WWI Digest 2632 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: whose Albatros? by Zulis@aol.com 2) Re: A shopping spree by "Francisca e Pedro Soares" 3) RE: whose Albatros? by Shane Weier 4) Re: Italian air war info by "Bob Pearson" 5) Re: Jenny by "Michael S. Alvarado" 6) Re: Italian aierial threat and "massive" allied support by "Michael S. Alvarado" 7) Re: Italian air war info by "Michael S. Alvarado" 8) Combat models Hansa Brandenburg by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 9) Off topic help by "Matthew Bittner" 10) Re: Italian aierial threat and "massive" allied support by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 11) Re: Jenny by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 12) Re: A shopping spree by bucky@ptdprolog.net 13) Re: Italian air war info by bucky@ptdprolog.net 14) Re: Off topic help by "Dale Sebring" 15) Re: Combat models Hansa Brandenburg by BStett3770@aol.com 16) Re: A shopping spree by "Limon3" 17) Lafayette Escadrille books by "David Calhoun" 18) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by "Matthew Bittner" 19) Re: Jenny by BEN8800@aol.com 20) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by "Dale Sebring" 21) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by "Brad & Merville" 22) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by "David Calhoun" 23) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by "Bob Pearson" 24) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Re: Lafayette Escadrille books by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: Italian air war info by "Alberto Casirati" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:47:04 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: whose Albatros? Message-ID: <4c.a3600bf.26eeacd8@aol.com> << Take a look at those famous lineup shots of J 5, and refer to > the excellent pamphlet that Americal provides with their decal sheet. ...or wait for the Windsock Special >> This spring, when I bought the Americal decals at Pensacola, the seller seemed almost hesitant to sell the Jasta 5 set and, when I asked about it, he told me in a very conspiratorial tone that there was some big news coming soon about Jasta 5 markings which will change a lot of what we now assume about those planes, and that I might want to hold off building any Jasta 5 planes for a bit. I dont think he was yanking my chain... seems as if something is up. Just thought I should share this hint with you folks, in case somebody is on the verge of doing the complete, known J.5 lineup.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:59:21 +0100 From: "Francisca e Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: A shopping spree Message-ID: <01bf01c01c3c$9bf1bb60$84df41c2@pc1> ? There's any aftermarket sheet describing > colorful Snipes out there? Pedro? Yes...I'm listening Diego.... sorry to be so late in replying but I'm really having a lot of trouble keeping up with The List's mail due to professional reasons :-(. The most colourful snipes I've found are those of Sapozhnikov of which as you know Bob did some gorgeous profiles, that are also included on his absolutely spectacular "Colours and Markings of the World's Air Forces 1912-1920" CD. But IIRC Squadron's Sopwith fighters in action has photos of a very nice silver doped snipe with an indian head on the rudder that would just be the thing for an ALPS stunt. If only I could find the time (and make the shelves) to put my references again in an easily reachable place.... Pedro > Thanks in advance > D. > so many kits... so little money! Wiser words were never said, amigo Um abraço Pedro P.S. When and if you think about doing the Anatra, take a look at the pictures I took of the real thing in Prague, they are o Al's site. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:06:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: whose Albatros? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621A14@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Dave says: > This spring, when I bought the Americal decals at Pensacola, > the seller ...this would have been Dr Merrill > seemed almost hesitant to sell the Jasta 5 set and, when I > asked about it, he > told me in a very conspiratorial tone that there was some big > news coming > soon about Jasta 5 markings which will change a lot of what > we now assume > about those planes, and that I might want to hold off > building any Jasta 5 planes for a bit. > > I dont think he was yanking my chain... seems as if something is up. This is not new news. Windsock first announced an upcoming Jasta 5 special at least a year ago. They haven't announced *who* is writing it, but it takes no great genius to figure out. As an unabashed Jasta 5 fan, I simply cannot wait. Oh to know who the pilot(s) were who flew the Bavarian diamond marked machines - and it'll be nice to know more about the Jastas D.VII's too Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:17:18 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Italian air war info Message-ID: <200009112233.PAA21361@mail.rapidnet.net> Roberto has informed me that he is in talks with an English publisher whom I have since been in talks with about illustrating said volume Bob ---------- >From: Zulis@aol.com > When