WWI Digest 2625 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: WWI digest 2624 by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 2) Re: WWI digest 2624 by Dan 3) Re: OT autos by "David C. Fletcher" 4) Hannants Hot News Sheet by "Len Smith" 5) Re: OT ALERT!!! by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: WWI digest 2624 by "DAVID BURKE" 7) Re: Meeting Michael Kendix by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 8) RE: Cyg meets List Goddess by "Sandy Adam" 9) Re: WWI digest 2624 by "Matt Bittner" 10) Re: Off List: Italian aerial threat by fedders 11) Re: Italian aerial threat by fedders 12) Re: OT autos by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: Cyg meets List Goddess by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: Solvaset and Microsol by KarrArt@aol.com 15) RE: OT autos by "dfernet0" 16) Re: OT autos by Allan Wright 17) Re: Solvaset and Microsol -- more ot now by "Mark Shannon" 18) Re: OT autos by Lyle Lamboley 19) Re: Albatros C.III "Claw" Brake by Steve Cox 20) RE: Pfalz E.I was: Laskodi's done it again!! by "Gaston Graf" 21) RE: ALPS by "Gaston Graf" 22) RE: OT autos by "Gaston Graf" 23) RE: OT autos by "Gaston Graf" 24) Re: OT autos by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Pegasus DH-2 by WStew10180@aol.com 26) Painting Tip by MAnde72343@aol.com 27) Re: Pegasus DH-2 by MAnde72343@aol.com 28) Re: Pegasus DH-2 by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 29) Re: Pegasus DH-2 by "DAVID BURKE" 30) ot near-miss by "DAVID BURKE" 31) RE: ot near-miss by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:47:55 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI digest 2624 Message-ID: <85256954.005C9AFA.00@hysoft-gateway1.hyperion.com> Hi All, CAn anyone give me the address for Koster Aero? I am looking to pick up(thanks to everyone who replied to my question) a Hanover CL-IIIA from them. Unless of course someone on the list has a mint one they want to sell or trade. TIA. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:03:18 -0400 From: Dan To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI digest 2624 Message-ID: <39B91BD6.9BF253A5@mindspring.com> Koster Aero Enterprises > 610 Euclid Court > Highland Park, IL 60035 > USA Dan John_Impenna@hyperion.com wrote: > Hi All, > CAn anyone give me the address for Koster Aero? I am looking to pick up(thanks > to everyone who replied to my question) a Hanover CL-IIIA from them. Unless of > course someone on the list has a mint one they want to sell or trade. TIA. > > Regards, > John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:13:36 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT autos Message-ID: <39B91E40.3874E6AA@mars.ark.com> Lyle Lamboley wrote: "I'm looking for a suitable automobile in 1/48 that would be applicable in any OT setting--Model T, Renault, etc. TIA--" Revell made a 1925 Model T, Kit #1256, but you have to backdate it to an angular brass radiator to make it "OT". The Pyro/LifeLike 1908 Lanchester in 1/32nd scale makes a great character car for a WWI setting, if you can find one. I have one but I don't have the instruction sheet (and it is unlike any other vehicle, so the sheet is needed to figure out where everything goes!). Does anyone have the sheet??? Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:30:51 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Hannants Hot News Sheet Message-ID: <008f01c019ba$a37773e0$805808c3@mesh> Greetings, Todays list shows the following Eduards as received:- EDK7218 Albatros DV £3.99 EDK4846 Pfalz DIIIa early version £8.30 Etched Parts. ED72333 WW1 Scarf(sic) gun ring £3.99 ED72334 WW1 Nieuport gun ring £3.99 National Insignia Paint Masks. EDSX524 Fokker Dr1. 1/72 £1.99 Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:28:21 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: OT ALERT!!! Message-ID: <004e01c019ba$b7aaa800$8281aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:39 PM Subject: Re: OT ALERT!!! > In a message dated 9/7/00 8:32:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dora9@sprynet.com > writes: > > << > Something on PBS about Australia, and they're discussing the War. But > not just the War, but Australia itself. Wonder if it'll explain how come > they're so cantankerous! > > > DB >> > > Probably just that new series with that laughably pompous hack Robert Hughes. > If he wasn't involved with this show, I'd be watching. I caught a few > minutes the other night, and it looked great, sounded horrible.... it > would've been great... > RK > (doomed to considering Hughes to be a poisonous bedbug on the sheets of the > world) Is that the 'Austrailia - Beyond the Poison Shore'? I usually don't pay too much attention to hosts. During 'Around the World' and 'Pole to Pole', I usually dismissed