WWI Digest 2596

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: That =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vo=DF?= F.1 Salvage Report
	by David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
  2) Re: Watt and Kangaroos was - ( Re: Lafayette Escadrille )
	by "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
  3) RE: Lafayette Flying Corps
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  4) Re: Squamble the Squasta!
	by "Diego Fernetti" <lordfernettix@hotmail.com>
  5) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_That_Vo=DF_F.1_Salvage_Report?=
	by "John & Allison Cyganowski" <janah@worldnet.att.net>
  6) Re: PD Spad decals
	by "David Calhoun" <dcalhoun01@snet.net>
  7) RE: DH5's Re: Watt and Kangaroos
	by "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
  8) Re: DH5's Re: Watt and Kangaroos
	by "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
  9) Re: New tool
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 10) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_That_Vo=DF_F.1_Salvage_Report?=
	by "Andy Kemp" <andy.kemp@iname.com>
 11) Cermacoat and 1/72
	by James Gibbons <jgibbons@vppsa.com>
 12) Re: Question
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 13) Re: Lafayette Flying Corps
	by Lee Mensinger <lemen@x25.net>
 14) Re: That =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vo=DF?= F.1 Salvage Report
	by David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
 15) Re: Squamble the Squasta!
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 16) Monogram 1/48 Se5a
	by Mark Miller <albatros1212@altavista.com>
 17) RE: Squamble the Squasta!
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 18) LSA WW1 figures
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 19) Re:  Monogram 1/48 Se5a
	by "Mark Shannon" <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
 20) RE: Monogram 1/48 Se5a
	by John & Allison Cyganowski <janah@worldnet.att.net>
 21) Re: Monogram 1/48 Se5a
	by TomTheAeronut@aol.com
 22) Dayton fly-in 
	by "Rick Tackman" <rtackman@milwaukeevalve.com>
 23) Otis done a Good'n again!
	by TomTheAeronut@aol.com
 24) RE: Monogram 1/48 Se5a
	by "Candice Uhlir" <candiceuhlir@hotmail.com>
 25) Re: Otis done a Good'n again!
	by "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
 26) Dilthey Green
	by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com
 27) Re: Monogram 1/48 Se5a
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 28) RE: Otis done a Good'n again!
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 29) RE: Otis done a Good'n again!
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 30) Re: Dayton fly-in
	by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu
 31) RE: Otis done a Good'n again!
	by "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:21:32 +0100
From: David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, "skarver@banet.net" <skarver@banet.net>
Subject: Re: That =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vo=DF?= F.1 Salvage Report
Message-ID: <39AB728B.26F69830@dial.pipex.com>



skarver@banet.net wrote:

>
>
> So congratulations to List members who spotted the association with Gerrard.
> Can anyone tell
> more about "Barfoot"?  Does anyone know of Potter or Donald?  And can the
> article about
> Gerrard be cited again?

Windsock article I referred to was in 12/4 July/August 1996.

Dave


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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:33:18 -0400
From: "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Watt and Kangaroos was - ( Re: Lafayette Escadrille )
Message-ID: <69F4987DE4D74D115AC40005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com>

>He stole that from us.
  
lol, the quality of Australian Yobbo is unsurpassed on this planet.

>>Has anyone seen photos of their Aircraft at Harlaxton or
>> St Omer with these markings?
>
>I can check the DF later on when I'm finished my algebra homework.

The DF hasnt got any of the "Just leaving Harlaxton" or "Just arrived 
St Omer" pics in it. It has a few equally rare operational pics of 2 
Sqn DH5's though (The operational ones have the thin white stripe at 
the base of the fuselage). There is a just leaving Harlaxton pic on 
page 39 of Schaedels Men and Machines of the Australian Flying Corps. 
There are also a couple in the AWM database too. Nothing discernable 
:(





cam
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:51:17 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Lafayette Flying Corps
Message-ID: <008e01c0119e$ad9fa640$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Lee wrote:
> Verifies the comnnection to the Foreign Legion and it was because of
reasons
> previously stated.  Loss of citizenship.
>

However, officers over the rank of captain must change their nationality to
french. Vicente Almonacid was offered to become a captain, but he refused to
adopt french citizenship. After some deliberation, French authorities
allowed Almonacid to become Captain without resigning to be argentinian.
Eventually, Almonacid was promoted to Major until 1918 when he returned to
Argentina. As I've read, his case was the first in the Foreign Legion.
D.


