WWI Digest 2648 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Wood =?iso-8859-1?B?oA==?=(Wood knot!) =?iso-8859-1?B?oA==?= wood! by "cameron rile" 2) Re: What I got today...SPIN SPAD by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 3) Re: What I got today...SPIN SPAD by "DAVID BURKE" 4) Re: What I got today...SPIN SPAD by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: What I got today...SPIN SPAD by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: German two-seaters by REwing@aol.com 7) Re: What I got today...SPIN SPAD by Mike Kavanaugh 8) SPIN SPAD A.2 and other stuff by "DAVID BURKE" 9) Re: SPIN SPAD A.2 and other stuff by "Bob Pearson" 10) RE: German two-seaters by "Gaston Graf" 11) RE: Wood by "Gaston Graf" 12) ALPS by "Dale Beamish" 13) Re: ALPS by "Dale Beamish" 14) Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again by "Dale Beamish" 15) Re: Fokker colors by "Francisca e Pedro Soares" 16) Re: ALPS by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 17) Re: Fokker colors by smperry@mindspring.com 18) Re: German two-seaters by Dan 19) Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again by skarver@banet.net 20) Re: Nieuport monoplanes by mdf 21) Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again by "Dale Beamish" 22) Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again by skarver@banet.net 23) Re: German two-seaters by Otisgood@aol.com 24) Aeroplane Woods - 1912 Overview by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 25) Re: German two-seaters by Lyle Lamboley 26) RE: ALPS + Re: Fokker colors + Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again by "Gaston Graf" 27) Re: German two-seaters by Paul A Schwartzkopf 28) Pegasus and other BE2e kits in 1/72 by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 29) Engine pictures by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 30) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by "Brad & Merville" 31) Re: Fokker colors by KarrArt@aol.com 32) Re: Nieuport monoplanes by KarrArt@aol.com 33) Re: The URL for the Boston Area Aviation Festival by "Candice Uhlir" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:47:09 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wood =?iso-8859-1?B?oA==?=(Wood knot!) =?iso-8859-1?B?oA==?= wood! Message-ID: <3FF6D54E22C84D115AD40005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> Dave, >Only a partial answer here, but I remember Bruce writing in one of his >Nieuport fighters books that the Russian-built Nieuports were somewhat >heavier than those built by the French because the russians used pine in some >of the places where the french used spruce. In a similar vein, in 1922 six Avro 504's were built at Mascot in Sydney for the RAAF which used Australian timbers in them. Apparently that added 36 kgs (80lbs) to their weight above what their European built equivalents weighed. cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:06:52 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What I got today...SPIN SPAD Message-ID: Howdy! << Anybody has anything nasty to say about the Duke can go kill themselves. >> >I will be glad to help them if needed What does Clint Eastwood have to do with any of this? OT content: Is Eric's D.VII lozenge the right stuff to build Stark's ride? Wouldn't that be an awesome model in 1/28th? Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:13:26 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: What I got today...SPIN SPAD Message-ID: <003401c02056$59137ea0$7c8eaec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Solinski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 7:11 PM Subject: Re: What I got today...SPIN SPAD > 2 John Wayne movies to > > provide background noise while I build. Anybody has anything nasty to say > > about the Duke can go kill themselves. You know who you are. > > > welll ya know.. Is that there the son of katie elder, the war wagon, or > mclintoc pardner? > I really HATE going very VERY ot on this question, but yes, one is 'The Sons of Katie Elder', the other is 'The Horsemen'. As to 'McClintock, my father is actually in that movie. Well, at least his butt is (not that that would surprise Y'all). He was in the BBQ scene. He got to hang out with Pat Wayne too. DB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:16:31 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: What I got today...SPIN SPAD Message-ID: <003501c02056$59fe7ae0$7c8eaec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Thomas" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 8:11 PM Subject: Re: What I got today...SPIN SPAD > > > DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > Anybody has anything nasty to say > > about the Duke can go kill themselves. > > He sure looked good in a dress. > E. > ...and here comes Ernie with the 'Repo Man' reference. Honestly guys, I only mentioned the Wayne movies in passing. I was more concerned with that Spad and the F.E.2b. I ordered the Datafiles for it and the SPAD today. I can't wait to learn more about it as it was an important A/C for the RFC (the F.E. I mean). I didn't realize that it was so big! Looks more like a bomber than a fighter. DB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:18:06 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: What I got today...SPIN SPAD Message-ID: <003601c02056$5ac7e560$7c8eaec7@com> > > DB says ... > > > > > I also picked up an unknown thingie from an unknown company called > SPIN > > > :-). It's the SPAD A.2. This thing is not a model. > > > > > > It is a work of art! And sp piped up: > > Yup I just pryed the interior and engine out of the wreckage this afternoon. > > Great little kit. Check TC's build article on Modeling Madness and heed his > sage advice about the L/G / lower wing mounting procedure > > http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/ww1/cleaverspad.htm > > sp Thanks for the pointer, and I'm glad that some of it could be salvaged! DB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:24:44 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: German two-seaters Message-ID: <6f.a8ce028.26f5937c@aol.com> << > Gassie - fragger of the yellow men :o) Do we *really* need this? >> Thank you, Shane. I am getting really tired of your disparaging remarks, Gaston. Just to let you know, my wife is of Chinese descent and is very proud of her heritage. Your remarks are completely derogatory and must stop NOW! -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:56:25 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What I got today...SPIN SPAD Message-ID: <39C45D09.79006C47@earthlink.net> DB wrote: "I ordered the Datafiles for it and the SPAD today. I can't wait to learn more about it as it was an important A/C for the RFC (the F.E. I mean). I didn't realize that it was so big! Looks more like a bomber than a fighter." DB, IIRC the film "Aces High" stated that the F.E. 2b, after its role as a fighter was diminished, was used as a bomber as an interim measure when the RFC determined a bombing role was needed, until aircraft specifically designed for bombing could be produced. FWIW, Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:43:49 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: SPIN SPAD A.2 and other stuff Message-ID: <001401c02072$a45d1c60$4494aec7@com> Guys, I don't know if I can keep my filthy mitts off of this SPAD A.2 until I get some references! It's just too pretty. THough I might go ot here, lemme say that there are two other things that I have come across recently that I thought were real treats. First, I got to read a new book about aviatrix Pancho Barnes called, most appropriately, 'The Happy Bottom Riding Club'. I guess that this ties into our little John Wayne discussion. Read the book and you'll see why. Also, I just got the Rhino Records John Prine collection. A double CD full of just great music, and I'm amazed that my CD collection has gone without any Prine. So what, it's ot, but good music to listen to while building models. So enjoy both the book and the CD's and also get the SPIN SPAD A.2. Lubos, I salute you for this piece, and I can't wait to see what you come up with next! DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 00:04:15 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SPIN SPAD A.2 and other stuff Message-ID: <200009170721.AAA28856@mail.rapidnet.net> Before we all swamp Lubos with praise .. he 'just' sells the kit. .. someone else is SPIN. Bob ---------- > Lubos, I salute you for this piece, and I can't wait to see what you > come up with next! > > > DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:20:41 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: German two-seaters Message-ID: When an Englishman plays with his typical black (and often tasteless) humor the whole world laughs, but when a Luxembourger gets sarcastic the hell breaks loose on him. That remark was not meant to hurt anybody - it was meant to be a joke. Did you notice the smiley behind it? My apologies to your wife and everybody who feels offended. That's all I can say. Gaston > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > REwing@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 5:30 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: German two-seaters > > > << > Gassie - fragger of the yellow men :o) > > Do we *really* need this? > >> > > Thank you, Shane. I am getting really tired of your disparaging > remarks, Gaston. > Just to let you know, my wife is of Chinese descent and is very > proud of her > heritage. Your remarks are completely derogatory and must stop NOW! > > -Rick- > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:41:41 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Wood Message-ID: David, I am thinking about setting up a page with questions and answers for the workbench aera of my website. Sort of: What was this or that made of? How was it assembled? What was the colors of...? Would you mind if I'm going to use your most interesting explanations about wood used in aircraft to start that page with? I will include full credits for the author of everything I will add to that page indeed. sincerely Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > This opens a whole can of termites! ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:10:22 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: ALPS Message-ID: <00f001c018ff$474f99a0$6437b8a1@darcy> How many list members have and are using the ALPS? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:55:14 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: ALPS Message-ID: <016901c01905$8bcef160$6437b8a1@darcy> Gaston > Are you referring to that string of mountains here in Europe? What shall I > use it for? To hop over it on the way down to Italia? For skiing? Tobbogan? > Collecting snowballs? Careful there ... being from Canada I can associate with these things. But a lot of our members are from the deep south and have no idea what we're discussing ...LOL Painting models in the cold even when it's summer? Done that here all right! > Or does ALPS maybe mean ALL LISTIES PLEASE SHUTUP??? It could be a new term to adapt! Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:42:16 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again Message-ID: <007c01c00954$d0a43860$e831b8a1@darcy> > > I've stayed away from this argument because, quite frankly, I don't > > know. I like the idea of a yellow cowl, but the arguments > > against are just as valid. There IS a correct version if someone is going to model Voss' DRI. It has to be done as a diorama though with two mechanics working on the A/C. Place a table next to the A/C and place the cowl on it. One mechanic has a brush .... half the cowl is yellow ... half the cowl is green ... question solved! Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 08:25:39 +0100 From: "Francisca e Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Fokker colors Message-ID: <002901c02098$7f2dce00$44bb41c2@pc1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 11:32 PM Subject: Fokker colors > Thanks for the input, I mixed up another batch of my own version, it seemed > simpler. Next question: what is your personal choice for 'out of the bottle' > Fokker Olive? (I know this is getting into" what's PC-10?" territory, but I'm > curious as to what the list thinks. > Merrill > > Merril, Once again Extracolour does a very nice fokker green. But i guess you could be safe with any dark olive that suits your personal tastes. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:34:31 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: ALPS Message-ID: <002101c0209b$404e58f0$1239183f@cyrixp166> I have an MD 1000. John Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Beamish To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 5:49 AM Subject: ALPS > How many list members have and are using the ALPS? > Dale > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:51:39 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Fokker colors Message-ID: <000901c0209d$a48c8240$71f1aec7@default> > But i guess you could be safe with any dark olive that suits your personal > tastes. > > Pedro I have noticed early Fokker bipes done in streaky Fokker camo that is a decidedlybrown shade like RK's Fok.D.V while many Dr.1s are done with a greener shade. I have a cute little vac in 1:72 of the Fok. D.I. A good photo of this exists in Aces High and it appears to be CDL with Eindekker like mottling on the cowl & sheetmetal. When did the brown streaks start and when did the green ones begin? I don't have the early Fokker DF and purchasing it will be out of the question for a while, so if anyone can give it a squizzy and LMK, I'd appreciate it. TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 08:43:43 -0400 From: Dan To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: German two-seaters Message-ID: <39C4BC7F.512CA934@mindspring.com> Gaston Graf wrote: > When an Englishman plays with his typical black (and often tasteless) humor > the whole world laughs, but when a Luxembourger gets sarcastic the hell > breaks loose on him. That remark was not meant to hurt anybody - it was > meant to be a joke. Did you notice the smiley behind it? > My apologies to your wife and everybody who feels offended. > That's all I can say. > > Gaston I neither knew (nor cared) you were from Luxembourg, and I *still* found your remarks tasteless and racist. Instead of trying to cry that people are prejudiced against *you,* learn from it. Don't try to blame others for the position you put yourself into. You weren't funny, you were just offensive. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:46:22 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again Message-ID: <001e01c0209c$e9532060$94fc6420@stephen> Dale Beamish, agent provacateur, on Sunday, September 17, 2000 7:13 AM lit the fuse and wrote: | > > I've stayed away from this argument because, quite frankly, I don't | > > know. I like the idea of a yellow cowl, but the arguments | > > against are just as valid. | | There IS a correct version if someone is going to model Voss' DRI. It has to | be done as a diorama though with two mechanics working on the A/C. Place a | table next to the A/C and place the cowl on it. One mechanic has a brush | .... half the cowl is yellow ... half the cowl is green ... question | solved! I have not bothered the List with this matter since the police action of ET effectively shut down the most recent Voss thread, but must respond to this sneak attack. How does the Beamish Plot solve the question? It makes for a cute diorama, but only models the current controversy, not the appearance of the cowl based on the best historical evidence. The original post's "the arguments against [yellow] are just as valid' turns the whole color question upside down. It is not the Party of Green (Olive Brown, if one prefers) that needs to prove anything, but rather the Party of Yellow. It is Imrie's undocumented assertion that needs to be questioned. Anyone with a continuing interest in making up their own mind about the matter may be inteesteed in the posting of Alex Revell on The Aerodrome where, in defending his friend Alex Imrie, he reduces the evidence for yellow to two points: photographic (where he means the supposed sensitivity of orthochromatic film) and MvR's standing directive that jasta aircraft be painted in unit colors. On the basis of other of his posts, what Mr. Revell knows about period photography isn't worth a bucket of warm spit. There is no photographic evidence favoring yellow. Quite the contrary. And as for arguing on the basis of precedent and standard operating procedure, MvR's own unpainted F.1 102/17 is strong supoort against Voss' being (re)painted. All the derivative points adduced in support of yellow is just so much second-hand smoke. Clouds piled on clouds. Don't worry, I'm not trying to restart this thread, just ...defuse it. Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:07:11 -0400 From: mdf To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport monoplanes Message-ID: <39C4C1FF.6498B844@mars.ark.com> It has many details that differ from the normal II.N (cockpit, engine cover etc) but then it may have been among the very last built. 