WWI Digest 2599 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Anyone need an excuse? by KarrArt@aol.com 2) Re: Profiles are here by "DAVID BURKE" 3) Re: Anyone need an excuse? by "DAVID BURKE" 4) Re: Anyone need an excuse? by "David C. Fletcher" 5) Re: Anyone need an excuse? by "Andrew Ronayne" 6) Hit kits by NEIL CRAWFORD 7) New SAMI - OT Content by David Fleming 8) thanks all by "Gaston Graf" 9) Re: Profiles are here by "Diego Fernetti" 10) Re: Anyone need an excuse? by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Another on the shelf by "Matthew Bittner" 12) Re: thanks all by "Diego Fernetti" 13) Re: Another on the shelf by "Diego Fernetti" 14) Re: Anyone need an excuse? by bucky@ptdprolog.net 15) Re: Another on the shelf by bucky@ptdprolog.net 16) Bertrab's Bright Enigma, was, Re: Bertrab's Albatros by skarver@banet.net 17) RE: thanks all by "Gaston Graf" 18) Albatros Cook-up Site Profiles. by "Mark Shannon" 19) Re: Albatros Cook-up Site Profiles. by "Matt Bittner" 20) DH2 was: Hello all! May I introduce myself... by "dfernet0" 21) Re: thanks all by K129000@aol.com 22) Jasta 28 seabird by "Mark Shannon" 23) Re: Jasta 28 seabird by "Matt Bittner" 24) Re: Hit kits by "Michael Kendix" 25) Paper Airplane Models by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 26) Re: Bertrab's Albatros by "Lance Krieg" 27) Ceramcoat colors by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 28) Re: Ceramcoat colors by MAnde72343@aol.com 29) OT Zepplin Model by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 30) Re: New SAMI - OT Content by "Michael Kendix" 31) Re: Anyone need an excuse? by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:10:54 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Anyone need an excuse? Message-ID: <50.a4004b2.26ddff6e@aol.com> In a message dated 8/29/00 11:02:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lensmith@clara.net writes: << Today I complete my allotted three score years and ten and so every day from here forward is a bonus to be savoured as such. >> Hot damn- I'll grab the Maalox and swig a salute! That's what?- 490 dog years? May you actually reach the canine number! RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:12:20 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Profiles are here Message-ID: <001801c01249$44673160$ea8eaec7@com> I bought the Koster FW-200 in Dallas, and make no apologies to anyone! What a neat kit! And let's face it: Koster subjects are at least IN PART OT? Hmmmm? DB ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Glaser" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:45 PM Subject: RE: Profiles are here > Hey, Hey, Hey Now! If you've ever seen the Koster FW-200, you'd forgive my > ot transgression! > > - JCG > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > REwing@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:37 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Profiles are here > > > > A great big thank you to John Glaser for his contribution to the List > Library of the following Profiles: > > Sopwith Camel > Bristol Fighter > Vickers F.B.27 Vimy > de Haviland D.H.10 > de Haviland D.H. 9 > American D.H. 4 > B.E.2, 2a, and 2b > > Also included was the ot Profile of the Focke-Wulf Fw 200. If you want > to borrow this, I will send it to you in a plain brown wrapper and won't say > a word to anyone!! I keep real good secrets, don't I Diego?!! > The rest are available for reference if you need any. Thanks again, > John. > > -Rick- > List Librarian > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:21:25 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Anyone need an excuse? Message-ID: <001e01c0124a$87343780$ea8eaec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Len Smith" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:05 AM Subject: Anyone need an excuse? > Greetings, > > If anyone is in need of an excuse you may consider lifting a glass, bottle, > jar or tinny to help me celebrate my passage into Bonus Time. Today I > complete my allotted three score years and ten and so every day from here > forward is a bonus to be savoured as such. I intend sticking around for a > while yet, there are still many more interesting aircraft to model and I > expect to find more opportunities to poke gentle fun at lozengeluvvies and > fumblefingeredfortyeighters. Happy modelling from a (getting) happy > modeller. > > Regards Len. > Len, Let me be first to say that I hope that you have the best mollyfogging Birthday that is humanly possible, but I started drinking some time ago yesterday evening. I hope that it counts (God, if you could only see the typos I'm editing out!). I guess that I'll have to have another one just to be safe! :-D. I hope that you make it well past four score and seven years meself! DB nb: The ammo bins for the D.H.2 . Thought at first I could just modify the kit bins. OH NO. It's a little tricky, but the Aeroclub drums'll look good in 'em. Then I can finish the durned thing. Photos immediately upon completion, of course... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:33:58 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Anyone need an excuse? Message-ID: <39ACAAD6.40F3B423@mars.ark.com> Len Smith wrote: "Today I complete my allotted three score years and ten..." That makes you 21 (Celsius). Congratulations on another milestone and in two more years, you can be 1/72... I was born the day the first atomic pile went critical, so I'm decidedly "ot" and ushered in the nuclear age! Mind you, when my sister was born, one million men left the British Isles (D-Day may have had something to do with it...). Happy Birthday! Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:34:19 +1000 From: "Andrew Ronayne" To: Subject: Re: Anyone need an excuse? Message-ID: <021601c0125d$1827e4a0$d0cb1dcb@t9hf2> Hearty congratulations Len, Hope you go another three score and ten! Cheers Drew Drew Ronayne PSP 7 Private Beta Tester Communique Software Proudly Representing Jasc Software in Australia and New Zealand Ph: +61 2 9622 5624 Fax: +61 2 9671 5624 P.O. Box 777 Blacktown, NSW 2148 Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Len Smith To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2000 4:05 Subject: Anyone need an excuse? > Greetings, > > If anyone is in need of an excuse you may consider lifting a glass, bottle, > jar or tinny to help me celebrate my passage into Bonus Time. Today I > complete my allotted three score years and ten and so every day from here > forward is a bonus to be savoured as such. I intend sticking around for a > while yet, there are still many more interesting aircraft to model and I > expect to find more opportunities to poke gentle fun at lozengeluvvies and > fumblefingeredfortyeighters. Happy modelling from a (getting) happy > modeller. > > Regards Len. > > lensmith@clara.net > http://home.clara.net/lensmith > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:14 +0200 From: NEIL CRAWFORD To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Hit kits Message-ID: <43BOQR0l4m.IT13.NEIL@MEMO.VOLVO.SE> --- Received from IT13.NEIL 031-666431 00-08-30 10:14 --- Received from IT13.NEIL 031-666431 00-08-28 16:36 -> wwi(a)pease1.sr.unh.edu Hi, This is slightly ot, but seeing as the SPAD 81 was derived from the OT SPAD XX, it's at least closer than some of the recent threads. There has been some talk of how awful "Hit Kit" are, does anyone know if their SPAD 81 (1/72 kit) is worth spending money on? I think it costs GBP7.95 at Hannants. Best regards Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:20:18 +0100 From: David Fleming To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New SAMI - OT Content Message-ID: <39ACD1D1.17C5E6C@dial.pipex.com> The new (Sept 2000) SAMI arrived today. OT content is: Build article on Gavia Fokker D11 Reviews of Eduard 72 Albatros DV, Flashback SS DIII (48), Toko Sopwith Strutter Comic. On the 'News' front, most of it is 'old' for the superfast internet world. They do have shots of the boxart for the forthcoming Roden kits. Colour art for the Albatros DII, DIII, Pfalz DIII,DIIIa, Gotha GV, Fokker EV, Black + White (Box proofs ?) for the Albatros W4(x2), DIII sr53, DI, DII sr53 (x2), DIII sr 153, DIII sr 253, DV, DVa and the Fokker DVII. I know others are not too excited by the Roden kits, but the Albatros series should at least be no more difficult to build than the Pegasus ones (Certainly better than the Hit Kit or Meikraft). What's more, these kits will appear in a lot more model shops than Eduard, so hopefully will attract more modellers to OT subjects. (May be they'll get their struts right !) David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:45:26 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: thanks all Message-ID: Dear fellow listies, I wanted to thank all who replied to my recent question regarding the aircraft of Roland Garros. I know now much more about it than I did ever before. I am currently writing on an article about the developement of the synchronisation gear. Initially having in mind to cover the time between Garros' invention and the developement and intruduction of the German interruptor gear, I now see myself getting deeper and deeper into a story about the dawn of airwar. Looks like it will be a bigger story when finished ;o). First they waved hands... later they threw bottles and bricks... then they got a machinegun... Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:50:01 GMT From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Profiles are here Message-ID: >From: REwing@aol.com >I keep real good secrets, don't I Diego?!! Oh! Shhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! I guess that I should send a good number of books to the library to keep his mouth shut. ;-) D. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:55:51 GMT From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Anyone need an excuse? Message-ID: Cheers, Len! D. (drinking the customary cup of black coffee here at 6:55 AM) >From: "Len Smith" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Anyone need an excuse? >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:05:02 -0400 (EDT) > >Greetings, > >If anyone is in need of an excuse you may consider lifting a glass, bottle, >jar or tinny to help me celebrate my passage into Bonus Time. Today I >complete my allotted three score years and ten and so every day from here >forward is a bonus to be savoured as such. I intend sticking around for a >while yet, there are still many more interesting aircraft to model and I >expect to find more opportunities to poke gentle fun at lozengeluvvies and >fumblefingeredfortyeighters. Happy modelling from a (getting) happy >modeller. > >Regards Len. > >lensmith@clara.net >http://home.clara.net/lensmith > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:03:07 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Another on the shelf Message-ID: <200008301002.DAA28803@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Yes, the CM SPAD 13 is finally done. Between it and the Tom-M Fokker D.VI, I'm through building bad kits! Yea, right... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:04:50 GMT From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: thanks all Message-ID: >First they waved hands... > later they threw bottles and bricks... > then they got a machinegun... > So you know how things went with my girlfriend's family? ;-) Seriously, I'd love to read that article once published. Where can I get it in the future? D. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:24:05 GMT From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another on the shelf Message-ID: I'm sure that you have turned it in a good model as in the FokD.VI, but produce pictures ASAP! Congratulations D. >From: "Matthew Bittner" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Another on the shelf >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:07:15 -0400 (EDT) > >Yes, the CM SPAD 13 is finally done. Between it and the Tom-M Fokker >D.VI, I'm through building bad kits! > >Yea, right... > > >Matt Bittner > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:54:11 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Anyone need an excuse? Message-ID: <39ACF5E3.E721B543@ptdprolog.net> Len Smith wrote: Today Icomplete my allotted three score years and ten What???Len, you scored three times in ten years? God that beats my record all to hell. Congratulations! Mike Muth > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:54:52 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another on the shelf Message-ID: <39ACF60C.4DC399B0@ptdprolog.net> Matthew Bittner wrote: > Yes, the CM SPAD 13 is finally done. Between it and the Tom-M Fokker > D.VI, I'm through building bad kits! > > Yea, right... So, what's next...a Nieuport? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 04:12:52 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Bertrab's Bright Enigma, was, Re: Bertrab's Albatros Message-ID: <000001c01276$9cae8da0$086f6420@stephen> "Lance Krieg" Monday, August 28, 2000 1:00 PM wrote: | This plane was re-described in a more recent Windsock, with some well-thought out photo-sleuthing. By spotting the (light colored) dandelions on the ground the analyst concluded the film used was NOT ortho. So he concluded that the "comet" was yellow/red. | | His explanation of the seemingly two-toned fuselage (as illustrated by the visible difference between the cross outlines and the rest of the fusleage) was a difference in the sheen, but that both colors were, in fact, black. The citation is Windsock Vol 15, No. 2, March/April 1999, p. 32: "Fabric: Dave Roberts Discusses a Well-Known Albatros." The 3/4 page squib is accompanied by two black-and-white photos of the aircraft and an unattributed color 2-view on the inside back cover. As a key assumption of Roberts is that the film type used is panchromatic because of the light-toned rendering of daisies in the grass on which the plane rests, he must have had access to a silver print. The better for him. I can't see the flowers in the photoreproductions but believe him, but the problem emphasizes the disadvantage most of the rest of us work under. Nonetheless, while suggestive of film type, I am not convinced their tonality excludes the use of an orthochromatic type. While the 'big' question awaiting an answer is what colors were used, I am not sure we will get close to the answer