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:47:46 GMT
From: "Diego Fernetti" <lordfernettix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Squamble the Squasta!
Message-ID: <F98x0AEG2UYhPQqeViR00001a68@hotmail.com>

Ernie wrote:
> > So you were born in December? I knew there was something inherently
> > likeable about you.
Dave replied:
>6 months from my B'day (June).  Spooky, ain't it?

That's why I like you! I'm born on June 25th! But.. wait! My girlfriend was 
born on December 12th... OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH!!! Spookier!
Hey Dave, are you and Ernest "real" friends? ;-)
D.
Hiding in his trench again
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:10:26 -0400
From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" <janah@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_That_Vo=DF_F.1_Salvage_Report?=
Message-ID: <007301c011a9$bca9e550$8237183f@cyrixp166>

>From that same website:

Of course even this report is shrouded in controversy. The Barfoot-Saunt
Intelligence reports were largely discounted as frauds in the early 1990s.
The reports are attributed to the late Rodney Gerrard and exposed by Alan
Toelle. About all that one can conclude from the reports is that they were
based on the conventional wisdom of the time they were produced.

Regards,
John Cyg.

P.S. I wasn't fooled for a minute.  ;-)

Tom Solinski wrote:

> If you haven't visited the site below please do so. I'm still ROTFL.
>
> > The British Intelligence Report posted on the Voss pages of
> http://blindkat.tripod.com
>
> It is well written and the profiles of the F-I let us all have a good
laugh
> at what we've been bickering about lately.  To the site author WELL DONE.
> If you don't get what I mean, just click on the cowling at the bottom of
> each page :-)
>
> Tom S
> OKC
> If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway!
>
>


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:20:51 -0700
From: "David Calhoun" <dcalhoun01@snet.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: PD Spad decals
Message-ID: <001801c011c4$577ac620$bf0a3ccc@oemcomputer>

Thanks a lot!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: PD Spad decals


>Dave,
>
>> Thanks for the offer, but I am trading with someone for the
>> Dolan decals,
>> but he does not have the instructions.  Would you be able to
>> scan your copy
>> & e-mail me?
>
>I don't have a scanner but a xerox will be yours within 8 days. Watch the
>post.
>
>> I also need the diff manufacturers 5 color
>> camouflage shown in the instructions.
>
>No probs, them too.
>
>> And if you're ever in the Enfield, CT area, you're
>> welcome to a free beer any time!
>
>One day, one day. So long as EtH and DB don't get there first there may
even
>be a glass or three left :-)
>
>Shane
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:23:07 -0400
From: "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: DH5's Re: Watt and Kangaroos
Message-ID: <4142B786D9D74D115AC40005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com>

Shane,

>Only on the inaccurate assumption that there were only 3 aircraft per
>flight, when in fact there were more.

Like Bob said 2 AFC had A Flight as A-F. As they were moving over to France it is likley they 
were jumbled together based on experience for the one off flight. They went over in two 
groups, with Watt leading the first group. That may have been what Howard meant. 

Interestingly B Flight in 2 AFC had their numbers on the top wing to the left of the centre 
section whereas A Flight and C Flight had their letters on the right hand side of the centre 
section. 

Is that marking pattern in other squadrons?


