WWI Digest 2595 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Watt and Kangaroos was - ( Re: Lafayette Escadrille ) by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: New tool by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 3) Re: Squamble the Squasta! by "Leonard Endy" 4) Re: New tool by "Dale Beamish" 5) Re: New tool by Mike Kavanaugh 6) RE: Watt and Kangaroos was - ( Re: Lafayette Escadrille ) by Shane Weier 7) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_That_Vo=DF_F.1_Salvage_Report?= by skarver@banet.net 8) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_That_Vo=DF_F.1_Salvage_Report?= by "Tom Solinski" 9) DH5's Re: Watt and Kangaroos by "cameron rile" 10) Re: Squamble the Squasta! by Ernest Thomas 11) Re: DH5's Re: Watt and Kangaroos by "Bob Pearson" 12) Re: an interesting picture archive by Todd Hayes 13) Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros by "Jack Gartner" 14) Re: Spacing rib tapes by Zulis@aol.com 15) Re: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's by "Jack Gartner" 16) RE: DH5's Re: Watt and Kangaroos by Shane Weier 17) French Subs by K129000@aol.com 18) RE: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's by Shane Weier 19) Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's--A Bit O' the Green by "Jack Gartner" 20) Re: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's by "Jack Gartner" 21) Re: DH5's Re: Watt and Kangaroos by "Bob Pearson" 22) Re: Hello and a few q's by Witold Kozakiewicz 23) RE: Bertrab's Albatros by "Gaston Graf" 24) RE: an interesting picture archive by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:00:31 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Watt and Kangaroos was - ( Re: Lafayette Escadrille ) Message-ID: <39AB193E.831E1421@bellsouth.net> cameron rile wrote: > "I am an Australian and I don't have any manners." He stole that from us. > >Has anyone seen photos of their Aircraft at Harlaxton or > St Omer with these markings? I can check the DF later on when I'm finished my algebra homework. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:02:57 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New tool Message-ID: <25.a2ee913.26dc73d1@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/00 8:54:53 PM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << LMK if anyone is interested in something like this, and I'll see what I can do to grab some. >> Over here! (waving wildly) Over here!! TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:06:35 -0400 From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Squamble the Squasta! Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:34:05 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > > >bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > >> Hhmmmmm, that would be on my 50th birthday. > >So you were born in December? I knew there was something inherently >likeable about you. >E. >born on the 15th. Hear ! Hear ! Myself - the 8th. Also a 28th Wedding Anniversary on the 23rd. We can celebrate for a number of reasons. Len (staring at the Albatros that needs painting...it's 11:59 pm on 9/30/00...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:05:07 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: Subject: Re: New tool Message-ID: <007801c0115d$a739fd00$0237b8a1@darcy> Matt > LMK if anyone is interested in something like this, and I'll see what I > can do to grab some. What's the name of this little gadget? Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:44:33 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New tool Message-ID: <39AB3FB1.5AE59C91@earthlink.net> Matt, If you could just let us know what this "marker" is called and who makes it, we can probably find or order it from a art supplies store. TIA Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:47:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Watt and Kangaroos was - ( Re: Lafayette Escadrille ) Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7162199B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Trust EtH to say: > > "I am an Australian and I don't have any manners." > > He stole that from us. Now why would you claim to be Australian? :-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:40:03 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_That_Vo=DF_F.1_Salvage_Report?= Message-ID: <004201c01162$725c6960$f6fe6520@stephen> Lyle Lamboley" Monday, August 28, 2000 9:41 PM wrote: | It is interesting that you arrived at the same conclusion as I did but by | a different method. You determined the association of the previous owner | with Rodney Gerrard and that something might be rotten here, and my | method was more that of "instinctual". I compared the example of the | report at the Voss site to the examples provided by Alan Toelle in his | article in C&C Int. "Goodbye to All that Red" and found that the | similarity between the confirmed counterfeits and this report that is | going for auction to be too close for coincidence. The handwriting style | as Dave Fleming noted earlier this month does look to be exactly the same | on both. Let's become aviation hisstory sleuths! You the handwriting expert and me the background investigator. Seriously, though, an aspect missed so far in appreciating the forgery is the impossible accuracy of the profile and wing plan. As noted by a post on the Aerodrome Forum, McCudden described: "...then saw the triplane hit the ground and disappear into a thousand fragments, for it seemed to me that it literally went into powder." If you have ever looked at some of the photos of those crash sites--and I am sure you have--one is not going to be able to reconstruct the line of the turtledeck, precisely correct strut lengths, curve of the wingtips, etc., etc. Especially given that this would have been the first such machine encountered. Gadzooks, it's so infuriating that in wanting to have the documentary evidence one is so tempted to overlook such patent nonsense. Best regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:41:07 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_That_Vo=DF_F.1_Salvage_Report?