Michael Palin and just concentrated on the scenery. BTW: wasn't it an Austrailian who quipped that 'hypocrisy is the Vaseline of political intercourse'? DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:31:49 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 2624 Message-ID: <004f01c019ba$c3b67520$8281aec7@com> Isn't this address on the site? Matt, can you check that the site address listing for Koster is this current correct one? DB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 12:04 PM Subject: Re: WWI digest 2624 > Koster Aero Enterprises > > 610 Euclid Court > > Highland Park, IL 60035 > > USA > > Dan > > John_Impenna@hyperion.com wrote: > > > Hi All, > > CAn anyone give me the address for Koster Aero? I am looking to pick up(thanks > > to everyone who replied to my question) a Hanover CL-IIIA from them. Unless of > > course someone on the list has a mint one they want to sell or trade. TIA. > > > > Regards, > > John > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:39:30 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Meeting Michael Kendix Message-ID: Washington DC IPMS meeting for the month of September will be Sept 19. The "special" cataegory for the month is "Build The Same Kit", this time the 1/144 Minicraft 737-300 or -400. October special is "Something Blue" Blue Albatros, Blue racecar, as long as it is blue. If we get enough folks to the meetings this fall with an interest, we might be able to get next year's Build The Same Kit to be a Eduard OT kit of some type. BTW - there are categories for all kinds of kits to show/contest, the "Special" is but one. "Ya'll come! We have fun!" - We even take in out of town visitors... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:45:07 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: RE: Cyg meets List Goddess Message-ID: <002501c019bc$c4e28720$2ee8b094@sandyada> >RK, TC and Candice are very kind to entertain me on my travels. Who knows? >I may be coming to a town near you! (Quick Hide!). Come to Scotland, Cyg, you will be most welcome! >Hey Cyg,,, I can get used to the hand delivery of new model kits also!!!! Ah-ha - even better reason! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:56:19 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: WWI digest 2624 Message-ID: <200009081758.KAA04094@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:43:57 -0400 (EDT), DAVID BURKE wrote: > Isn't this address on the site? Matt, can you check that the site address > listing for Koster is this current correct one? No, the one on the site was a different address, based in MA. It has now been changed. Thanks for bring that up, DB! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:06:58 -0500 (CDT) From: fedders To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off List: Italian aerial threat Message-ID: There is a book by Porro and I cannot remember the title off-hand. It is in Italian and was written in the 20's. The book is reasonably free of the ridiculous jingoism of many Italian authors ofthe period and is considered a sort of unofficial account ofthe air war. I recommend it if you read Italian. It is even worth learning Italian to read it - I did! For the Austrian side I have only read about the Adriatic was for the most part and there is the fantastic Austrian book written in the 80's (in German of course). I find it difficult to find reasonable books on the Italian-AH war that are written in English. peter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:13:55 -0500 (CDT) From: fedders To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Italian aerial threat Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Alberto Casirati wrote: > Massive British help ? Is there anybody out there who really still believes > this ? And what about the REAL impact this "massive" help had ? Who did > really stop the A-H army on the Piave and on the Grappa ? Legends are hard > to die... Well, the British believe it. Surely you must have read the British views on the Italians in WWI! However it is clear, at least to me, that the Italians did a good job with their airforce in WWI peter Acually, by late 1917 and 1918, the Austrians were badly outnumbered, out gunned by even more, and the army was falling apart. It amazes me that the AUstrians were able to hold on for as long as they did. peter > > Alberto Casirati > > > ... it's hard to believe > > that the Italians could have handled the Austrians > easily without any > > aircraft and without the massive British help. > > > peter > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:50:25 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT autos Message-ID: In a message dated 9/8/00 10:13:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dcf@mars.ark.com writes: << Lyle Lamboley wrote: "I'm looking for a suitable automobile in 1/48 that would be applicable in any OT setting--Model T, Renault, etc. TIA--" Revell made a 1925 Model T, Kit #1256, but you have to backdate it to an angular brass radiator to make it "OT". The Pyro/LifeLike 1908 Lanchester in 1/32nd scale makes a great character car for a WWI setting, if you can find one. I have one but I don't have the instruction sheet (and it is unlike any other vehicle, so the sheet is needed to figure out where everything goes!). Does anyone have the sheet??? Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: >> No advice, just a cry of despair over the lack of ground support items in 1/48 (and I'll even toss in a tear or two for the 1/72 creatures). Trucks, cars- the whole deal. Scratchbuilding vehicles is a pain in the artichoke.......... RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:50:26 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cyg meets List Goddess Message-ID: <59.6a5c2d.26ea8ef2@aol.com> In a message dated 9/7/00 11:21:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << RK, TC and Candice are very kind to entertain me on my travels. Who knows? I may be coming to a town near you! (Quick Hide!). Regards, John Cyg. >> Cyg World Tour 2001..........lasers! smoke bombs! dancers! Good to see you again this year- the perfect antidote to things like kitchen repair, computer glitches and work! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:50:27 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Solvaset and Microsol Message-ID: <21.ac7b15.26ea8ef3@aol.com> In a message dated 9/7/00 11:48:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us writes: << Glacial acetic acid, the 97% concentrate stuff, smells like a pickle factory explosion -- while there are worst organic chemical smells, I find it one of the most nauseating to work with. (I'll leave out pyridine, which smells like rotting salami, and norbornadiene, which smells like that hotdog burp when you haven't had hot dogs in the last two or three days....) .Mark. >> In my high school chemistry days, my class lost control of ( IIRC) some butyric acid...cleared out the school for a few hours- the overpowering stench of rotting butter. RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:02:33 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: OT autos Message-ID: <054701c019be$f7136d20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> No 1/48 that I know of.... and maybe the regular 1/43 models would be too different to pose alongside a 1/48. In 1/32 you have some variety: a 1903 mercedes from airfix and some other from SMER, Packards, Rolls, etc. Those is what I know of. You may try a 1/32 plane for your diorama or scratchbuild a car in 1/48. HTH D. ----- Original Message ----- From: David C. Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 2:15 PM Subject: Re: OT autos > Lyle Lamboley wrote: > > "I'm looking for a suitable automobile in 1/48 that would be applicable > in any OT setting--Model T, Renault, etc. TIA--" > > Revell made a 1925 Model T, Kit #1256, but you have to backdate it to an > angular brass radiator to make it "OT". > > The Pyro/LifeLike 1908 Lanchester in 1/32nd scale makes a great > character car for a WWI setting, if you can find one. I have one but I > don't have the instruction sheet (and it is unlike any other vehicle, so > the sheet is needed to figure out where everything goes!). Does anyone > have the sheet??? > > Dave Fletcher > -- > Visit us at our Home Page: > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:42:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT autos Message-ID: <200009081942.PAA29243@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > No advice, just a cry of despair over the lack of ground support items in > 1/48 (and I'll even toss in a tear or two for the 1/72 creatures). Trucks, > cars- the whole deal. Scratchbuilding vehicles is a pain in the > artichoke.......... Reverisco made some 1/72 stuff - trucks and tanks mostly. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:40:32 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Solvaset and Microsol -- more ot now Message-ID: RKarr wrote: >In my high school chemistry days, my class lost control of ( IIRC) some >butyric acid...cleared out the school for a few hours- the overpowering >stench of rotting butter. >RK Yes, butyric acid is another one -- very infamous -- I didn't mention it because I could not think of a euphamistic describer. My brother went to Duke Univ., where the frats were in old, stone-floored edifices at the time. On a rainy day, the Kappa Sigma house smelled faintly of butyric acid still after a 1950's interfrat rivalry incident where a bottle of the stuff filched from the chem lab was tossed in one night. Story