>RLR and other historians who read RFC records and ignore the
>earlier Australian ones persist in these misnamings

To add to that, IMO they should always be referred to by their AIF names and the footnote 
being the RFC administration incorrectly recorded them with non-AIF names for a period. All 
Australian written books on the AFC default to the AIF nomenclature. 


cam
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:50:00 -0400
From: "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: DH5's Re: Watt and Kangaroos
Message-ID: <4462B786D9D74D115AC40005B80A2E33@cameron.prontomail.com>

Bob,

>Have to get motivated and go back and look at photos of DH5s and see if they
>can be seen in such markings.

Definately a marking to keep an eye out for. Apparently they took a round of photos when 
leaving Harlaxton. When they arrived in St Omer the same day with noone getting lost, killed, 
crashed etc, it was a record! So they had another round of photos taken. Must be one out 
there that has a close up. 

Maybe the roo is like the roo on the 2 AFC training Strutter in High Adventure on pg30/31. 
Ossie Watt had the 5 AFC type Kangaroo on his Farman, so their must have been a better 
artist in 2 AFC lol.



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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:06:07 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: New tool
Message-ID: <200008291205.FAA17127@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:12:19 -0400 (EDT), Dale Beamish wrote:

> What's the name of this little gadget?

Tombow Blending Pen, waterbased.  I can get them for $2.95.  LMK if
anyone wants me to order them for you.


Matt Bittner



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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:46:58 +0100
From: "Andy Kemp" <andy.kemp@iname.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_That_Vo=DF_F.1_Salvage_Report?=
Message-ID: <004801c011b3$4fb739c0$b01dac3e@5120>

Hang on now! Let's get this in perspective.

> The Barfoot-Saunt
> Intelligence reports were largely discounted as frauds in
the early 1990s.

Not so! Barfoot-Saunt WAS an intelligence officer, who
reported on a number of German aircraft shot down in British
lines. Gerard fabricated reports in the same style, but
using a different name.

Andy K


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:31:16 -0400
From: James Gibbons <jgibbons@vppsa.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Cermacoat and 1/72
Message-ID: <01C01193.801505E0.jgibbons@vppsa.com>

I caught a post from someone saying that Cermacoat wasn't fine-grained 
enough for 1/72.  Was this a joke or would this really be inappropriate to 
use for small scales.

Just wondering before I go to my local Walmart to pick some up.

Thanks!

James


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:44:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: Jay.OCallaghan@awl.com
Cc: wwi
Subject: Re: Question
Message-ID: <200008291244.IAA22327@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> I have long admired your website on WWI modeling and visit it regularly.  After many attempts, it has been made increasingly clear to me that I simply do not have the ability, or the temperament, to create WWI aviation models as I see them on your site.  I will continue to try, and I enjoy the process, but am doubtful of much improvement.
> 
> With this in mind, I was curious to ask if you could recommend any contributors to your site that may build models for others.  If possible, I would like to explore "commissioning" one of the fine modelers on your site to build one or two favorite Central Powers' late war 2 seaters for me in 1/72 scale.
> 
> What do you think?  Any suggestions on where I could try?  Again, I appreciate your time here, as well as your superb website. Thanks again.

I know some of the modelers on the list will do commissioned work. I will
forward this mail to the list and let them e-mail you direct if they are
interested.

I hope this helps,
Allan

(List members, if you're interested in doing some commissioned modeling please
 send an e-mail to Jay at: Jay.OCallaghan@awl.com he is NOT on the list)

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:06:08 -0500
From: Lee Mensinger <lemen@x25.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Lafayette Flying Corps
Message-ID: <39ABB540.8B651252@x25.net>

My note was only about the American Volunteers in the Lafayette Flying Corps.  I
am sure similar but variable rules were worked out with various, co-operating,
nationalities.

Lee

dfernet0 wrote:

> Lee wrote:
> > Verifies the comnnection to the Foreign Legion and it was because of
> reasons
> > previously stated.  Loss of citizenship.
> >
>
> However, officers over the rank of captain must change their nationality to
> french. Vicente Almonacid was offered to become a captain, but he refused to
> adopt french citizenship. After some deliberation, French authorities
> allowed Almonacid to become Captain without resigning to be argentinian.
> Eventually, Almonacid was promoted to Major until 1918 when he returned to
> Argentina. As I've read, his case was the first in the Foreign Legion.
> D.


