me and will give me the needed push to start the Sierra Gotha, by the way I will be 76 years of age in Feb. I have been building Models since 1955, I specialized in Full Rigged Ships When I retired in 1984, I built a model railroad and built a large collection of Cars and trucks so you can see I have covered the modeling spectrum...........Roger Belanger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:05:05 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Halberstadt Cl II question Message-ID: What material, and consequently, what color, were the observer's gun ring on the Halb Cl II? I'm working on the Blue Max kit and am not sure how I should paint it. Thanks. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:14:09 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Halberstadt Cl II question Message-ID: Otis wonders: "What material, and consequently, what color, were the observer's gun ring on the Halb Cl II?" IIRC (and it's been a LONG time), the basic structure was wood, and the thing was painted the same light-medium gray (grey) as the metal panels, spinner, etc. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:18:03 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Halberstadt Cl II question Message-ID: <79.9eaac96.26fd268b@aol.com> In a message dated 9/22/00 4:16:47 PM Central Daylight Time, lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: > RC (and it's been a LONG time), the basic structure was wood, and the thing > was painted the same light-medium gray (grey) as the metal panels, spinner, > etc. That seems consistent with the photos in the Datafile. Thanks. OG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:06:35 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sanding Vacs Message-ID: Do not over sand the fuselage halves, it's an error I still make. Most of the sanding is on the wings. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:07:52 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Halberstadt Cl II question Message-ID: <80.fa1755.26fd3238@aol.com> all the photos show natural (light) wood, with gray-green braces, check out my attempt at the web site Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:55:34 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Halberstadt Cl II question Message-ID: <4d.126b54c.26fd3d66@aol.com> All what photos? From what I can tell, they are inconclusive as to the material, but I could go along with your opinion as well. OG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:57:34 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6ring_+_Udet_discharge_info?= Message-ID: Folks, in the meantime I did something useful: I updated the Jasta Boelcke website adding a portrait photo of Herrmann Göring to chapter 8 of the Udet translation. The chapter is called "THE END". You can access it from ACES --> ERNST UDET --> table of contents. Furthermore I added an additional information page linked to a thumbnail on the bottom of that chapter. That page is displaying the original discharge slip of Ernst Udet in fullscreen mode, including translation of the German text plus additional explanations. Everything should be loading correctly in 800x600 or higher resolution. As usual critics and suggestions are gladly welcome. Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:12:49 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Halberstadt Cl II question Message-ID: Taking a close look at the observers place of the Rumpler C.IV at my website shows that the machinegun ring was made out of wood. The braces seem to be made of steel. Color is brownish steel. Maybe the Halberstatdt was equipped with the same type of ring? Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > All what photos? From what I can tell, they are inconclusive as to the > material, but I could go along with your opinion as well. > > OG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:16:59 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Halberstadt Cl II question Message-ID: 2 of 3 vote for wood. I'll go with that. Thanks. OG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:53:36 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Make em laugh!, was Re: Average Age? Message-ID: <39CBF0FF.A35839BC@bellsouth.net> Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com wrote: > However, I remember that I am towards the younger age of the list (31). So, > Gaston, is not THAT young. Like Gaston, I'm 35, with 36 barreling down on me. And I still play with my toys. Second childhood? HA! I've never gotten out of the first childhood. And like Gaston, I love to laugh(HA HA HA HA!!!). However, Gaston must be talking about some other list where humor is frowned upon. This is one of the few places where I can find my equals in wit and wisdom. And only the oldest of fuddy duddies on this list have ever given me grief for my humorous comments. And they don't count! ;) E. make em laugh, make em laugh, mmmm mmmmm mmmm mmmmmmm mmmmmm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:00:55 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sanding Vacs Message-ID: <39CC0ED7.562DF6ED@earthlink.net> Hi Roger, I, too, have been taking notes on the sanding/scraping issue and am anxious to try the scraping method on the Thomas-Morris Scout I've almost finished cutting out. Your accomplishments are impressive and I can only wish I will have done half as much by the time I'm your age. Regards, Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:57:35 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Average Age? Message-ID: <001c01c02512$69b6ca80$d6f13ccc@oemcomputer> >From the people who have posted today, it looks like the average age has fallen a little, I just turned 35 last month. Most of us never had a chance to buy Aurora kits! I remember seeing the K&B Gotha as a 7 year old and was scared by the fire & darkness of the box art. So instead I had my dad buy me a Monogram Snoopy's Sopwith Camel complete with dog house & motor! (wish I still had that one). At least it was OT! Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Zulis@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Average Age? > >When the survey was taken about a year ago, the average age of the list >members was (if I recall correctly) 42. > >We have all gotten a little older since then, but perhaps the average has >not, as younger/older members come and go. > >Dave Z > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:03:13 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Halberstadt Cl II question Message-ID: <005101c02513$34af8ba0$d6f13ccc@oemcomputer> The gun ring should be varnished wood on the Halberstadt CL II & IV. If you check out the model I did on the list pages you can see it clearly. I was able to get a wooden gun ring from Marty Digmayer which looks great! Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Otisgood@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:08 PM Subject: Halberstadt Cl II question >What material, and consequently, what color, were the observer's gun ring on >the Halb Cl II? I'm working on the Blue Max kit and am not sure how I should >paint it. Thanks. > >Otis > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2659 **********************