WWI Digest 2636 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Italian front on the ground by "Michael Kendix" 2) Re: Three-color Albatros Wings by "Mark Shannon" 3) Pfalz D.III Existence by "Graham Hunter" 4) Re: 1/72 OT ground stuff by GRBroman@aol.com 5) Re: 1/72 OT ground stuff by "Matt Bittner" 6) Re: Rhinebeck by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 7) Re: ISO: Jasta 30 Unit Colors by "Lance Krieg" 8) Re: whose Albatros? by "DAVID BURKE" 9) Re: Pfalz D.III Existence by "DAVID BURKE" 10) Gas Attack (no, not a burrito) by "DAVID BURKE" 11) Re:Old Rhinebeck by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 12) 3 Color Albatrosen ... was Roland C-II Camouflage Colors by "Lance Krieg" 13) Re: Pfalz D.III Existence by "Lance Krieg" 14) Re: Pfalz D.III Existence by "Michael Kendix" 15) Re: Gas Attack (no, not a burrito) by Zulis@aol.com 16) Re: Pfalz D.III Existence by "Lance Krieg" 17) RE: Old Rhinebeck by "Graham Hunter" 18) RE: Pfalz D.III Existence by "dfernet0" 19) RE: Gas Attack (no, not a burrito) by "Graham Hunter" 20) Re: Rhinebeck by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 21) Re: Pfalz D.III Existence by MAnde72343@aol.com 22) Re: 1/72 OT ground stuff by GRBroman@aol.com 23) Re: Pfalz D.III Existence by MAnde72343@aol.com 24) RE: Pfalz D.III Existence by "Michael Kendix" 25) Re: Gas Attack (no, not a burrito) by MAnde72343@aol.com 26) RE: Pfalz D.III Existence by "Graham Hunter" 27) Re: Pfalz D.III Existence by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: Pfalz D.III Existence by KarrArt@aol.com 29) Re: Pfalz D.III Existence by "Matt Bittner" 30) Re: Italian front on the ground by "Andy Kemp" 31) Caudron G.4, was RE: Pfalz D.III Existence by "Matt Bittner" 32) Re: 3 Color Albatrosen ... was Roland C-II Camouflage Colors by "Matt Bittner" 33) RE: Pfalz D.III Existence by "dfernet0" 34) Re: R. Gentilli's book in English by "Andy Kemp" 35) Re: Caudron G.4, was RE: Pfalz D.III Existence by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 36) Re: Caudron G.4 by "Matt Bittner" 37) Re: Rhinebeck by "Brad & Merville" 38) Wright Flyer by MAnde72343@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:11:26 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Italian front on the ground Message-ID: > >Since reading "A Soldier of the Great War," I've been hunting >information >on the Italian ground war. Besides a few Web sites and >the obligatory >chapter in each WWI book, there doesn't seem to be >much available. > Try Cyril Falls "Caporetto". Contains the obvious. Not too badly written and has a fair amount on Rommel's (sp?)role. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:43:42 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Three-color Albatros Wings Message-ID: The three-color wings have actually been floating around in the literature for a while. Dan-San Abbot is the most recent to give firm pronouncements from his research, and it pretty much nails the topic firmly, but there are readily available photos that people have worked hard at times to convince are two color that are rather obviously three. It is a little unclear about exactly what point changes were made, but what seems clear now is that at least the early production Albatross D.III's were produced with the wings and horizontal tail upper surfaces in Red-brown (Venetian Red), Dark Green (Dark Brunswick Green/ Dark Olive), and light green (Grey Green, light olive). The parenthetical color names are others that I have seen thrown around. Others on the list are much more conversant than me on the exact information. I may get chopped here on some mistatements of the history and such, but the general agreement on a three color scheme of a dark green, a light green or green gray, and a red-brown is now pretty well set. The Eduard instructions show a few examples, and Bob Pearson's profiles on the Cook-Up page and his own page show some more. As for the Roland C-II, I am convinced that the red-brown is more likely to the point of an almost surety. However, I do not stand in the way of anyone who likes the overall lilac/green scheme and only offer arguments that such a builder may throw in the face of the "Color and Markings Police" at the local club (or pub), if so inclined. The fact that a supposedly clear and officially described war (the second unpleasantness, to us) could contain so many cases of official documents ratifying field expedients, variations by manufacturer, color varience in examples, and, yes, the hanging on of long superceded directives, makes it even more ridiculous to assault a modeller of OT aircraft for the wrong shade of PC-10 or the firm statement that lilac was not used before the spring of 1917 directive. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:49:36 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: <000001c01d91$d7566240$fa0101c0@grahamh> Hey List, Does anyone know if there are any surviving Pfalz D.IIIa's at any of the museums or collections. This AC is one of my favourites. The datafile has several pictures of captured (French, British, Canadian, & American) D.IIIa's but no mention in appendix of surviving planes. Regards, Graham H. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:47:34 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: Subject: Re: 1/72 OT ground stuff Message-ID: <79.982006a.26f0ed86@aol.com> In a message dated Wed, 13 Sep 2000 5:57:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Matthew Bittner" < Rumor has it they plan on releasing a 1/72nd A7V. It's not a rumour. When I got the Emhar 1/72 figure and arty kits to review, they sent along teh A7V announcement. Life is good. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:50:34 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: 1/72 OT ground stuff Message-ID: <200009131450.HAA07585@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:51:57 -0400 (EDT), GRBroman@aol.com wrote: > It's not a rumour. When I got the Emhar 1/72 figure and arty kits to review, they sent along teh A7V announcement. Life is good. Woo hoo!! Most excellent. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:12:21 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rhinebeck Message-ID: <85256959.0053DD21.00@hysoft-gateway1.hyperion.com> Hi All, I have also enjoyed Rhinebeck over the years. Having grown up in New York City and now living in the suburbs, I was never more than a 2.5 hour ride away and now only about an hour! I have tried to go at least once a season and sometimes more for special events. While I agree that these are mostly "replicas" and John Cyg makes a great case regarding a replica SPAD VII vs. restoring the A1 or the Dolphin, I'm afraid that they also need to consider, unfortunately as we all do, economics. They try to provide broad appeal( which as we all know isn't always right) to attract as many visitors as possible. They have certainly taken huge strides in authenticity over the last few years, but there are still limits. The vast majority of people wouldn't know the difference between a radial or a rotary if it bit them in the you know what. When I go to Rhinebeck, I still see people oooohing and ahhhhhhing over those beautiful birds streaking across the sky at 80mph!!!! Knowing that these are replicas vs. the real thing doesn't detract from my enjoyment at watching them fly. The bottom line is we are less likely to see originals in flight after almost 90 years than replicas. At first, I thought that the tailwheel on the SPAD VII was atrocious, but let's face facts; you have less crakups with tailwheels than with skids!!! espaecially on a field type runway. Also, they have had to put up with new B.S. regulations from the Luftwaffe High Command-oh, sorry, Freudian slip, I meant the FAA(who never seems to get much of anything right), in that they have had to be a little more "practical" in their flying and aircraft. Most folks don't know what a SPAD VII even is much less what's under the hood!! I didn't mean to ramble, but I think this is a fantastic organization and one of the very few that keeps this amzing peiriod of history alive and that's why I support Old Rhinebeck. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:29:43 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: ISO: Jasta 30 Unit Colors Message-ID: Stef, the most recent Cross &Cockade (International) (Volume 30, Number 2?) has reprinted several Jasta 30 photos in a larger format. I only gave them a passing glance, but there were several variations and larger than those that appeared in Windsock. HTH Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:24:04 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: whose Albatros? Message-ID: <003d01c01d97$bff8e180$be8caec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:16 PM Subject: RE: whose Albatros? > DB says: > > > > > Wait a minute chief, I didn't say that - better check > > your files! > > Yes, I know, it was actually DZ not DB, damn near an alphabet worth of > difference. Gotcha pegged now though > > Dave "Z"ulis - jokes about geography > > Dave "B"urke - jokes about bruised butts. > > No trouble....... > > Shane > > ;-) > And 'SW' means SouthWest, which is where this thread has gone in a damned hurry.... Cheers, DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:27:45 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: <003e01c01d97$c0c0c560$be8caec7@com> Ain't there one at NASM? DB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Hunter" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: Pfalz D.III Existence > Hey List, > > Does anyone know if there are any surviving Pfalz D.IIIa's at any of the > museums or collections. This AC is one of my favourites. The datafile has > several pictures of captured (French, British, Canadian, & American) > D.IIIa's but no mention in appendix of surviving planes. > > Regards, Graham H. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:31:53 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Gas Attack (no, not a burrito) Message-ID: <003f01c01d97$c2199ea0$be8caec7@com> Hi Gang, I had a thought last night: of course gas was used in shells. Was it also used in A/C bombs? Were there instances where gas was used in an attempt to knock down planes or were there instances where pilots inadvertantly got gassed flying thru an attack? Inquiring minds want to know, and so do I... DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:31:27 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re:Old Rhinebeck Message-ID: <85256959.00559CCB.00@hysoft-gateway1.hyperion.com> Hi All, Hit that send button too soon. They are having a Golden Age Biplane Fly-In Weekend 9/30 & 10/1. This was rescheduled from an earlier date. I am planning on this one. I wholeheartedly agree with Tom's and Doug's comments. Better to have a museum like Old Rhinebeck than not have it at all. Less anality(lower the sphincter pressure folks!!!) about authenticity and more enjoyment regarding your hobby will help you live longer!!!! http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/events2000.htm Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:39:09 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: 3 Color Albatrosen ... was Roland C-II Camouflage Colors Message-ID: I'm with Patrick in feeling a little bemused with the appearance of the three-color schemes. I seem to recall that it was discussed in World War One Aero, and the DS Abbott was the first proponent. Am I right about this? I don't doubt at all that there were three colors, as seems obvious in looking at photos - now. But I have a couple of questions: 1. How did anyone determine WHAT those colors were? Capture reports? How have we got specific references? 