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:28:11 +0100
From: David Fleming <dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: That =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vo=DF?= F.1 Salvage Report
Message-ID: <39ABBA6B.8679E75E@dial.pipex.com>



John & Allison Cyganowski wrote:

> >From that same website:
>
> Of course even this report is shrouded in controversy. The Barfoot-Saunt
> Intelligence reports were largely discounted as frauds in the early 1990s.
> The reports are attributed to the late Rodney Gerrard and exposed by Alan
> Toelle. About all that one can conclude from the reports is that they were
> based on the conventional wisdom of the time they were produced.
>

This was added by the site owner following Stef raising the subject in the
Aerodrome Forum.

Dave



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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:33:32 -0500
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Squamble the Squasta!
Message-ID: <003e01c011c6$55c75ee0$ce8faec7@com>

> Hey Dave, are you and Ernest "real" friends? ;-)
> D.
> Hiding in his trench again


Well, he's never brought me flowers, if that's what you mean.  But he has
covered a round of drinx or two...


DB


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Date: 29 Aug 2000 07:48:54 -0700
From: Mark Miller <albatros1212@altavista.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Monogram 1/48 Se5a
Message-ID: <20000829144854.19479.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net>

hi all
I took my kids to Mystic Seaport Sunday and on the way stumbled upon a great hobby store in Clinton CT which specialized in out of production kits.
I bought the Monogram 1/48 Se5a.
I haven't checked the dimensions - but the kit looks pretty good to me. The guy who owns the store said that it was a retooled Aurora kit. One thing I'm sure of is that it is a vast improvment over the Linburg kit - which I'm currently trying to turn into something that resembles an Se5.

Anybody know of any problems/innacuracies with the Monogram 1/48 SE5a kit?

Mark


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:23:42 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Squamble the Squasta!
Message-ID: <024301c011cd$1db2d140$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Yes, he did that in Pensacola as well... he's just friendly, I guess. BTW,
I've never saw him in green.
D.

> Well, he's never brought me flowers, if that's what you mean.  But he has
> covered a round of drinx or two...
>
>
> DB
>


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:29:25 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: "WW1 modeling Mail List" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: LSA WW1 figures
Message-ID: <025b01c011cd$ea4f3040$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

I saw and ad in a modelling magazine about these 1/35 figures, including
tankers and an officer. The ad didn't stated wich nationality. Have anyone
seen these figures? How they are?
TIA
D.


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:18:59 -0500
From: "Mark Shannon" <MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re:  Monogram 1/48 Se5a
Message-ID: <s9ab9b24.066@smtpgate.tnrcc.state.tx.us>

How shall I count the ways....

Let's start with the most obvious.  The struts need to be replaced, no ifs, ands, or doubts.  If you have the Lindberg kit, the struts of it are suitable, but you will probably be happier with scratch.  In replacing the struts, start with filling the trenches provided for the bar-type locators.  You can either preserve the detail or sand it off on the lower wing because...

The wings are too thick and are convex on the bottom.  Sand these down to a proper airfoil or even flat-bottomed from the underside and it will make them the right thickness.  Try to give the proper washout of the wing tips.

While thinning the wings, thin the horizontal tailplanes and fix their somewhat ballooned cross-section.

Remove the oversized control horns, replace them later.

Remove the rudder, it is too narrow in chord.  The Lindberg is about the right chord, maybe a little too shallow still, from the plans I have.  It does look right against photos when used.  You may want to add about 2 mm to the height at the top of the vertical tail surfaces, but this is not very noticable on the final model, and difficult to do without an entire rebuild as the shape and chord width at the top needs to be preserved from the kit..

Thin the airfoil and strut sections of the landing gear, they are otherwise good for a typical production Se5a -- check the photos.

