WWI Digest 2613 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) R&R by "Leonard Endy" 2) RE: Things To Do On a HOT Day in Texas by "Gaston Graf" 3) RE: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby by "Gaston Graf" 4) RE: Things To Do On a HOT Day in Texas by "Gaston Graf" 5) RE: Permanent Ink for Decals on Bubblejet by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 6) RE: a paint question from the chemically challenged people by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 7) RE: a paint question from the chemically challenged people by "Gaston Graf" 8) Re:engine spin by "D Charles" 9) Re: Permanent Ink for Decals on Bubblejet by Dan 10) Re: Permanent Ink for Decals on Bubblejet by "Matt Bittner" 11) Re: WW 1 video by Allan Wright 12) Re: WW 1 video by "Dale Sebring" 13) Re: engine spin by Lee Mensinger 14) Vegemite by "Paul E. Thompson" 15) Re: Vegemite by "Michael Kendix" 16) RE: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby by "Michael Kendix" 17) Show report by MAnde72343@aol.com 18) Re: engine spin by "David C. Fletcher" 19) re: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby by "Mark Shannon" 20) Re: Show report by "Michael Kendix" 21) Re: Gun sights by MAnde72343@aol.com 22) Re: Show report by MAnde72343@aol.com 23) your book by "Gaston Graf" 24) re: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby by "Michael Kendix" 25) Re: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby by MAnde72343@aol.com 26) RE: engine spin by "Gaston Graf" 27) Re: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 28) D's D.II by "Matt Bittner" 29) Re: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby by "Michael Kendix" 30) Re: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby by MAnde72343@aol.com 31) RE: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 07:29:38 -0400 From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: R&R Message-ID: Off for a short vacation and it looks as though the humidity has finally moved out of Virginia. Hopefully I can get the Alb painted this weekend...the deadline draws near.... Len ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:30:42 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Things To Do On a HOT Day in Texas Message-ID: Mike, do you pay water bills per month or per semester in the US? Here in Luxembourg we pay per semester. Our regular bill containing water consumption, garbage rebuff plus the sewage system dues rarely exceed 180$ per 6 months. Usually we have a lot of water reserves because there is a lot of rain coming down here. Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > Make an offer. Can't cost much more than I'm paying for water now. My > last water bill was $141.00, mother-in-law's was $328.00. At 93, she's > pretty independent and nobody's going to tell her when she can and can't > water her lawn. She's been visited twice by the police telling her to > turn her sprinkler system off. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:30:43 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby Message-ID: Brent, glad to hear that in your corner of the world the kids seem to be more interested into model building than they are here. Since years our LMC - the Luxembourg Model Club, member of the IPMS - faces the problems of desinterest of the youth. Occasionally we met some who seemed interested but they lost interest again soon. By my own experiences I can tell that I rarely meet young people who build models. In the past years I met only one, who recently became a locomotive engineer like me. The boy is already 22, building mostly cars and WWII tanks. But honesty said I do also believe that one of the reasons why the youngsters lost interest are the LMC members themselfs. Through the past 7 years the club developed more and more to a sheet metal toys collectors association rather than a real modeling club. I personally left the club too because I found no inspiration there anymore. Members was boring and often ignorant. I still remember that dude who organizes the yearly sheet metal toy exhibition... A very arrogant guy who simply ignores model builders. He himself collects nothing but finished beetle car models and toys. I brought my figure of a 120mm B17 crew member to the club to show it to the other members. All was very impressed, expressing me their acknowledgment, but that guy said nothing and nearly topped it over as he grabbed a modelzine laying next to it on the table. I was so upset that I had trouble holding my fist back for it would have slammed right into his face. There aren't many real model builders in this country anyway. Most popular models are WW2 military and aircraft as well as cars but the Great War is something most poeple aren't interested in, that's why I have to order my models from mail order stores in most cases. with kind regards Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 1:43 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby > > > Greets! > > I spent a good portion of Saturday building models with some youngsters at > our local model show, Nordic-Con. Thanks to Merrill Anderson the kids were > able to build a couple Triplanes, an Albatross D.III, at least one Roland > and the Hannover. Overall the children were more interested in ot subjects > but at least a few of them tried the WWI aircraft. The kids that did build > seemed very enthusiastic about model building. They liked it! A few of the > kids built more than one. A certain over achiever built four and swindled > John Roll of Rollmodels out of a fifth! Although I didn't keep track I > figure we had at around a dozen kids and we built at least twenty models. > My only regret is we didn't reach any kids that don't