WWI Digest 2633 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Lafayette Escadrille books by "dfernet0" 2) RE: Lafayette Escadrille books by "dfernet0" 3) RE: whose Albatros? by "dfernet0" 4) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by Dennis Ugulano 5) RE: whose Albatros? by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 6) Jasta 5 was : whose Albatros? by "Carol & David Solosy" 7) Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? by "Carol & David Solosy" 8) Want List by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 9) Re: Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? by "Lance Krieg" 10) Re: Roland C-II Camouflage Colors by "Mark Shannon" 11) A/G Update by "Matt Bittner" 12) Re: Roland C-II Camouflage Colors by "Matt Bittner" 13) Re:Bubbles in Future & Ceramcoat by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 14) Ceramacoat & Tombow Pens by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 15) Re: Bubbles in Future & Ceramcoat by "Mark Shannon" 16) Re: Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? by MAnde72343@aol.com 17) That Austro-Daimler again by "Alberto Casirati" 18) RE: Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? by "Graham Hunter" 19) RE: moulding by james.d.landon@lmco.com 20) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Austrian Hexagons.... by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 22) Pegasus DH4. by "Len Smith" 23) RE: That Austro-Daimler again by "dfernet0" 24) Re: A shopping spree by Steve Cox 25) RE: Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? by "dfernet0" 26) ot Request by "Graham Nash" 27) How does it stack up against the Airfix kit/was: Pegasus DH4. by "Michael Kendix" 28) Re: ot Request by Lee Mensinger 29) Dr.1 Decals by NodalPoint@aol.com 30) Re: Dr.1 Decals by "Dale Beamish" 31) Old Rhinebeck "Picture Packs" by "Brad & Merville" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:07:12 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <006f01c01ca1$38b9ffc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Robert the K wrote: > Also needs big full color action paintings by....well....at least someone > (plus I've already done a batch of Lafayette profiles for a museum.....) > RK I truly endorse that! During my visit to the hobby shop I was glas to see a "double kit box" by Glencoe, featuring Chas. Lindberg "Spirit of Saint Louis" and the Wright Flyer, the latter beatifully painted on the box art by no other than our own Robert Karr! I felt compelled to buy these kits, but the strange scale of them (1:105), the small size of Robert painting and the few bucks I still had in my pocket (I previously took "Mistery Men" from the video shop) made me walk away from the aisle. Such a pity! Is that painting of the Wright's plane on the website, Robert? I'd love to see it with more detail! D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:15:45 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <007d01c01ca2$6a905f20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Calhoun" > Anyone know of any books on the Lafayette escadrille that have lots of > photos of the aircraft? I have Lafayette Escadrille by Mason, which has a > few aircraft photos, mostly the pilots, & New England aviators 1914-1918 > vol. 1 which has biographies of a couple of pilots, but only portraits of > them, no aircraft. One of the tomes of New England Aviators have a portrait of Bill Bacon's father, I don't remember if in Vol.1 or in Vol. 2. I asked him if he knew the markings of his father's planes, but he didn't had pictures. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:56:54 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: whose Albatros? Message-ID: <011101c01ca8$2a3e8e00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Shane: > > Take a look at those famous lineup shots of J 5, and refer to > > the excellent pamphlet that Americal provides with their decal sheet. > > ...or wait for the Windsock Special Thanks for the info. I didn't knew about the Jasta 5 special (what I was thinking of?) Anyway, if green tail was a Jasta 35b or a Jasta 5 machine there will be a time until I start a new Albatros model. I'm quite burnt off of doing the D.II and I'll change the pace for a while. And I still have to finish that Taube... Did you met the Jenkins? Give them regards from me. Bye! D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:13:24 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <200009120813_MC2-B2F8-7D35@compuserve.com> Dave, >> Also parsons did a book called I Flew with the Lafayette escadrille or > something like that. has anyone seen this? Good photos or not? I may be > able to track this down for a reasonable price at used bookstores, but don't > know if it is worth the price (as a reference book). << I have this book and its light in the photo department. It is a good reference for history. It was published in 1957 and 1963 by E. C. Seale & Company, Indianapolis, Ind. Original title was THE GREAT ADVENTURE. The photos are in a strange brownish tint and shows a lot of pilots standing in front or along side of their planes. Are you looking for something in particular? It may be there. I haven't read it in years. Probably should re-read it. