WWI Digest 2616 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Vegemite by "Tom Solinski" 2) Currently working on by "Matthew Bittner" 3) RE: Vegemite by Shane Weier 4) Re: German Titles by "Michael S. Alvarado" 5) Albatross DIII by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) 6) Re: Albatros DIII by "David Calhoun" 7) ISO: Capture of Ni. 17 N1831 by skarver@banet.net 8) Jasta 19 Dr1 by "Patrick Gilmore" 9) RE: Permanent Ink for Decals on Bubblejet by "cameron rile" 10) Re: Things To Do On a HOT Day in Texas by "Douglas R. Jones" 11) Re: Permanent Ink for Decals on Bubblejet by Dan 12) Re: Vegemite by Dan 13) Vegemite by "Paul E. Thompson" 14) !@#$%@!! Vegemite by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 15) RE: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby by "Gaston Graf" 16) RE: !@#$%@!! Vegemite by Shane Weier 17) RE: Vegemite by "Gaston Graf" 18) Re: German Titles by David Fleming 19) The color ref by "Morten Henriksen Dalan" 20) RE: Albatros DIII by "dfernet0" 21) cast parts by "dfernet0" 22) for the fihgure modelers by "dfernet0" 23) Re: !@#$%@!! Vegemite by Sharon Henderson 24) Re: cast parts by "Matt Bittner" 25) Latest Pegasus by "Matt Bittner" 26) Albatros C-III Decals by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 27) RE: WW 1 video by John & Allison Cyganowski 28) Hanover CL-III by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 29) Re: The color ref by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:36:20 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Vegemite Message-ID: <000e01c017a2$dbe48020$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> > For the North Americans on the list, you can order Vegemite and all manner of food > stuffs Australian, like Tim-tams, Milo, Fan-tales etc etc from the Australian Catalog Company > in North Carolina. Their website stinks, http://www.aussiecatalog.com/index.htm but their > paper catalog is ok. It is where I get my periodic Red Cross packages from :) Is it printed upside down? Does it open the wrong way round too? A Yank diving for the solid but soiled protection of the Seppo Tom S OKC A Yank diving for the solid but soiled protection of the Seppo! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:44:26 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Currently working on Message-ID: <200009060144.SAA28136@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Geez, first it's Voss, now it's Vegemite... FWIW, I'm currently working on a Hawkeye Fokker Dr.I that is being finished as the Jasta 11 machine with the turquoise rear fuselage, and the swastika's on the sides and turtledeck. I only have the rigging and the coming ALPS decals to finish it. I've decided to pull out the two Toko/Rosemont HB D.I's and am again working on those. First coat of paint on most parts, and I'm sanding off a lot of it. This is the "dustiest" spray I have had in quite awhile... After that, there are at least four off topics for me, then it's back to two more Dr.I's... One of which will be another surprise... So, let's please get back to what this list is all about - WW1 modeling!!! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:45:40 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Vegemite Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C716219E7@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Tom > > Is it printed upside down? Yes, so that Yanks can read it. Aussies are used to reading stuff printed upside down in the Northern hemisphere. > A Yank diving for the solid but soiled protection of the Seppo You're hiding behind another Yank? A particularly thick one I suppose ;-) Shane (I hasten to add that "Seppo" or "Septic" as Aussie slang for a Yank is NOT an insult. It's simply rhyming slang - Septic Tank => Yank. Nothing at all to do with you being full of sh*t, is it Cam :-) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 21:45:17 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: German Titles Message-ID: <39B5A1AB.9F6D666E@bellatlantic.net> No one as imminent as Linus Pauling but in 1980 I had a wonderful lunch with one Frank Whittle of turojet fame. One of the most charming little Brits I ever met. Just came over and sat down at the table where I was having my lunch in the cafeteria at work where he had just given a guest lecture. It was the one of the best and most quickly elapsed half hour I have ever had (except maybe in bed). Alvie smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > (At this point I have met 9 Nobel Laureates, with one of them being the > > double Laureate, Linus Pauling. > > I was fortunate enough to meet Linus Paulng when I was a young man. He beat > me soundly in a game of chess. A facinating and friendly person. > sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 21:15:11 -0500 From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Albatross DIII Message-ID: Thank you gentlemen. I wasn't looking in the right place. I see the fuselage difference now, and agree with you all. All I had to do was back out of the forest enough to see the trees. Thanks for the snap back to reality. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:25:25 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Albatros DIII Message-ID: <021001c017c2$de4f3100$330b3ccc@oemcomputer> Might be a good idea to kitbash the eduard DV interior, engine, wings, landing gear tailplane etc with the Revell or ESCI D.III fuselage. The D.III has a flat sided fuselage and the D.V is oval shaped. Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Albatros DIII >In a message dated 9/5/00 8:21:49 PM EST, huggins1@swbell.net writes: > ><< I can't see the change in the > fuselage shape. The Eduard and Revell fuselage halves mate up except > got the lower wing attachment area/ > >> > >There is a huge difference in shape between the D.III and D.V, IMHO, too much >of a difference for you to be able to backdate a D.V - you would have an >easier time scratchbuilding it. Since I think there are now some 1/72 D.III >kits available, that would be the way to go. > >TC > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:41:45 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: ISO: Capture of Ni. 17 N1831 Message-ID: <017801c017a3$9fa877a0$04706420@stephen> Can any List-lander provide more detail about the capture of Ltn. Santa Maria's aircraft than in the DF? In specific, I'm looking for date of capture. TIA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:47:17 -0400 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: "WW1 Mailing List" Subject: Jasta 19 Dr1 Message-ID: <01a801c017ac$c6669800$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> Hello, There are several pictures of a Jasta 19 lineup of Fokker DrIs that include a machine marked with the typical Jasta tail and cowl colors, but also a larger numeral "4" on the side. I was wondering if there was any record of who the pilot was for this aircraft? My very limited resources give no clue here. Thanks! Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:11:45 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Permanent Ink for Decals on Bubblejet Message-ID: <843DED3407384D115AC40005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com> >You have to buy special decal paper for ink-jet printers (eg. microformat) >and a special protective varnish spray. Both items are available at >www.paper-paper.com as a starter kit, which costs ca. US$ 20. Thnaks Tomasz. I tried coating the ink tonight with future but it still bled, but not as much as gloss or water bled it. The black ink just isnt up to it. Will buy some stronger ink as you suggested. Oddly enough the red decals I printed in the same process survived the water fine. Apart from the D5390/17 decal my cook-up is finished :) cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:26:11 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Things To Do On a HOT Day in Texas Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000905222330.00a255c0@mail> At 07:00 PM 9/5/00 -0400, you wrote: I know what this Texan is going to do! I am escaping to Old Rhinebeck this coming weekend. It's time for the 34th Annual Rhinebeck Jamboree! Nothing like a weekend of models and full scalers! hear the weather in upstate New York if cool and nice! I can't wait! Look me up if you are in the neighborhood. Saturday I will be in my black Texas R/C Modelers shirt prowling the pits. If a buddy brings his models I'll be doing some flying Hope to see you there! Doug -------------------------------------------------- Douglas R. Jones 972-394-4332 'I am a traveler of both Time and Space' Led Zeppelin -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 23:30:25 -0400 From: Dan To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Permanent Ink for Decals on Bubblejet Message-ID: <39B5BA51.9B87EC39@mindspring.com> If you like, I could try and print the decals up for you. My ALPS 1000 works pretty well, as long as you're not looking for finely blended colors. Just drop me an e-mail. Dan cameron rile wrote: > >You have to buy special decal paper for ink-jet printers (eg. microformat) > >and a special protective varnish spray. Both items are available at > >www.paper-paper.com as a starter kit, which costs ca. US$ 20. > > Thnaks Tomasz. I tried coating the ink tonight with future but it still bled, but not as much as > gloss or water bled it. The black ink just isnt up to it. Will buy some stronger ink as you > suggested. Oddly enough the red decals I printed in the same process survived the water fine. > > Apart from the D5390/17 decal my cook-up is finished :) > > cam > AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm > > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 23:33:21 -0400 From: Dan To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vegemite Message-ID: <39B5BB01.177E8E82@mindspring.com> Shane Weier wrote: > Chris asks: > > > << Vegemite >> > > > > What exactly is this stuff? A soy product? > > > > Gack. God no. It's made from dead yeast. We have a lot of that left over > from beer production. Staple diet mate, beer and vegemite. I believe Marmite is made from yeast as well. My Scottish neighbors in Brazil (long story) used to eat it spread on an apple, and occasionally made Marmite "tea." It smelled.....potent. Dan > > > Shane > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 08:18:41 +0200 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Vegemite Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000906080923.00ad5990@pop.xs4all.nl> At 09:36 PM 5/9/00 -0400, you wrote: >Chris asks: > > > > << Vegemite >> > > > > What exactly is this stuff? A soy product? > > > >Gack. God no. It's made from dead yeast. We have a lot of that left over >from beer production. Staple diet mate, beer and vegemite. > >Shane > > >Whereas Marmite is made from salt and malt extract. In that order by >volume, probably. Like warm beer, cricket and the colour of Voss's cowl, >it's one of those things you form an opinion about early in life. It's a >veggie version of Bovril, which is in all respects the same except that it >is made out of bits of cows, and at least in Birmingham where I come from >was regarded, like lentil soup and Lucozade, as an invalid drink if (with >much effort) dissolved in hot water. I suppose it would be better in warm >Guinness with a raw egg, but would rather take on von R flying a Spanish >ommelet armed with a Bowie knife.... > > >Paul. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 02:27:04 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: !@#$%@!! Vegemite Message-ID: <96.947b1b0.26e73db8@aol.com> Everybody knows Australians are crazy! Is it surprising they eat wierder food than US southerners do??? :-) !@#$%!! enough already!!!! TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:33:34 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby Message-ID: Absolutely my opinion, Shane! That's why they are shacking their heads and start crying when I say that I can see rigging in that scale :o). Gaston > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Shane Weier > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:49 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby > > > Gaston says: > > > > I know people who do not rigg even the "big" 1/48th models > > because they > > believe the rigging was so fine it would be just invisible in > > that scale. > > Can you see nylon monofilament? I can. And it *is* in scale in 1/48, > sometimes even undersized. > > Can you see rigging in photos *way* smaller than 1/48? I can. > > They're just plain wrong > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:04:57 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: !@#$%@!! Vegemite Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C716219E9@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> TC, > Everybody knows Australians are crazy! Guilty M'lud. > !@#$%!! enough already!!!! Just for that I won't tell you about the neato ot exhibits at the Air Museum where I intend to spend my Friday morning layover in Darwin. Rustle, rustle.....crash....curses.... Matt !! Where the hell is that tongue poking emoticon when I need it! Shane (Yes, crazy. Spent last Sunday making round louvred panels for an LVG - with real aluminium and with real louvres. Paint on the Snipe has to dry sometime) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:46:53 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Vegemite Message-ID: Now I know what strange liquid they used to paint the Voss cowl! That vegestuff mixed with some raw eggs certainly made that cowl look perfectly YELLOW but because no film could catch it the cowl appeared all dark olive on the pictures. Glad the mistery of the Voss' cowls paint is now solved! If somebody will find the secret of the formula of this "paint" we finally can paint all our Voss model cowls the same way. No other model will be looking more realistic than our Voss models :o)! tataaaaaaaaa... Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Paul E. Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:27 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Vegemite > > > At 09:36 PM 5/9/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Chris asks: > > > > > > > << Vegemite >> > > > > > > What exactly is this stuff? A soy product? > > > > > > >Gack. God no. It's made from dead yeast. We have a lot of that left over > >from beer production. Staple diet mate, beer and vegemite. > > > >Shane > > > > > >Whereas Marmite is made from salt and malt extract. In that order by > >volume, probably. Like warm beer, cricket and the colour of Voss's cowl, > >it's one of those things you form an opinion about early in life. It's a > >veggie version of Bovril, which is in all respects the same > except that it > >is made out of bits of cows, and at least in Birmingham where I > come from > >was regarded, like lentil soup and Lucozade, as an invalid drink > if (with > >much effort) dissolved in hot water. I suppose it would be > better in warm > >Guinness with a raw egg, but would rather take on von R flying a Spanish > >ommelet armed with a Bowie knife.... > > > > > >Paul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:19:37 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: German Titles Message-ID: <39B5FE18.21A3CC11@dial.pipex.com> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > (At this point I have met 9 Nobel Laureates, with one of them being the > > double Laureate, Linus Pauling. > > I was fortunate enough to meet Linus Paulng when I was a young man. He beat > me soundly in a game of chess. A facinating and friendly person. I've never met (to my knowledge) any Nobel laureates, but one of my Profs at Uni, Prof Pauson, was rumoured to have been 'in the running' due to his involvement in organo-metallics & ferrocene in particular. legend was that he missed out because he made a small mistake in the structure. Nice guy (Another Austrian IIRC), but a terrible lecturer. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:10:31 +0200 From: "Morten Henriksen Dalan" To: Subject: The color ref Message-ID: <001701c017e2$4ed985a0$0201a8c0@online.no> I am building a Fokker DVII in Jasta 18 and with Lozenge under wings. according to anthology 1 from Albartos pub. they refer to a color code "Methuen ref" what type of color ref is this? Were can I order colors for a RC plane, with this ref. Morten ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:07:29 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Albatros DIII Message-ID: <00a301c017ea$4433b780$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> John Dave's idea is a good one. There's no use for Revell DIII wings (ESCI's wings are worse) having a neat set from an Eduard D.V, along with struts and all. IIRC, the Eduard's undercarriage struts are a bit short, even more noticeable for a D.III ,whose fuselage outline is different from a D.V, so the attachment points are located on different places. I've modified an Esci fuselage to do my Alb. D.I and it was quite a chore to make those sides to be perfectly flat, specially arond and inside the cockpit. Besides, Revell and Esci fuselages must be widened a bit in its mid-section and sharpened at the tail. I cut a notch with a razor saw from the stabilizer "groove" of the fuselage to let's say the midst of the cross insignia location. I inserted a small styrene wedge (about 7 mm wide) inside and joined the split tail ends with MEK, clamping them until completely dry. Complicated, huh? Unfortunately I haven't took pictures of that stage, some shots of the interior can be seen at Al's page. Or you can build a Pegasus kit OOB (Are those still on sale?). Or you can wait a while and build a Roden or an Eduard D.III OOB. Your choice. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Calhoun To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Albatros DIII > Might be a good idea to kitbash the eduard DV interior, engine, wings, > landing gear tailplane etc with the Revell or ESCI D.III fuselage. The > D.III has a flat sided fuselage and the D.V is oval shaped. > Dave Calhoun ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:49:24 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: cast parts Message-ID: <01dc01c017f0$212d9840$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Gaston, Matt I've tried, but I've never had much success in casting parts. Besides, there's little that can be cast properly inside the cockpit. The instrument cases and bezels are better made from composite parts of different colors than trying painting such little pieces. The control column can't be cast completely, neither the rudder pedals. the seat? There's some fine examples already produced. The fuselage sides and floor? depends on the inner contours of the model, so they have to be custom made, as the bulkheads and ammo bins... The only thing that I think that would be to some use and still properly cast is a good set of machine gun butts and the angled support below, all in a piece. Of course, the support would have to be trimmed to fit inside the fuselage, but that's easy. The rest are better done in PE or handmade. What I really want to see is an Albatros fuselage whose lower wings don't come attached with a section of the belly. Apart from the Eduard example, ALL the Albatros kits I saw had gaps very difficult to fill and sand. I'd prefer a weak attachment point (anyway it was like that in the real plane) than fill holes and sand infinitely. If properly rigged by DURAS, wings should resist some handling without getting loose. IMHO D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:56 PM Subject: RE: D's D.II > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:39:39 -0400 (EDT), Gaston Graf wrote: > > > to multiply parts why not making silocone moulds and casting them either in > > resin or metal? I ran tests some years ago and was very satisfied with the > > results. This is especially useful when you need multiple parts of the same > > type. Build one master model and multiply it instead of wasting hours > > building many. > > This is exactly what I mean. Plus we have a few list member's that are > the "marketing type", so if it's good enough, you just never know... > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:43:56 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" Subject: for the fihgure modelers Message-ID: <01f901c017f7$bd85d700$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I've seen advertised on the October issue of FSM a book calle "The Kaiser's Army" or somtehing like that that looks very nice. The price, however, is a bit high. Has any listee see this "on the flesh"? Is is worth spending on it? TIA D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:36:17 -0400 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: !@#$%@!! Vegemite Message-ID: Tom expostulated: >!@#$%!! Vegemite Hmm. !@#$%!! Vegemite. Isn't that the color of Shane's warbird? Or is it his whole Squadron that paints it this color? And does his plane have a face on the front? And is !@#$%!! Vegemite in the same colour family as MvR's !