we met at Pensacola, I got the impression that there were plans for an > English-language version of Roberto G's book. Have you heard anything > about this? The book seems to be of excellent quality, well-illustrated, > and if Roberto's presentation was any indication, I would bet it is > well-researched, too. > > Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:21:25 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: <39BD5AE4.8DE6F9AA@bellatlantic.net> I await it with bated breath. Alvie BEN8800@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/11/00 6:25:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > BigglesRFC@globalserve.net writes: > > << How's the Model Expo Jenny coming along? I'm hoping to be one of your > first customers. > > Brad > >> > I am completing the instruction manual now and that ends my effort except for > reviews. We are awaiting the production of castings which got a set back when > Model Expos caster quit. Then Ken Goldman needs to build a prototype model > for box art. The kit will probably be ready early next year. It's going to be > a winner I think. > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:33:03 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Italian aierial threat and "massive" allied support Message-ID: <39BD5D9E.3AA3D93C@bellatlantic.net> Alberto, I think most American's perceptions of the Italian war effort in World War I are derived from Enest Hemingways "A Farewell to Arms" and Italy's participation in World War II. This does not lead to a very accurate assessment of Italian arms in WWI. Italy with its Caproni bombers was a principal pioneer of strategic bombardment. Unfortuately in a country as industrially undeveloped as was the Austro-Hungarian Empire of the period, the true effect of such pioneering effort goes unnoticed. Not too unlike the US experience in Southeast Asia. In a primarily agrarian (farm) economy, you can only move mud with bombs. Alvie Alberto Casirati wrote: > Thanks to all those who took the trouble to write their comments on both > matters. > > To a certain extent, I firmly believe that the Italian WW1 front history is > still to be adequately popularized, especially in the English language. To > my knowledge, there is no reliable, readily available and adequately cheap > English source of information and this makes things worse, of course. > > However, I believe there is more than that. I think that the Italian > military history of the 20th century is still being "filtered" by the second > world war facts. This is a pity, as the Italian WW1 military effort (and the > related results) was certainly not inferior to the British and French ones. > > Of course, differences between the two fronts (the Italian and the French > ones) were many, so that direct comparisons are at least not very wise. One > fact is certain, however: it was the Italian armed forces which won that > war. Allied help was certainly welcome and hoped fro, as it is natural, but > it was by stopping the A-H offensive of Caporetto and by successfully > defending the Monte Grappa that Italy won the war. > > And the Italian air force contribution to those victories was by no means > insignificant. > > The Italian final offensive could be adequately prepared thanks to the fact > that A-H and German forces on that front also needed to rest and > re-organized. This is usual after a major clash. Thanks to "the boys of the > 99" (19 year-old soldiers who were enlisted to replace the losses suffered > because of the above named bloody battles), Italy had the necessary strength > to win even after those battles of attrition. > > It is very sad to see that even someone as knowledgeable in history as the > authors of the Grosz-Haddow-Shiemer 's book foreword can write such > historical nonsenses. > > Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:43:10 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Italian air war info Message-ID: <39BD5FFE.8EE1A9B@bellatlantic.net> Excellent, I hope this works out for all of us. Alvie Bob Pearson wrote: > Roberto has informed me that he is in talks with an English publisher whom I > have since been in talks with about illustrating said volume > > Bob > > ---------- > >From: Zulis@aol.com > > > When we met at Pensacola, I got the impression that there were plans for an > > English-language version of Roberto G's book. Have you heard anything > > about this? The book seems to be of excellent quality, well-illustrated, > > and if Roberto's presentation was any indication, I would bet it is > > well-researched, too. > > > > Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:54:25 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Combat models Hansa Brandenburg Message-ID: <200009112254.AAA87802@mail-relay.eunet.no> Hei, Saw the ad in FSM, latest issue I have got is October, page #17. If it is a W-29, then I might give it a try, if it is a W-12 I would have to scratch the wings as well - and I could start from the drawings. Have pretty good drawings for the W-33, some signed by Herrn Heinkel, so it should be possible to the interior as it is quite simple. If you gets an opportunity to count the number of wings, please let me know. Eders Knut Erik >Combat Models gives you big chunks of thick