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 8/21/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:12:23 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: whose Albatros? Message-ID: Shane wrote: > and it'll be > nice to know more about the Jastas D.VII's too Oh yes!!! Especially Rumey's D.VII. Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:37:15 +0800 From: "Carol & David Solosy" To: "WW1 list" Subject: Jasta 5 was : whose Albatros? Message-ID: Thanks Dave Z for the news about Americal Gryphon guy hesitating on the Jasta 5 colour schemes because of new info coming out. I have to agree with Shane's educated guess about who'll be authoring the upcoming Windsock Jasta 5 special. Anyway, I've just got off the phone after telling a friend of mine the news. He fell silent for a couple of seconds and then said: "Bugger! I've just finished my *fifth* Albatros in Jasta 5 markings!" He did say he had been wondering about the grey fuselage finish which seemed peculiar to Jasta 5. David S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:51:37 +0800 From: "Carol & David Solosy" To: "WW1 list" Subject: Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? Message-ID: G'day all I am staring at the Eduard Roland C.II. The undersurface light blue/grey has been aplied and now I want to tackle the two colour camouflage so typical of many Rolands. As usual I did my research and am now left doubting the accuracy of the Eduard scheme as depicted on the box art and in the instructions. I am beginning to think the scheme should be dark green and red brown not dark green and lilac (aka purple, mauve - call it what you will) I'm seeking your opinions. Datafile 49 on the Roland, on page 32 says: "In April 1917 Idflieg degreed (sic) that purple and/or lilac should replace the red/brown and since many Rolands served up to June that year, some *may* (my emphasis) have worn the new colours". The third profile on the back cover of this DF, which the Eduard scheme seems to be based on is certainly depicted in lilac, but the caption inside the DF desdcribes it as green and red brown. What's more, that same profile and the photo on which it is sourced, is purportedly a 1916 Roland. If this is the case then it definitely can not be lilac. Further food for thought comes from Tom Wictor writing his review of the BM Roland in WS v14 n4 July/Aug 1998 when he writes: "...according to Peter M Grosz it's more likely that the brown was the darker and more prevalent colour, as seen in period photos." Ergo, the lighter colour would have been green - not lilac. I know that one cannot be definitive about WW1 colours, but sometimes the evidence needs to be weighed up so we can draw better conclusions. Any opinions on this please chaps and chapesses. David S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:07:25 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Want List Message-ID: <85256958.004DEAF6.00@hysoft-gateway1.hyperion.com> Hi All, 1-Does anyone happen to have a mint Koster Aero Hanover CL-IIIa they want to part with? Buy or Trade. 2-I have purchased a few Americal Gryphon sheets for the various squadrons and, wow!! talk about having enough markings to choose from!!!! I know I'll build some, but definitely not all. Perhaps their are others in the same boat who may want to sell or trade some of the "excess" markings that you probably won't use. Let me know. I am looking for some of the 1/72 scale 56 Squadron as well as 1/48. Email me off-list if you have any you want to sell or trade for. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:17:45 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? Message-ID: David seeks: "Any opinions on this please chaps and chapesses." I'm of the brown persuasion, for all the reasons you mentioned. And even after lilac came into general use, it seems unlikely to me that anyone would repaint a service plane near the end of it's useful life. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:23:35 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Roland C-II Camouflage Colors Message-ID: David wrote: >I'm seeking your opinions. Datafile 49 on the Roland, on page 32 says: >"In April 1917 Idflieg degreed (sic) that purple and/or lilac should replace >the red/brown and since many Rolands served up to June that year, >some *may* (my emphasis) have worn the new colours". and then gave other portions of the argument against the Eduard kit aircraft having lilac. These arguments are valid. The lilac on this bird has been discussed briefly before and no concensus reached. The timing of its photography would almost certainly say it could not be lilac except for a couple of points: 1. is the camouflage necessarily factory? Local painters, local