WWI Digest 2630 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: My new friend is a.... by "DAVID BURKE" 2) Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel by "DAVID BURKE" 3) Re: My new friend is a.... by "DAVID BURKE" 4) Re: My new friend is a.... by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel by CTJDavies@aol.com 6) Re: Jenny by MAnde72343@aol.com 7) Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel by "DAVID BURKE" 8) Re: ISO info on Windsock Int'l by "Andy Kemp" 9) RE: Looking for Info by "Gaston Graf" 10) Bricks, bottles and machineguns... by "Gaston Graf" 11) Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel by skarver@banet.net 12) Correct Lewis Gun?? by pugs99@att.net 13) Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel by "pgabert" 14) Re: Jenny by Lee Mensinger 15) Re: Correct Lewis Gun?? by MAnde72343@aol.com 16) Re: ISO info on Windsock Int'l by Lee Mensinger 17) Re: Jenny by MAnde72343@aol.com 18) Re: ISO info on Windsock Int'l by MAnde72343@aol.com 19) RE: ISO info on Windsock Int'l by "Gaston Graf" 20) carving props... by "Sandy Adam" 21) RE: ISO info on Windsock Int'l by Shane Weier 22) Re: Looking for Info by Mike Kavanaugh 23) Re: OT ground vehicles, further thoughts. by David Fleming 24) Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel by Mike Kavanaugh 25) Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel by "DAVID BURKE" 26) Re: Jenny by Lee Mensinger 27) Re: Jenny by BEN8800@aol.com 28) Re: Correct Lewis Gun?? by "David Calhoun" 29) Art Mart Brush sale - sorry wrong email group & Albatros Cookup by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 30) Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel by Dan 31) Re: ISO info on Windsock Int'l by "Andy Kemp" 32) Italian aierial threat and "massive" allied support by "Alberto Casirati" 33) Re: Jenny by "Brad & Merville" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:43:12 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: My new friend is a.... Message-ID: <003e01c01b58$7237b7a0$d28faec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 1:41 AM Subject: Re: My new friend is a.... > In a message dated 9/9/00 10:21:09 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: > > << My New Friend as of today is a >> > > Given what we know of you, Mr. Burke, this is *not* what I was expecting of > someone who rides a black bike in black leather on a dark night. :-) > > TC The bike is not black. The leather gear however, is. DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:45:22 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel Message-ID: <003f01c01b58$73106460$d28faec7@com> > Also, the molds and, as you note, the packaging is all done, and the real > reason the Camel is taking so long to make an appearance an appearance is > that there now seems to be some internal political battle at Eduard about > whether the kit should be shot in green or yellow plastic! :-) > > Couldn't resist that, > Stef > Hey, it's Johnny Two-times, Two-times... DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:46:12 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: My new friend is a.... Message-ID: <004001c01b58$73d9cee0$d28faec7@com> Hold it 'till October - I'll be down there for the show. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Thomas" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 8:27 AM Subject: Re: My new friend is a.... > > > smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > > Dave: > > Somebody on the list has my prop carving book. E? > > Damn, I do have that, don't I. I just need to remember where I put it. I'm sure > it's somewhere here in the library. I'll find it and send it over to you Dave. > E. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:52:00 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: My new friend is a.... Message-ID: <004101c01b58$74a33960$d28faec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Kavanaugh" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 9:59 AM Subject: Re: My new friend is a.... > David, > > Not to mention Battleship Park near Mobile. Besides the USS Alabama > with the last remaining Mk 6 catapult, the submarine, which I haven't > checked out yet, and the aircraft on display: HU-16 Albatross, B-52, > Kingfisher, P-51, F9F, F-105 and F-16 among others. . . . even a B-61 > thermonuclear bomb shape. A lot of memories there in Mobile too. > > Mike K. > You're all on target except for the B-61 'shape'. I don't think that's in the collection. You may be confused with Pensacola. THey have some 'shapes' there. I found out that there are 3 A-12's in Alabama, all of sequential numeral blocks. The Mobile museum also has (IIRC) an SBD under restoration. Personally, I'd like to see a Hanriot HD2 there, but I guess that's more for P'cola. As for memories in Mobile, I'm a Spring Hill grad, and spent 6 years in Mobile in total. DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:06:24 EDT From: CTJDavies@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel Message-ID: <11.8f71583.26ed35b0@aol.com> In einer eMail vom 10.09.2000 13:39:22 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerze schreibt skarver@banet.net: <> << To avoid this sort of embarrassment in the future, perhaps you might, again, check the recent archives. >> Not having to do *everything* in life by the book is, for me, one of the pleasent things of life, even if it does mean an occasional humerous embarrassment. I'd rather enjoy being spontaneous every now and then. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:13:15 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: FWIW the local Air Guard Museum crew is building an authentic Jenny copy to fly. I've been looking at it as it's coming along. They have a curtis OX motor, but are going to use a Hispano IIRC, quite a project, the fuselage and wings are nearly finished, and no one working on it is under 50. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:17:19 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel Message-ID: <000901c01b5b$c617db40$d28faec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 2:11 PM Subject: Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel > In einer eMail vom 10.09.2000 13:39:22 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerze schreibt > skarver@banet.net: > > < actually did post to the List. Perhaps you might consider setting the > 'acknowledgment' option to 'on' whereby your own posts are also bounnced > back to you by list proc. See the FAQ. Or, of course, you could search the > current current archives a day later.>> > > << To avoid this sort of embarrassment in the future, perhaps you might, > again, > check the recent archives. > >> > > Not having to do *everything* in life by the book is, for me, one of the > pleasent things of life, even if it does mean an occasional humerous > embarrassment. I'd rather enjoy being spontaneous every now and then. RIGHT ON!!! DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:13:45 +0100 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: ISO info on Windsock Int'l Message-ID: <00e001c01b63$a8bacaa0$b2418cd4@5120> Not a url that trips off the tongue, but Mr Rimmel has gone on-line now - sort of. http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/terrace/ss16/Albatros/datafile s.htm Andy K > Although I've searched high and low on the 'net, I've failed to find any > information regarding the magazine, like: > publisher/frequency/subscription cost. I sure would appreciate info on > the matter. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:24:07 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Looking for Info Message-ID: Hmmm....honesty said the easier way to go - if you want to learn about detailing and painting techniques - would be to buy Sheperd Paines books "how to build dioramas, 2nd edition", "how to build tanks and military vehicles" as well as "painting and building scale model figures". In those books you can ready everything you need to know. The rest is up to your imagination. Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > NodalPoint@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 6:23 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Looking for Info > > > > I'm new to the OT building thing and was wondering if anyone out > there can > help out. I'm trying to get as much info and have found lots of > usefull info > on various web sites and this list. > > I don't have access to any old copies of Scale Modeler and saw an archive > list that seemed to have some great articles. Maybe someone on > this list has > some of these articles and would be willing to photocopy them for > me. I'd be > happy to pick up the cost. I'm especially interested in painting and > detailing techniques. > > Thanks, > Steve > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:36:03 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Bricks, bottles and machineguns... Message-ID: Friends, before I'm off for a 3 day visit at the battlefield of pancakes and maple leaf sirup in Disneyland Paris, I uploaded a new story for you. At Jasta Boelcke you now can read the story of the developement of a system which permitted to shoot through the running propeller. You can find that story with pictures at the WORKBENCH. Critics, suggestions and pancakes are always welcome. But if you gonna throw pancakes don't forget the maple leaf sirup :o). Hey Donald - I'm coooooooomiiiiiiiiiiiiinnng.... tataaaaaaaaaaaa.... Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:41:26 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel Message-ID: <004401c01b5f$1e2ecac0$fd706420@stephen> Sunday, September 10, 2000 3:11 PM huffed | Not having to do *everything* in life by the book is, for me, one of the | pleasent things of life, even if it does mean an occasional humerous | embarrassment. I'd rather enjoy being spontaneous every now and then. Perhaps your humorless spontaneity is the consequence of banging on that humerus once too often. Not a funny bone despite what they say. Well, we are all free to choose our discomforts. Cheers, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:26:10 +0000 From: pugs99@att.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Correct Lewis Gun?? Message-ID: <20000910212611.WMEN6605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Hi All, Need to know which Lewis MG, Mk.2 or Mk.3 or both would be correct for an upperwing gun on a Nie. 11 and for a Nie. 16. TIA for any help. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:42:10 -0400 From: "pgabert" To: Subject: Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel Message-ID: <005101c01b6f$f9a16e40$d5d71f18@sc.rr.com> Chris wrote, > Thanks Paul, > > just what I've been looking for. You're more than welcome. Paul G. wwjd ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:03:06 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: <39BC051A.69DE843F@x25.net> Question, who (Guard Unit/organization) and where is the replica being built? A JN-4D and JN-4C are being made by Vintage Aviation Services in Marion, Texas and Vernon Hatch of Kerrville. Maybe a second JN 4 D in a little while. Lots of them will soon be around. The C will be getting wings covered very soon. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX MAnde72343@aol.com wrote: > FWIW the local Air Guard Museum crew is building an authentic Jenny copy to > fly. I've been looking at it as it's coming along. They have a curtis OX > motor, but are going to use a Hispano IIRC, quite a project, the fuselage and > wings are nearly finished, and no one working on it is under 50. > Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:57:13 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Correct Lewis Gun?? Message-ID: Generally, the Lewis used was the early type, with the smaller (thinner) drum, usually with the 'jacket' removed, but not always. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:05:25 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ISO info on Windsock Int'l Message-ID: <39BC05A5.68BF43E3@x25.net> Tried the URL and my computer says Page Not Found Andy Kemp wrote: > Not a url that trips off the tongue, but Mr Rimmel has gone > on-line now - sort of. > > http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/terrace/ss16/Albatros/datafile > s.htm > > Andy K > > > Although I've searched high and low on the 'net, I've > failed to find any > > information regarding the magazine, like: > > publisher/frequency/subscription cost. I sure would > appreciate info on > > the matter. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:01:43 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: <81.770e7f.26ed5ec7@aol.com> Minnesota, it's the Air Guard Association Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:04:10 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ISO info on Windsock Int'l Message-ID: <12.2172519.26ed5f5a@aol.com> The last Windsock had a teaser about an upcoming online site, but didn't give an address, they didn't say when it would be up. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:17:20 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: ISO info on Windsock Int'l Message-ID: The way the message was displayed it seems to me as if it is just a lousy joke. The standart message for a page not found would start with "error 404...". Also it is displayed in black letters only. Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Lee Mensinger > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 12:04 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: ISO info on Windsock Int'l > > > Tried the URL and my computer says Page Not Found > > Andy Kemp wrote: > > > Not a url that trips off the tongue, but Mr Rimmel has gone > > on-line now - sort of. > > > > http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/terrace/ss16/Albatros/datafile > > s.htm > > > > Andy K > > > > > Although I've searched high and low on the 'net, I've > > failed to find any > > > information regarding the magazine, like: > > > publisher/frequency/subscription cost. I sure would > > appreciate info on > > > the matter. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:48:01 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: carving props... Message-ID: <000701c01b79$410df380$08e8b094@sandyada> > Sandy, > can you please give me the title of your book about prop carving? I wanna... Sorry Gaston, Must be somebody else. I have no book on prop carving. Is there another Alessandro on this list? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:52:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: ISO info on Windsock Int'l Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621A0C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Lee says: > Tried the URL and my computer says Page Not Found > > Andy Kemp wrote: > > > > http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/terrace/ss16/Albatros/datafile > > s.htm > > That's because the listserver has stripped off "s.htm" from the end of the URL and put it on the next line. The full URL ends ..../Albatros/datafiles.htm ...and as Andy said, it's only barely "online" being a single rather boring page Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:00:20 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Looking for Info Message-ID: <39BC2EA4.44F5748@earthlink.net> Steve, I have some old Fine Scale Modeler (FSM) magazines. The topics you are interested in span several issues, like six or more. But since you are especially interested in painting and detailing techniques, I suggest you visit the publishing site for FSM, i.e. Kalmbach which has several modeling detail and painting type books for aircraft, auto, armor,etc. I have Mike Ashey's books on detailing which I think are quite good, especially for beginners. The Kalmbach url is: http://www.kalmbach.com. Good luck. Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:13:19 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT ground vehicles, further thoughts. Message-ID: <39BC158E.7BBC8A67@dial.pipex.com> Matthew Bittner wrote: > On Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:49:56 -0400 (EDT), John Huggins wrote: > > > If any one cares here are the rail road figures: > > O 1/4in = 1 foot (1/48 scale) > > S 3/16in = 1 foot > > HO 3.5mm = 1 foot > > N 1.92mm = 1 foot (1/160 scale) > > Plus, isn't G close to 1/32nd? > Don't forget '00', which is the UK 4mm:1ft standard, or as we static modellers call it, 1:76th scale (And you wondered why Airfix chose that as thier AFV scale !) There are a few kits around - I can think of a lorry and bus offhand. NB 'British' N guage is closer to 1/144th in scale (2mm:1ft) ~ 1/150th, British 'O' is 7mm:1ft, 1/43 scale (Another one explained) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:50:12 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel Message-ID: <39BC3A54.B2AD7B91@earthlink.net> DB says:" Hey, it's Johnny Two-times, Two-times..." O.K., for the ignorant among us, what does this mean? Is it a generation thing or was I out of the country when the fad flew through? Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:53:52 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel Message-ID: <003101c01b82$612e5a20$ab88aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Kavanaugh" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel > DB says:" Hey, it's Johnny Two-times, Two-times..." > > O.K., for the ignorant among us, what does this mean? Is it a > generation thing or was I out of the country when the fad flew through? > > Mike K. > You never saw 'Goodfellas'? You poor guy! DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:18:51 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, MAnde72343@aol.com Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: <39BC32FB.34AD790B@x25.net> Thank you so much. I wanted to know so I can pass it to the people making Jennies down here. Lee M. MAnde72343@aol.com wrote: > Minnesota, it's the Air Guard Association > Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:17:46 EDT From: BEN8800@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: <7c.ac1bae1.26ed9aca@aol.com> In a message dated 9/10/00 2:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KarrArt@aol.com writes: << There are 2 items that may be of interest. A new Video 30 min. for $9.95 It's Gotta Be a Jenny. States early film and also a comprehensive look at Ken Hyde's restoration of a Jenny. This is the one I saw in Maryland Museum. >> I wonder if this is a re-do of a segment from a TV show about restoring various old things? Possibly a Nat.Geographic production? Several years old, but still a good long piece on the restoration and first flight of Hyde's Jenny. I think the other segments were on the restoration of gold leafing in Russia; carousel animals; a sailing ship and some fancy 30's car. RK >> I really don't know as I have ordered it but only seen the ad in the catalog. The box has EAA at the bottom. I also see other EAA videos in the catalog. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:38:59 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Correct Lewis Gun?? Message-ID: <00ff01c01bb2$97209f00$b8083ccc@oemcomputer> Hi John, Early Nieuports (N.11, 16 & some 17) should have the Mk. I Lewis. This can be identified by the smaller 47 round drum magazine. Most had the jacket removed but kept the front & rear cooling radiators. A good drawing of this can be seen in the Lewis Guns Windsock Mini Datafile #3. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: pugs99@att.net To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, September 10, 2000 2:28 PM Subject: Correct Lewis Gun?? >Hi All, >Need to know which Lewis MG, Mk.2 or Mk.3 or both would >be correct for an upperwing gun on a Nie. 11 and for a >Nie. 16. TIA for any help. > >Regards, >John > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:11:43 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1FAQ" Subject: Art Mart Brush sale - sorry wrong email group & Albatros Cookup Message-ID: <009501c01b9a$412aa040$3d2c57d8@cnlduckwor> Sorry to all of you 'out of towners' this was suppose to go to the St. Louis Jasta and I sent it out to 'the world' my mistake. Have the flowers, leaves almost completed on Jacobsen's DIII and am tackling the white and black diamonds in the band next. Weather in the midwest has been in the high 90's so no painting in the garage where the compressor and airbrush live. This week it dipped into the middle 70's so I was able to spray Future (for decalling) and the grey access panels around the nose and engine. Hopefully will have this model done by the end of the month. Been busy with Cub Scouts and work so not much time to post many comments but the models being posted in the gallery are great. I believe the WWI Fly-in is October 7th at Creve Coeur Airport in St. Louis - list member David Layton is working there and hopefully will correct me if this is wrong. I've gone the last two years with lots of OT stuff showing up. If your in the area it's worth the visit. Next St. Louis Jasta meeting is October (Friday the 13th) -----Original Message----- From: Charles and Linda Duckworth