already > build models. > All these kids build with their Dads already. Still, I think it bodes well > for our hobby that these kids were more than happy to sit down > with an odd, > bearded, stranger and build models for a couple of hours. > > Special thanks again to list member Merrill Anderson for donating 15 kits > for our Make-N-Take program. He really saved our rear ends because the > original Make-N-Take coordinator dropped the ball. If it wasn't > for Merrill > and other generous members of the Twin Cities Aero Historians we wouldn't > have had a Make-N-Take at all. (I could be a rap star for all the > rhyming I > do... Sheesh!) > > Later! > > Brent > > My condolences to Steve on a great collection lost. Best wishes in > resolving the problem. > > My own (small in relation) bad news is some ****ing idiot pushed my > friend's motorcycle as well as mine over during dinner last night. If I > could've seen and caught those miserable pukes there would've been Hell to > pay. Grrrr! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:30:45 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Things To Do On a HOT Day in Texas Message-ID: I wonder how you people can survive in such environnement :o)? Here everybody seem to melt like a chocolate bunny as soon as the temperature approaches the 30°C mark. At 47°C my overclocked PII would certainly overheat. Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Lee Mensinger > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:45 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Things To Do On a HOT Day in Texas > > > Bob, If you have a really long pipe I have a fan. We hit 47.5C > on my patio at > 3:00pm. > Maybe we can work out a deal. Yeah. I do know that 47.5 is > 117.5 Fahrenheit. > I was there at the time and noticed. > > Paint dries real quick. It almost sprays lozenge and dries on the way. > Today we win. Tomorrow the Aussies. I hope > > Lee M. > > Bob Pearson wrote: > > > > Well, I got y'all beat. We peaked at 111F today, fifth > hotest day ever > > > in the Fort Worth-Dallas area. > > > > Geez, yer all a pile of whiners. . :-) > > > > We hit a high of 15°C today with about 90% humidity .. and that > is almost a > > summer high .. geez Australia's winter has been warmer. > > > > Bob, > > in Prince Rupert BC where the water is free .. but it is the > heat that costs > > here. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:28:21 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: Permanent Ink for Decals on Bubblejet Message-ID: Hello Cameron, Well, there are ink-jet printers advertised as having waterproof printout. My own Canon BJC-7100 belong to them. But it doesn't mean that the printout will stick to decal paper hardly enough to withstand decal application procedure. It means that printed colors won't blend if a drop of water will have be poured onto the sheet. Alps printers do not use ink but rubber-like chemical medium being applied using some thermal methods. Anyhow it is possible to prepare water-proof decals using ink-jet as well. You have to buy special decal paper for ink-jet printers (eg. microformat) and a special protective varnish spray. Both items are available at www.paper-paper.com as a starter kit, which costs ca. US$ 20. After printing the design onto the decal paper you have to give the decal a coat or two of protective varnish. It will prevent the printout from washing off. Anyway I have observed that the varnish tends sometimes to dissolve printed ink, and in consquence may cause bluring and blending of the colors. In order to prevent it you should apply a coat of immortal Future over the printout before spraying the decal with protective varnish. If you are in hurry and you haven't protective spray, try to protect decal with Future overspray only and treat it with water very delicately. So far I have printed many ink-jet decals with great success. The only disadvantage of this solution is that, unlike Alps, ink-jet printers are unable to print white color, and therefore decals are perfectly transparent. In order to achieve opaque markings you have to print them onto white decal paper or to paint white background before decal application. hth Tomasz ----------R-E-K-L-A-M-A------------ Profesjonalny Serwis Gieldowy: Pelne dane online wprost z GPW http://biznes.interia.pl/notowania/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:31:41 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: a paint question from the chemically challenged people Message-ID: > As I turned on the dryer, the air jet wiped one of the wheels out of the > table, and landed on the carpet, where its stckiness caught firm hold of dog > hair, styrene shavings, dirt and forgotten PE bits. Diego, you have just discovered "forced weathering" method ;o) Tomasz ----------R-E-K-L-A-M-A------------ Profesjonalny Serwis Gieldowy: Pelne dane online wprost z GPW http://biznes.interia.pl/notowania/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:34:18 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: a paint question from the chemically challenged people Message-ID: Ouch... that hurts! Don't tell me now that you are using a dustbuster to clean your working aera from sanding dust while the parts are still on it :o). Gaston > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > dfernet0 > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:04 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: a paint question from the chemically challenged people > > > Tyre report of the day: > Yesterday when I arrived home I checked the parts on the table. They still > were sticky. Loss for loss, I tought on being a bit aggresive and > shoot them > with the hair dryer (hey, here's no Texas). > As