8.65m is fairly close to 28 feet (I was going from a contemporary British drawing), especially given the variations that seemed to exist between individual machines. Mike Len Smith wrote: > > Mike, > > The name board of the Nieuport IIN in the Museé de l'Air gives the span as > 8.65 metres, the length as 7.15metres and the motor as Nieuport-Darracq of > 28cv. It also states that the aircraft was 'reconstituted' in 1919 by the > Nieuport factory, which should make it reasonably accurate. > > Regards Len. > > lensmith@clara.net > http://home.clara.net/lensmith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mdf" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 4:12 AM > Subject: Re: Nieuport monoplanes > > > Those are the only 2 kits I know of ... > > > > The IV.G had a span of approx 34 feet (give or take a few inches) while > > the IV.M span was roughly 40 feet. > > The II was closer to 28 feet and was a singler seater (and was used by > > the Thai's, among others) > > > > Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:01:27 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again Message-ID: <004b01c020a7$66f47d20$2337b8a1@darcy> > effectively shut down the most recent Voss thread, but must respond to this > sneak attack. > How does the Beamish Plot solve the question? Sneak Attack??? The "Beamish Plot" ??? LOL Man this cowl bothers you doesn't it. I hope for your sake Stef you find the answer. My intention was to try and direct the subject back to what it's about. Modeling. Just more important things in life than arguing about a cowl. Now where's that ignore button ..... Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 08:56:06 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again Message-ID: <005101c020a6$a7167260$94fc6420@stephen> Agent Beamish replied with the following coded message: | LOL =Like Olive Lots. | Man this cowl bothers you | doesn't it. I hope for your sake Stef you find the answer. =this cowl I hope for, you the answer. The balance is filler to fool the color nazis. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:22:24 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: German two-seaters Message-ID: <8e.a9e1c48.26f62da0@aol.com> Hey guys, knock it off. We don't need any rancor here. There's enough in the real world. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:34:23 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1FAQ" Subject: Aeroplane Woods - 1912 Overview Message-ID: <003301c020b4$7065dd60$b42c57d8@cnlduckwor> Our main library has an assortment of pre-WWI books on 'aeroplanes'. There was some questions recently on the type of woods used so I dug out a page I'd copied on the different woods discussed in one of the books. I didn't copy the title page but I believe the material is from around 1912. There was no mention of staining, but it does state that wood was not to be painted but varnished so one could tell is the wood had split or was starting to break during inspection before a flight. Charlie "Spruce, of clear silver grain, straight, smooth and free of knotholes or sap pockets, is the lightest strongest and generally satisfactory material for aeroplane construction available. It must be properly ferruled, where fittings are attached, however, to prevent splitting. As a material for spars, ribs, struts, etc., it gives a splendid combination of flexibility, lightness and strength. Ash is springy, strong in tension, hard and very tough. Its weight, however, is considerable greater than spruce, which, when properly ferruled, can for the same weight be made stronger than any other wood. Maple has excellent qualities, in strength and reliability, for very small wood details requiring unusual resisting powers - like blocks connecting rib pieces across a spar. Hard pine is tough, uniform wood, particularly applicable to members like the longerons of fuselages. Walnut and Mahogany are used extensively on propellers, their uniformity in fishing and strength giving excellent results for this purpose. Cedar is often used as planking of hulls or fuselages covering, is readily obtained in the boards, and quite uniform and easily worked. In this connection, fuselages, particularly "monocoques", are sometimes made of veneers, or glued layers of wood, with the grains crossing for added strength. Tulip wood, bass wood, cedar, alder and mahogany are used for veneer covering work. There are innumerable trade makes of 'veneers' some of them very satisfactory in aeroplane work. Hickory which is tough and springy, and with hard surface is a favorite material for skids, control levers, etc. For the preservation of wood several coats of spar varnish, or of aeroplane dope, should be used, after an original "filler" of oil or shellac. Laminations in wood members are designed to make splitting of the members more difficult by having different layers of wood with the grain running in opposite directions, glued firmly together. Weathering, however, is apt to affect the glue in such a way that it is a good practice to wrap the members with linen paper or to freshen up the paint or varnish from time to time. The wrapping of wooded members with linen, may be made to increase the strength against splitting, if the linen is wound very tight and treated with dope or glue in such a way that it will be forcibly tighten up. The dope should be renewed from time to time." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:32:21 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: German two-seaters Message-ID: <20000917.103223.-230209.1.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> I agree, if you want to spout off, go on over to adolfhitler.com. This is models, models, and more models, in case the dicta ira was forgotten. Lyle On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Otisgood@aol.com writes: > Hey guys, knock it off. We don't need any rancor here. There's enough > in the > real world. > > Otis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:58:30 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: ALPS + Re: Fokker colors + Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again Message-ID: I wonder why these three topics popup now again with replies already read weeks ago??? Went something wrong with the list? Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:16:25 -0500 From: Paul A Schwartzkopf To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: German two-seaters Message-ID: <20000917.111625.-16538577.0.plschwartzkopf@juno.com> > While I wait for my latest (okay .. second) figure conversion to dry, I thought I would start on some German two-seater profiles. Any suggestions as to which types to do next? < How about the Fokker B? For some reason, I really like the early WWI types (not to be confused with those doughboys who used to get up at 4 AM). Paul ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:37:00 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Pegasus and other BE2e kits in 1/72 Message-ID: <200009171637.SAA38767@mail-relay.eunet.no> Hei, The Tom-M kit is different from the Czechmaster kit, the latter is moulded with larger finesse and resembles the Pegasus one. Main problem with Czechmaster kit is that it is in dark green which will take some layers of paint if you want a traslucent clear doped one, and that the Lewis magazines are moulded to the fuselage. It has no dihederal while it is rather pronounced in the Tom-M. I find the Tom-M to be a competent kit, but the airfoil is to thick, it is probably unfair to compare it to one of Czechmasters very best. Eders Knut Erik Michael wrote: >I wonder if the Tom-M resin kit is the Czechmaster kit? It is made in the >Czech Republic. VAMP Models lists it for $9.50 for those who are fortunate >enough to be abe to send in U.S. bank checks (cheques). Pegasus is >stg13.99, and Pegasus charges no S&H for orders over stg15. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:42:18 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Engine pictures Message-ID: <200009171642.SAA38953@mail-relay.eunet.no> Hei, Just want to let you know that Gaston has placed on the web my scans of Clerget/Le Rhone rotaries and Mercedes/Puma inline engines on //jastaboelcke.de/workbench Comment are welcome, but I will be off list next week as I will be training on light craft Monday to Thursday. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:23:44 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <002801c020cc$0893e020$a4885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> In my original post regarding the new book 'The Lafayette Flying Corps' I believe I neglected to make clear that the book also includes all Americans serving in the French Air Service not just N.124. 269 men in all, including observers. Having now had a chance to spend a little time with it I realize that this isn't merely an expanded 'Lafayette Biographies' but a significant new addition to WW1 aviation literature. Especially if your interest is in other French units. It also includes many never before published photos. Cheers Brad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:56:47 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker colors Message-ID: <6e.318fda0.26f65fdf@aol.com> In a message dated 9/17/00 4:50:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << I have noticed early Fokker bipes done in streaky Fokker camo that is a decidedlybrown shade like RK's Fok.D.V while many Dr.1s are done with a greener shade. >> That turned into a little experiment- the paint I used for streaking was really quite green in the film canister and on the palette, but the more I streaked it out, the browner it got. I attempted to duplicate actual practice by using a small narrow brush, loaded with color and brushing along a segment till the brush was almost empty. These descriptions we read of the streaking color being either brownish or greenish I think in reality are just the consequences of the method of application- just like my model! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:56:50 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport monoplanes Message-ID: <7d.a702d40.26f65fe2@aol.com> In a message dated 9/17/00 6:04:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mdf@mars.ark.com writes: << The IV.G had a span of approx 34 feet (give or take a few inches) >> The span of the IV G in the Swedish Air Force Museum is given as 10.9m.....vaguely 35' and about 9 wobbly inches, give or take. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:57:01 GMT From: "Candice Uhlir" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The URL for the Boston Area Aviation Festival Message-ID: John, Candice is well connected!! ANyway...I missed the show...I got into my hotel at 4AM in Cambridge last night!! It is easy to get lost in Cambridge in the dark of the night Candice >From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: The URL for the Boston Area Aviation Festival >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:00:39 -0400 (EDT) > >GADS!! This is in my home town & I didn't even know it was happening!!! > >John Cyg. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gaston Graf >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:01 PM >Subject: RE: The URL for the Boston Area Aviation Festival > > > > oh shit... and I cannot be there, buhuhuuu :o(:::::::::: > > > > GG > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > > > Candice Uhlir > > > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 7:46 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: The URL for the Boston Area Aviation Festival > > > > > > > > > http://www.dwc.edu/features/events/avherfest.html > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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