WWI Digest 2605 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Voss' cowl by "Michael S. Alvarado" 2) Re: Nungesser questions by "Michael S. Alvarado" 3) Re: Voss Cowl, sick to death by skarver@banet.net 4) "Lost Geschwader..." was, Re: Voss' cowl by skarver@banet.net 5) Congrats to the 94th ASMA, was, Re: Sept IM by skarver@banet.net 6) Re: GP Models by "Tom Solinski" 7) Re: Italian AF Museum by Mike Kavanaugh 8) Fw: SE-5 Decal recommendations (braile scale 1/48 only please ) by "Tom Solinski" 9) Rotary engines, was, Re: Engine Nitpiks... by skarver@banet.net 10) Rotary question by "Matthew Bittner" 11) Sorry for the HTML by "Tom Solinski" 12) Re: Rosemont F.I Correction Set by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) 13) Re: SE-5 Decal recommendations (braile scale 1/48 only please ) by "David Calhoun" 14) The Mistress Requires......... by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 15) Re: Rosemont F.I Correction Set by "DAVID BURKE" 16) Re: Rotary question by MAnde72343@aol.com 17) John Cyg is in LA by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 18) Re: The Mistress Requires......... by MAnde72343@aol.com 19) Re: Rotary question by Lee Mensinger 20) Re: The Mistress Requires......... by Ernest Thomas 21) Re: Rotary question by Lee Mensinger 22) Re: The Mistress Requires......... by Ernest Thomas 23) Re: GP Models by Marc Flake 24) Modeling Madness by Marc Flake 25) Re: Rotary question by "DAVID BURKE" 26) Re: The Mistress Requires......... by "DAVID BURKE" 27) SPIN Spad A-2 by "DAVID BURKE" 28) Re: Rotary question by K129000@aol.com 29) Re: Rotary question by Ernest Thomas 30) Re: Nungesser questions by mdf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:22:15 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss' cowl Message-ID: <39B02C16.EC06632C@bellatlantic.net> Why not? He met Adolph in the last IJ movie. Alvie Sharon Henderson wrote: > Oh Tom.... script idea? Indy meets Hermann Goering?? > > :-) > > Sharon > > ---------- > > Sharon told us: > >> No one seems to know where > >> the Geschwaderstock is now.... > > > > That's the next of Indiana Jones movies: "The lost Geschwaderstock". :-) > > D. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:42:13 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nungesser questions Message-ID: <39B030C4.EAA8C960@bellatlantic.net> I have a Nungesseur SPAD question as well. The references I have on his SPAD XIII show standard 5-color camouflage on the wings and tail surfaces but the fuselage is shown as painted similarly to the early "ecru" fabric/similarly painted metal/wood but in light green for the fabric and slightly darker for the metal/wood over which the white turtledeck triangle and black heart markings are added. Does anyone out there have any other/better information. Even though its Nungesseur I don't quite buy this scheme and have put off doing his SPAD until I got confirmation/better information. If anyone has anything more definitive I'd sure appreciate any additional information. Alvie DAVID BURKE wrote: > Hi kiddies! > > I got this nice Blue Rider sheet with a bunch of French A/C on it. One > of the markings sets is for a SPAD XIII flown by Nungesser. Now when I > think Nungesser, I think 'Nieuport'. What was the series of A/C he flew? I > know about the Nie. 17's, but am unsure about any other A/C types he flew. > > No offense to the Voss group, but I am drifting more to Nungesser, > Guynemer, and Fonck. Their names are still revered to this day in France. > And not too many unresolvable color mysteries, either! > > DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:21:41 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Cc: "Tobias Gibson" Subject: Re: Voss Cowl, sick to death Message-ID: <00c901c01463$03a47040$e4fc6420@stephen> "Tobias Gibson" Friday, September 01, 2000 3:07 PM wrote, among other things, | There is no real evidence, so there is no 100% | correct answer. It does depend on how you define evidence. If you mean a piece of the cowling, well, perhaps unfortunately, no. But you don't need the smoking gun to convict a murderer--just ask Hercule Poirot. And since there is plenty of circumstantial evidence against the yellow, there is a 'correct' answer if by that one means according to the preponderance of evidence. I wouldn't send a man to the electric chair based on what we have about the Voss cowling, but I would send a an accused mugger up the river based on it. | In any case, the author of the post on the aerodrome | claimed the cowl as olive brown when the report says dark grey or more | specifically earth grey. How does earth grey become "olive brown"? In my posted reply to your re-quoting (?) of DSA's quote of the C&C interview with Timm, I suspect his memory was not all that good. I rather prefer the contemporary eyewitness accounts of the British combat reports. Of course they don't discuss cowl color. But more on that later. Best regards to all who have taken up the cudgel and enlightened this confirmed member of the Green Party, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:25:10 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: "Lost Geschwader..." was, Re: Voss' cowl Message-ID: <00d001c01463$7faf8120$e4fc6420@stephen> dfernet0" Friday, September 01, 2000 10:15 AM quipped | That's the next of Indiana Jones movies: "The lost Geschwaderstock". :-) To which I counterquip: Shouldn't that be, "The Lost Geschwaderschtick"? Well, at least Mel Brooks' parody sequel. Regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:33:09 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Congrats to the 94th ASMA, was, Re: Sept IM Message-ID: <016301c01464$9e46d060$e4fc6420@stephen> Thanks guys of the 94th Aero Squadron Modeling Association. I just loves those 1919 showstoppers ta death. To die for! Best regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:15:01 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: GP Models Message-ID: <000c01c0146a$74a604a0$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> SECOND August in recorded history in Oklahoma with ZERO rainfall in the entire state. High today in OKC was 105F tomorow is predicted to be 106F please note the F was at the end, so I'm not trying to bring in ot aircraft here) Fokker, Albatross, Gotha Tom S OKC If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Kavanaugh To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:58 PM Subject: Re: GP Models > Marc said, in part: < has turned to a shade of RFC CDL.)>> > > You've still got grass??? We spent the day getting two tanker trucks of > water and plan to get seven more loads tomorrow to put in the dried up > lake in our neighborhood, trying to keep the ducks and geese and their > little ones alive. We put kiddie pools filled with water in our yards > and have bought scratch grain from the feed store for them. They used > to be wild, but desperation for food and water have driven right to our > doorsteps. I don't know if it will ever rain again in San Antonio! > > Mike K. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:16:18 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Italian AF Museum Message-ID: <39B054E2.6F68478D@earthlink.net> http://www.pacmodels.com has a link to the Italian AF Museum, Rome. Version I saw was in Italian. Didn't notice English version button but there may be one. Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:27:19 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Fw: SE-5 Decal recommendations (braile scale 1/48 only please ) Message-ID: <002201c0146c$2c4ad8a0$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C01442.43394E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Solinski=20 To: Dave Youngblood=20 Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:38 AM Subject: SE-5 Decal recommendations (braile scale 1/48 only please ) Happy weekend all! and to all of us Stateside have a SAFE weekend laboring at fun. A thread a few ago looked at the MONOGRAM SE 5. Well I have two of = these and two Lindbergh kits. Since I primarily build SOB, this leaves = the decals a little wanting. =20 I would greatly accept your suggestions for available 1/48 SE 5/5a/5e = decal sheets. 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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C01442.43394E40-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:01:47 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Rotary engines, was, Re: Engine Nitpiks... Message-ID: <01ba01c01468$9d3626e0$e4fc6420@stephen> "Gaston Graf" Friday, September 01, 2000 3:31 PM protested | Nope! Rotaries are so called because the whole engine rotates together with | the prop WWI rotaries are so called by way of contrast to conventional stationary types wherein piston reciprocating piston motion is converted to the desired rotary motion via a crankshaft . In WWI types, to be precise, the cylinder housing, as opposed to entire engine, rotates around a cam plate [the real engineers can feel free correct me if this term is incorrect], whereby cooling can be achieved by the air flow. | while Wankels are rotary-piston engines. The distinctiion is precise, but in this country (US), the name was shortened to simply rotary, and for the same reason as the WWI engines, to distinquish it from conventional types. And similar to those, the goals of its designers were to achieve simplicity, lightness, and compactness. Regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:30:26 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Rotary question Message-ID: <200009012330.QAA08723@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Now what we know what a rotary engine is ;-), I want to know which way it turns. Is it to starboard? Sorry for the silly question... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:39:19 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Sorry for the HTML Message-ID: <001301c0146d$d96c0620$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> 4 years of college and 23 years in the aviation industry and you'd think I could get a computer to behave the way I want it to sorry about the HTML messes Burried in that last mess was: Happy weekend all! and to all of us Stateside have a SAFE weekend laboring at fun. A thread a few ago looked at the MONOGRAM SE 5. Well I have two of = these and two Lindbergh kits. Since I primarily build SOB, this leaves = the decals a little wanting. =20 I would greatly accept your suggestions for available 1/48 SE 5/5a/5e = decal sheets. TIA Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 19:02:55 -0500 From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rosemont F.I Correction Set Message-ID: >Howdy gang, > >I picked up my F.I correction set yesterday. I must say these resin pieces >are very impressive. Very nicely cast with thin trailing edges. The >replacement cowl is nice and thin too. I can only say positive >things about Barry's quality. I see no reason why the resin parts >won't fit as well as the original Eduard bits. FYI, The parts fit like a glove. The kit tailplane, cowling and ailerons can be corrected, but why now that Barry has the correction set available. The corrections are slight, but not as simple as one might think. I tried, and gave up. I just could not get the parts to look right, even though they matched Barry's parts in outline. At any rate, my F-1 is almost finished. I will get pics when it is done. I did not do Voss's bird this time, as it will be up when I get the Rodan kit. John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:23:42 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: SE-5 Decal recommendations (braile scale 1/48 only please ) Message-ID: <002c01c0148d$33901a00$2f0c3ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Tom, Americal Gryphon has several sheets with great markings for 1/48 scale SE5/5a's. I bought the 56 Squadron sheet #144 and I highly recommend it! Has markings for a ton of different planes including McCudden, Rhys Davids & Ball. Also includes an entire sheet of white markings including lift here arrows & palmer cord tire logos. This sheet features 32 different aircraft markings for Royal aircraft factory built aircraft. (Lindberg kit). Also a second sheet #145 has 33 diff non-Royal Aircraft factory built (Monogram kit). Also sheet #119 contains markings for #1 squadron SE5a's. There's more SE5 markings than you can use in a lifetime on these 3 sheets! Dave Calhoun -----Original Message----- From: Tom Solinski To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 4:30 PM Subject: Fw: SE-5 Decal recommendations (braile scale 1/48 only please ) >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C01442.43394E40 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >----- Original Message -----=20 >From: Tom Solinski=20 >To: Dave Youngblood=20 >Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:38 AM >Subject: SE-5 Decal recommendations (braile scale 1/48 only please ) > > >Happy weekend all! > >and to all of us Stateside have a SAFE weekend laboring at fun. > >A thread a few ago looked at the MONOGRAM SE 5. Well I have two of = >these and two Lindbergh kits. Since I primarily build SOB, this leaves = >the decals a little wanting. =20 > >I would greatly accept your suggestions for available 1/48 SE 5/5a/5e = >decal sheets. > >TIA >Tom S > >------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C01442.43394E40 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
 
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> >------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C01442.43394E40-- > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 11:29:05 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: The Mistress Requires......... Message-ID: <39B057E1.AEA35361@tac.com.au> Now that I have your full attention ;-) Unsubbing for 3 weeks to have a holiday... going north ... going to pop in and see Shane the Elder. This does not mean you can all run riot! Behave while I'm gone, wait till I get back to misbehave ;-) Mistress Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:49:01 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Rosemont F.I Correction Set Message-ID: <002d01c01477$b7e3d780$9a8baec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Huggins" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Rosemont F.I Correction Set > >Howdy gang, > > > >I picked up my F.I correction set yesterday. I must say these resin pieces > >are very impressive. Very nicely cast with thin trailing edges. The > >replacement cowl is nice and thin too. I can only say positive > >things about Barry's quality. I see no reason why the resin parts > >won't fit as well as the original Eduard bits. > > FYI, > The parts fit like a glove. The kit tailplane, cowling and ailerons > can be corrected, but why now that Barry has the correction set > available. The corrections are slight, but not as simple as one > might think. I tried, and gave up. I just could not get the parts > to look right, even though they matched Barry's parts in outline. At > any rate, my F-1 is almost finished. I will get pics when it is > done. I did not do Voss's bird this time, as it will be up when I > get the Rodan kit. > > John My question is this: how come anyone needed to do a correction set for this bird in the first place? I mean Jeez, you would think that they could have included a separate sprue with the F.1 that had correct parts. To me that just indicates laziness. And I noticed that their very ot WW2 1/44 fighters look vaguely familiar too. My .02 dollar DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:52:36 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary question Message-ID: <7c.a74a14e.26e1a954@aol.com> Depended on who made it, I do know that the Siemens Schuckert rotated opposite to the prop due to gearing, and there were some similar Allied engines (although none to my knowledge were ever used in combat). Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:51:03 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: John Cyg is in LA Message-ID: <000701c01477$df764df0$b739183f@cyrixp166> Hi Folks, I want to wish the US contingent a happy holiday weekend & I will be signing off for ~1 week. I will be in sunny LA for work. Hope to catch up with Maestro Karr & Clan. Bye Y'all John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:54:38 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Mistress Requires......... Message-ID: <15.8b756d3.26e1a9ce@aol.com> Have fun, we will miss your tart comments. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 20:03:28 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary question Message-ID: <39B051E0.E5AB0824@x25.net> Facing the engine the TM Scout prop rotates counter-clockwise. From the back that would be starboard. Lee M. Matthew Bittner wrote: > Now what we know what a rotary engine is ;-), I want to know which way > it turns. Is it to starboard? Sorry for the silly question... > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 19:58:29 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Mistress Requires......... Message-ID: <39B050B4.B57562C4@bellsouth.net> Shane & Lorna Jenkins wrote: > Now that I have your full attention ;-) You never lost it, m'dear. > Unsubbing for 3 weeks to have a holiday... going north ... going to pop > in and see Shane the Elder. Give 'im a big sloppy schmack! for me. > This does not mean you can all run riot! Booooooo!!!! > Behave while I'm gone, wait till I get back to misbehave ;-) I'll do my best. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 20:08:24 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary question Message-ID: <39B05308.1BE78626@x25.net> Just checked..So did the prop on the Nieuport 28C. C-C from the front. Lee M. Matthew Bittner wrote: > Now what we know what a rotary engine is ;-), I want to know which way > it turns. Is it to starboard? Sorry for the silly question... > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 20:11:10 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Mistress Requires......... Message-ID: <39B053AD.A9959B53@bellsouth.net> Shane & Lorna Jenkins wrote: > Unsubbing for 3 weeks to have a holiday. Oh yeah, have a good time. Hopefully this Voss thread will be done with by the time you get back. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 20:13:26 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: GP Models Message-ID: <39B05435.4AA@airmail.net> Craig, Matt: Sorry for the late reply, I'm on Digest mode and only check teh digests after I get off work. I don't do business with Hannants because when ever I've thought about ordering from them, I haven't had enough to order to make the minimum. I also find (found?) their website a little difficult to maneuver through. It seemed like it took hours to browse through the sections I wanted. It wasn't because the pages loaded slow, I just had to keep hitting the "NEXT" button, and hitting the "NEXT" button, and hitting the "NEXT button. Also, IIRC, their prices weren't all that special. Also, Hannants doesn't do much to SELL it's merchandise. When I shop at Silverbird or window shop at GP Models and Vamp, I can see box art most of the time and actual kit sprues in special instances. Hannants just provides a list. I went there a couple of times and came away unimpressed. I also felt the minimum order thing was kind of a way to discourage my business. But these new East European outfits really seem interested in my business. As for Roll Models. I do business with them all the time, about once a month. They have some great prices on some things ($15 for DML OT kits) but they want $23 to $25 for HR kits, while GP Models is selling them for about $12 to $13. And, if I had ordered from GP before August 31, I could have taken a 20 percent discount on tp of the 5 percent off discount for being a first-time customer. I may or may not order from GP -- I see that Mr. Kit offers these kits, too, at a little higher price. But they'll get them to me in about 7 to 10 days. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 20:45:17 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Modeling Madness Message-ID: <39B05BAD.1F7F@airmail.net> Has anyone besides me stumbled upon the OT "History" on the Modeling Madness website? http://modelingmadness.com/history/1.htm I really like this site,but I'm a little troubled by "Life on an RFC Airdrome." I quote: "Let’s see…. 1916 should be good . . . having trained in Sopwith Pups (fast and dangerous) and Camels (faster still, but a little less dangerous) " Frankly, I stopped there and couldn't go on. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:29:03 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Rotary question Message-ID: <000701c0148d$f38ca940$7386aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Rotary question > Depended on who made it, I do know that the Siemens Schuckert rotated > opposite to the prop due to gearing, and there were some similar Allied > engines (although none to my knowledge were ever used in combat). > Merrill > Didn't someone on the List do a working 1/48 SSW counter-rotation on one of their models? Or was that just something I hallucinated? DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:32:27 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The Mistress Requires......... Message-ID: <002a01c0148e$6c48dd40$7386aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Thomas" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:15 PM Subject: Re: The Mistress Requires......... > > > Shane & Lorna Jenkins wrote: > > > Unsubbing for 3 weeks to have a holiday. > > Oh yeah, have a good time. > Hopefully this Voss thread will be done with by the time you get back. > E. > > Ernie! You just HAD to bring it up again just now! ;-) DB Who figgered it was dead. Can we go back to talking about a more enjoyable thread, like what was the true Pfalz silbergrau? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:42:15 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: SPIN Spad A-2 Message-ID: <003a01c0148f$ce15fc00$7386aec7@com> Hey Guys, I ordered a SPIN Spad A-2 and an Aeoclub BE.2C from Hannant's. Anyone have any good pointers on these kits, as well as issues of IM and such? I realize that there had been mention of them when they first came out. BTW, my D.H.2 suffered a major crash that I am now trying to mend. Alot of rigging tore loose and I it is very hrd to re-tack it as there is no slack to work with. I REALLY do not want to have to re-rig it. Other than that, picked up a kit of a Japanese WW2 biplane trainer. It looks kinda cool, and it straddles two areas of my interest, so I may build it soon. I will do my best to enter it in WW2 categories and not put it in with WWI stuff. I have no plans for the holidays except to stick around home, try to clean up this dump, slap some plastic together, and basically relax for a trying week to come. Burp DB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:20:35 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary question Message-ID: <47.581830.26e1da13@aol.com> IIRC, (from the pilot's perspective) the engine ont he Sopwith Camel turned clockwise. I think, I'm not intimately familiar with the exact physics of the gyroscopic effect. Anyway, the plane would turn fast to the right and nose would drop. Bank to left and the plane turned slowly and the nose would climb. Funny thing. I got my text book for Aircraft Structures 2 and it has a cutaway of a rotary engine on the front cover. I am fairly sure we don't use those anymore. I am not sure of the type, My copy of Jane's will be arrive next week and I might be able to idetify it. K-129 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 00:22:16 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rotary question Message-ID: <39B08E88.591C1598@bellsouth.net> K129000@aol.com wrote: > I'm not intimately familiar with the exact physics of > the gyroscopic effect. Gyroscopic precession. When a force is applied to a spinning gyro, the gyro reacts to in the direction of the force, but 90deg. along the plane of rotation in the direction of it's spin. E.g.; If you were looking at a gyro spinning clockwise on a horizontal axle, and you gave it a little nudge(away from you) at the twelve o'clock position, the gyro would react as though you had nudged it at the three o'clock position, in the direction of the nudge. This scientific tidbit was brought to you by; E, the other white meat. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 01:30:53 -0400 From: mdf To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nungesser questions Message-ID: <39B0908D.582057E2@mars.ark.com> did I miss any? unfinished prewar project Nieuport 17 (camouflaged) Nieuport 17 (aluminium - probably several machines) Nieuport 17bis (but with 24/24bis rounded ailerons) Nieuport 25 (Alumium dope) Nieuport 25 (Camouflaged as per N.27) Nieuport 80/81 (Currently at Rhinebeck) Voisin LA.III (had a skull and cross bones) Morane Saulnier Parasols (late 1915 so probably MoS.L) Morane Saulnier AI (Aluminium dope) Morane Saulnier AI (registered F-NUNG) SPAD XIII (La Verdier) SPAD XV (Evaluated at Villacoulay w. marking) Hanriot HD.1 Levasseur PL.8 (oiseau blanc) DAVID BURKE wrote: > > Hi kiddies! > > I got this nice Blue Rider sheet with a bunch of French A/C on it. One > of the markings sets is for a SPAD XIII flown by Nungesser. Now when I > think Nungesser, I think 'Nieuport'. What was the series of A/C he flew? I > know about the Nie. 17's, but am unsure about any other A/C types he flew. > > No offense to the Voss group, but I am drifting more to Nungesser, > Guynemer, and Fonck. Their names are still revered to this day in France. > And not too many unresolvable color mysteries, either! > > DB ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2605 **********************