WWI Digest 2635 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Book The Martinsyde File by "cameron rile" 2) Almark by "Matthew Bittner" 3) Re: Almark by Mike Kavanaugh 4) Re: Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? by skarver@banet.net 5) ISO: Jasta 30 Unit Colors by skarver@banet.net 6) Re: Italian aerial threat by mdf 7) Aviation Awards of Germany in WWI Vols. III & IV by "Courtney Allen" 8) Italian front on the ground by "Edward Swaim" 9) Re: Roland C-II Camouflage Colors by "Patrick Gilmore" 10) Rhinebeck by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 11) Floh Help by Sixmilfigs@cs.com 12) 1/72 OT ground stuff by Carlos Valdes 13) RE: Rhinebeck by Shane Weier 14) Re: Floh Help by Zulis@aol.com 15) Re: Rhinebeck by K129000@aol.com 16) Re: whose Albatros? by "DAVID BURKE" 17) Re: Italian aerial threat by "DAVID BURKE" 18) RE: whose Albatros? by Shane Weier 19) Re: Rhinebeck by Lyle Lamboley 20) RE: Rhinebeck by "Douglas R. Jones" 21) Re: Rhinebeck by "Brad & Merville" 22) Re: Rhinebeck by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 23) R. Gentilli's book in English by "Alberto Casirati" 24) Re: R. Gentilli's book in English by "Bob Pearson" 25) Re: Almark by David Fleming 26) Morane G and two persons by Witold Kozakiewicz 27) Re: Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? by David Solosy 28) Re: 1/72 OT ground stuff by "Matthew Bittner" 29) 1/72 Dragonfly engine by David Fleming 30) Re: Floh Help by "Matthew Bittner" 31) Re: 1/72 Dragonfly engine by "Matthew Bittner" 32) Re: Rhinebeck by "John & Allison Cyganowski" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:34:38 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Book The Martinsyde File Message-ID: <249E23AA0E884D115AD40005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> Charles, >Great OT chapter coverage of the S.1 two seater >going to France in the early months, the G100/102 Elephant both on the >Western and Mesopotamian Fronts and the Buzzard. Could I be a pain and ask you to elaborate on what is covered concerning the G100/102? cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:35:38 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Almark Message-ID: <200009130035.RAA21349@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Are Almark decals still in production? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:47:42 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Almark Message-ID: <39BEEACE.44B5DEDD@earthlink.net> Dunno, but www.Misterkit.com has a fairly extensive list of them OT and ot - - in your scale! Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:48:17 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? Message-ID: <016001c01d1c$4ffc52c0$68fe6520@stephen> For the reasons adduced by Lance Krieg and others, I, too, believe the green and brown scheme is the correct one for the subject Roland C.II--indeed, for all Roland C.IIs. And without diminishing the force of Mark Shannon's arguments favoring the idea that changes in practice in the field may often precede official 'ratification,' Cameron Rile's interesting and detailed history of his Cook-Up subject, the AWM Albatros DVa D5390/17, suggests that field practice can also be extremely conservative and noncompliant. USN and USAAC practice in the field during WWII is also rife with examples of supposedly superceded markings persisting long past official bulletins decreed changes. Just to muddy the waters further, I am somewhat sceptical of red-brown also, and favor a yellow-brown (mustard). My touchstone for this is the color photograph printed on the back cover of a Windsock issue (chapter and verse not to hand) of the original fabric-covered right side of a Roland-built Halberstadt sporting a triband green and mustard finish, where the green bands are applied fore and aft. This seems to accord with the disposition of camouflage on the Roland's, assuming of course that green is the color rendered as the darker gray in the photographs. In this case, I belong to the Party of the Yellows. Regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:06:15 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: ISO: Jasta 30 Unit Colors Message-ID: <018f01c01d1e$d307c4e0$68fe6520@stephen> For an article on Bertrab's Alb. D.III, I would apprecite any enlightenment List members can provide on the markings of this band of flyers. Dave Roberts in his WS 15:2,1999 endpiece on Bertrab's machine says that the unit colors used included black, red, and yellow. Franks in Jasta Pilots references the well-known use of black-bordered orange lozenges on the Pfalz D.IIIs. The J30 line-up reproduced--rather inadequately in the above-referenced WS--seems equivocal with respect to whether any particular unit color--or marking is in use at all. Examinatin of a high-resolution scan of the reproduction proved frustrating in this regard. There is a suggestion that spinners may have been painted a light color (yellow?). Otherwise, a wide variety--to