To: ww1FAQ Date: Sunday, September 10, 2000 9:33 AM Subject: Art Mart Brush sale >Went into Art Mart on Hanley (brentwood) yesterday to buy some small brushs >for detail work and they are selling a line called Rachael at 50% off so you >can buy a detail brush that's normally $4.85 at $2.43. > >Good quality brushes. > >Charlie > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:02:37 -0400 From: Dan To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel Message-ID: <39BC4B4D.FC721BB4@mindspring.com> DAVID BURKE wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Kavanaugh" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 6:52 PM > Subject: Re: Retry; Eduard's Camel > > > DB says:" Hey, it's Johnny Two-times, Two-times..." > > > > O.K., for the ignorant among us, what does this mean? Is it a > > generation thing or was I out of the country when the fad flew through? > > > > Mike K. > > > > You never saw 'Goodfellas'? You poor guy! > > DB Yes - several times. The reference still eludes me. Explain or I'll shoot you in the foot... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:07:27 +0100 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: ISO info on Windsock Int'l Message-ID: <003e01c01bc7$ee589b00$0b246cd5@5120> It works fine for me! Look out though - 'cos it wraps over two lines. Make sure you cut & paste the full url into your browser window :-) http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/terrace/ss16/Albatros/datafile s.htm > Tried the URL and my computer says Page Not Found Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:23:25 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Italian aierial threat and "massive" allied support Message-ID: <00b801c01bda$51ebc400$320106c0@acasirat> Thanks to all those who took the trouble to write their comments on both matters. To a certain extent, I firmly believe that the Italian WW1 front history is still to be adequately popularized, especially in the English language. To my knowledge, there is no reliable, readily available and adequately cheap English source of information and this makes things worse, of course. However, I believe there is more than that. I think that the Italian military history of the 20th century is still being "filtered" by the second world war facts. This is a pity, as the Italian WW1 military effort (and the related results) was certainly not inferior to the British and French ones. Of course, differences between the two fronts (the Italian and the French ones) were many, so that direct comparisons are at least not very wise. One fact is certain, however: it was the Italian armed forces which won that war. Allied help was certainly welcome and hoped fro, as it is natural, but it was by stopping the A-H offensive of Caporetto and by successfully defending the Monte Grappa that Italy won the war. And the Italian air force contribution to those victories was by no means insignificant. The Italian final offensive could be adequately prepared thanks to the fact that A-H and German forces on that front also needed to rest and re-organized. This is usual after a major clash. Thanks to "the boys of the 99" (19 year-old soldiers who were enlisted to replace the losses suffered because of the above named bloody battles), Italy had the necessary strength to win even after those battles of attrition. It is very sad to see that even someone as knowledgeable in history as the authors of the Grosz-Haddow-Shiemer 's book foreword can write such historical nonsenses. Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:22:43 -0400 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: Jenny Message-ID: <001c01c01bda$396dede0$a7885ad1@The_Grenade.Workgroup> Ben This is a different video from the National Geograpghic segment that RK mentions. Much of the EAA video was shot at Oshkosh '89 when they held the Jenny Reunion and no less than six Jennies including a Canuck showed up. A lot of the newsreel footage I'm sure you'll have seen but the reunion portion and the segment on Ken Hyde's machine (different from NG) are well worth the price of the video, at least for a Jenny fan like me. How's the Model Expo Jenny coming along? I'm hoping to be one of your first customers. Brad -----Original Message----- From: BEN8800@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Jenny >In a message dated 9/10/00 2:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KarrArt@aol.com >writes: > ><< There are 2 items that may be of interest. A new Video 30 min. for $9.95 > It's > Gotta Be a Jenny. States early film and also a comprehensive look at Ken > Hyde's restoration of a Jenny. This is the one I saw in Maryland Museum. > >> > > I wonder if this is a re-do of a segment from a TV show about restoring > various old things? Possibly a Nat.Geographic production? Several years old, > but still a good long piece on the restoration and first flight of Hyde's > Jenny. I think the other segments were on the restoration of gold leafing in > Russia; carousel animals; a sailing ship and some fancy 30's car. > RK > >> >I really don't know as I have ordered it but only seen the ad in the catalog. >The box has EAA at the bottom. I also see other EAA videos in the catalog. > >Ben > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2630 **********************