only with appeals to paint chemistry as made by Brown or gray-scale matching and so forth. There are two small questions not addressed by Brown. The first relates to the 'design program.' Why is the once white border to the fuselage cross so carefully filled in with new paint (irrespective of hue)? As reported by Bob Pearson on the Articles Page at his Aviation Page site (http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1/), Ray Trochim did take this anomaly into account in reaching his color solution. (One copy-editing note: The text refers to red-sensitive orthochromatic film when it shoudl probably read red-insensitive film.) To ask the obvious perhaps, about ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:01:28 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: thanks all Message-ID: LOL Diego - looks like your engaged with a Mafiosi girl ;o). You can read my brainstorming at my website http://www.jastaboelcke.de . I wanted to create a new section called "mechanics" to publish technical details regarding the mechanics used in the time of WW1 but I will rather remove the "History of Jasta 2" link and create a "History" page which will serve as the jumping platform for the historical stories linked to it, including history of Jasta 2, the bricks 'n bottles thing and more. Same pattern serves already for the ACES page where "Ace of the Iron Cross" is linked to, as well as other stories about Richthofen, Wolf and Gontermann. Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Diego Fernetti > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: thanks all > > > >First they waved hands... > > later they threw bottles and bricks... > > then they got a machinegun... > > > > So you know how things went with my girlfriend's family? ;-) > Seriously, I'd love to read that article once published. Where > can I get it > in the future? > D. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:18:07 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Albatros Cook-up Site Profiles. Message-ID: I am interested in one of the D.III profiles on the cook-up site. The Jasta 28 bird, with red fuselage and yellow tail with black chevron bands fits with what I need to do to keep my family happy about the colorful nature of the hobby without having to do another MvR or LvR effort. The profile is marked as colors highly speculative. Questions for Bob, or others, are: what information is this profile based on? What are the other suggested color combinations (e.g. Black or Green fuselage?)? Is there any information on candidate pilots? The world, or at least I, wonders. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:25:16 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Albatros Cook-up Site Profiles. Message-ID: <200008301226.FAA00560@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:18:26 -0400 (EDT), Mark Shannon wrote: > Questions for Bob, or others, are: what information is this profile based on? What are the other suggested color combinations (e.g. Black or Green fuselage?)? Is there any information on candidate pilots? Since I was conversing with Bob as he made these profiles, I can state they came from an issue of OtF (isn't it listed on the profile?). We were psyched as Bob was putting these together, so he just wanted to get them done, which is why some (most?) of them are speculative. AFAIK, what he came up with is the only thing we talked about. Also AFAIK, it's so far the best treatise on Jasta 28. FWIW, list member TC has already build a J28w bird (although to me his blue is darker than I was thinking). A very nice model of an unusual Jasta! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:39:51 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: DH2 was: Hello all! May I introduce myself... Message-ID: <000101c0127f$69f9d0a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Matt, it's good to see your posts and a belated welcome from the deep south! >I am attempting to build Revell's old DH2 kit and am in the > process of trying to make it a bit more accurate. I also acquired this kit recently. Looks quite good just OOB, isn't it? The datafile on this subjects is very complete and it will help you a lot, as other listees already said. However, the model doesn't match the Datafile plans very well and some surgery and replacement of parts is needed (tail booms, rudder, engine). If you want to detail the interior, you'll need to mould a new nacelle "nose" in styrene sheet, since the provided part is too thick and very tiny to hollow out as in a regular fuselage half. Regarding the tail boom rigging, I'd first paint all the parts, assembling the sides.I'd rig each tail assembly side first, to add strenght to those flimsy "ladders" and to be sure that they are flat even after rigging. Attach sprue or nylon thread with a tiny drop of CA glue to the joints, trim it to lenght and attach the other end. If the rigging is a bit loose, you can tighten it up with a moderate heat source near the thread. Once the sides are rigged, add the cross members and rig everything using a jig (you can make one of stiff cardboard), so no to abuse of the strength of the structure and skew it. At least, that is my plan. I haven't decided yet if the tail surfaces would be mounted and rigged simultaneously or attach the tail after the rest of the model is completed. Please keep us informed. good luck! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:03:33 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: thanks all Message-ID: <6d.8b6c7dc.26de6025@aol.com> In a message dated 00-08-30 05:47:38 EDT, you write: << First they waved hands... later they threw bottles and bricks... then they got a machinegun... >> I like this 3-liner Yeah, a few things come to mind. Bricks, flechettes, grappling hooks, bombs, then they tried out pistols, shot guns, carbines mauser rifles.... etc.... K-129 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:42:02 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Jasta 28 seabird Message-ID: Yeah, it is in the profile, I was just wondering whether there was more info on it or the original pictures information. I guess my questions are just in terms of the provenance of the info. Now I know it was just a matter of Matt distracting Bob while the latter was trying to get something actually useful done. (;{) .Mark. Matt wrote: >Since I was conversing with Bob as he made these profiles, I can state >they came from an issue of OtF (isn't it listed on the profile?). We >were psyched as Bob was putting these together, so he just wanted to >get them done, which is why some (most?) of them are speculative. >AFAIK, what he came up with is the only thing we talked about. Also >AFAIK, it's so far the best treatise on Jasta 28. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:42:11 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Jasta 28 seabird Message-ID: <200008301343.GAA25874@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:42:28 -0400 (EDT), Mark Shannon wrote: > Yeah, it is in the profile, I was just wondering whether there was more info on it or the original pictures information. I guess my questions are just in terms of the provenance of the info. Unless there's something else out there, this article is it. > Now I know it was just a matter of Matt distracting Bob while the latter was trying to get something actually useful done. (;{) Hey, wait a minute! I would like to think I was actually helping. :-( Matt Bittner np: spinner.com (an excellent streaming audio site - now on the "New Wave" channel, Falco and _Der Kommisar_, and yes, it's on the up and up...cripes!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:53:25 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hit kits Message-ID: >From: NEIL CRAWFORD >Hi, This is slightly ot, but seeing as the SPAD 81 was derived >from the OT SPAD XX, it's at least closer than some of the >recent threads. There has been some talk of how awful "Hit Kit" >are, does anyone know if their SPAD 81 (1/72 kit) is worth >spending money on? I think it costs GBP7.95 at Hannants. >Best regards Neil I have not looked at the SPAD 81 kit, so I cannot comment directly. My experience with 2 Hit Kits, however, has been less than satisfactory. The first, an Albatros D.III Oeffag Series 153, I built and is on the WWI modelling site. It was not my best and while I cannot blame the kit for many things that went wrong, it was a most frustrating experience in general. Essentially, all the struts needed replacing because the plastic was so flash-ridden and brittle that it broke when I attempted to sand off the flash. The engine was not salvagable, at least by me, and I replaced it with one of Rosemont's. The fusleage was so thick and resistant to sanding that I couldn't get the phtoetch stuffed in the cockpit area without it bending. The lochen & tochen decal sheet was absurd. When I soaked it and took it off the backing, it was this hard crinkly thick plastic that would never lay down over any curved surface. I also have the Ansaldo Ballila, which I have not built. It is similarly full of flash and whereas the Albatros's detail wasn't too bad, the Anslado doesn't have any detail on the undersurfaces of its wings and tail. Of course, they both come with enormous amounts of photoetch and choice of markings. I would seriously consider trying to examine the SPAD 81 kit before you buy it. There are a lot more pleasant and fullfilling kits to build, including various vacs, that you should not have to waste your time building their rubbish. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:10:20 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Paper Airplane Models Message-ID: Off Topic - but... Need contact with someone who is involved with paper airplane models. I recall there was at least one list member who designed these things - or maybe was a dealer. Contact me off list - official request brian.nicklas@nasm.si.edu Brian Nicklas Archives Division, Room 3148 National Air and Space Museum Smithsonian Institution Washington, DC 20560-0322 USA 1-202-357-3133 (telephone) 1-202-786-2835 (telefax) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:26:14 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Bertrab's Albatros Message-ID: Stef was wanting more information on this plane... Dave Roberts tackles the photo interpretation inside the back cover on Windsock 15/2 (March/April 1999), and makes a very creditable case. His salient points: Yellow and red (as orange) served as unit markings for Jasta 30. The comet (or whatever) marking that had decorated Lt. Santa Maria's N.65 Nieuport 17 had received a lot of attention in the German aviation press - Bertrab's marking is very similar. Roberts points out the effect of painting matte paint over other matte paint frequently results in a semi gloss, as the flattening agents settle into gaps between the original coating's flattening agents, resulting in a smoother top coat. He interprets the wing and tail surfaces as the three tone version now accepted as the standard on Alb. D.III. "The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of management..." Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:05:13 -0500 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'WWI Modeling Digest'" Subject: Ceramcoat colors Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A249078012AB9B8@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> Greetings, With all this talk of Ceramcoat, I looked for and found an online color chart at http://www.art2art.com/Products/ProductSpecific.cfm?ProductGroupID=5428&Prod uctCategoryID=7513&CurrentRow=29&MaxCount=78 Keep in mind that these colors may vary depending on your monitor, but this will give you an idea of what is available. HTH and Dicta Ira, Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:26:50 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ceramcoat colors Message-ID: For 'Americana' Check www.decoart.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:27:37 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: OT Zepplin Model Message-ID: http://members.home.net/pminew/ Check out the 1/200 Zepplin! Cool huh? I also noticed something called Udet's Flamingo. I don't know the story behind this but it sounds more like something Goering would have had. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:31:47 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New SAMI - OT Content Message-ID: David Flemming writes (most informatively:))... >... forthcoming Roden kits. > >Colour art for the Albatros DII, DIII, Pfalz DIII,DIIIa, Gotha GV, >Fokker EV, Black + White (Box proofs ?) for the Albatros W4(x2), DIII >sr53, DI, DII sr53 (x2), DIII sr 153, DIII sr 253, DV, DVa and the >Fokker DVII. > > Slight inaccuracies not wothstanding, Toko/Roden kits have been a source of enjoyment for me. OK, their decals can be strange and there are some strut issues but given the kit price, the cost of decal replacement is worthwhile and the struts are easily replaced. I welcome the Albatros D.III stuff; a nice, finely molded, non-flash ridden kit of these would be excellent. Unfortunately, Eduard may follow up with a similar range of aeroplanes. Can't remember what a W.4 looks like but it sounds interesting. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:30:40 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Anyone need an excuse? Message-ID: Wow! That's amazing! I could live my entire life over again and still be eight years younger than you! Congratulations on reaching this milestone. Tip a cold one for me will you? Brent "Len Smith" @pease1.sr.unh.edu on 08/30/2000 01:05:02 AM Please respond to wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Sent by: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu To: Multiple recipients of list cc: Subject: Anyone need an excuse? Greetings, If anyone is in need of an excuse you may consider lifting a glass, bottle, jar or tinny to help me celebrate my passage into Bonus Time. Today I complete my allotted three score years and ten and so every day from here forward is a bonus to be savoured as such. I intend sticking around for a while yet, there are still many more interesting aircraft to model and I expect to find more opportunities to poke gentle fun at lozengeluvvies and fumblefingeredfortyeighters. Happy modelling from a (getting) happy modeller. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2599 **********************