say inconsistent--markings are in evidence: personal markings include relatively simple abstract symbols or the pilot's initial on the varnished fuselages. Two machines, including Bertrab's, are painted black (presumably), and two appear to have a white-bordered dark field applied to the vertical flying surface. Can anyone make sense of this? TIA to all and regards, Stef PS. Is a better published reproduction of the line-up known to anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:17:52 -0400 From: mdf To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Italian aerial threat Message-ID: <39BEE3D0.DF2FB13@mars.ark.com> Except that in the case of Iraq the west met minimal resistance as the Iraqis had already withdrawn their first line troops (against a very real threat of being annihilated by airpower) leaving behind a smattering of researvists, and in Vietnam, targets that would have limited N.V.A. activities were avoided for political reasons. On the other hand, the UK was able to retake the Falklands with an extremely minimal ground presence that spent more of its time directing aerial attacks than in traditional ground taking and holding. Rounding up surrendering troops is policing - not war. Airpower was also very effective against the Turkish early in ww1, where aerial operations often ran independant of the few generally ineffectual and poorly organized ground operations that were taking place,. Mike Fletcher DAVID BURKE wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Kessler" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: Italian aerial threat > > > > > --- Mark Miller wrote: > > > ...I thought everyone had > > > pretty much agreed that sooner or later some poor > > > slob had to stand on a piece of dirt in order to > > > "win" it. > > > > Actually, isn't the objective of warfare simply to > > convince your opponent that he is defeated, and thus > > secure your claim to whatever was in contention? In > > theory, at least, this would indicate that total > > victory from the air would be quite possible... > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > Matt K > > Naah. The purpose of warfare is to advance the aviation industry. And make > pretty planes. > > As to the convincing of the foe that he is lost, and the possibility of a > total victory by air, I need only refer you to two other conflicts in the > past century: Viet Nam and Iraq. In Viet Nam, U.S. air power was able to > push the enemy from his positions and harry his effectiveness. However, > when the planes and helos left, they came back. In Iraq, we bombed the > living crap out of them, but it still took ground forces to roll on the > Iraqis to get them out of Kuwait. Although, it could also be argued that > the introduction of the last two bombs dropped on Iraq, the 'bunker busters' > that were used to hit underground C&C facilities, did urge the leadership to > give up. > > In my opinion, unless the goal is total destruction of the enemy, his > people, land, etc. is the objective, air power alone can't do the trick. > > DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:18:12 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Aviation Awards of Germany in WWI Vols. III & IV Message-ID: <008d01c01d28$de8c2e00$5504480c@oemcomputer> Those looking for the older copies of the Aviation Awards of Germany in WWI should take a look at the two offerings on ebay. Great starting prices. Those not familiar with these vols. are missing out on some of the fine labour of love on WWI aviation. Courtney http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=435893642 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=435906927 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:40:30 -0500 From: "Edward Swaim" To: Subject: Italian front on the ground Message-ID: <002c01c01d2c$1878a460$0101a8c0@hppav> Since reading "A Soldier of the Great War," I've been hunting information on the Italian ground war. Besides a few Web sites and the obligatory chapter in each WWI book, there doesn't seem to be much available. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:54:58 -0400 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: Roland C-II Camouflage Colors Message-ID: <002a01c01d2e$01b341c0$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> > For that matter, since we now have rediscovered that the Albatros D.III scheme was three-color, I guess I wasn't on the list when this revelation was discussed. Can anyone give me a synopsis or give me a general idea of when this was discussed so I can consult the archives? I guess I was under the impression that most DIIIs had the lilac and green camo (based on the various Albatros Datafiles I have). I practically had my airbrush full of xtracolor lilac to do the wings of an Eduard DIII when I read this post..... Thanks! Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:49:36 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Rhinebeck Message-ID: <001601c01d2d$42431400$4f38183f@cyrixp166> I have really enjoyed Rhinebeck over the years. The smell of buring castor oil and the unique sound of a rotary engine on a warm summer Sunday afternoon is never to be forgotten. I am a little disappointed in the recent additions to the fold. I thought the D.VIII, Nieuport & Avro were about as close to flying WWI aircraft that I would ever see. The aiplanes really seem to live again and transport you across the years to experiance what these aircraft might have really been like. The Camel was maybe not perfect, but very close...the intentions were in the right place & of of course, the D.VII is magnificent. The SPAD V.II was a big disappointment for me. It really does look like a SPAD cosmetically. However, a tubular steel truss type fuselage & a 4 cylinder air cooled opposed engine, buried in the cowl behind the dummied radiator & exhausts does not make a SPAD to me. Don't get me wrong , it is a nice airplane that somebody worked hard on. But it isn't a SPAD and the fancy Guyneumer pait job won't change that fact. It would have been nice to see a larger investment into getting the Dolphin or the Morane AI to fly again. Likewise the Ryan "Spirit of St. Louis" replica will be nice, but I would prefer to see more WWI. How does everybody else feel? John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:01:22 EDT From: Sixmilfigs@cs.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Floh Help Message-ID: I just recently acquired the Classic Planes Floh vac and am interested in some pics of built up models. I know that someone has posted some images of Eduard kits, but I cannot find them. Would someone please be so kind as to point me in the right direction. I have tried searching the WWI page to no avail, looked through Hyperscale and Modelling Madness, also with no luck. Any help would be appreciated. Shawn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:06:51 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 1/72 OT ground stuff Message-ID: <39BEEF4B.6EC@conted.gatech.edu> I just found the following items which might be of interest listed at Squadron's site in the Just Arrived section. Carlos Emhar Models from England WW-EM7201 1/72 British WWI Infantry with Tank Crew $6.98 $5.47 WW-EM7202 1/72 British WWI Artillery with 18pdr Guns $6.98 $5.47 WW-EM7203 1/72 German WWI Infantry with Tank Crew $6.98 $5.47 WW-EM7204 1/72 German WWI Artillery with 96 n/A 76mm Guns $6.98 $5.47 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:03:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Rhinebeck Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621A26@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> John, > The Camel was maybe not perfect, but very > close...the > intentions were in the right place & of of course, the D.VII > is magnificent. I've forgotten. Have they painted over the horribly bogus Swabians scheme? And assuming so, what markings does it currently bear? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). 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DZ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:06:06 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rhinebeck Message-ID: In a message dated 00-09-12 22:57:00 EDT, you write: << The smell of buring castor oil and the unique sound of a rotary engine on a warm summer Sunday afternoon is never to be forgotten. >> It was a great experience when I was there in the summer of '93. Still remember it. The show was nice and it was great to see all the planes. They even took their 1911 Hanriot off the ground. It caught an updraft and was just able to stop before the end of the runway. K-129 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:57:03 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: whose Albatros? Message-ID: <005101c01d37$2c2fa2a0$e890aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 6:22 PM Subject: RE: whose Albatros? > DB > > > > Mourning is, of course, a small town just west of Brisbane.... > > > > Or a loud basketballer, now in Sydney. Whose own head is in Mourning, from > what I've heard of him ;-) > > Shane > > (no, actually, Alonzo is okay. There are a lot of mouthier basketballers) > Whoa, Wait a minute chief, I didn't say that - better check your files! I haven't been involved in this thread ('till now)! DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:58:43 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Italian aerial threat Message-ID: <005301c01d37$2e9cab00$e890aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Italian aerial threat > Thank you, Sun Tzu (or was that Chairman Mao?) Often the only way to > convince a stubborn human that he's defeated is to kill him (and on another > level, you still haven't 'won') > Ah So, Grasshopper, Your wisdom is vast and crunchy, like fortune cookie! :) DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:10:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: whose Albatros? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621A27@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> DB says: > > Wait a minute chief, I didn't say that - better check > your files! Yes, I know, it was actually DZ not DB, damn near an alphabet worth of difference. Gotcha pegged now though Dave "Z"ulis - jokes about geography Dave "B"urke - jokes about bruised butts. No trouble....... Shane ;-) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:18:38 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rhinebeck Message-ID: <20000913.001841.-146183.0.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> John, I think as you do that a WWI replica (or reproduction) should be powered by an original engine whenever possible. The trouble today is that these engines are problematic as to running ability and parts procurement, not to mention having qualified mechanics able to overhaul one as needed. Rhinebeck is fortunate in that they have the right guys there for the right TLC ( I spoke to an A&P mechanic at one of the little fields around here, and he didn't know that a rotary engine spun around the crankshaft. This is a scary thought...) and have their sources for these increasingly scarce parts. A lot of things happened there because of parts shortages in the past; the Albatros getting a Ranger engine instead of the Mercedes because of a broken crankshaft being one example. Cole was more concerned with getting planes into the air rather than ensuring that all details were right on, and I think that philosophy still pervades over there. I saw the Spad at Sun n Fun, and while the lack of a Hisso bugged me, I had to remember that this one was built for more than weekend flying. The FAA isn't too kindly disposed to ancient aero engines, and like Frank Ryder who had modern engines in most of his planes so they could do more flying, I think that Carl Swanson made that decision to avoid a lot of the red tape. It's way past my beddie bye time... Best, Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:43:24 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Rhinebeck Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000912232424.00a5d820@mail> At 11:09 PM 9/12/00 -0400, you wrote: >I've forgotten. Have they painted over the horribly bogus Swabians scheme? >And assuming so, what markings does it currently bear? Wow! Lot's of good and not so good comments on ORA. Having just returned from a weekend there let's see what I can add to the mix. By the way it was a TERRIFIC weekend. Lot's of great models this year including a Gotha bomber with about a 16' wing span! Anyway, yes the D-VII has a new paint job. This was done during the winter/spring of '98-'99. It looks terrific. The new color scheme on the Jenny is wonderful! Beautiful is all I can say. Though, for me, there was something about a rugged old Jenny in a worn OD scheme that looked 'right' to me. Based on what I saw fly this weekend here's the list as I know it: SPAD VII - last aircraft built by Carl Swearigen. Yes it has a Lycoming engine, tail wheel and brakes but frankly I don't care. This plane was acquired because it was well suited to doing off aerodrome events. Let's face it folks, they need money. And one way to get it is to advertise. N-11 - Replica with a 80hp LeRhone. Looks great, sounds great and smells great! Camel - Replica with a 160 Gnome. Great aircraft! Dr1 - Replica with a Ranger engine. Still really incredible to watch fly. D-VII - Replica. Last plane built by CP. Uses an original 180hp Mercedes engine. An amazing craft to watch fly. Watch Ken Cassens doing loops with smoke is pretty cool! Ken is not afraid to FLY this aircraft. D-VIII - Replica with a 160hp Gnome rotary. Amazing airplane to watch. Not flown this year. Brian Coughlin is busy with other projects and has moved further away from the Aerodrome. Has child #2 due any day. This plane is for sale for about $95K. 504K - Replica original motor. Great fun to see fly. On display this year was CPs original Dr1. Bleriot 11 - 60 - 70% original. Oldest flying plane in the US. Original Anzani 3 cyl radial engine. Hanriot - Replica with an original engine. Caudron G3 - Original (I think?) There are several more on static display in the Museum buildings. I am afraid I didn't make to the building up on the hill. Was having too much fun flying and watching! Did, finally, get a ride in the Standard! Great fun! I have no complaints or issues with what they are doing. They are trying to keep things going! They are still one of, if not the most, friendly and accessible museum around. I have NEVER been refused an opportunity to photo a plane up close. I have been to many museums that won't even let you close to their planes! Not ORA! They also FLY them. There are museums that do this but not many and not especially aircraft from prior to 1918. One of these days I will get a smattering of all my photos on line and I will try and get selected moments from my DV camera out onto a web site. That way those who have not had a chance to visit ORA can see