vac-formed plastic. As for all >accessories and detail, that's all you. As far as outline, they are usually >pretty good. I have their 1/48 He-177 kit, and am considering getting rid >of it. > > THere is an outfit now that is doing detail for Combat, J. Rutman. >Hopefully he won't die before you get your stuff, as is what happened to me >when I ordered my 177 detail stuff from Marine Air Products. And I got >rooked for 50 bucks and don't feel like doing all of the scratch work to >complete it. > > My advice is that if you need a 1/32 W.29, then figure that you will get >the outside of the airplane. Bring your own interior. > > >DB >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brad & Merville" >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:51 AM >Subject: Re: Combat models Hansa Brandenburg > > >> Knut Brad wrote: >> Does Combat Models have a website? I've searched with no luck so far. >> Where did you see the illustration? >> >Have noticed that Combat Models advertise a Hansa-Brandenburg W.29 in 1/32, >> >but the illustration is without doubt an earlier biplane variant. >> > >> >Someone on the list who have seen this kit and can tell which variant and >> >if it is standard Combat Models "quality"? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:55:17 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Off topic help Message-ID: <200009112254.PAA18635@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> I'm in need of some Hawk 75 references for a build I'm doing. Anybody have some for the French? I have plenty from the Osprey aces book, but am looking for more. TIA! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:58:30 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Italian aierial threat and "massive" allied support Message-ID: In a message dated 9/11/00 5:39:55 PM EST, Alberto writes: << > To a certain extent, I firmly believe that the Italian WW1 front history is > still to be adequately popularized, especially in the English language. To > my knowledge, there is no reliable, readily available and adequately cheap > English source of information and this makes things worse, of course. > >> AFAIK, about as close as it gets to anything even semi-adequate is the chapter on the Iralian war in S.L.A. Marshall's "The First World War." Marshall does virtually nothing with regard to the air war on any front. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:00:31 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: <11.900bda4.26eebe0f@aol.com> In a message dated 9/11/00 5:27:31 PM EST, sm5192@bellatlantic.net writes: << Then Ken Goldman needs to build a prototype model > for box art. The kit will probably be ready early next year. It's going to be > a winner I think. > > Ben >> Since Ken Goldman happens to be my writing partner, it may become interesting watching him divide like an amoeba so he can build the Jenny *and* do the production rewrites on TRINITY. (Tho he's entirely capable of such an act.) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:13:36 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A shopping spree Message-ID: <39BD6720.7AAA4450@ptdprolog.net> dfernet0 wrote: > H > Walking idly I left the hobby shop with two new acquisitions: Emhar's Anatra > Anasal Diego I finished this one a little while ago. It goes together pretty easily. The cowl isn't too bad, a little sanding and some patience. The biggest problem is all the tubing to and from the radiator. The decals stink, imho. Mine shrunk all to hell...wished I had used something else. I think it was Ivan who pointed out some corrections I needed to make to mine on my page. There are a few profiles in the IRAS book. THe wood/cdl looks really nice. I'm at a loss regarding the wheels. I used the ones provided and they look small. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:17:15 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Italian air war info Message-ID: <39BD67FB.5493429A@ptdprolog.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > Roberto has informed me that he is in talks with an English publisher whom I > have since been in talks with about illustrating said volume > May I, for one, add my Wooo Hooooo! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:02:12 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Off topic help Message-ID: <001f01c01c4c$b55c6f40$39b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 5:00 PM Subject: Off topic help > I'm in need of some Hawk 75 references for a build I'm doing. Anybody > have some for the French? I have plenty from the Osprey aces book, but > am looking for more. TIA! > > > Matt Bittner > > Hi Matt, I have vol. 4 Profile issue, and it has the Curtiss Hawk 75. Would this be of any help? Dale S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:20:27 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Combat models Hansa Brandenburg Message-ID: <41.b51dd8.26eed0cb@aol.com> In a message dated 09/11/2000 6:57:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no writes: << If it is a W-29, then I might give it a try >> It is a W-29 , I saw the test shots. Very Basic, but the shape looks good. Combat showed me the unscribed male shot. I understand that the finished kit will be a female shot. Still it will be