WWI Digest 2650 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Hoaxes & Spams by MAnde72343@aol.com 2) Re: The URL for the Boston Area Aviation Festival by mdf 3) Re: Wood by Eli Geher 4) Re: Fwd: Fw: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P!!!! by Al Superczynski 5) Need info on book by JVT7532@aol.com 6) Half & Half by JVT7532@aol.com 7) Re: Dayton Attendee Update by DavidL1217@aol.com 8) Re: Rumpler C.IV by KarrArt@aol.com 9) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by "David Calhoun" 10) Re: Source of 1/48 scale Liberty Engines by "David Calhoun" 11) Re: Source of 1/48 scale Liberty Engines by "David Calhoun" 12) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 13) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by Ernest Thomas 14) Re: Fwd: Fw: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P!!!! by Lee Mensinger 15) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by smperry@mindspring.com 16) Re: Fw: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P!!!! by K129000@aol.com 17) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by "Brad & Merville" 18) Re: Need info on book by Lee Mensinger 19) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by "Brad & Merville" 20) Re: Rumpler C.IV by Lyle Lamboley 21) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by Lyle Lamboley 22) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by "Brad & Merville" 23) Bill Arnold's models by "Alberto Casirati" 24) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by smperry@mindspring.com 25) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by smperry@mindspring.com 26) German two-seaters . . the outcome by "Bob Pearson" 27) RE: Bill Arnold's models by "dfernet0" 28) New PART sets by "Matt Bittner" 29) Jadar-Model WAS: New PART sets by Matt Kessler 30) Re: Need info on book by Matt Kessler 31) Re: Jadar-Model WAS: New PART sets by Glozc@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:45:27 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hoaxes & Spams Message-ID: <16.265470f.26f6b197@aol.com> Glad to hear that was a hoax, I was going to check it, although the Reds lost the cold war, and Europe has thrown out or drastically scaled back 'socialism', the bureaucratic impulse to kill the goose is still alive and well in the US, and that was just stupid enough to be true, unfortunately almost all of our elected officials are lawyers, and they bill, virtually by the minute. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:01:51 -0400 From: mdf To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The URL for the Boston Area Aviation Festival Message-ID: <39C55B6F.6838FB6@mars.ark.com> I saw an ot biplane go over 3 days ago - forgot about until you mentioned the B-17... It was a red Beechcraft Staggerwing - couldn't hear it over the traffic though. Mike Fletcher DAVID BURKE wrote: > > I was walking to the corner store here in Birmingham about 3 years ago and > heard a droning. I look up, and an olive and grey (didn't notice any > yellow) B-17 go overhead. What a thrill! And there was the time when I was > still living in N.O. and heard a horrible racket overhead, and saw a Ju-52 > 'Iron Annie' flying over (loudest and harshest sounding thing I have ever > heard). > > Wish I could say that I have seen the Vimy - maybe some other day. > > DB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 1:25 PM > Subject: Re: The URL for the Boston Area Aviation Festival > > > The show is still going on today. The throaty roar of radials fill the > air. > > Speaking with my pastor this morning out side of our church and the B-17 > on > > approach zooms overhead. P-47 over my house. I pulled over on the > highway > > yesterday returning from apple picking, the B-24J at about 500 feet flies > > right over us on final. So incongruous to see 4 mills turning. > > > > John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:57:24 -0500 From: Eli Geher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wood Message-ID: <39C55A64.455DF7E3@hiwaay.net> I have a manual on airplane materials and processes published in 1937, which devotes a chapter to wood. The following woods are listed for propellor use: Birch, Black walnut, True mahogany, White oak, Black cherry and Sugar or hard maple. The first 2 are specified as the choices for North American construction because of availability and the last 2 are listed as limited in usage. Spruce is listed as the standard for structural wood, but availability is noted as a problem and Douglas fir, Poplar and White pine are noted as alternates. Several other woods are listed for special applications, but hickory is specifically listed as being too heavy for general use. Most of the discussion is aimed at plywood, since the technology had changed quite a bit since 1918. There is no mention at all of wooden struts. I picked up the book for a dollar in a used book shop many years ago. Its interest (to me, at least) is that its original purpose was a textbook in the aeronautical engineering department at New York University where I got my degree 20 years later. Eli Neil Crawford wrote: > > What kind of wood are struts > and propellors made of? In particular the Nieuport 28, the > propellor on the colour pictures in Windsock is very reddish, > so are the struts but unusually light coloured. > I'd be interested in hearing about other types too, for > instance Spads. I have heard of Walnut being used for > propellors, I think Hickory is sometimes mentioned, what > kind of tree is that, something American? Nowadays I > think most wood used is spruce. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:04:24 -0500 From: Al Superczynski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P!!!! Message-ID: <2qmass88i0t5uqc7569d8754eh0gp0cvqk@4ax.com> On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:39:03 -0400 (EDT), WStew10180@aol.com wrote: >> VOTE NO ON Bill 602P!!!! Pretty hard to do since it's a hoax. See http://www.europe.datafellows.com/hoaxes/bill602p.htm and please check these mass mailings out before forwarding similar items to the list. Besides that, it's ot anyway....... Al http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:29:42 EDT From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Need info on book Message-ID: <63.b38ad06.26f6bbf6@aol.com> Author...... Thetford, O.G., and E.J. Riding (compiled by) > Title....... AIRCRAFT OF THE 1914-1918 WAR Can anyone tell me anything about this book? I discovered it while doing a search for another Harleyford book and was wondering how good it was and just what it covered. If you can answer this please reply directly to me as I am currently in digest mode for a while trying to get things done. Thanks for any and all help. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:05:46 EDT From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Half & Half Message-ID: <26.ad7b291.26f6c46a@aol.com> In a message dated 9/17/2000 2:01:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: << There IS a correct version if someone is going to model Voss' DRI. It has to be done as a diorama though with two mechanics working on the A/C. Place a table next to the A/C and place the cowl on it. One mechanic has a brush ... half the cowl is yellow ... half the cowl is green ... question solved! Dale >> Yes Dale but now what color is the Brush!!! AGGGG!! another can of worms. (:>) Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:50:17 EDT From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dayton Attendee Update Message-ID: <96.9ba77f3.26f6ced9@aol.com> I am going there as well. I am bringing my two sons and my father. David Layton ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:59:01 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rumpler C.IV Message-ID: <7d.a7261e6.26f6d0e5@aol.com> In a message dated 9/17/00 1:51:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lyle.lamboley@juno.com writes: << Excellent shots. It is interesting to see the stab strut with the serrated edge. It mentions in the Datafile that Rumpler did this to keep mechanics from putting their hands where they didn't belong. It looks to have been effective-- Cheers, Lyle >> Other planes had this efficient little reminder also- Including the Gotha family. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:22:30 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <007e01c02130$72b22c00$572e3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Brad, What does this book have on Eugene Jacques Bullard? As the first black American fighter pilot I would like to see a photo of his Nieuport / Spad somewhere. Does anyone have the OOP book Black Swallow of Death? It would be great to model one of his aircraft if only I could get a scan of it. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Brad & Merville To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, September 17, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books > In my original post regarding the new book 'The Lafayette Flying Corps' I >believe I neglected to make clear that the book also includes all Americans >serving in the French Air Service not just N.124. 269 men in all, including >observers. Having now had a chance to spend a little time with it I realize >that this isn't merely an expanded 'Lafayette Biographies' but a significant >new addition to WW1 aviation literature. Especially if your interest is in >other French units. It also includes many never before published photos. > >Cheers >Brad > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:24:51 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Source of 1/48 scale Liberty Engines Message-ID: <009701c02130$c670c540$572e3ccc@oemcomputer> I bought one of the Aeroclub Liberty engines - nicely done in about 6 parts. Not cheap though, a couple of these is about the same price as an entry level Eduard kit. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Candice Uhlir To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, September 17, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: Source of 1/48 scale Liberty Engines >Hi Guys, > Anybody have a preferred source of 1/48 scale Liberty engines?? > >Candice >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:27:12 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Source of 1/48 scale Liberty Engines Message-ID: <00ba01c02131$1aa4dca0$572e3ccc@oemcomputer> I got mine from Roll models - you can order them online and in a couple of weeks they will arrive. He carries the entire line of Aeroclub parts. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, September 17, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: Re: Source of 1/48 scale Liberty Engines > > >Candice Uhlir wrote: > >> Did you get the Liberty's from Sopwith Hobbies? Does Aeroclub have direct >> ordering?? > >I knew you were gonna ask me that! ;-] >Sorry, but a friend of mine just called me one day and said he was ordering >some Liberty Engines and asked if I wanted a couple. Don't know where they >came from. >Might have been Sopwith. Doesn't Barry carry these? Sierra? Tom's? >E. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:19:57 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <001601c02116$f161a7c0$7c38183f@cyrixp166> Bob Pearson has a nice profile of his SPAD 7. I would like to buy one myself. John Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Calhoun To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books > Hi Brad, > What does this book have on Eugene Jacques Bullard? As the first black > American fighter pilot I would like to see a photo of his Nieuport / Spad > somewhere. Does anyone have the OOP book Black Swallow of Death? It would > be great to model one of his aircraft if only I could get a scan of it. > Dave Calhoun > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad & Merville > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Sunday, September 17, 2000 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books > > > > In my original post regarding the new book 'The Lafayette Flying Corps' > I > >believe I neglected to make clear that the book also includes all Americans > >serving in the French Air Service not just N.124. 269 men in all, > including > >observers. Having now had a chance to spend a little time with it I > realize > >that this isn't merely an expanded 'Lafayette Biographies' but a > significant > >new addition to WW1 aviation literature. Especially if your interest is in > >other French units. It also includes many never before published photos. > > > >Cheers > >Brad > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:43:03 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <39C58136.19C9E942@bellsouth.net> David Calhoun wrote of Eugene Jacques Bullard: > It would > be great to model one of his aircraft if only I could get a scan of it. I could send you a picture of a street named after him? :-) E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:50:24 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, lemen@x25.net Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P!!!! Message-ID: <39C582F0.EF475D7E@x25.net> WStew10180@aol.com wrote: And he lied.... I went to the following site and entered Anthony Schnell Representative. There is no such person.... http://bioguide.congress.gov/biosearch/biosearch1.asp Try it. It is easy. Avoid the nonsense find out for yourself. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:47:54 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <001b01c0211a$d8c48d00$70f0aec7@default> > Hi Brad, > What does this book have on Eugene Jacques Bullard? As the first black > American fighter pilot I would like to see a photo of his Nieuport / Spad > somewhere. Speaking of Eugene Bullard, Bob did a watercolor profile of his Spad VII. The personal marking is a large red heart with a dagger stuck in it and dripping blood on the side of the fuselage. Around this are some words, not in English, which I was told translate to roughly, "All Hearts Bleed Red" Does anyone know the exact words and language? The heart & dagger are easy to make, but I need to know the words surrounding the image in order to complete the marking. My Manager is African-American and had never heard of Bullard. He was facinated by what little I could tell him and wanted to know more. He also really liked my WWI models, so I have been intending to build him my copy of the Smer 1/40 scale Spad VII as Bullard's ship. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:48:43 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fw: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P!!!! Message-ID: <17.b2072a6.26f6dc8b@aol.com> In a message dated 00-09-17 20:06:58 EDT, you write: << Pretty hard to do since it's a hoax. See >> This has been going around for a while. It used to be the US post office wanted to tax e-mail. That was a hoax. IIRC there was serious talk from the phone companies about surcharges but that was shot down. I'd like to think if something like ever did come the millions of net users would at least speakup against it. K-129 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:49:28 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <002701c0211b$10c8c2c0$19895ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> Dave The book has a short bio on Bullard with one studio photo. No aircraft. This is the case with most of the bio's in the book. I have The Black Swallow of Death. I'll contact you off list. Dicta Ira Brad -----Original Message----- From: David Calhoun To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, September 17, 2000 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books >Hi Brad, >What does this book have on Eugene Jacques Bullard? As the first black >American fighter pilot I would like to see a photo of his Nieuport / Spad >somewhere. Does anyone have the OOP book Black Swallow of Death? It would >be great to model one of his aircraft if only I could get a scan of it. >Dave Calhoun > >-----Original Message----- >From: Brad & Merville >To: Multiple recipients of list >Date: Sunday, September 17, 2000 10:26 AM >Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books > > >> In my original post regarding the new book 'The Lafayette Flying Corps' >I >>believe I neglected to make clear that the book also includes all Americans >>serving in the French Air Service not just N.124. 