what goes on. Doug -------------------------------------------------- Douglas R. Jones 972-394-4332 'I am a traveler of both Time and Space' Led Zeppelin -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:00:02 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: Rhinebeck Message-ID: <01b701c01d3f$7a641b60$8e885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> John I'm shattered! Shows what I know. I was under the impression that there was a Hisso under there! A flat four cylinder? Arrrgh! As I said I believe the engine to be the heart and soul. That's the biggest disappointment I've had since the Great War Flying Museum put a Ford Fiesta in their 1:1 scale SE5a. : ( Brad PS could you possibly send me the relevant details for purchasing the Halberstadt off list. I had it and I lost it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:46:02 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rhinebeck Message-ID: <54.93a554c.26f06e9a@aol.com> In a message dated 9/13/00 0:01:33 AM EST, BigglesRFC@globalserve.net writes: << John I'm shattered! Shows what I know. I was under the impression that there was a Hisso under there! A flat four cylinder? Arrrgh! As I said I believe the engine to be the heart and soul. That's the biggest disappointment I've had since the Great War Flying Museum put a Ford Fiesta in their 1:1 scale SE5a. : ( >> I hate to say this, but I notice that most of you who are complaining about the lack of original engines are not flyers. If you were, you would understand the problem: the old engines were not reliable back then and are less so now, and when you get to the 100-hour check and don't have that 80 year old part, you are SOL for further flying. I have been around antique airplanes now for 35 years, and I can tell you that in the majority of cases where the airplane crashed, those old engines had something to do with it. The Travelaire 2000 that was flown by "the reluctant messiah" in Richard Bach's book "Illusions" used to really exist. It was owned by my friend Larry Stephen, and powered by one of those @#%$%!! OX-5s. The engine broke (with an OX-5 there's only 2 kinds - one that has and one that will), and the airplane didn't survive in one piece from the resulting forced landing (fortunately Larry did), and now no longer exists. It wasn't flown hard - it was flown very easy. The same thing happened to that Jenny I flew in 20 years ago when it was 85% original (the one you see in flight at my website). It's now several bushel baskets of parts. The fact is, if you want to see something that looks like a World War I airplane in the air in coming years, you had best hope it has a modern engine in it, because a few more crashes will have the FAA putting an end to all of it. Those flying now with original engines won't be within 5 years. If you want to see a Mercedes engine in an Albatros, go look at the model on your shelf. And yes, it's nice to hear the old engines, and I am very glad I flew in the Jenny when it was 85% original with the OX-5 in it, but evoking the past with a replica is better than forgetting the past, and it's getting time with WW1 aircraft for the originals to go to museums where they can be cared for *and not flown* so your grandkids can see what they were. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:19:40 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: R. Gentilli's book in English Message-ID: <005301c01d52$fc8e93a0$320106c0@acasirat> I am told that the excellent book "I Reparti dell'Aviazione Italiana nella Grande Guerra", by R. Gentilli and P. Varriale, could be published, in English language, by the British publisher HIKOKI. Agreements are still to be signed, and it would be great if list members could write Hikoki saying they are interested in the book. Unfortunately, I do not have an e-mail address for them , but maybe someoune on the List does? All the best, Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:38:34 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: R. Gentilli's book in English Message-ID: <200009130849.BAA16851@mail.rapidnet.net> Hikoki's website is at http://www.hikokiwarplanes.com perhaps there is an email link there Regards, Bob ---------- >From: "Alberto Casirati" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: R. Gentilli's book in English >Date: Wed, Sep 13, 2000, 12:16 am > > I am told that the excellent book "I Reparti dell'Aviazione Italiana nella > Grande Guerra", by R. Gentilli and P. Varriale, could be published, in > English language, by the British publisher HIKOKI. > > Agreements are still to be signed, and it would be great if list members > could write Hikoki saying they are interested in the book. > > Unfortunately, I do not have an e-mail address for them , but maybe someoune > on the List does? > > All the best, > > Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:41:06 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Almark Message-ID: <39BF3DA1.6E41825C@dial.pipex.com> Matthew Bittner