WWI Digest 2617 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Hannover Cl-IIIa by "Mark Shannon" 2) ww1 image site by Mark Miller 3) Re: Hanover CL-III by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 4) German bombs by "Paul E. Thompson" 5) Re: The color ref by "Lance Krieg" 6) Munson and Fokker D.VI by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 7) Re: Currently working on by "Alberto Casirati" 8) Re: Hannover Cl-IIIa by "Courtney Allen" 9) Re: Munson and Fokker D.VI by "Lance Krieg" 10) Hannover kits by "Mark Shannon" 11) German Bombers of WWI in Action by "Courtney Allen" 12) RE: cast parts by "dfernet0" 13) What are YOU Afraid to Build? by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 14) Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? by "Matt Bittner" 15) RE: Vegemite by GRBroman@aol.com 16) Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? by "Lance Krieg" 17) RE: What are YOU Afraid to Build? by "dfernet0" 18) Re: !@#$%@!! Vegemite by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) 19) Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? by "Dale Beamish" 20) RE: cast parts by "Gaston Graf" 21) Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 22) RE: German bombs by "Gaston Graf" 23) RE: German Bombers of WWI in Action by "Gaston Graf" 24) Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 25) Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 26) Re: Show report by "Len Smith" 27) Re: Farman HF 20 details by "Len Smith" 28) Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? by "Matt Bittner" 29) Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 30) 1000th Camel? by "Dale Beamish" 31) Re: Hanover CL-III by MAnde72343@aol.com 32) Re: Hannover Cl-IIIa by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:47:36 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Hannover Cl-IIIa Message-ID: Eduard did make a Hannover Cl-IIIa, the Argus-engined version. The kit is one of their early ones, so it has the thick mouldings, lots of brass, white metal engine, and fit needing adjustment. The decals are very thin and delicate Propargteam, which will suck right down in the first place you put them. The lozenge is 'wrong 4-color' type, but the markings are not bad at all -- two Schlasta birds, one with a leering demon profile, the other a simple arrow as personal markings. You have to paint the fuselage and wood-covered wing and tail portions in lozenge yourself. Not a kit for beginners, and I'm still a little daunted by it, but eminently buildable -- a little more difficult than the Albatros C-III, in my opinion. On the other hand, it is the only 1/48th scale Hannover out there. The kit is OOP, but is not entirely rare at shows and swaps. You should not pay much over $40.00-50.00 US or you are being gouged (read: E-Bay), in my opinion, but if you must have it, it is out there. I have not heard any plans from Flashback to put it out again, but there is that possibility with the likelihood of somewhat improved buildability if they do. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Sep 2000 07:46:20 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: ww1 image site Message-ID: <20000906144620.12685.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> Hi all I stumbled onto this site - lots of photos - nicely organised some stuff I've never seen before Please excuse if this is old news http://raven.cc.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/photos/greatwar.htm Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:53:42 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanover CL-III Message-ID: Howdy! John asks: >Did Eduard or any other manufacturer put out a 1/48 scale Hanover Cl-III???? Yup, they sure did. It is one of their later early period releases. Kind of a tough build in comparison to their latest releases. If you can handle the Albatros C.III the Hannover should pose little difficulties. You might want to try the Koster vac instead. Some folks who have both kits prefer the Koster. Before you ask... Koster does not have a web presence yet. Strictly snail mail correspondence. Good luck! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:54:16 +0200 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: German bombs Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000906164707.00ad6690@pop.xs4all.nl> Hello all. I promise never to use the m(armite) word again. Further to the thread on casting pieces, does anyone know of a source of suitable ordnance for the Rareplanes 1/72 Gotha? The ones on the sheet are beyond my ability to use except as a guide, and it would be nice to use different sizes as well. I could always use up some Milliput and plastic card but rigging the Gotha doesn't leave much spare energy unless absolutely needed (OK, so I'm a lazy so and so). TIA, even if the answers 'no'. Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:57:47 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: The color ref Message-ID: Brian makes a good point about Methuen, but of course many of the published sources, particularly the British ones, have used it for years. One of the drawbacks with Methuen is the variation between editions, or even copies of the same edition - a problem for any printed matter. Some of Bob's profiles on the covers of OTF look to have departed rather dramatically from their original form. It's a complicated subject, made more complex by the problematic pigments, binders, mixtures, and colorfast properties of 80 year old paints, dopes, and dyes. Why we're so pedantic about the exact shade has always been a mystery to me... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:56:46 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Munson and Fokker D.VI Message-ID: Howdy! Do ya'll remember a few months ago we were arguing about the purple camoed Fokker D.VI? Apparently the color scheme came from one of Kenneth Munson's book. It was supposed to be plane from the Eastern Front. Which book was that in? This scheme also appears on the box art of Tom's Modelworks Fokker D.VI. Thanks! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:11:21 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Re: Currently working on Message-ID: <000701c01814$b7cdbc20$320106c0@acasirat> FWIW, and following Matt's suggestion, I am going to complete the painting stage of my 1/72nd Formaplane Hanriot Hd.1 vacuum formed kit. I began working on it about 6 months ago and, maybe, it will be finished by the end of October. A lot to correct in that old kit, but, to me, there is nothing like building vacs ! Next: Joystick Nieuport Ni 27 in Sgt. Marziale Cerutti's (17 confirmed victories) markings. Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:05:54 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: Hannover Cl-IIIa Message-ID: <002f01c01813$f4f954c0$f266480c@oemcomputer> Koster Aero Enterprises still makes their 1/48 Hannover CL.IIIa. Very good mix media kit (vacuform, PE, metal & resin parts) w/good decals. Courtney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shannon" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: Hannover Cl-IIIa > Eduard did make a Hannover Cl-IIIa, the Argus-engined version. The kit is one of their early ones, so it has the thick mouldings, lots of brass, white metal engine, and fit needing adjustment. The decals are very thin and delicate Propargteam, which will suck right down in the first place you put them. The lozenge is 'wrong 4-color' type, but the markings are not bad at all -- two Schlasta birds, one with a leering demon profile, the other a simple arrow as personal markings. You have to paint the fuselage and wood-covered wing and tail portions in lozenge yourself. Not a kit for beginners, and I'm still a little daunted by it, but eminently buildable -- a little more difficult than the Albatros C-III, in my opinion. > > On the other hand, it is the only 1/48th scale Hannover out there. The kit is OOP, but is not entirely rare at shows and swaps. You should not pay much over $40.00-50.00 US or you are being gouged (read: E-Bay), in my opinion, but if you must have it, it is out there. I have not heard any plans from Flashback to put it out again, but there is that possibility with the likelihood of somewhat improved buildability if they do. > > .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:11:21 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Munson and Fokker D.VI Message-ID: Brent asks: " Which book was that in?" The book is Munson's "Fighter Aricraft 1914-1919", a Blandford(?) pocket tome that featured one-page color three-views of a particular plane. A companion bomber book was also available. There were no photos, just the painted renderings, and no provenance given for the schemes - or no provenance that could be trusted. The bomber book features a "brick" camouflage that shows certain Central Power two-seaters painted in random green and brown rectangles. I've never seen these anywhere else. As a handy one-stop reference to WWI planes, with brief descriptions of many types, the books are acceptable. But to use them as color references is extremely problematic. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:27:44 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Hannover kits Message-ID: Yes, mea culpa, I forgot about the Koster kit. I should have said the Eduard was the only 1/48th scale injection molded kit out there. I have heard that the Koster is a good build, I haven't seen it. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:24:39 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: German Bombers of WWI in Action Message-ID: <004a01c01816$936b3e00$f266480c@oemcomputer> Received the latest flyer from Squadron on Saturday. Their "German Bombers of WWI in Action" is available and on sale for $8.46 (item #SS1173). Written by Peter Cooksley, 50 pages, 70m photos 6 colour profiles and three additional on covers. Aircraft covered are noted as AEG, Friedrichshafen, Gotha and Zeppelin series. They are in stock. I ordered a copy and will give an other overview once it arrives. Courtney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:32:18 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: cast parts Message-ID: <005c01c01817$a4a40160$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt: > I believe everything you have scratched for the cockpit would be able > to be resin cast with no problem. One piece that really stuck out was > the ammo container. That is a definite for resin casting, although > everything else could be as well. thanks for your appreciation to my work. I'll keep this on my mind next time. > So, people, whenever you get the urge to scratch cockpit parts (or > other things, Yes, some parts usually itch, and I feel the urge to scratch them. I try to be discreet about it. :-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:33:05 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: What are YOU Afraid to Build? Message-ID: Howdy! I was just sitting here and wondered if ya'll have the same issues that I do concerning some of my kits. I have in my unbuilt collection a few expensive, difficult (if not impossible) to replace kits. I pull these down fondly when I'm cycling thru my stash and think "Someday I'll be able to build this". For I am afraid of beginning these models and not being able to complete them due to my ineptness as a modeler. Or worse, I'll botch something and I won't be able to get a replacement. Here's my list of OT kits I fear: Meikraft Caproni Ca.III TC Models Vickers Vimy Rare Planes Gotha IV The plus side of this is I have faced my fear and started a couple that a short while ago I wouldn't have dreamed of starting. They include the Blue Max, Tom's Modelworks and Copperstate Halberstadts and the Aeroclub Re-8. Of these the Re-8 will be first to completion. I'm interested in what kits have ya'll purchased that you won't start. It would also be fun to discuss which kits were daunting but the modeler persevered and completed. Later! Brent nb: Still concentrating on Dilthey's and Balatre's Albatrossen for the cookup. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:42:04 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? Message-ID: <200009061542.IAA24710@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:39:54 -0400 (EDT), Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com wrote: Interesting thread! > Meikraft Caproni Ca.III Ditto. Although it could be sold for a lot of money (if ebay is to be believed) I still won't part with it. > Rare Planes Gotha IV Ditto. Plus I'm also in "fear" of the Sierra Scale Friedrichshafen and Caudron R.11. Although the Joystick AR.1 will be difficult (due to the lower wing being mounted off of the fuselage) that one I have every intention of building. Others I fear are all of the TC Berg kits I own. Not because they're daunting, but because they're excellent kits I would hate to screw up, especially for what they cost at the time. > I'm interested in what kits have ya'll purchased that you won't start. It > would also be fun to discuss which kits were daunting but the modeler > persevered and completed. Definitely the last two on IM: the Tom-M Fokker D.VI and Czechmaster SPAD 13. While I have the six-year Nieuport to finish (gads) I haven't due to using those pieces I scratched as master's. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:50:16 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: Subject: RE: Vegemite Message-ID: <4e.aba39a0.26e7c1c5@aol.com> Somebody said: >During my military career we used it to prove to USMC squaddies that they weren't so tough. Australian army 24 hour ratpacks in my day came with a small can of vegemite (about 2 oz) and we could never get our Yank mates to touch it but once. :-) True, but I never found an Australian who could stomach our C-ration Ham and Mothers. T sort of drift back OT, I am constantly amused by the names that soldiers give their government supplied rations. I seem to recall some rather colorful names that the British had for their rations in WWI. Skip ahead to my years and we also had some very colorful and slightly profane names for our C-rations, such as ham and mothers, beef and shrapnel, John Wayne bars, etc. I guess some things never change. Glen I'll take your word for it. Next time I'm overseas and desperate for a bit of flavour I'll eat a roof. > So how do you drink it? Dissolved in Fosters of course ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:54:46 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? Message-ID: I opened the box on the Lone Star 1/48 Felixstowe last night, and rummaged through the bits. Part of one wing is missing, but the whole thing is so scary it didn't even faze me. Instructions are on the order of: "Create and install interior detail." "Design and fabricate wing spar." "Buy a LOT of paint." Maybe an Eduard Albatros D.III, first... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:58:03 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: What are YOU Afraid to Build? Message-ID: <007401c0181b$3da9dda0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Brent asked > What are YOU Afraid to Build? > I'm interested in what kits have ya'll purchased that you won't start. It > would also be fun to discuss which kits were daunting but the modeler > persevered and completed. Some kits, I don't know if irreplaceable, but to daunting to start with, as: - A Breguet 14 vac (with dihedral already molded on the wings!) Geez how can I cut this from the sheet withuout ruining it? - A Novo Vickers Vimy: I like the plane, but I feel that the fuselage should be scratchbuilt, is very thick, but I don't feel like doing it. - An OOP Airfix Avro 504, for the same reasons as above. - A 50s vintage Revell kit of a 1913 Mercedes touring car. The kit is excellent, but the plastic is odd and I'm afraid to ruin it. Besides some "parts" of kits that I don't dare to scratch, as the undercarriage of the Bristol Fighter, or don't dare to paint, as the irregular, subdued lozenge on the Airfix Hannover fuselage (yes, I know, there are non-lozenged hannovers, but I WANT a lozenged machine!) D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:46:15 -0500 From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: !@#$%@!! Vegemite Message-ID: >Tom expostulated: > >>!@#$%!! Vegemite > >Hmm. !@#$%!! Vegemite. > I would rather continue the thread on Voss's Cowl in place of this, but both are a bit worn out by now. My delete button no longer has any thing on it as it has been pushed so much lately. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:05:38 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? Message-ID: <003701c0181c$4e80f900$1f2fb8a1@darcy> > Brent asked > > What are YOU Afraid to Build? The Beechnut DVIII Dale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:23:37 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: cast parts Message-ID: Dave, I will see to make pictures of my moulds as wel as of the parts that I casted. Then I will write an article about it. If Bob Pearson is interested I may write this article for the IM. Whaddya think, Bob? But I still don't know for what issue of what year I can have it ready :o). Btw: to all who are interested into tips about casting I higly recommand Sheperd Pains book "How to build dioramas". Buy the SECOND EDITION if ever possible! The master explains clearly what materials to use for casting your own parts. The big advantage for you people from "clipside of the big moist" is that he uses American products so you will certainly be able to buy the brands he is referring to. I only can talk about European products, which are similar indeed but you may get confused. more later Gaston > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > dfernet0 > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:56 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: cast parts > > > Gaston, Matt > I've tried, but I've never had much success in casting parts. Besides, > there's little that can be cast properly inside the cockpit. The > instrument > cases and bezels are better made from composite parts of different colors > than trying painting such little pieces. The control column can't be cast > completely, neither the rudder pedals. the seat? There's some > fine examples > already produced. The fuselage sides and floor? depends on the inner > contours of the model, so they have to be custom made, as the > bulkheads and > ammo bins... The only thing that I think that would be to some > use and still > properly cast is a good set of machine gun butts and the angled support > below, all in a piece. Of course, the support would have to be trimmed to > fit inside the fuselage, but that's easy. The rest are better > done in PE or > handmade. > What I really want to see is an Albatros fuselage whose lower wings don't > come attached with a section of the belly. Apart from the Eduard example, > ALL the Albatros kits I saw had gaps very difficult to fill and sand. I'd > prefer a weak attachment point (anyway it was like that in the real plane) > than fill holes and sand infinitely. If properly rigged by DURAS, wings > should resist some handling without getting loose. > IMHO > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt Bittner > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:56 PM > Subject: RE: D's D.II > > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:39:39 -0400 (EDT), Gaston Graf wrote: > > > > > to multiply parts why not making silocone moulds and casting > them either > in > > > resin or metal? I ran tests some years ago and was very satisfied with > the > > > results. This is especially useful when you need multiple parts of the > same > > > type. Build one master model and multiply it instead of wasting hours > > > building many. > > > > This is exactly what I mean. Plus we have a few list member's that are > > the "marketing type", so if it's good enough, you just never know... > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:15:42 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? Message-ID: > Brent asked > > What are YOU Afraid to Build? The Beechnut DVIII Dale ------------------------------ I thought that was what we ALL were afraid to build.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:28:38 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: German bombs Message-ID: Sugestion: Gimme info on bomb dimensions and types and I will cast them for you or anyone else who is interested. But you gotta pay me for my time indeed. Better is it to do the casting yourself because it is part of modeling and very fun too. Perhaps John Cyganowski could create some addon kits for WW1 aircraft? Bombs, interior detail sets, rockets??? Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Paul E. Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:02 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: German bombs > > > Hello all. I promise never to use the m(armite) word again. > Further to the > thread on casting pieces, does anyone know of a source of > suitable ordnance > for the Rareplanes 1/72 Gotha? The ones on the sheet are beyond > my ability > to use except as a guide, and it would be nice to use different sizes as > well. I could always use up some Milliput and plastic card but > rigging the > Gotha doesn't leave much spare energy unless absolutely needed > (OK, so I'm > a lazy so and so). TIA, even if the answers 'no'. > > Paul. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:29:21 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: German Bombers of WWI in Action Message-ID: Thanks for the info, Courtney. Will order one too. Gaston > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Courtney Allen > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:32 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: German Bombers of WWI in Action > > > Received the latest flyer from Squadron on Saturday. Their > "German Bombers > of WWI in Action" is available and on sale for $8.46 (item #SS1173). > Written by Peter Cooksley, 50 pages, 70m photos 6 colour profiles > and three > additional on covers. Aircraft covered are noted as AEG, Friedrichshafen, > Gotha and Zeppelin series. They are in stock. I ordered a copy and will > give an other overview once it arrives. > Courtney > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:41:46 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? Message-ID: Howdy! Lance wrote: >I opened the box on the Lone Star 1/48 Felixstowe last night, and rummaged through the >bits. Part of one wing is missing, but the whole thing is so scary it didn't even faze >me. That beast must be a terror then! You are one person I wasn't expecting