@#$%!! red? :-) Sharon, Who had far too little sleep last night ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 07:47:41 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: cast parts Message-ID: <200009061248.FAA27568@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> I'm snipping the whole message because I just wanted to say a few things. It really doesn't matter how "small" or "thin" the pieces are, they still can be cast. If you haven't seen the resin currently coming from Rosemont and Hawkeye, the "thinness" and "smallness" of the resin pieces is amazing. The level of detail unsurpassed. While I can understand the basic way you feel about the sidewall detail, the way Hawkeye casts this sort of thing is to provide the detail on a very thin "wafer", so you attached the whole "wafer" to the cockpit sides. No need for a True Details-type "tub" insert. Another example of excellent resin casting lies in the (off topic) AML Hawk 75. The entire cockpit is resin cast (minus the cockpit sides) and they were able to get the resin cockpit to have most of the knobs, switches and what-not molded in-situ with the rest of the "tub". In fact, while washing the resin cockpit, I accidentally broke off a very small "adjustment stick" for the seat. This was smaller and thinner then your control column. I believe everything you have scratched for the cockpit would be able to be resin cast with no problem. One piece that really stuck out was the ammo container. That is a definite for resin casting, although everything else could be as well. So, people, whenever you get the urge to scratch cockpit parts (or other things, like bombs, etc. (which we sorely need for WW1 aircraft modeling)) check with the list to see if anybody would be willing to resin cast. Maybe one of the "commercial" list member's could cast them up and sell them (are you listening Grigorovich-builder? ;-). Just my inflated US$.02... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:11:24 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Latest Pegasus Message-ID: <200009061411.HAA25171@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> According to their site, Pegasus' DH4 is now available. Unfortunately the site doesn't have images yet of the model. That means the SPAD 12 is next. Woo hoo!!!!!!!!!!!! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:11:33 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Albatros C-III Decals Message-ID: <85256952.004E4961.00@hysoft-gateway1.hyperion.com> Hi All, I was wondering if anyone makes the correct decals for the A;batros C-III dragon/crocodile decals? Eduard's kit has the dragon on both sides.... TIA Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:14:24 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: WW 1 video Message-ID: <01C017EB.516FAAC0.janah@worldnet.att.net> On of the most intriguing portions of this video was the footage on the Albatros assembly. They finish on the wood as it left the factory was very glossy. I also suspect that the take off footage of the Albatros D.II shows Boelcke either testing or taking delivery of 386/16. Curious, no serial. Was the movie film that was used also orthochromatic? John Cyg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:13:56 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Hanover CL-III Message-ID: <85256952.004E8143.00@hysoft-gateway1.hyperion.com> Hi All, Did Eduard or any other manufacturer put out a 1/48 scale Hanover Cl-III???? Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:39:31 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The color ref Message-ID: Methuen is an out-of-print color standard. As it is not German from the proper time period, it is an arbitrary guide to colors, and no better or worse than using Munsell (also hard to find) or using RLM color guides, American FS (Federal Standard) or Pantone. As Pantone is used by most graphic and printing (incl decal makers) people worldwide, and has as many color variations as Munsell/Methuen on their best days, I wish people would stop using Methuen as most of can't afford a copy of the Methuen book if we could find it. And no one I know of bases their paint/dope on this standard. Someone once wrote me and asked for the exact FS number for the red on MvR's Dr.I. You just can't do it, Germans during the "OT" (On Topic) period were not basing their colors on an "ot" (off topic) standard from 50 years later. Sometimes I think you are better off basing your colors on artwork that Bob Pearson, Dan-San Abbott, Ray Rimell and others (with skill/talent) have done. You might note that Peter Grosz states in the Windsock Datafiles that he authors that he has nothing to do with the "Colors" section - he won't get into discussions on what shade green part A is, and part B is this color green, as seen in a B&W photo. At this point I think the best bet might be to get the "Misterkit" acrylic paint from Italy and use that, or base your dopes (for RC flying) on those colors - they are getting pretty high marks. Sorry for the rant - but I really don't like references to Methuen. Brian Nicklas Archives Division, Room 3148 National Air and Space Museum Smithsonian Institution Washington, DC 20560-0322 USA 1-202-357-3133 (telephone) 1-202-786-2835 (telefax) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2616 **********************