wrote: > Are Almark decals still in production? > > Matt Bittner Don't know - there hasn't been any new ones for a few years. ED Models are the producers of the ones released in the 80s/90s D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:06:10 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: WWI Subject: Morane G and two persons Message-ID: <39BF4382.D1C1ED1@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Hi, I scanned one page from Maquette Morane G model instruction. Some very interesting drawings including details, engine and two pilots siting in cockpit. http://www.bg.am.lodz.pl/witulski/jpg/morane2.gif -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:17:09 +0800 From: David Solosy To: "WW1 List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? Message-ID: <56EBF0EF4A03D4118C6F00902776597F10CD05@s26pss4.pssc.wa.gov.au> Thanks Lance, D, Matt, Mark and Merril and anyone else I've missed. Looks like the concensus is strongly towards the red brown.   David S     ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 04:56:27 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: 1/72 OT ground stuff Message-ID: <200009130956.CAA03394@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:08:25 -0400 (EDT), Carlos Valdes wrote: > I just found the following items which might be of interest listed at > Squadron's site in the Just Arrived section. Rumor has it they plan on releasing a 1/72nd A7V. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:50:45 +0100 From: David Fleming To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 1/72 Dragonfly engine Message-ID: <39BF4DF4.D8669C7A@dial.pipex.com> I fancy trying to turn one of my 1/72 Toko Snipes into a Dragon - Does anyone know of a suitable engine ? TIA Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 05:05:39 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Floh Help Message-ID: <200009131005.DAA10712@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:05:34 -0400 (EDT), Sixmilfigs@cs.com wrote: > I just recently acquired the Classic Planes Floh vac and am interested in > some pics of built up models. I know that someone has posted some images of > Eduard kits, but I cannot find them. > Would someone please be so kind as to point me in the right direction. I > have tried searching the WWI page to no avail, looked through Hyperscale and > Modelling Madness, also with no luck. Any help would be appreciated. Go here: http://internetmodeler.com/feb2000/aviation/floh.htm Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 05:11:55 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: 1/72 Dragonfly engine Message-ID: <200009131011.DAA18359@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:01:05 -0400 (EDT), David Fleming wrote: > I fancy trying to turn one of my 1/72 Toko Snipes into a Dragon - Does > anyone know of a suitable engine ? Although I'm not 100% positive, what about Engines 'n' Things? You may want to check the Roll Models (http://www.rollmodels.com) catalog. Good luck! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:20:22 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Rhinebeck Message-ID: <003901c01d74$9c6fd340$6339183f@cyrixp166> > Have they painted over the horribly bogus Swabians scheme? > And assuming so, what markings does it currently bear? > > Shane > Yes & no. The aircraft still bears the general coloration of 7 Swabes; ie chocolate brown nose, lt. gray fuselage with lozenge wings. The Swabes have been painted out. In their place is a large stylized red devil silouette. The shield / stag horn design on the turtle deck has been left in place. I am not sure that this is an authentic scheme. I never saw 7 Swabians on the ship, only in photos. I have heard the comment made here on list many times that the rendering of 7 Swabians was terrible. I am not sure I have ever heard why it was so terrible. It looked okay to me in the photos, but I admit, I am not sure I have ever seen a photo of the original. Tom, I guess I am not married to original engines in these ships. However, the smell & sound of radials, although appealing, is not the same as the smell and sound of a rotary. When Coughlin gets that 160 LeRhone in the D.VIII wailing, it is a sight & sound & smell not to be forgotten. I guess it boils down to the argument of reproductions vs. replicas. The radial powered Dr.1 is a nice airplane no doubt about it. However, it is not a Dr.1 by any stretch of the imagination. It is a replica built to resemble a Dr.1. It doesn't fly like a Dr.1, or sound like a Dr.1 Consequently it is much less interesting to me than the D.VII or D.VIII or Nieuport 11. And when a replica is as far away from the original design as the Rheinbeck SPAD 7 is, I could stay home and watch the aircraft take off & land at the Nashua airport. I am much less inclined to take a 5 hour trip to look at it no matter how good the cosmetics. My $0.02 Worth, John Cyg. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2635 **********************