Check the plans and clean-up/reshape the cockpit opening, removing that truck-tire coaming that's molded there.  While you are at it, open the rectangular window inside the molded raised lines on the starboard side of the cowling.  Cut out the support given for the pilot's seat, clean up the cockpit, and start detailing.

The fuselage Vickers piece is only the external portion.  The butt end of this gun protruded into the cockpit at the upper port side of the instrument panel.  You can either drill out the step coaming in the cowl and thread an aftermarket Vickers in like on the real thing, or build a false butt end in the cockpit and use the piece given.

The top-wing Lewis needs cleaning up and detailing.

I used the Eduard detail set for for the MOnogram kit in my Se5a, along with a set of Tom's Modelworks 1/48 British Machine guns pieces.  Rather than build the Tom's guns, I used the LIndberg Vickers tricked-out with the Tom's and Eduard pieces -- it was easier than following the steps to build the breech end on the Tom's set.  Aeroclub makes an excellent aftermarket Vickers, too.  For the Lewis gun, I did the same thing to the Monogram piece, first cutting the gun portion from the mount, then cutting off the muzzle at the brace strap, saving that, and cutting off the barrel and discarding it.  I replaced the barrel with .020" evergreen rod and the recoil tube under it with .015" brass wire.  I fixed the breach end, keeping the ammunition drum, added the Tom's details and side pieces, put the muzzle back on, detailed it, added the sighting vanes, and carefully set it aside until later while I poured myself a stiff drink and waited for my eyes to uncross.  I drilled out the muzzles of both guns with a #80 bit, for eye-candy.

Using the stub end of a broken #80 bit as a mandrel, I made 12 eyelets and drilled locations for them at the fuselage flying wire locations, mid-upper wing, and next to the upper wing strut locations, burying these so they looked like turnbuckles and using them to do the doubled wires.

Using the Eduard pieces for the cockpit does a lot toward detailing it, but there are several points where scratchbuilding is still needed as far as things like the seat frame, longerons and frames, and flooring details.  In addition, if you are really pedantic, the Eduard instrument panel is not right for all Se5a's.  The locations of some of the instruments were different.

If you are doing one of the 56th squadron aircraft, the cockpit sides were typically bulged.  This is especially true for something like three out of four McCudden aircraft.  Many of the 56th squadron aircraft also cut-off the exhausts, bending the mouth of the exhaust down.  The propellor needs to be selected as appropriate, and I think the Lindberg one, suitably cleaned up, is good for the four-blade.  The Monogram one is accurate for some Se5a's, from photos, though it looks too paddle-bladed and short as you just look at it.  Check the datafile for details.  The radiator and undernose areas are ok, just add a brass radiator cap and clean up the moldings to make sure things are sharp-edged.  You may have many large sink-marks in the fuselage centersection and other parts, these are thick moldings.

That is about all I can think of.  It does make into a good model, with a lot of love.  As I said, I thought it was a hand-to-hand fight to the death when I did mine.

.Mark.

Mark Miller wrote:
hi all
I took my kids to Mystic Seaport Sunday and on the way stumbled upon a great hobby store in Clinton CT which specialized in out of production kits.
I bought the Monogram 1/48 Se5a.
I haven't checked the dimensions - but the kit looks pretty good to me. The guy who owns the store said that it was a retooled Aurora kit. One thing I'm sure of is that it is a vast improvment over the Linburg kit - which I'm currently trying to turn into something that resembles an Se5.

Anybody know of any problems/innacuracies with the Monogram 1/48 SE5a kit?

Mark


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:20:33 -0400
From: John & Allison Cyganowski <janah@worldnet.att.net>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Monogram 1/48 Se5a
Message-ID: <01C011B3.B7CDA620.janah@worldnet.att.net>

Yes it is nice kit.  Overall is is out of scale 1/46 - 1/43 maybe.  The 
vertical stabilizer is too short. However, the kit is very buildable into a 
Wolesy Viper powered machine.