= Message-ID: <010a01c0116a$f76b8c00$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> > Dear List and other interested parties, > If you haven't visited the site below please do so. I'm still ROTFL. > The British Intelligence Report posted on the Voss pages of http://blindkat.tripod.com It is well written and the profiles of the F-I let us all have a good laugh at what we've been bickering about lately. To the site author WELL DONE. If you don't get what I mean, just click on the cowling at the bottom of each page :-) Tom S OKC If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:45:37 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: DH5's Re: Watt and Kangaroos Message-ID: Bob, >Nope. .. where do you find references to such markings? >From Richard Howards letters; "All our machines are painted with their flight colours and look very well. Mine is in ‘A’ Flight and red is the distinguishing colour, so I have a red kangaroo on the cowling, a red propeller boss, red bands ‘round the gun and fuselage and red numbers to distinguish each pilot. I am No.4" Bit odd that he has No.4 when in A flight? >At that time they were still No.68(A) RFC .. Only in British record keeping. The squadrons was raised as No.2 AFC in the AIF. They appear in British record keeping as 68 RFC, 68 AFC and then 2 AFC. The British Administration changed the nomenclature in their records with each protest by the Australian Government that their units were being misrecorded. As the AFC website represents Australian Military history (not British record keeping) I am sticking with the nomenclature that Cutlack, Schaedel and others used to describe the AFC. The footnote being, a description of how the British kept their records in relation to the AFC. >I've seen them with white stripes behind the >cockpit in the summer of 1917, Training at Harlaxton? The only one I have seen with a white stripe under the fuselage is A9242. What others have you seen? >and then later a >thinner band around the aft >fuselage forward of the tail. yep. If they had red kangaroos on their snouts would be interesting to know when they removed them. Have you seen any photos of 5,6,7 or 8 Sqn AFC DH5's? cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:44:57 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Squamble the Squasta! Message-ID: <39AB31B9.7375FB30@bellsouth.net> Leonard Endy wrote: > > Hear ! Hear ! Myself - the 8th. You, Jim Morrison, Horace, and James Thurber. Other great people and events that happened in December; Issac Newton, born Dec 25 Kieth Richards, born Dec 18 Ludwig von Beethoven, born (don't remember the exact date) Rainer Maria Rilke, born Dec 4th Kahlil Gibran, born Dec 6th Emily Dickinson, born Dec 10th Gustave Flaubert, born Dec 12th Henry Miller, born Dec 26th Orvill & Wilbur's washing machine gets airborne Dec 17 Marquis de Sade dies dec 2, 1814 Ben Franklin's Poor Richard first appears on dec 19th 1732 And on a sad note, 12-08-80, John Lennon was killed in NYC. Survived by his son Sean and wife Yoko. (She ruined the Plastic Ono Band!) Oh Yes, lot's of reasons to lift glasses in December. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:05:47 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DH5's Re: Watt and Kangaroos Message-ID: <200008290417.VAA11217@mail.rapidnet.net> >>I've seen them with white stripes behind the >>cockpit in the summer of 1917, > > Training at Harlaxton? The only one I have seen with a white stripe > under the fuselage is A9242. What others have you seen? that's the one. .. it is on the profile CD. >>and then later a >>thinner band around the aft >>fuselage forward of the tail. > > yep. If they had red kangaroos on their snouts would be interesting > to know when they removed them. Have to get motivated and go back and look at photos of DH5s and see if they can be seen in such markings. > Have you seen any photos of 5,6,7 or 8 Sqn AFC DH5's? Not sure .. it has been at least 2 years since I last did a DH5. When I was doing all the watercolour profies I would devour each new journal; that arrived and list all the photos for eventual use in profiles. I'm tied up in IM, the Pfalz book and an OTF cover (plus my CD) for the rest of the month, but will have to see if I have anything in my photo database. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:06:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: an interesting picture archive Message-ID: <20000829040626.80590.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Gaston, I didn't see an e-mail address for the site's owner. He says he welcomes corrections. He has an experimental Halb.D.IV tagged as a Halb. D.V. TH --- Gaston Graf wrote: > Friends, > > I received feedback from a visitor of my website who > runs a very impressive > picture archive: > > Ro§bud's WWI Aviation Image Archive > http://www.geocities.com/aerodromeaces > > Absolutely worth a visit! > > btw: He asked if he may use the pics from my > discussion aera for his archive > so I wanted to ask Dave Watts if he agrees that he > may use his color picture > of the rudder too. Is that ok, Dave? > > Gaston Graf > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" > at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:28:27 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros Message-ID: <008a01c01171$98328c00$571392ac@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:32 PM Subject: RE: Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros > Jack asks: > > > Shane, > > > > Is that the same grey-green used on various cockpit parts (machine gun > > support frame, rudder bar etc.)