basic. Combat has approached us to do a detail (engine, M/Gs, Interior) set in resin for it. Will look into it. After we finish our current projects Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:12:29 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: A shopping spree Message-ID: <009601c01c56$85d3f680$bebf113f@f4w2s5> ¡Hola, Diego! ¿Qué tal compadre? According to info in the OTF Vol. 4 from 1989, the likely victims of McCudden that day were Uffz. Justus Kaiser and Uffz. von Stein of Jasta 35b, since the place where they were shot down more closely matches his claims for that day. HTH Gabe -----Original Message----- From: Diego Fernetti To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 6:46 AM Subject: Re: A shopping spree >Dennis: >Thanks! Yes, the fuselage build layout is uncommon, but I like the >possibilities for ease of cockpit detailing and thinning the fuse walls. >The tailplane is already attached to the fuselage upper piece, wich saves >the work of filling that portion of thew model, and the seams at the angles >are a nice feature too. The wheels, on the other side, are horrid. Well, >I'll replace them from the spare parts box. The cowl would have been better >to come in one piece.... >I understand that the fuselage of this plane were made of plywood, so It'll >be nice to paint it in natural wood rather than the CDL colour of the >specimen at the Prague Museum. Well, I'll seek for this whenever I'll tackle >this kit in the future. >Thanks Dennis, someday I'll build the beast and I hope to get it as good as >yours. > >D. > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:07:31 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <009901c01c77$5c6ce420$a9d33ccc@oemcomputer> Hi all, Anyone know of any books on the Lafayette escadrille that have lots of photos of the aircraft? I have Lafayette Escadrille by Mason, which has a few aircraft photos, mostly the pilots, & New England aviators 1914-1918 vol. 1 which has biographies of a couple of pilots, but only portraits of them, no aircraft. I heard that Dennis Gordon did a book on pilots biographies, but does it have a lot of good aircraft photos? And where is it available? Also he just did a book on Lafayette Flying corps for Schiffer. Has anyone seen this book? Is it worth the $59.99 cover price? Any color profiles in this one? (Schiffer usually doesn't have any). Also parsons did a book called I Flew with the Lafayette escadrille or something like that. has anyone seen this? Good photos or not? I may be able to track this down for a reasonable price at used bookstores, but don't know if it is worth the price (as a reference book). Thanks, Dave Calhoun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:14:14 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <200009120213.TAA08448@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:08:19 -0400 (EDT), David Calhoun wrote: > Anyone know of any books on the Lafayette escadrille that have lots of > photos of the aircraft? I have Lafayette Escadrille by Mason, which has a > few aircraft photos, mostly the pilots, & New England aviators 1914-1918 > vol. 1 which has biographies of a couple of pilots, but only portraits of > them, no aircraft. Nope, no of none of 'em. > I heard that Dennis Gordon did a book on pilots biographies, but does it > have a lot of good aircraft photos? And where is it available? Excellent book. It's from The Doughboy Historical Society, PO Box 3912, Missoula, MT, 59806. It originally came out in 1991, so it may still be available. > Also he just did a book on Lafayette Flying corps for Schiffer. Has anyone > seen this book? Is it worth the $59.99 cover price? Any color profiles in > this one? (Schiffer usually doesn't have any). New one I haven't heard of. If anyone else knows of this book, I'm interested. > Also parsons did a book called I Flew with the Lafayette escadrille or > something like that. has anyone seen this? Good photos or not? I may be > able to track this down for a reasonable price at used bookstores, but don't > know if it is worth the price (as a reference book). Not sure about this one, I have yet to pick it up, plus the Masson book. Two others I own: _The Story of the Lafayette Ecadrille_ by Thenault - not many pictures, but a good history. The other is _The Vivid Air_. This - along with the Biography book - is essential to the study of the LE. In addition, try to track down C&C(US) Vol 2 No 1 - excellent photo's, well worth tracking down. Anything else you would like to know? If building the Toko kit as Johnson's, there are a bunch of errors with it, so be aware... :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:14:20 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: <2d.c5a05a.26eeeb7c@aol.com> In a message dated 9/11/00 7:02:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TomTheAeronut@aol.com writes: << Since Ken Goldman happens to be my writing partner, it may become interesting watching him divide like an amoeba so he can build the Jenny *and* do the production rewrites on TRINITY. (Tho he's entirely capable of such an act.) Tom Cleaver >> Ken just got back from Florida doing the Nieuport instructions for Model Expo that I talked him into doing, so I guess he IS a whiz. He is working on some sculptures right now I understand. I guess some of us just don't know how to sleep, including you as all reports indicate. This writing thing sounds like fun but I bet it is a beast at times. Tell me more about TRINITY. Ken mentioned it but I really don't know what its about. Would be interesting. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:30:10 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <000f01c01c61$6098b580$99a58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Calhoun" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:08 PM Subject: Lafayette Escadrille books > Hi all, > Anyone know of any books on the Lafayette escadrille that have lots of > photos of the aircraft? I have Lafayette Escadrille by Mason, which has a > few aircraft photos, mostly the pilots, & New England aviators 1914-1918 > vol. 1 which has biographies of a couple of pilots, but only portraits of > them, no aircraft. > I heard that Dennis Gordon did a book on pilots biographies, but does it > have a lot of good aircraft photos? And where is it available? > Also he just did a book on Lafayette Flying corps for Schiffer. Has anyone > seen this book? Is it worth the $59.99 cover price? Any color profiles in > this one? (Schiffer usually doesn't have any). > Also parsons did a book called I Flew with the Lafayette escadrille or > something like that. has anyone seen this? Good photos or not? I may be > able to track this down for a reasonable price at used bookstores, but don't > know if it is worth the price (as a reference book). Hi Dave, I have found Edwin Parsons' book at our local library and it has pictures I have not seen before. It has a nice photo of Johnsons Nie. 16 I believe. Also, if my memory holds, there are good shots of Bill Thaws Spad and many others of the Lafayette Esc. You may find it on inter-library loan, if not let me know I will check it out and copy what you need. Good luck, Dale S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:12:14 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <008a01c01c67$5e31b8e0$54895ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> I just got the new Schiffer book. It is a greatly expanded edition of Gordon's earlier 'Biographies'. Where the first book contained bio's on about 44 members the new book covers 269 men including a photo of most. There are fewer pictures of aircraft than the first book, no artwork, no profiles, no colour. This is strictly a people book. 499 pages of which 29 deal with the history of the unit the rest is individual biography. It is more or less the same format as 'New England Aviators 1914-1918'. It's a very impressive and definitive work and I feel it's worth the $94.95 Cdn I paid for it, but I can't help thinking what a truly spectacular book it could be if it included a chapter on the machines featuring colour profiles by Bob Pearson! Brad -----Original Message----- From: David Calhoun To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:16 PM Subject: Lafayette Escadrille books >Hi all, >Anyone know of any books on the Lafayette escadrille that have lots of >photos of the aircraft? I have Lafayette Escadrille by Mason, which has a >few aircraft photos, mostly the pilots, & New England aviators 1914-1918 >vol. 1 which has biographies of a couple of pilots, but only portraits of >them, no aircraft. >I heard that Dennis Gordon did a book on pilots biographies, but does it >have a lot of good aircraft photos? And where is it available? >Also he just did a book on Lafayette Flying corps for Schiffer. Has anyone >seen this book? Is it worth the $59.99 cover price? Any color profiles in >this one? (Schiffer usually doesn't have any). >Also parsons did a book called I Flew with the Lafayette escadrille or >something like that. has anyone seen this? Good photos or not? I may be >able to track this down for a reasonable price at used bookstores, but don't >know if it is worth the price (as a reference book). >Thanks, >Dave Calhoun > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:17:30 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <000c01c01c81$23071700$482f3ccc@oemcomputer> Just looking for photos of 6 Nieuport 11's in original Escadrille Americaine lineup - I have read somewhere that 3 of these were clear doped linen, including Victor Chapman's, and 3 were camouflaged. I have never seen a photo of a cdl (or yellow) N.11 said to be from N.124. Can this be confirmed by a photo somewhere? Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books >On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:08:19 -0400 (EDT), David Calhoun wrote: > >> Anyone know of any books on the Lafayette escadrille that have lots of >> photos of the aircraft? I have Lafayette Escadrille by Mason, which has a >> few aircraft photos, mostly the pilots, & New England aviators 1914-1918 >> vol. 1 which has biographies of a couple of pilots, but only portraits of >> them, no aircraft. > >Nope, no of none of 'em. > >> I heard that Dennis Gordon did a book on pilots biographies, but does it >> have a lot of good aircraft photos? And where is it available? > >Excellent book. It's from The Doughboy Historical Society, PO Box >3912, Missoula, MT, 59806. It originally came out in 1991, so it may >still be available. > >> Also