I like mine.

Regards,
John Cyg.


-----Original Message-----
From:	Mark Miller [SMTP:albatros1212@altavista.com]
Sent:	Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:54 AM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	Monogram 1/48 Se5a

hi all
I took my kids to Mystic Seaport Sunday and on the way stumbled upon a 
great hobby store in Clinton CT which specialized in out of production 
kits.
I bought the Monogram 1/48 Se5a.
I haven't checked the dimensions - but the kit looks pretty good to me. The 
guy who owns the store said that it was a retooled Aurora kit. One thing 
I'm sure of is that it is a vast improvment over the Linburg kit - which 
I'm currently trying to turn into something that resembles an Se5.

Anybody know of any problems/innacuracies with the Monogram 1/48 SE5a kit?

Mark


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:11:25 EDT
From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Monogram 1/48 Se5a
Message-ID: <62.6bba6e7.26dd48bd@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/29/00 9:50:55 AM EST, albatros1212@altavista.com writes:

<< 
 Anybody know of any problems/innacuracies with the Monogram 1/48 SE5a kit?
  >>

The outer tips of the horizontal stabilizer taper too much, other than that 
it is fairly accurate.  I have seen a model by Ed Boll, done OTB with a lot 
of his detailing, but no outline changes, that looked fine.  I went to the 
trouble of changing mine (used that darn Lindberg monster for bits and 
pieces), and people mistake it for the very accurate Blue Max kit till they 
get closer than a foot away.

Tom Cleaver

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:16:48 -0500
From: "Rick Tackman" <rtackman@milwaukeevalve.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Dayton fly-in 
Message-ID: <000b01c011dc$ea62e180$6901a8c0@Rickt.milwaukeevalve.com>

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like to attend and meet some of the list members. Luckily three years =
ago ,i believe, i had a chance to go through Ryder's Gunterville museum =
shortly after his death. Wonder what happened to all the aircraft and =
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:22:48 EDT
From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Otis done a Good'n again!
Message-ID: <3a.9c2caa2.26dd4b68@aol.com>

Go check out Otis' Albatros D.V at Modeling Madness:

http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/ww1/goodind5.htm

Good full-build article of the model done for the Alb Cook-up.

He even says nice things about The List and its denizens. :-)

TC 

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:25:26 GMT
From: "Candice Uhlir" <candiceuhlir@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: RE: Monogram 1/48 Se5a
Message-ID: <F41q4gtopWd7KKQpQq5000022b7@hotmail.com>

Cyg,
  I never did get the info from you on purchasing your Halberstadt resin 
kit.  I saw Tom Cleaver"s and it is very cool.

Candice

candiceuhlir@hotmail.com


>From: John & Allison Cyganowski <janah@worldnet.att.net>
>Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
>Subject: RE: Monogram 1/48 Se5a
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:24:38 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Yes it is nice kit.  Overall is is out of scale 1/46 - 1/43 maybe.  The
>vertical stabilizer is too short. However, the kit is very buildable into a
>Wolesy Viper powered machine.
>
>I like mine.
>
>Regards,
>John Cyg.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Mark Miller [SMTP:albatros1212@altavista.com]
>Sent:	Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:54 AM
>To:	Multiple recipients of list
>Subject:	Monogram 1/48 Se5a
>
>hi all
>I took my kids to Mystic Seaport Sunday and on the way stumbled upon a
>great hobby store in Clinton CT which specialized in out of production
>kits.
>I bought the Monogram 1/48 Se5a.
>I haven't checked the dimensions - but the kit looks pretty good to me. The
>guy who owns the store said that it was a retooled Aurora kit. One thing
>I'm sure of is that it is a vast improvment over the Linburg kit - which
>I'm currently trying to turn into something that resembles an Se5.
>
>Anybody know of any problems/innacuracies with the Monogram 1/48 SE5a kit?
>
>Mark
>
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:34:19 -0500
From: "DAVID BURKE" <dora9@sprynet.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Otis done a Good'n again!
Message-ID: <001b01c011df$5e56cd20$e992aec7@com>

VERY NICE!!!