I turned on the dryer, the air jet wiped one of the wheels out of the > table, and landed on the carpet, where its stckiness caught firm > hold of dog > hair, styrene shavings, dirt and forgotten PE bits. > Should I add that the wheels are now replaced and painted in acrylics? > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gaston Graf > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 6:53 AM > Subject: RE: a paint question from the chemically challenged people > > > > Oh if the surface of the rubber wasn't softened yet there is a chance to > > wipe the parts clean and restart painting with acryls. > > > > Good luck! > > > > GG ;o) > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:58:27 +1000 From: "D Charles" To: Subject: Re:engine spin Message-ID: <092f01c01731$2cf58c60$e32bd7d2@charls> >As far as I know most aircraft >engines turn clockwise (view from the pilots seat) The GENERAL guide here with old engines is British engines turn anti-, US engines turn clockwise, and anything else is a licence built version of one of the above. Check history before applying rudder trim. :-) David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:15:42 -0400 From: Dan To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Permanent Ink for Decals on Bubblejet Message-ID: <39B4E3EE.171D09B7@mindspring.com> cameron rile wrote: > Ive spent the morning creating the "D5390/17" decal for my Cook-up Albatros. I have the right > size printout on decal sheet and the clarity I want but..... the ink isnt permanent and is > bleeding to nothing once the decal is bathed in water. What ink types do the Alps printers use > that is permanent ink? The ALPS printers use "dry" ink. I don't know what they're made of, but I've created several decals sets with my MD-1000, and they work like normal decals. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 07:21:01 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Permanent Ink for Decals on Bubblejet Message-ID: <200009051220.FAA00153@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:16:07 -0400 (EDT), Dan wrote: > The ALPS printers use "dry" ink. I don't know what they're made of, but I've created several > decals sets with my MD-1000, and they work like normal decals. I believe they're a wax-type ink. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WW 1 video Message-ID: <200009051246.IAA02834@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Has anyone purchased the 4 vol. video set "Four Years of Thunder" ? I was > thinking of getting this set and wondered if it was worth it. I believe ~$60 > USD. Four years of Thunder is definately a must-have, if only for the WWI newsreal footage contained in it. There is plenty in there to justify the cost. I'm sure there are some inaccuracies in it, but all in all great info. I believe that it is somewhere around 4 hours long (4 1 hour episodes) so that could justify the high cost, must come on at least 2 casettes, more likely 4. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:14:32 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: WW 1 video Message-ID: <003501c01743$9ec2fb40$71b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Courtney Allen" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 3:04 PM Subject: Re: WW 1 video > Yes, I have a copy. Great series! I feel its worth it. > Courtney > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale Sebring" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 11:53 AM > Subject: WW 1 video > > > > Dear Listies, > > Has anyone purchased the 4 vol. video set "Four Years of Thunder" ? I was > > thinking of getting this set and wondered if it was worth it. I believe > ~$60 > > USD. > > > > Thank you for the help, > > > > Dale S. > > > > Thanks to all for the feed back-Now I will order the video. Dale S. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 09:31:54 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: engine spin Message-ID: <39B503D9.376B2E84@x25.net> Look at the propeller and you can usually tell. Most of the time upside down is obvious. Look at photos they are always filled with clues. The Model making company can be wrong when they make the molds to cast the prop. Hardly anyone sells left or right handed props for modelers. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX D Charles wrote: > >As far as I know most aircraft > >engines turn clockwise (view from the pilots seat) > > The GENERAL guide here with old engines is British engines turn anti-, US > engines turn clockwise, and anything else is a licence built version of one > of the above. Check history before applying rudder trim. :-) > > David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:43:24 +0200 From: "Paul E. Thompson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Vegemite Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000905173902.00a8af00@pop.xs4all.nl> Shane, >You'd imagine so when you see the expression of most who try it. Yanks, >Kiwis, Canucks too. Is it our fault that no-one else has any taste? Anyway, your supposed to drink it, not eat it (unless your under 3 years old, in which case you spread it on your soldiers and dip it in your egg). And I used black and white film of course, to avoid controversy. Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:54:17 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vegemite Message-ID: Paul: >Anyway, your supposed to drink it, not eat it How's that? That stuff doesn't exactly pour very well you know! >(unless your under 3 years old, in which case you spread it on your > >soldiers and dip it in your egg). Yumm! You forgot to say "soft boiled egg". People might think you're dipping it in scrambled eggs or something :) Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:00:55 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby Message-ID: Gaston: >There aren't many real model builders in this country anyway. Most >popular >models are WW2 military and aircraft as well as cars but the >Great War is >something most poeple aren't interested in, that's why I >have to order my >models from mail order stores in most cases. > It's not just Luxembourg, there aren't that many WWI modellers in most places, and the WW2 stuff is most popular almost everywhere. Biplanes are more difficult to build to a given standard, and then there's the rigging, which most folk have no idea how they would approach it or just cannot face it. Nevertheless, someone is buying all those ICM, Toko/Roden and Eduard kits. Perhpas they just like the box art, strange decals and looking at small bits of plastic. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:33:02 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Show report Message-ID: <75.93b221f.26e67a3e@aol.com> The 2nd annual (I hope) Nordicon was held Saturday the 2nd, and a good time was had by all. OT content was only fair despite Steve Hustad having all his OT single seaters on display (past awesome, his stuff is much better seen than photoed) but a younger modeler from the southern part of the state came up and took the gold in OT aircraft with an amazing BE2a, that reminded me of Hustad's work, totally beautiful, completely inexplicable, (how do they do that?) (there will hopefully be pictures available soon) 'On the Make and Take', I got back most of the OT kits I donated, but not all, so there is hope for the future. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 09:44:22 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: engine spin Message-ID: <39B522E6.AFB39BF2@mars.ark.com> D Charles wrote: "As far as I know most aircraft engines turn clockwise (view from the pilots seat) The GENERAL guide here with old engines is British engines turn anti-, US engines turn clockwise, and anything else is a licence built version of one of the above. Check history before applying rudder trim. :-) You make a good point - all engine rotation is judged as seen from the pilot's seat (or the rear on multi-engined aircraft). If everybody sticks to that perspective, it's easier to describe things as simply a right hand prop or a left hand prop. Unfortunately, generalities don't always work! The "ot" British Rolls-Royce Merlin the American Allison V-12 turned right handed airscrews (British term...) in most models, but some for multi-engined use they turned left handed. The Gnome radials could be run either way, depending on the model. The Germans favoured right hand engines while the Italians preferred left (and Artiplast got it consistently wrong on their models). We have said many times before, and will no doubt say it many times in the future - Check photo's of the original you want to model! (and be prepared for the grief of finding out the kit manufacturer got it wrong). Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 11:52:33 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: re: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby Message-ID: I would disagree that ours are harder to build to a given standard, it's just a different standard. The rigging looks intimidating, it's impossible to fudge a cockpit by putting on a less-than-optimal clarity canopy (I've done it on ot, so I'm not accusing), the delicate nature is somewhat harder to capture in the kits and requires a bit of work, and the references are not as available and are grainier with less definitive specs, the weathering techniques are different. To a lot of the modern and second unpleasantness modelers, this uncertainty on the references is a hang-up to completion, too. If one is used to exact descriptions of colors, and the research that has been put in on deciding what the wreckage or derelict description really means vs. the official standards, the idea of PC-10 being anywhere from olive green to light chocolate in tone, and the question of the MvR *&^%$#()@ red, let alone things like the two-vs.-three color Albatros wings is like taking out a support mechanism to accuracy. Plus the ways that the finishes are applied is just -- different. Few panel lines, fabric effects like bleed-through and translucency, wood tones, riffled metal tones, etc, all add up to learning something different in the way the techniques are applied. Personally, I think we fit in an in-between land where we would make good ground equipment (usually lumped into the 'armor') or sailing ship modelers on the side and slightly less fashionable second unpleasantness/modern aircraft builders. So I don't think of it as a matter of easier/harder, just a matter of different techniques that take learning to get right. .Mark. Michael Kendix wrote: >Gaston: >>There aren't many real model builders in this country anyway. Most >>popular models are WW2 military and aircraft as well as cars but the >>Great War is something most poeple aren't interested in, that's why I >>have to order my models from mail order stores in most cases. >It's not just Luxembourg, there aren't that many WWI modellers in most >places, and the WW2 stuff is most popular almost everywhere. >Biplanes are more difficult to build to a given standard, and then there's >the rigging, which most folk have no idea how they would approach it >or just cannot face it. Nevertheless, someone is buying all those ICM, >Toko/Roden and Eduard kits. Perhaps they just like the box art, strange >decals and looking at small bits of plastic. >Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:52:06 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Show report Message-ID: Merrill: >a younger modeler from the southern part of the state came >up and took the gold in OT aircraft with an amazing BE2a, that >reminded me >of Hustad's work, totally beautiful, completely >inexplicable, (how do they >do that?) Thanks for the report. Which kit/scale was this BE2a? Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:10:04 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gun sights Message-ID: I lived in North Dakota for years, and Joe Foss is full of 'stuff', as a general rule. Although in reading I have learned that much of Pacific air combat was at fairly low altitudes, and so pilots had to get 'close' (within 250 yards) to get hits. With the dispersion and firepower of six .50 guns, sights may have been redundant for some, but remember, OT aircraft had only one or two, rifle caliber guns, and a number of German pilots scrounged telescopic sights from downed British planes, the indications are that the sights were used, they were certainly left in most aircraft, and pilots were prone to throw away anything they didn't consider useful... FWIW Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:24:34 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Show report Message-ID: <4c.9fb22b4.26e68652@aol.com> 1/72, and amazingly delicate looking, CDL with all the 'shadow' of interior formers shown, hope someone got a picture. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:41:06 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: your book Message-ID: Hi Bob! Your book will definetly be on the way to you on Thursday of this week! I wanted to send it today and it is ready for shipping but because I want to include you the money for your CD I had to call our local bank agency to ask if they have Canadian Dollars ready. They haven't so they must order them which will take 2 days. This must be sounding strange to you but I live here on the country where things like Dollars are rarely asked for. It's a pity that our Post doesn't have any business relations with Canada. But everything is ready for shipping so all I need to do is including the money and bring the paket to a postoffice before going to work. Sorry for the delay but if I won't send it this week it will take atleast one more week to send it because next week we will be on a short vacation at Euro-Disney in Paris. happy modeling Gaston ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:48:11 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: re: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby Message-ID: >From: "Mark Shannon" > >I would disagree that ours are harder to build to a given standard, >it's >just a different standard. Yes, I understand that it is different and there are different skills required for ot, in particular, clear parts and panel-related stuff (rescribing, shading etc.) but in talking to folks, the one reason they site for not building OT is the degree of difficulty - "...all those struts and wires". I don't think that it's because they don't like them. Perhaps OT is no harder but the perception is such. Consider the following example. Suppose I decided to build a MiG-15, sacrilege, I know but this is just hypothetical:) I'd buy a Tamiya/Hasegawa or whatever decent kit in my favourite scale, maybe I'd purchase the Squadron Signal book for references or just go onto the net, and I'd be on my way. Perhaps the painting would be a bit difficult but to make it look "just OK", I wouldn't have to find a whole new bunch of techniques. Or would I? The problem facing someone who's not done OT is the rigging because the thing just won't look right until that's on, and that's a barrier, perceived or otherwise, for most people. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:54:37 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby Message-ID: <83.4a2b9f.26e68d5d@aol.com> not a few ot modelers build the occasional OT kit, and don't bother to rig it, curiously, they don't look bad, and most people DON'T NOTICE. Looks like slacking to 'us', but different strokes, and all that. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:03:29 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: engine spin Message-ID: Dave and all you other who replied to this question: Many thanks for all the info you gave. Again this list proved what great source of knowledge it is. ;o) Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > David C. Fletcher > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 6:46 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: engine spin > > > D Charles wrote: > > "As far as I know most aircraft engines turn clockwise (view from the > pilots seat) > The GENERAL guide here with old engines is British engines turn anti-, > US > engines turn clockwise, and anything else is a licence built version of > one > of the above. Check history before applying rudder trim. :-) > > You make a good point - all engine rotation is judged as seen from the > pilot's seat (or the rear on multi-engined aircraft). If everybody > sticks to that perspective, it's easier to describe things as simply a > right hand prop or a left hand prop. > > Unfortunately, generalities don't always work! The "ot" British > Rolls-Royce Merlin the American Allison V-12 turned right handed > airscrews (British term...) in most models, but some for multi-engined > use they turned left handed. The Gnome radials could be run either way, > depending on the model. The Germans favoured right hand engines while > the Italians preferred left (and Artiplast got it consistently wrong on > their models). We have said many times before, and will no doubt say it > many times in the future - Check photo's of the original you want to > model! (and be prepared for the grief of finding out the kit > manufacturer got it wrong). > > Dave Fletcher > -- > Visit us at our Home Page: > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:10:16 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby Message-ID: and don't bother to rig it, curiously, they don't look bad, and most people DON'T NOTICE. Looks like slacking to 'us', Great, now I guess I'll have to rig my "Stropp" for the Cook Up.... Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:08:09 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: D's D.II Message-ID: <200009051808.LAA14772@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Am I the only one who wished Diego would have cast his cockpit parts for his D.II on the Cook Up site? Bummer they're all already installed... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:10:53 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby Message-ID: >From: MAnde72343@aol.com >not a few ot modelers build the occasional OT kit, and don't bother >to rig >it, curiously, they don't look bad, and most people DON'T >NOTICE. Looks >like slacking to 'us', but different strokes, and all >that. Sure, point taken, it's a matter of perspective, to a degree. It depends somewhat on the aeroplane chosen. Consider the folowing example without rigging; Fokker D.VII - looks fine, SPAD XIII - not as good, Etrich Taube - looks odd, Fokker "Spinne" - don't even go there. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:11:35 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby Message-ID: <81.4a2c9f.26e69157@aol.com> YES! (not quite ROTFLMAO) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:14:10 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby Message-ID: That is certainly true but of my own experiences I can tell that almost every model that I build comes to this same point, no matter if it's an ot or OT model. People like us do a great job in research before or while building a model. We want to build as detailed and accurate as possible. So even if there are many references available the correct techniques must be applied to make the model look accuarte and the techniques is something one must learn. Good old master Paine is right when he sais that most time in modeling is spend with menthal thinking rather than pysical work. This he wrote in relation with dioramas but it applies for all models. I still remember how many hours that I spend doing research on the uniforms of British WWII Paratroopers as I build my 120mm figure. I spend far over 400hours on that figure where 367hours was for assembly only because there was so many gaps to be filled with putty, much to sand or grind. But I prefer to build only one model a year rather than mass production. I know a lot of people who simply are to impatient to do proper research or apply even weathering techniques. gotta run - dinner's ready ;o) Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Mark Shannon > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 6:53 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: re: Good News on the Future of Our Hobby > > > I would disagree that ours are harder to build to a given > standard, it's just a different standard. The rigging looks > intimidating, it's impossible to fudge a cockpit by putting on a > less-than-optimal clarity canopy (I've done it on ot, so I'm not > accusing), the delicate nature is somewhat harder to capture in > the kits and requires a bit of work, and the references are not > as available and are grainier with less definitive specs, the > weathering techniques are different. > > To a lot of the modern and second unpleasantness modelers, this > uncertainty on the references is a hang-up to completion, too. > If one is used to exact descriptions of colors, and the research > that has been put in on deciding what the wreckage or derelict > description really means vs. the official standards, the idea of > PC-10 being anywhere from olive green to light chocolate in tone, > and the question of the MvR *&^%$#()@ red, let alone things like > the two-vs.-three color Albatros wings is like taking out a > support mechanism to accuracy. > > Plus the ways that the finishes are applied is just -- different. > Few panel lines, fabric effects like bleed-through and > translucency, wood tones, riffled metal tones, etc, all add up to > learning something different in the way the techniques are > applied. Personally, I think we fit in an in-between land where > we would make good ground equipment (usually lumped into the > 'armor') or sailing ship modelers on the side and slightly less > fashionable second unpleasantness/modern aircraft builders. > > So I don't think of it as a matter of easier/harder, just a > matter of different techniques that take learning to get right. > > .Mark. > > Michael Kendix wrote: > > >Gaston: > > >>There aren't many real model builders in this country anyway. > Most >>popular models are WW2 military and aircraft as well as > cars but the >>Great War is something most poeple aren't > interested in, that's why I >>have to order my models from mail > order stores in most cases. > > > >It's not just Luxembourg, there aren't that many WWI modellers in most > >places, and the WW2 stuff is most popular almost everywhere. > >Biplanes are more difficult to build to a given standard, and > then there's >the rigging, which most folk have no idea how they > would approach it >or just cannot face it. Nevertheless, someone > is buying all those ICM, >Toko/Roden and Eduard kits. Perhaps > they just like the box art, strange >decals and looking at small > bits of plastic. > > >Michael > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2613 **********************