he just did a book on Lafayette Flying corps for Schiffer. Has anyone >> seen this book? Is it worth the $59.99 cover price? Any color profiles in >> this one? (Schiffer usually doesn't have any). > >New one I haven't heard of. If anyone else knows of this book, I'm >interested. > >> Also parsons did a book called I Flew with the Lafayette escadrille or >> something like that. has anyone seen this? Good photos or not? I may be >> able to track this down for a reasonable price at used bookstores, but don't >> know if it is worth the price (as a reference book). > >Not sure about this one, I have yet to pick it up, plus the Masson >book. Two others I own: _The Story of the Lafayette Ecadrille_ by >Thenault - not many pictures, but a good history. The other is _The >Vivid Air_. This - along with the Biography book - is essential to the >study of the LE. > >In addition, try to track down C&C(US) Vol 2 No 1 - excellent photo's, >well worth tracking down. > >Anything else you would like to know? If building the Toko kit as >Johnson's, there are a bunch of errors with it, so be aware... :-) > > >Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:19:16 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <200009120332.UAA30878@mail.rapidnet.net> Guess the list will just have to finance an addenda to the book with lots of colour :-) Bob ---------- >From: "Brad & Merville" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books >Date: Mon, Sep 11, 2000, 8:17 pm > > I just got the new Schiffer book. It is a greatly expanded edition of > Gordon's earlier 'Biographies'. Where the first book contained bio's on > about 44 members the new book covers 269 men including a photo of most. > There are fewer pictures of aircraft than the first book, no artwork, no > profiles, no colour. This is strictly a people book. 499 pages of which 29 > deal with the history of the unit the rest is individual biography. It is > more or less the same format as 'New England Aviators 1914-1918'. It's a > very impressive and definitive work and I feel it's worth the $94.95 Cdn I > paid for it, but I can't help thinking what a truly spectacular book it > could be if it included a chapter on the machines featuring colour profiles > by Bob Pearson! > > Brad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:07:24 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: In a message dated 9/11/00 8:15:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BigglesRFC@globalserve.net writes: << ssive and definitive work and I feel it's worth the $94.95 Cdn I paid for it, but I can't help thinking what a truly spectacular book it could be if it included a chapter on the machines featuring colour profiles by Bob Pearson! Brad >> Also needs big full color action paintings by....well....at least someone (plus I've already done a batch of Lafayette profiles for a museum.....) RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:07:22 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille books Message-ID: <32.9f75430.26ef05fa@aol.com> In a message dated 9/11/00 8:17:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dcalhoun01@snet.net writes: << ar doped linen, including Victor Chapman's, and 3 were camouflaged. I have never seen a photo of a cdl (or yellow) N.11 said to be from N.124. Can this be confirmed by a photo somewhere? >> There's movie film of these planes being rolled out of the hanger, and some appear to be CDL/or yellow. Some reports say Chapman painted his light gray all over, and Bert Hall's was said to be sky blue. RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:49:52 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Cc: "Roberto Gentilli" Subject: Re: Italian air war info Message-ID: <001f01c01c85$a79a28a0$320106c0@acasirat> On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:09:28 EDT Dave Zulis wrote: Alberto points out: << To a certain extent, I firmly believe that the Italian WW1 front history is still to be adequately popularized, especially in the English language. To my knowledge, there is no reliable, readily available and adequately cheap English source of information and this makes things worse, of course. >> > When we met at Pensacola, I got the impression that there were plans for an > English-language version of Roberto G's book. Have you heard anything > about this? The book seems to be of excellent quality, well-illustrated, > and if Roberto's presentation was any indication, I would bet it is > well-researched, too. > Dave Z On 11 Sep 2000 Peter Fedders wrote: > I have read a small amount of theabove book and have found it excellent. > However, I read Italian only very slowly. > peter In my view, this book, titled "I Reparti dell'Aviazione Italiana nella Grande Guerra" ("Italian Air Force units in the Great War"), by R. Gentilli and P. Varriale, is really an excellent book by any standard. Well researched text and many very nice pictures forms a complete history of each unit, including Navy squadrons. Since I bought it, it has become the book I use, read and enjoy the most. I am told that it will be published in English language in the not too distant future. I will keep you posted. All the very best, Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2632 **********************