Otis, PLEASE don't bring it to Huntsville!  ;-)


DB
----- Original Message -----
From: <TomTheAeronut@aol.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:28 PM
Subject: Otis done a Good'n again!


> Go check out Otis' Albatros D.V at Modeling Madness:
>
> http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/ww1/goodind5.htm
>
> Good full-build article of the model done for the Alb Cook-up.
>
> He even says nice things about The List and its denizens. :-)
>
> TC


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:31:31 -0500
From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Dilthey Green
Message-ID: <OF29950CF2.30A03D7F-ON8625694A.005FE9E7@stsv.seagate.com>


Howdy!

I don't know if my OT post got thru yesterday. My question to ya'll is...

How plausible is it for Dilthey's plane to have green panels on the bottom
crosses too? Since they painted over all the other crosses on the plane why
not the ones on the bottom too?

nb: I will have Balatre's D.V done by the weekend. Sadly, Dilthey's isn't
going to be done in time for Nordic Con.

Later!

Brent


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:43:23 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Monogram 1/48 Se5a
Message-ID: <ee.9f1ab30.26dd503b@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/29/00 7:50:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
albatros1212@altavista.com writes:

<< Anybody know of any problems/innacuracies with the Monogram 1/48 SE5a kit?
 
 Mark
  >>

I see other letters have answered a lot of your questions, but the one thing 
that bothered my about this kit was the inaccurate ribs on the bottom wing, 
both spacing and number. The top and bottom ribs don't match up on the real 
thing like they do on the kit. When I built mine, I used a modified Lindberg 
top wing but I ended up scratch building the bottom ones.....BUT- cleaned up 
and built out of the box, it still looks like an SE5a! (some old Windsock 
back issue has pictures of my attempt- I forget which!)
RK

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:45:57 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Otis done a Good'n again!
Message-ID: <033b01c011e0$fd561ec0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

> He even says nice things about The List and its denizens. :-)

A wonderful model, nice comments for us and all, but he dared to compare the
Albatros to a M***09 thingie!
Anathema est!
D.


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:01:47 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Otis done a Good'n again!
Message-ID: <200008291801.LAA05277@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:51:00 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote:

> A wonderful model, nice comments for us and all, but he dared to compare the
> Albatros to a M***09 thingie!
> Anathema est!

I agree!  What should be his penance?  Merlin, Glencoe, or...?  I know,
since he's such a 1/48th-head, he should have to correct-to-scale the
1/72nd Beechnut Fokker E.V. ;-)


Matt Bittner



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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:20:21 -0400
From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Dayton fly-in
Message-ID: <OFD3ED51D9.210A8B08-ON8525694A.006477B8@si.edu>


Rick,

Check the USAF Museum website page at

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/dawnptrl/dp.htm

There should be enough details to get you going.  I hope to see folks there
- but I'm still trying to work up my schedule.
Ryder's collection was sold off - lesson here was HAVE A WILL, esp if you
want a Museum to stay after you are gone.

Brian



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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:17:28 -0300
From: "dfernet0" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Otis done a Good'n again!
Message-ID: <036501c011e5$63f41f20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Mmmmmmh...
I think that he may be fined with correcting the Airfix Fokker Triplane...
D.

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Bittner <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: Otis done a Good'n again!


> On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:51:00 -0400 (EDT), dfernet0 wrote:
>
> > A wonderful model, nice comments for us and all, but he dared to compare
the
> > Albatros to a M***09 thingie!
> > Anathema est!
>
> I agree!  What should be his penance?  Merlin, Glencoe, or...?  I know,
> since he's such a 1/48th-head, he should have to correct-to-scale the
> 1/72nd Beechnut Fokker E.V. ;-)
>
>
> Matt Bittner
>
>


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