269 men in all, >including >>observers. Having now had a chance to spend a little time with it I >realize >>that this isn't merely an expanded 'Lafayette Biographies' but a >significant >>new addition to WW1 aviation literature. Especially if your interest is in >>other French units. It also includes many never before published photos. >> >>Cheers >>Brad >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:56:57 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Need info on book Message-ID: <39C58479.A4A18782@x25.net> All of the Harleyford type books were wonderful. Considering their age it was the first really good stuff to come out. I have all but one of the volumes and won't part with any. Usually a page of text with maybe five photos and a three view which may be a bit off but valuable. Covers most aircraft of WW I as advertised. The seaplane or maritime versions are not well represented. They came in a book for the type. Lee M. JVT7532@aol.com wrote: > Author...... Thetford, O.G., and E.J. Riding (compiled by) > > Title....... AIRCRAFT OF THE 1914-1918 WAR > Can anyone tell me anything about this book? I discovered it while doing a > search for another Harleyford book and was wondering how good it was and just > what it covered. If you can answer this please reply directly to me as I am > currently in digest mode for a while trying to get things done. Thanks for > any and all help. > Best regards, > Jon > Jon V. Theisen > 7532 Lawndale Ave. > Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:07:07 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <003701c0211d$87e872e0$19895ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> The only photo of Bullard with an aircraft in The Black Swallow of Death is a SPAD with a silhouette of a dark coloured duck in flight on the fuselage. The only written description I can find in the book states..."Even 'Archie,' the German anti-aircraft fire, ignored his all blue aircraft with it's stark motto: 'All Blood Runs Red' " ! The slightly ludicrous cover illustration shows a coal black Bullard in a canary yellow SPAD with a red nose chasing a red and white checkerboard Fokker Triplane! Bob what's you source for the heart and dagger? Brad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:13:02 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rumpler C.IV Message-ID: <20000917.231306.-233001.1.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Bob, > It is interesting to see the stab strut with > the > serrated edge. It mentions in the Datafile that Rumpler did this > to keep > mechanics from putting their hands where they didn't belong. It > looks to > have been effective-- > Other planes had this efficient little reminder also- Including the > Gotha > family. > RK Looking at the Ministry of Munitions report on the G.V, you can see the struts for the stab look to have nails coming down. Yow! I could imagine the mechanic's reaction to finding his hand with two or three holes in it. There's a fellow in Tennessee who is going to build a full-scale Gotha...I wonder what the FAA would say if he did those tail struts 100% accurately. Best, Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:23:26 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <20000917.232329.-233001.2.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Steve, > Speaking of Eugene Bullard, Bob did a watercolor profile of his Spad > VII. > The personal marking is a large red heart with a dagger stuck in it > and > dripping blood on the side of the fuselage. Around this are some > words, not > in English, which I was told translate to roughly, "All Hearts Bleed > Red" > > Does anyone know the exact words and language? The heart & dagger > are easy > to make, but I need to know the words surrounding the image in order > to > complete the marking. "Tout sang qui coule est rouge" is the original French, and the actual translation is "All blood runs red". > My Manager is African-American and had never heard of Bullard. He > was > facinated by what little I could tell him and wanted to know more. > He also > really liked my WWI models, so I have been intending to build him my > copy of > the Smer 1/40 scale Spad VII as Bullard's ship. > I have a great bio of him in OTF from 1995. Send me your address again offlist and I'll mail it out, or I could scan it and send it that way. Your choice. Cheers, Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:41:03 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <006101c02122$45c64400$19895ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> Well I found Bob's source. Windsock 7/3. The black duck is Spa.93 with which, according to Jon Guttman, Bullard also flew a blue Nieuport 24! The 'Heart and Dagger' SPAD is an Spa.85 machine, CDL with a blue cowl ring and is apparently based on a verbal description by Bullard. According to the book Bullard did fly SPADs with Spa.93 hence the photo of him with the duck marked SPAD. Hmmm... Thanks Bob Brad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:45:29 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Cc: Subject: Bill Arnold's models Message-ID: <003b01c0213c$093b27c0$320106c0@acasirat> I have just seen Bill Arnold's page and I must congratulate him on his excellent models: I especially liked the vacs. Wll done, Bill: keep up the very good and inspiring work ! Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 05:14:01 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <002301c02150$c9a66740$60f0aec7@default> > I have a great bio of him in OTF from 1995. Send me your address again > offlist and I'll mail it out, or I could scan it and send it that way. > Your choice. > Cheers, Lyle Lyle: My address is : 2234 37th Ave N St. Petersburg, FL 33713 I'll mail it back as soon as I can get copies made. Thanks, I sure appreciate it. Regards sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 05:21:52 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <003b01c02151$e227ca60$60f0aec7@default> Forgot to change the address. Sorry. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 04:09:38 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: German two-seaters . . the outcome Message-ID: <200009181120.EAA28300@mail.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, I ended up preparing the computer masters for the AEG C.IV and the LVG C.V. . The later is fun in there are various combinations of exhaust and covered or open cowl. So far there are two of the C.Vs profiled .. almost time to do an AEG. . Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:04:30 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: RE: Bill Arnold's models Message-ID: <020301c02160$385140c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Nice to see another good modeler on the gallery! Specially in the proper scale. Matt, have you seen the solution that Bill devised for his Voisin? BTW, impressive build OOB! I just can't wait to get my own kit (I ordered it from an european retailer not too long ago). I'd just replace the PE tail booms... The BE2c is a gem... Thanks to a kind list member I have one of these kits, and I hope to build it as good as this one. Very inspiring! D. If Bill isn't already on the list we must lure him to do so... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:11:47 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New PART sets Message-ID: <200009181211.FAA28195@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Just visiting the Jadar site, and they list the following PART 1/72nd p/e sets: Fokker E.IV (ICM) http://www.jadar.com.pl/group/html/part/pictures/aircraft/1-72/72129/72129.htm Pfalz E.IV (ICM) (why?) http://www.jadar.com.pl/group/html/part/pictures/aircraft/1-72/72130/72130.htm Sikorsky S.16 http://www.jadar.com.pl/group/html/part/pictures/aircraft/1-72/72135/72135.htm Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:26:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Kessler To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Jadar-Model WAS: New PART sets Message-ID: <20000918132615.83910.qmail@web9305.mail.yahoo.com> What kind of turn-around time does Jadar-Model have on orders to the US? TIA, Matt K. --- Matt Bittner wrote: > Just visiting the Jadar site, and they list the > following PART 1/72nd p/e sets: > > Fokker E.IV (ICM) > http://www.jadar.com.pl/group/html/part/pictures/aircraft/1-72/72129/72129.htm > > Pfalz E.IV (ICM) (why?) > http://www.jadar.com.pl/group/html/part/pictures/aircraft/1-72/72130/72130.htm > > Sikorsky S.16 > http://www.jadar.com.pl/group/html/part/pictures/aircraft/1-72/72135/72135.htm > > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:43:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Kessler To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Need info on book Message-ID: <20000918134347.99253.qmail@web9303.mail.yahoo.com> Just thought I'd chime in here and clarify something: AIRCRAFT OF THE 1914-1918 WAR was the 1st Harleyford book dealing with OT topics. It was followed by the Richtofen book, then the AIR ACES OF THE 1914-1918 WAR, then the 3 volume set: FIGHTERS OF THE 1914-1918 WAR, BOMBERS AND RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT OF THE 1914-1918 WAR, and MARINE AIRCRAFT OF THE 1914-1918 WAR. The quality of this original AIRCRAFT book was not quite as good as the 3 volume set of a/c references that they published last, although it did contain the scale 3-views like the other books. The other books are fairly easy to find on WWW.ABEBOOKS.COM if you are willing to pay a little for them. I have managed to get a full collection of them in just a few months, and they are WELL worth the cash as a general reference on OT a/c. Granted since they are all over 35 years old some of the data has been superceded, but I haven't located a better SINGLE source for all of the information they contain. Hope this helps... Matt K. --- Lee Mensinger wrote: > All of the Harleyford type books were wonderful. > Considering their age it was > the first really good stuff to come out. I have all > but one of the volumes and > won't part with any. > > Usually a page of text with maybe five photos and a > three view which may be a bit > off but valuable. Covers most aircraft of WW I as > advertised. The seaplane or > maritime versions are not well represented. They > came in a book for the type. > > Lee M. > > JVT7532@aol.com wrote: > > > Author...... Thetford, O.G., and E.J. Riding > (compiled by) > > > Title....... AIRCRAFT OF THE 1914-1918 WAR > > Can anyone tell me anything about this book? I > discovered it while doing a > > search for another Harleyford book and was > wondering how good it was and just > > what it covered. If you can answer this please > reply directly to me as I am > > currently in digest mode for a while trying to get > things done. Thanks for > > any and all help. > > Best regards, > > Jon > > Jon V. Theisen > > 7532 Lawndale Ave. > > Phila., PA 19111-2706 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:18:59 EDT From: Glozc@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jadar-Model WAS: New PART sets Message-ID: <16.264fdee.26f77e53@aol.com> In a message dated 9/18/0 9:29:00 AM, matthewtkessler@yahoo.com writes: << What kind of turn-around time does Jadar-Model have on orders to the US? >> If you ask for airmail, I've received shipments within 15 days - if he is out of stock - especially if the producer is someone hand-pouring resin in his silo in Transylvania - it can take six months. Of course the latter is true of any dealer. Fred ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2650 **********************