paint mixes, and lilac seems to be a possible result of mixing the red-brown with the underside turquoise. Also, the descision to change from the red-brown was prompted, in part, by reports that it's use on wooden fuselages tended to give a non-camouflaged effect -- in fact giving what some described as a markings red effect in the air. (from an Ian Huntley article). I can guess, and that is all it is, that the two-seater squadrons finding this out would be among the first to experiment with ways to tone it down. 2. Another angle on this, just for argument sake, is the possibility that the IdFlieg decree just made official a practice that was already in usage and spread the word. This is the case in many other markings and camouflage orders in several countries through the 20th century. The most notable are ot Second Unpleasantness cases like the introduction of gray finishes on German fighters during the Battle of Britain, for which the official descriptions were not issued until early 1941, the earlier repainting of black green with RLM grau 02, and several items in U.S. ship camouflage such as the introduction of Navy Blue 5-N to replace Sea Blue 5-S, and modified Measure 12. All of this is speculative in any case. Certainly it would be safe to say that the finish was Red-Brown/Dark Brunswick Green based on the date of the photographic records and the IdFlieg decree, but if you like the lilac/green combination, who is to say you are wrong, given the above? For that matter, since we now have rediscovered that the Albatros D.III scheme was three-color, who is to say that the photos don't record some type of three-color, or even two greens? It is the type of thing that is either fun or maddening, depending on your personality. I like to prefer fun -- with historical backup. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:25:41 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: A/G Update Message-ID: <200009121426.HAA00738@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> No sooner than I finally upload the A/G catalog, Dr. Merrill sends an update. :-) He just released another sheet for the A-H "navy". http://home.sprintmail.com/~tbittners/AG/ Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:28:41 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Roland C-II Camouflage Colors Message-ID: <200009121429.HAA08759@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Another item to keep in mind, is that Roland D.II's - which I think came out *after* the C.II - were green and red-brown. Good thing this isn't a discussion about cowls. This one has relevance! ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:39:08 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re:Bubbles in Future & Ceramcoat Message-ID: <85256958.0050D219.00@hysoft-gateway1.hyperion.com> Hi All, I too had a few problems brushing Future, but found that if it is brushed in thin coats over painted or primed plastic, it seems to work fine. I did experience some "puddling" over decals with brushing, but not airbrushing. I have recently purchased an air pressure regulator(Home Depot, $19) for my compressor and found that 25-27psi seems to work well for me with my Paasche VL. I am using the #3 tip & needle. I haven't tried it with the #1 tip and needle yet. Thinning with Windex also worked. I am going to try straight ammonia(whew!!!!!) next. It looks like approx 80-20 Ceramcoat to Future seems to allow for good hand brushing. The plastic definitely needs to be primed. Thinned flat varnish(Cermacoat) doesn't seem to obscure surface detail as much as a primer paint would and it adheres very well, after thorough cleaning of the bare plastic. Ceramcoat is definitely thicker than enamels or lacquers, hence the concern regarding the primer. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:01:31 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ceramacoat & Tombow Pens Message-ID: Checked in a the local store in the Pearl Art and Craft chain (US chain). They carry the Ceramacoat line (in the craft paint - not the art paint section) But they do not carry Tombow Blending Pens. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:03:55 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Bubbles in Future & Ceramcoat Message-ID: John Impenna wrote, in part: >Thinning with Windex also worked. I am going to try straight ammonia(whew!!!!!) next. I would not, even with good exhaust ventilation. I base this on two things: 1. It is not necessary to use this much ammonia to thin the Future, dilluting household ammonia (4%) to about 1 part ammonia in three of distilled water is about as strong as I would go. 2. Ammonia is a gas, actually, that has been dissolved in water for the household ammonia solution. As you spray, a substantial amount of the ammonia will boil off right away. Without adequate exhaust ventilation, this is in the atmosphere where you and your loved ones are breathing. Even with mask and hood, you have to be sure that the mask cartridges are effective for removing ammonia and that the hood exhaust does not go into a sensitive area where it would damage paint on the house or plants, or electrical equipment and insulation. Ammonia destroys plexiglass, as well. (which is acryllic polymer, just like the paints.) Windex will do fine as a thinner for these paints, or you should dillute the household ammonia down to about the same strength as Windex if you don't want the surfactants (detergents) Windex uses in your paint. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:18:59 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? Message-ID: <6f.a5661a4.26efa363@aol.com> Red Brown and Dark Green for 1916 and early 1917, purple didn't start showing up till the spring of 17. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:28:57 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: That Austro-Daimler again Message-ID: <00fb01c01cce$2b91f3c0$320106c0@acasirat> Hello all ! Thanks to the assistance from several enthusiasts, I have been able to estabilish that the A-D engine currently in the possession of the Museo Storico della Città di Bergamo (serialled 23061) is NOT from Albatros - Oeffag 253-31, nor from 253 - 46. It seems most reasonable to assume that the engine powered at least one of the following aircraft: - 253 - 01 - 253 - 16 - 253 - 17 - 253 - 18 - 253 - 19 Anyone being able to provide info about the above listed aircraft ? In particular, I am looking for data and/or pictures of 253 - 17. Thanks in advance to all those who will take the trouble to check and help. Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:29:00 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? Message-ID: <000201c01cce$2da4f540$fa0101c0@grahamh> <> Unless you are W. Barker. His Camel 6313 was "reskinned" a few times while he served on the Italian front. And when he wasn't given command of 66 (or 28) squadron and transferred to 28 (or 66)he painted the cowling and panels of 6313 black. Regards, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:54:58 -0600 From: james.d.landon@lmco.com To: IT13.NEIL@MEMO.VOLVO.SE Cc: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: moulding Message-ID: <<...do you think I should post the moulding article to the list, nobody seemed very interested in the one about painting.>> I'm not currently subscribed, so I didn't see the painting one you published to the list. On what date did you post it, so I can go look for it in the list archives? Whenever I post anything, "the silence is deafening" as the saying goes. But I've been told that just because nobody says anything, it doesn't mean nobody read it. Some people might have even valued your article so much that they saved it or printed it for future reference, but did not say anything. One time when I asked for reference material on Marlin machine guns, almost nobody responded (I think one person suggested I go buy some book on armament). I later posted my request a second time and very bluntly teased the list for not helping me -- it worked -- I got plenty of drawings and photos from more than one person. So just post a blunt message that says "Hey did any of you turkeys see the article I posted about insignia painting? I worked very hard to translate it from Swedish for you. The silence was deafening. What did you think of it?" We are all so buried in email and web sites and memos that we cannot properly deal with all of it. As Dilbert said: "Information is gushing into my brain like a fire hose aimed at a teacup." That's why I never re-subscribed to the list when the list computer accidentally dropped me. But I like to visit the "What's new here" feature on the list web site and look at the new photos -- that's how I connected with you. But sometimes even though I admire someone's model very much, and I intended to write to them, I fail to. It doesn't mean that I didn't admire their model (I may have even copied the jpeg's to my hard drive) ... but I just didn't manage to write to them. So just post a blunt message. Oh, never mind, I just did! Jim -----Original Message----- From: NEIL CRAWFORD [mailto:IT13.NEIL@MEMO.VOLVO.SE] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:05 AM To: james.d.landon@lmco.com Subject: RE: moulding --- Received from IT13.NEIL 031-666431 00-09-12 17:05 -> james.d.landon(a)lmco.com About "moulding", I don't know if it's queens english or wrong, I'll ask my Dad some time. Incidentally, do you think I should post the moulding article to the list, nobody seemed very interested in the one about painting. Br. Neil From: james.d.landon@lmco.com To: IT13.NEIL@MEMO.VOLVO.SE Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:52:33 -0600 Subject: RE: moulding Hi Neil, <> True. But to quote a famous (infamous?) president of the US, it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is. You are correct that I am not *ALWAYS* lazy. If it is something I really *WANT* to do, like building the Salmson, I somehow find a surprising amount of