goes that since it was tossed in late at night, the frat brothers were asleep (or drunk), so their noses were inurred to the smell in the morning, and puzzled that everyone kept backing away from them all day. The next day, the story had spread, so everyone was identifying them as 'Oh, you must be a KSig!' as they backed away. Scrubbing never got the smell out of everything, and marble is calcium carbonate, an alkaline substance, so the marble floors made calcium butyrate, that slowly is re-acidifying and volatilizing out.... Or it could just be the remnants of years of barfing frat brothers (the compound is the one that induces you to feel like sympathetic heaves when cleaning up after someone who has been sick, sorry.) Anyway, chemistry is fun, and trying to describe smells of various compounds gets interesting. Anyway, the main one that we are concerned with is butyl acetate -- the banana oil smell -- the solvent for airplane dopes. Just be careful of the animal that sprays you with a oily mixture of butyl mercaptan, the scent of polecats. Butyl ( four-carbon chain groups) compounds are VERY smelly things -- mostly foul -- in general. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:54:42 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT autos Message-ID: <20000908.155444.-347643.3.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Bob and Dave, Thanks for the ideas and leads, it certainly would be nice to include some of the ground support equipment in a diorama. The 1/32 stuff is pretty good (I have the Pyro 1911 Packard that would work nicely with my Hobbycraft Nieuport) but I had hoped that somewhere there was a 1/48 kit of a motorcar. It might be that scratching a car is the only solution, but I don't know when I could get motivated enough to do that! Anyway, thanks again-- Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:55:37 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Albatros C.III "Claw" Brake Message-ID: I tried making a paper 'silhouette' of the largest of the last war drawings which were found amongst Zeppelin material at Aldershof. The drawing shows a monoplane with 20 500hp engines driving 10 propellers. The wingspan was over 6 feet, at the proper scale. It wouldn't fit in my display cabinet even if I could make it in plastic Regards Steve nb =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: Mike Kavanaugh > I just found a book in the library, "The German Giants: > The German R-Planes 1914-1918, by G.W. Haddow and Peter M. Grosz. They > cast a whole different aspect into OT modelling. I'll bet Matt Bittner > would be heading for 1/144th scale, at least! Now, there's a challenge. > > Mike K. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:08:28 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz E.I was: Laskodi's done it again!! Message-ID: More about copying aircraft in my article about developement of the interruptor gear ;o) will keep you informed when it will be online Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Lance Krieg > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 3:56 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Pfalz E.I was: Laskodi's done it again!! > > > Witold wants to know: > > "...what was the difference between French original Morane G and > German Pfalz E.I?" > > I think they were as near as dammit identical, except for the > manufacturers plates, which were very similar. Weren't they > licensed copies? > > Lance > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:08:30 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: ALPS Message-ID: Thanks for the info, guys. But 1498.-DM, which is about 30,000.- LUF is a bit to expensive to print a few decals from time to time. That only pays if you want to open a decal store. Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Volker Häusler > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 4:54 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: ALPS > > > Further to Tomasz comment: > > > Hi Gaston, > > > > Search your "closest" OKI website and find their OKI DP-5000. > It is simply > > Alps MD-5000 being sold with OKI label. I do not know how much > it costs in > > Luxembourg, but here in Poland it costs ca. US$ 700. > > Also I suppose that if Alps printer will cease their printer > line in USA, > > OKI will enter American market with their DP substitute. > > > > Tomasz > > > hst gmbh (a Hamburg based online shop for - amongst others - Oki and ALPS) > described the DP 5000 to me as the "succesor of the ALPS MD > 5000). As far as > I can see, the 2 main differences are the colour ("computer gray" > instead of > the black that I think the ALPS was manufactured in) and the fact that it > runs with 220 V - I think this was an option not possible for the ALPS MD > 5000 (but possible for the 1000). hst has the OKI in store; it sells for > 1498 German Marks, or roughly 680 US $ (if I have the correct rate for the > Euro). Can't find their address in this moment, I will try to > find it again. > They also export their stuff, so sending it to Luxembourg should not be a > problem. > > Volker > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:08:34 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: OT autos Message-ID: I would build such a thing from scratch if needed. Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Lyle Lamboley > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 5:32 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: OT autos > > > Guys, > I'm looking for a suitable automobile in 1/48 that would be applicable in > any OT setting--Model T, Renault, etc. TIA-- > Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:27:28 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: OT autos Message-ID: > No advice, just a cry of despair over the lack of ground support items in > 1/48 (and I'll even toss in a tear or two for the 1/72 > creatures). Trucks, > cars- the whole deal. Scratchbuilding vehicles is a pain in the > artichoke.......... > RK Regarding ground personal there is a nice set in 1/48 available from Hasegava. It are WWII German pilots and mechanics but I think it will be possible to convert them to WWI figures without much problems. Don't forget to remove the life perservers :o). And if you are skilled in converting figures perhaps you could cut them apart again, make moulds, do a nice set of WW1 figures for the listies and make money with your creations. tataaaaaaaa......... Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:08:17 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OT autos Message-ID: <11.8e33163.26eaaf41@aol.com> In a message dated 9/8/00 1:28:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ggraf@vo.lu writes: << Regarding ground personal there is a nice set in 1/48 available from Hasegava. It are WWII German pilots and mechanics but I think it will be possible to convert them to WWI figures without much problems. Don't forget to remove the life perservers :o). And if you are skilled in converting figures perhaps you could cut them apart again, make moulds, do a nice set of WW1 figures for the listies and make money with your creations. >> Mini-people are not that difficult to find, although I drained my people box of a life time of collecting when I did the 94th Aero Squadron diorama. That experience also taught me that I do not enjoy scratch building trucks...or motorcyles...or trailers! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:21:13 EDT From: WStew10180@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Pegasus DH-2 Message-ID: Hello Folks, Does anyone know if the Pegasus DH-2 is worth paying $25.00 for? Thanks, Bill S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:21:55 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Painting Tip Message-ID: <55.a9ef448.26eab273@aol.com> I, anyway have a problem with painting the leading edges of my planes, airbrushing always leaves them uneven, one touch up trick I've used successfully several time is to use a clean Q-tip, no stray hairs to wiggle the line, and no brushmarks (at least with the Acrylics I use) FWIW Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:29:47 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pegasus DH-2 Message-ID: <95.53559b.26eab44b@aol.com> YES! NO! YES! NO! YES! Is anything from CG (he behaves as if it's really JC) really worth the gouge? It's nice, and a much better starting point for a good model than the old, rare Revell, so it's a judgment call, the sort I always have suspect judgment on. Merrill PS you should see Brent Theobald's effort on that kit, looks pretty nice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:39:17 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pegasus DH-2 Message-ID: You can always wait for it to go on sale... Hello Folks, Does anyone know if the Pegasus DH-2 is worth paying $25.00 for? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:37:13 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Pegasus DH-2 Message-ID: <004501c019dc$f4d875a0$42e179a5@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Pegasus DH-2 > YES! NO! YES! NO! YES! Is anything from CG (he behaves as if it's really JC) > really worth the gouge? It's nice, and a much better starting point for a > good model than the old, rare Revell, so it's a judgment call, the sort I > always have suspect judgment on. > Merrill > > PS you should see Brent Theobald's effort on that kit, looks pretty nice Lemme chip in here. It was seeing the Pegasus kit of the DH2 that made me severely want the BM kit (they're the same outfit). I thought that the Pegasus DH2 was excellently molded, and I ALMOST (Bittner....) bought one. OTOH, I might give up 12-15 bucks for one, but probably not 25. It depends on the market price. Look at the hobby websites, like Meteor, Roll Models, and GreatModels Webstore and see what they are going for. DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:59:42 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: ot near-miss Message-ID: <000501c019e0$18f5bb20$42e179a5@com> Hey Guys, Sorry to go ot, but I realize that alot of us are flying buffs. Did anyone else hear about the near-miss between an F-117 and a United Airlines 757? The UA jet was flying out of LAX, or so I understand, on its way to Boston. Fortunately, the Collision Avoidance system was triggered and the passenger jet leveled its climb-out so that the F-117 passed 500 feet above it. Both sides maintain that they were following FAA-approved flight plans. My question is why doesn't the Air Force restrict stealth-capable aircraft (which, even with the radar-reflectors installed, are difficult to pick up well on ground radar - especially on civillian radar, which is not designed to be searching for anything but easy to see passenger jets) to Military Reservations like Tonopah? IIRC, that's where the damned thing was developed anyway. It's like riding a black motorcycle in black leather at night with the lights off. Sure, it's doable, but not advisable as though even you are in the city with all of the streetlights on, you are a hard thing to see, and are more likely to foul up. After looking to the story on the ABC.com website, I found where they claimed that the F-117 is the first stealth aircraft. Actually, the FIRST stealth-developed jet fighter was the Horten 9/Go-229 German jet fighter (which flew). But then I thought - WWI was full of 'stealth' fighters! Wow! If we could come up with a supersonic fabric and wood aircraft, why it would be damned-near invisible, yes? Or is it just Friday evening, and the celebrations have begun.... DB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:23:01 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: ot near-miss Message-ID: Ouch, that hurts... perhaps we should travel back in time, setup an elite squadron called "The Flying Nutmill". We could load our gunz with chromate-yellow paintballs and strafe a certain Fokker FI 103/17 on the ground.... Oh and you won't need a supersonic piece of fabric, Dave. Flying such a kite low over ground makes it undetectable by any radar. Perhaps you won't get a chance to get an F117 before your gunz flying a WW1 kite, but in MS CFS I once got 6 Fw-190s, riding that ugly Camel. tataaaaaaaaaaa.......... Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de PS: Who wants to be the commander of the "Flying Nutmill Squadron"? Any volounteers - or do I have to do the job alone? Dave could be my wingeman :oP. > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > DAVID BURKE > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 12:04 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: ot near-miss > > > Hey Guys, > > Sorry to go ot, but I realize that alot of us are flying buffs. Did > anyone else hear about the near-miss between an F-117 and a > United Airlines > 757? The UA jet was flying out of LAX, or so I understand, on its way to > Boston. Fortunately, the Collision Avoidance system was triggered and the > passenger jet leveled its climb-out so that the F-117 passed 500 > feet above > it. Both sides maintain that they were following FAA-approved > flight plans. > > My question is why doesn't the Air Force restrict stealth-capable > aircraft (which, even with the radar-reflectors installed, are > difficult to > pick up well on ground radar - especially on civillian radar, which is not > designed to be searching for anything but easy to see passenger jets) to > Military Reservations like Tonopah? IIRC, that's where the > damned thing was > developed anyway. It's like riding a black motorcycle in black leather at > night with the lights off. Sure, it's doable, but not advisable as though > even you are in the city with all of the streetlights on, you are a hard > thing to see, and are more likely to foul up. > > After looking to the story on the ABC.com website, I found where they > claimed that the F-117 is the first stealth aircraft. Actually, > the FIRST > stealth-developed jet fighter was the Horten 9/Go-229 German jet fighter > (which flew). But then I thought - WWI was full of 'stealth' fighters! > Wow! If we could come up with a supersonic fabric and wood > aircraft, why it > would be damned-near invisible, yes? Or is it just Friday > evening, and the > celebrations have begun.... > > > DB > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2625 **********************