2. What do other color experts have to say? Is there consensus on this from people like Alex Imrie? Inquiring minds want to know.... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:43:09 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: Graham wants to: "...know if there are any surviving Pfalz D.IIIa's." DB is trying to invent one for the NASM, but there is none that I am aware of, unfortunately. Several D.XIIs, tho. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:45:22 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: Dave: I know they have a Pflaz D.XII in strange colours but I don't recall a D.III or D.IIIa. Brian Nicklaus will inform us, I'm sure. OT, NASM also has a Fokker D.VII, Snipe, Voisin 8, SPAD XIII and an Albatros D.Va. Michael >From: "DAVID BURKE" > >Ain't there one at NASM? > > >DB >From: "Graham Hunter" > > > > Does anyone know if there are any surviving Pfalz D.IIIa's at any > >of >the museums or collections. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:49:19 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gas Attack (no, not a burrito) Message-ID: <5a.a9f1b49.26f0fbff@aol.com> << Were there instances where gas was used in an attempt to knock down planes or were there instances where pilots inadvertantly got gassed flying thru an attack? >> I cannot imagine using gas to bring down a plane, but I am certain that I have read about pilots doing strafing and such being concerned about flying through a gas attack in progress on the ground. Presumably, their exposure would be much less than those on the ground - probably very quick and in most cases less concentrated - but it was enough for them to be aware of it. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:57:08 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: Michael lists: "OT, NASM also has a Fokker D.VII, Snipe, Voisin 8, SPAD XIII and an Albatros D.Va." Also the FE 8 repro and a SPAD XVI - on display, with the N.28 almost ready. But tell us, Brian, what is gathering dust out at Garber that we would be drooling on? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:10:10 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Old Rhinebeck Message-ID: <000101c01d9d$18326240$fa0101c0@grahamh> <> I hope this does not effect the fly-in that is at Wright Patterson in Dayton. Dawn Patrol is 09/29 to 10/01. About 50 originals and replicas by last count. Graham ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:03:57 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: <004401c01d9c$399f0380$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lance asks: > But tell us, Brian, what is gathering dust out at Garber that we would be drooling on? > The Lost Ark. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:16:05 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Gas Attack (no, not a burrito) Message-ID: <000201c01d9d$eb6c7b00$fa0101c0@grahamh> <> This makes alot of sense. In the closing months of the war fighter pilots were on more and more strafing missions. Graham ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:20:26 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rhinebeck Message-ID: <63.b069436.26f1034a@aol.com> In a message dated 9/13/00 6:26:43 AM EST, janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << And when a replica is as far away from the original design as the Rheinbeck SPAD 7 is, I could stay home and watch the aircraft take off & land at the Nashua airport. I am much less inclined to take a 5 hour trip to look at it no matter how good the cosmetics. >> Fully understood. Back in the 70s, there was a guy who came to Watsonville with a Dr.I powered by a Warner Scarab. That airplane never ended up in my photo files of the shows, didn't want to waste film on it. There was, for a couple of years, a Spad S.VII in RFC P.C.10 that was Hisso-powered, that showed up, then stopped. Never heard what happened to it, but at the time no one had heard of any crashes. That Jenny was something to see, particularly when its owner, Jim Nissen, put on an aerobatics routine over the field. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:25:13 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: <7d.a4427ae.26f10469@aol.com> All Pfalz D.IIIs are gone, few survived the destruction after the war, and the captured examples were scrapped or burned, as funds for historic preservation of 'enemy' aircraft were denied; only reproductions are still around. (check out the scrap pile photo on page 32 of the DXII Datafile, if you wonder where most of them went) Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:27:42 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/72 OT ground stuff Message-ID: In a message dated 9/13/2000 9:54:09 AM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > It's not a rumour. When I got the Emhar 1/72 figure and arty kits to review, > they sent along teh A7V announcement. Life is good. > > Woo hoo!! Most excellent. Since I'm now back from my worksite and in the office, I have the announcement in front of me. Due in late 2000. Sounds like a great stocking stuffer to me. Glen. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:28:35 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: <76.2f77507.26f10533@aol.com> No, that's a DXII, if they have a DIII, it's a repro. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:30:32 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: >From: "dfernet0" > >Lance asks: > > But tell us, Brian, what is gathering dust out at Garber that we would >be >drooling on? > > > >The Lost Ark. >D. Oh no, they already have one of those in the Natural History Section. The Garber workshop is doing a Seiran (Japanese WW2 seaplane), Hurricane and apparently, they've begun to refurbish the CAUDRON G.IV!! Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:33:44 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gas Attack (no, not a burrito) Message-ID: <5b.b370b74.26f10668@aol.com> Pilots on low level missions were issued gas masks, routine for the crews of the German 'contact patrol' and trench strafing two seaters. The gasses used were all (?) heavier than air, and so did not go very high into the atmosphere, and by then were pretty diluted, the one drop kills sorts of gasses weren't invented yet. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:39:54 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: <000301c01da1$3f882100$fa0101c0@grahamh> All Pfalz D.IIIs are gone, few survived the destruction after the war, and the captured examples were scrapped or burned, as funds for historic preservation of 'enemy' aircraft were denied; only reproductions are still around. (check out the scrap pile photo on page 32 of the DXII Datafile, if you wonder where most of them went) Merrill Crying in my beer...Damn the cost of war... Graham ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:47:39 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: <2d.d476a5.26f109ab@aol.com> In a message dated 9/13/00 9:09:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << Lance asks: > But tell us, Brian, what is gathering dust out at Garber that we would be drooling on? > The Lost Ark. D. >> VVoss Cowl? MvR's left....uh....uh....thumb? RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:47:38 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: <64.6757d44.26f109aa@aol.com> In a message dated 9/13/00 9:27:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: << All Pfalz D.IIIs are gone, few survived the destruction after the war, and the captured examples were scrapped or burned, as funds for historic preservation of 'enemy' aircraft were denied; only reproductions are still around. (check out the scrap pile photo on page 32 of the DXII Datafile, if you wonder where most of them went) Merrill >> In a very early Windsock, Rimell caught a rumor that a D.III was still in existance somewhere. This being his favorite airplane, he was beside himself....alas, it turned out to be just that- a rumor. I think there is a rudder in the IWM. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:55:14 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: <200009131655.JAA16201@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:01:52 -0400 (EDT), Lance Krieg wrote: > Also the FE 8 repro and a SPAD XVI - on display, with the N.28 almost ready. The SPAD 16 on loan to the USAFM. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:43:45 +0100 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: Italian front on the ground Message-ID: <008801c01da3$5ba52c00$cf256cd5@5120> You can get the British slant on things through the Official History - a reprint of which is doing the rounds at the moment. Look out for "Military Operations, Italy - 1915-18" - released by Battery Press. Cost me 27GBP ... Andy K ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Swaim To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:45 AM Subject: Italian front on the ground > Since reading "A Soldier of the Great War," I've been hunting information on > the Italian ground war. Besides a few Web sites and the obligatory chapter > in each WWI book, there doesn't seem to be much available. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:57:42 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Caudron G.4, was RE: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: <200009131657.JAA24838@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:35:39 -0400 (EDT), Michael Kendix wrote: > Oh no, they already have one of those in the Natural History Section. The > Garber workshop is doing a Seiran (Japanese WW2 seaplane), Hurricane and > apparently, they've begun to refurbish the CAUDRON G.IV!! I hope I'm not the only one who hopes they put out a book aka D.V after the restoration. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:01:48 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: 3 Color Albatrosen ... was Roland C-II Camouflage Colors Message-ID: <200009131701.KAA09457@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:44:06 -0400 (EDT), Lance Krieg wrote: > 2. What do other color experts have to say? Is there consensus on this from people like Alex Imrie? Well, GVW supports it since his JGI book goes into the colors a bit. At least, I think he does. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:00:16 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: <009f01c01da4$17b42d60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > VVoss Cowl? Yes, right beside the wooden crate containing the Ark. Unfortunately the paint finish has been completely damaged due to the intense heat coming from the box that also damaged the original packing marks made by the germans in the mid 30s. The heat damage also reduced a Pfalz DIII fuselage to ashes, melt two or three Fabergé golden eggs (no one can say for sure), and cooked an aegyptian mummy. For the extensive damage that the box was doing in the storage area, it was buried in some place of Africa, in an abandoned archeological site, som people say that around the ancient city of Tanis. D. diving steeply into friendly lines. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:02:30 +0100 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: R. Gentilli's book in English Message-ID: <00b701c01da4$6c83e880$cf256cd5@5120> You can get Barry Ketley (the man behind Hikoki) on: hikoki@dircon.co.uk Andy K ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 9:42 AM Subject: Re: R. Gentilli's book in English > Hikoki's website is at http://www.hikokiwarplanes.com perhaps there is an > email link there > > Regards, > Bob > > > ---------- > >From: "Alberto Casirati" > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: R. Gentilli's book in English > >Date: Wed, Sep 13, 2000, 12:16 am > > > > > I am told that the excellent book "I Reparti dell'Aviazione Italiana nella > > Grande Guerra", by R. Gentilli and P. Varriale, could be published, in > > English language, by the British publisher HIKOKI. > > > > Agreements are still to be signed, and it would be great if list members > > could write Hikoki saying they are interested in the book. > > > > Unfortunately, I do not have an e-mail address for them , but maybe someoune > > on the List does? > > > > All the best, > > > > Alberto Casirati > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:14:00 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Caudron G.4, was RE: Pfalz D.III Existence Message-ID: The Caudron is not being restored ala the Albatros D.Va, it is being preserved/conserved. The tears in the fabric are being repaired, other bits are being cleaned/repaired. This is part of the ongoing work to prepare for moving aircraft to Dulles Airport for display at the new facility. No new major restorations until after the move. The book series is dead - and so dead that reprinting the Albatros book is highly unlikely. (Part of the contract or something) Several of us are hoping this will change. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:25:35 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Caudron G.4 Message-ID: <200009131725.KAA29367@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:15:39 -0400 (EDT), Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu wrote: > The Caudron is not being restored ala the Albatros D.Va, it is being > preserved/conserved. > The tears in the fabric are being repaired, other bits are being > cleaned/repaired. > This is part of the ongoing work to prepare for moving aircraft to Dulles > Airport for display > at the new facility. No new major restorations until after the move. > The book series is dead - and so dead that reprinting the Albatros book is > highly unlikely. > (Part of the contract or something) Several of us are hoping this will > change. Bummer. What are the chances "you" get to "climb" in and around the G.4 taking very detailed photo's? :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:30:31 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: Rhinebeck Message-ID: <009101c01da8$9ee828a0$88885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> Tom I also have a burning desire to see a living breathing Tyrannosaurus Rex! But I guess I'll have to make due with the animatronic one at the local museum for now. : ) I understand your point but the thrill I get seeing an original airframe powered by an original powerplant enter the air ever so slightly outweighs the horror of it (a sentiment that has been expressed to me several times by some of the pilots at Rhinebeck themselves). Of course common sense dictates they should be safely cacooned in a nice fire, light and humidity proof environment. It's not ignorance, it's pure selfishness which I'm sure I'll regret one day. You wouldn't happen to have a picture of the OX-5 powered Travelaire 2000 would you? I'd love to see it. Illusions was a book that helped change my life when I was at a critical age and led me to all of Mr. Bach's other books and to my local airport. There I met a good friend with a 1946 J3 which in turn led to many happy hours in the air including a couple of trips where we walked home due to a cantankerous and elderly Continental. Brad PS Please don't tell my boss I'm not a flyer or I'll most certainly lose my job! nb: Eduard Albatros DV. I'm starting to hand cut the long wavy lines for the fuselage from a sheet of white decal film. I've never tried this before and had no idea I could hold my breath for so long. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:40:58 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Wright Flyer Message-ID: <30.a1bb31a.26f1162a@aol.com> Did anyone else notice the recent announcement of a flying replica being made for the centennial of flight? This may be slightly ot, but it fits with the discussions of replica vs restorations flying today. FWIW, the replicas are often as authentic as possible, some are nearly externally as true to the original as possible, the Jenny replica being made here in Minnesota is being made exactly as the original, wire braced wood, my two cents is that tail wheels and hidden non authentic engines are ok for replicas meant to fly, authentic engines are few and precious historical artifacts, and wearing them out or rebuilding the few surviving with reproduction parts ruins them for historical reference. Merrill ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2636 **********************