energy and patience. If it's something I *HAVE* to do, and don't really want to, like going shopping with my wife, or doing my income tax return, or delaying progress on the Salmson while I learn how to do molding, then I am a lazy bum. For example, last night I found the patience and ambition to add tiny 1/32 inch wide strips of tape around the middle of my turnbuckles to simulate the raised band that you see in the middle of a turnbuckle. But I neglected to do other things that I should have done. <> Thank you very much for pointing that out to me. I was suffering under the delusion that molding equals vacuum forming. I think if you wanted to mold something more complex you might need the vacuum to draw the soft plastic tightly down against the small details of the mold. [I think we spell it "molding" over here] <> I was not even aware that there were Reno Air races this week until I read in our newspaper that a fellow who took off from Centennial Airport near here, en route to the Reno Air races, had to land on a city street when his engine quit. The newspaper said he "blew a cylinder". It was a wide boulevard with little traffic and he avoided hitting any cars or trucks. Police controlled traffic while he repaired his engine and took off again. It was not far from our house but I didn't know about it until I read the newspaper the next day. Talk to you later. - Jim -----Original Message----- From: NEIL CRAWFORD [mailto:IT13.NEIL@MEMO.VOLVO.SE] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:23 AM To: james.d.landon@lmco.com Subject: RE: moulding --- Received from IT13.NEIL 031-666431 00-09-12 08:23 -> james.d.landon(a)lmco.com You don't seem lazy when I look at your Salmson! Actually you can do moulding a lot easier than in the books. For one, you don't need to do vacuum moulding, that's only really necessary if you're going into mass-production. And for two, you could make the form out of balsa, my spruce form was an overkill. I'll be in touch, I'm busy following the Reno Air races this week. BR. Neil From: james.d.landon@lmco.com To: IT13.NEIL@MEMO.VOLVO.SE Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:37:12 -0600 Subject: RE: moulding Hi Neil, <> I am glad that the engine cowl on the Salmson is mostly just a cylinder. The only part that is a problem is the very front. If my bottle neck idea doesn't work out, I will keep your method in mind. <> I have read articles in books similar to the procedure you described. It always sounded like too much work. I'm lazy. Or maybe not so much lazy as just afraid to try new things. Eventually I should move into vaccuum forming. And I need to buy a profile gauge and an airbrush. I am like an infant/baby/apprentice/beginner in this hobby. Talk to you again later, Jim -----Original Message----- From: NEIL CRAWFORD [mailto:IT13.NEIL@MEMO.VOLVO.SE] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 6:45 AM To: james.d.landon@lmco.com Subject: moulding --- Received from IT13.NEIL 031-666431 00-09-11 14:45 -> james.d.landon(a)lmco.com I once made the cowling for a 1/48 Ö1 Tummelisa swedish trainer by using a 1/72 Sunderland cowling as a form. I made a hole in a piece of plywood slightly bigger than the form, in fact the correct outer diameter, then I heated some plasticard over a oven plate till it was floppy, put it over the hole and pressed the male form through. It worked quite well, but there was some creasing, and some thin places, You should always do a few extra shots for reserves, so I just grafted the best ones together. That was my idea for your Salmson cowling, I guess you could probably find a toy-wheel or something with the right size, but I think your bottle-neck idea is better. The fuselage for the Spad was more complicated, but the actual moulding was done in exactly the same way. The problem here was getting the right shape on the form. I made the mistake of using spruce, balsa would probably have worked equally well, and been much easier to carve, bassword is ideal I've heard. I cut two pieces to a rough shape, and glued them together with a cut-out copy of the side fuselage sandwiched between them. Then I started sanding. My idea was that when I started to reach the paper copy, then I was finished. I should have quartered the form, because then I would have been able to check the top-profile in the same way. Instead I just constantly checked against my drawings, I used a "profile guage", I think its called that, a sort of comb which takes on the shape of a form it's pressed against. I also used a flexible ruler, which I had left over from my mechanical engineering studies. I was planning to split the form and mount it before moulding, but in the end I just used it as it was. Stuck through floppy plastic clamped over a plywood hole. I did this in '92, then I glued together some of the best rejects in '98 for my next Spad. I reckon on using this form again for a series of SPAD 20's and even some of the other interwar Spad's. BR. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:15:32 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <48.ac23e6f.26efb0a4@aol.com> In a message dated 9/12/00 3:11:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << "double kit box" by Glencoe, featuring Chas. Lindberg "Spirit of Saint Louis" and the Wright Flyer, the latter beatifully painted on the box art by no other than our own Robert Karr! I felt compelled to buy these kits, but the strange scale of them (1:105), the small size of Robert painting and the few bucks I still had in my pocket (I previously took "Mistery Men" from the video shop) made me walk away from the aisle. Such a pity! Is that painting of the Wright's plane on the website, Robert? I'd love to see it with more detail! D. >> VVery strange old kits.I can't remember where the molds originated. Glencoe picked them up for marketing mainly to small kids, in an attempt to get them hooked on models. They make into pretty crude models, but at least a 6 year old could glue together and know that he or she had done something! I can't remember if the painting is on my site or not! RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:47:57 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Austrian Hexagons.... Message-ID: <85256958.005C9D28.00@hysoft-gateway1.hyperion.com> Hi All, Can anyone tell me which Americal sheet has the hex camo for the Aviatik D-I fown by Linke-Crawford? I want this for the 1/48th Eduard kit. TIA for the info. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:37:56 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Pegasus DH4. Message-ID: <000201c01cdb$efe12860$a55c08c3@mesh> Greetings, Just arrived today the latest offering fom Pegasus, the Airco DH4. Well up to their usual standard, most plastic parts will only require the minimal flash cleaned off, the fuselage, which includes the R.A.F. 3a nose, is particularly clean and thin walled and only the most fastidious will do a little Dremel-ing around the cockpit openings. Care will be needed if chaging to either of the alternative noses (Rolls Royce Eagle or Liberty 12) as there is no cutting guide. White metal parts comprise undercarriage legs, pilots seat (super!), 4 bladed prop (2 blade prop in plastic), Scarff ring, Lewis and Vickers guns, exhaust manifolds, under wing skids and 2 of the tiniest air driven pumps that I have ever seen, incredible! Markings for A7712 of 18 Sqdn R.F.C. and for the initial roll out airframe for the U.S. Just two slight quibbles, my usual moan that it is not a vacform and the fact that this is the same variant as the old Airfix kit, with the flat decking aft of the observers cockpit. Perhaps Chris feels that it is easier to build up the rear decking if wanted rather than major surgery if it is not required. It looks as though it might be possble to use the Roseplane rear gunnery cockpit from the Curtiss JN4H conversion kit if you require the raised Scarff ring variant. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:16:21 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: That Austro-Daimler again Message-ID: <009b01c01cdd$2c338d20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Caro Alberto: > In particular, I am looking for data and/or pictures of 253 - 17. I'm not sure, but the number rings a bell. I seem to recall an article on Italian aces of WW1 in "Aviation History" magazine where an damaged austrian bird without wings nor undercarriage was examined by italian pilots. I'll check. > Thanks in advance to all those who will take the trouble to check and help. No problem. It's a good excuse to dive into my library! :-) Speaking of wich, I need to ellaborate some form of database for my library. It's a chaos and never seem to find what I need in due time. regards D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:27:42 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: A shopping spree Message-ID: Diego, I built the Anatra a coupe of years ago. I would say it's 1/66th scale, but the proportions seem OK against the drawing in the Harleyford 'Bombers & Recce aircraft" . I scratchbuilt some wire wheels for it from monofilament line. Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "dfernet0" > I've read that Emhar's kit was originated several years ago for a russian > outfit, I'd like any of the listmembers comments about its accuracy. The kit > seems fairly large for a 1/72 model, even a two seater. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:28:15 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Roland C.II - Is the lilac wrong? Message-ID: <00cf01c01cde$d6182d40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> David: > Any opinions on this please chaps and chapesses. I'd go with red-brown also. Besides it looks better than lilac-green (a lousy combination that I always despised) I'd even paint the roland in three colour camo before using lilac. Of course, it's just a matter of taste.... D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:47:35 +0100 From: "Graham Nash" To: Subject: ot Request Message-ID: Does anyone have a good colour rendition/artwork of the other unpleasantness' 'Wespen' Geschwader nose art? A friend of th family wants to have some artwork painted onto his receently acquired motorcycle. Apologies for taking up band-width. Please reply off-list. Thanks Uncle Sniffy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:51:41 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: How does it stack up against the Airfix kit/was: Pegasus DH4. Message-ID: Len Smith kindly offered a review of the latest Pegasus kit. >Just arrived today the latest offering fom Pegasus, the Airco DH4. I would like to know the main problems with the Airfix kit. I recall people mentioning that it, along with the Airfix Sopwith Pup, were two fairly decent kits. Admittedly, there are some things that are required to improve the Airfix kit; e.g. cockpit interior, replacing aileron control horns, sanding the flash circles, filling in those "helpful" cross beam troughs for the struts, and so on. However, what about general shape and dimensions? How does the Airfix kit measure up, especially as it costs about one fourth of the price? I must confess I've never built as Pegasus kit since I'm always put off by their thickness. I do, however, own quite a few of them. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:12:07 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot Request Message-ID: <39BE8007.A14D27AE@x25.net> There is a 1/48th decal from someone out there. Maybe Aero Master. Call your local Hobby Shops. Lee M Graham Nash wrote: > Does anyone have a good colour rendition/artwork of the other > unpleasantness' 'Wespen' Geschwader nose art? > > A friend of th family wants to have some artwork painted onto his receently > acquired motorcycle. > > Apologies for taking up band-width. > > Please reply off-list. > > Thanks > > Uncle Sniffy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:54:25 EDT From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Dr.1 Decals Message-ID: <43.a24cd4f.26efe3f1@aol.com> Anyone know where I can get some decals in 1/28? I built Hobby Craft's Dr.1 and painted it ala M. Richthofen's 152/17. The kit didn't come with Patee crosses, only the Balkankreuz (which seemed too big anyway). Thanks, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:04:32 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: Dr.1 Decals Message-ID: <001d01c01cf4$ad041de0$302eb8a1@darcy> I believe Eric at Copper State has them. This link will take you right there! Check out the detail parts as well. There are some nice ones! http://www.amug.org/~copperst/details_28.html Dale > Anyone know where I can get some decals in 1/28? > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:31:54 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Old Rhinebeck "Picture Packs" Message-ID: <005101c01cf8$8096af80$8e885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> I just received the latest newsletter from Old Rhinebeck and noticed an item that might be of some interest to the list. It states... ...'we have "developed" a series of picture packs of some of the aircraft in the collection and will introduce more as time goes on. Each Picture Pack includes twenty 4"X6" color (sic) photographs of the subject aircraft including front, side,rear and all quarter views. A variety of close up pictures including strut and cable fittings, landing gear details, hinging, tail surfaces, cockpit details, and more are included to meet the needs of most modelers and early aviation enthusiasts. The prints are provided in an attractive and compact photo album. When available, paint descriptions and sources of additional documentation are provided. Presently the Fokker Dr.I Triplane, Sopwith Camel, Nieuport 11 and Albatros DVa are available. Others will follow shortly, including the Fokker DVII, Bleriot and others. More Picture Packs will be released in coming months. Price per Picture Pack is $20 + $4 shipping and handling. Please include applicable sales tax. All shipping rates are for deliveries in continental U.S. Contact the Aerodrome for rates to other areas. Visa, Mastercard, and Discover credit cards are accepted'. I cannot vouch for the quality or usefulness of these as I have not seen them. I seems like a good idea though, especially as there seems to be more attention to accuracy being paid to the newer restorations. Also of note in the news letter was their acquisition of the SE5a from the U.S.S. Intrepid Museum, the restoration of the Jenny to represent a U.S.N. machine (which is apparently more accurate for a Hisso Jenny than the previous army scheme), and the flight of their 'Guynemer' SPAD VII. There is a gift shop connection at www@oldrhinebeck.org Brad Please note I am not in any way connected financially to this organization, just a satisfied customer of many years who wishes them continued success. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2633 **********************