to hear comment on this thread. I doubt if RK will comment either. >Instructions are on the order of: >"Create and install interior detail." >"Design and fabricate wing spar." >"Buy a LOT of paint." Hah hah! It sounds close to our standing joke... "Refer to box art. Model is complete when it looks like this." >Maybe an Eduard Albatros D.III, first... Truly an un-intimidating model. :) Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:59:19 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/6/00 10:37:37 AM EST, Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com writes: << TC Models Vickers Vimy >> You are definitely right to fear this model. The only thing more fearsome is the Shorts 184 and the Felixstowe from the same place - no, as fearsome, not more. TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:09:56 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Show report Message-ID: <000201c01824$6b5696e0$b35808c3@mesh> Merrill, !/72 Be2a 'amazingly delicate looking' sounds like the old Phoenix kit. (Vacform, of course, what else?). Somewhere in the Work in Progress pile I have one I am converting back to a Be2. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Show report > 1/72, and amazingly delicate looking, CDL with all the 'shadow' of interior > formers shown, hope someone got a picture. > Merrill > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:59:10 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Farman HF 20 details Message-ID: <000301c01824$6bec2020$b35808c3@mesh> Charlie, Coming direct to you later are 5 photos of the HF20 in the Grande Galerie, showing the motor mounting and several other details including the instrument layout. Look carefully for this or you will miss it ! Points to note are the rather attractive blue paint on the metalwork, which appears to be the Museums standard and is used on most of their aircraft. I do not think this is original. Secondly the undercarriage drawn in the FMP book is, I believe, that for the HF16 as it differs from that on the Museums aircraft and indeed from the photos in the book. I would suggest that the Harleyford book is more correct for the HF20 also. Not shown in the photos I am sending is an additional strut under the wing connecting the undercarriage legs front and rear. If you need any further help please let me know. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 2:19 AM Subject: Farman HF 20 or HF 22 details > Am looking at building a Henry Farman HF 20 from the ICM Muromet wings and > horizonal tail with wheels, struts and 80 hp Gnome from the Pyro Boxkite. > Have the plans from the FMP scaled up to 1/48th. 3/4 views of the front of > this aircraft aren't a problem but I can't seem to find anything that shows > how the engine was mounted to the rear of the nacelle. Does anyone on the > list have shots of this aircraft in the Paris La Grande Galerie museum > they'd be willing to scan or are their any diagrams around that show more > details than the Harleyford book or the FMP French book? > > Thanks, Charlie > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:03:57 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? Message-ID: <200009061703.KAA01491@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:11:29 -0400 (EDT), Dale Beamish wrote: > > Brent asked > > > What are YOU Afraid to Build? > > The Beechnut DVIII I'm not afraid of it, it's just a piece 'o you-know-what! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:03:31 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What are YOU Afraid to Build? Message-ID: <9b.a013e0b.26e7d2e3@aol.com> In a message dated 9/6/00 10:37:37 AM EST, Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com writes: << I'm interested in what kits have ya'll purchased that you won't start. It would also be fun to discuss which kits were daunting but the modeler persevered and completed. >> Anything by JMGT other than the WW1 models. The three TC Models kits referred to - Vimy, Shorts 184, Felixstowe. Dogmeat. The MPM Fw-200. Rotted Dogmeat! Daunting but completed - just about anything released by MPM,. though their more recent releases are getting better. The HiTech P-63 and Mystere IVA (ok, theiy're ot, but they're what they are). TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:03:15 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: 1000th Camel? Message-ID: <001301c01824$5c948360$a32eb8a1@darcy> I have been told someone on the list had done a beautiful Rushton-Procter 1000th Camel and had a full set of colour photos from a contemporary press brochure showing the machine from all angles. Would that person please contact me off list? I can be reached at: lozenge1@telusplanet.net Thanks Dale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:09:43 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanover CL-III Message-ID: <43.9edc318.26e7d457@aol.com> Yes, Eduard did, a few years back, there are still some around, there's one still in stock at one of the local shops here. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:11:29 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Hannover Cl-IIIa Message-ID: <003f01c01825$8f3a67c0$9391aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shannon" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:48 AM Subject: Hannover Cl-IIIa > Eduard did make a Hannover Cl-IIIa, the Argus-engined version. > > On the other hand, it is the only 1/48th scale Hannover out there. BZZZZZTTT!!! WRONG! You are forgetting the wonderful 1/48 CL.IIIa by Koster Aero Enterprises, and it may still be available thru GreatModels Webstore. DB ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2617 **********************