? I'm using RLM 02 which is > > pretty close. > > > > Well, D.5390 has grey green which is greener and darker than RLM02 - more or > less the same as Stropp. > > I had thought this to be a characteristic of Albatros built machines as > opposed to OAW built using a colour much closer to RLM02, but it may be a > lot more complicated - determined by batch/period or whatever. Shane, OK, RLM02 it is, then :-) Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:29:38 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spacing rib tapes Message-ID: <9d.a0e0266.26dc9632@aol.com> Greetings! About a month ago (or less) there was a thread regarding how to space the rib tapes equally, as it is very hard to see the high points of the ridges on the wing once they have been decalled. At the time, I didnt have anything to suggest - but now, half-way through my first lozenge/tape wing, I think I have stumbled upon a solution. I futured the wing after applying the lozenge decals, and then (holding the wing at an angle to the light which reveals the ridges) I put a small mark on the top of each ridge, mid-wing, using a "Sanford SHARPIE" marker - ultra fine point. This type of marker will write on almost any glossy surface (it is what people use when autographing glossy photos or baseball cards). Once the ribs have been marked with a small dot or streak, I then apply the rib tape directly over these small markings, and dont have to worry about seeing rib ridges, etc while I work. They ended up equally spaced, on the top of each ridge, and the only thing I had to check once in awhile is that they were not shifting slightly askew (not perpendicular to the leading/trailing edges). This didnt seem to be a problem. I used another list member's suggestion of cutting the tape twice as long as needed, doing the top and bottom surface at the same time by wrapping over the leading edge. Worked for me, anyway. Dave Z ps - you folks are absolutely right. This process is very boring..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:40:53 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Message-ID: <009101c01173$55fe1500$571392ac@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:20 PM Subject: RE: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Shane says about the "green" color background for the crosses on Dilthey's plane: > Does anyone else feel like this is CG talking a load of bollocks? I'm not > arguing the matter of colour, just the assertion that the Germans would have > paint the same colour as the green in 5 colour lozenge available for repair > purposes. Seems to me that the fabric is *dyed* not painted and touchup > paint non existent. > Bollocks is not what we call it here in the States, but close enough... Which brings up one of my pet peeves - that of the "correctness" of lozenge colors. Any one who has ever tried to buy dyed fabrics, wallpaper, etc. knows that color matching differs from production batch to production batch. That's even with today's computerized (presumably) fabric production. And yet folks routinely trash various lozenge color schemes as "too light, too dark", etc.. Along with that they often say "I'm right because I have an actual fabric swatch, blah, blah, blah". Sure, an 80 YEAR old (at least) swatch. How true are those colors going to be after 8 decades or more of oxidation, let alone any handling, mishandling or other pigment altering activities? Case in point - look at the Toko lozenge included in their 1/72nd scale kits (e.g. Siemens Shuckert). Most folks have pooh-poohed their colors as being way off. Well, I used mine for lower surface lozenge and you know what? Over a base coat of white paint, EVERY color except the blue are very close matches to the underside lozenge colors on the Stropp Albatros pictured in the Smithsonian book! So, my feeling is unless it's outrageously off color (e.g. DML's Fokker D-VIII), it's close enough! Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:45:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: DH5's Re: Watt and Kangaroos Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C716219A1@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Cam, > "All our machines are painted with their flight colours and look very > well. Mine is in 'A' Flight and red is the distinguishing colour, so > I have a red kangaroo on the cowling, a red propeller boss, red bands > 'round the gun and fuselage and red numbers to distinguish each > pilot. I am No.4" > > Bit odd that he has No.4 when in A flight? Only on the inaccurate assumption that there were only 3 aircraft per flight, when in fact there were more. > >At that time they were still No.68(A) RFC .. > > Only in British record keeping. The squadrons was raised as No.2 AFC > in the AIF. They appear in British record keeping as 68 RFC, 68 AFC > and then 2 AFC. The British Administration changed the nomenclature > in their records with each protest by the Australian Government that > their units were being misrecorded. Cam is essentially correct, they were raised as 2 AFC and always called themselves 2AFC. Damned Poms could call them whatever they wanted, and did for a while. RLR and other historians who read RFC records and ignore the earlier Australian ones persist in these misnamings Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:46:09 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: French Subs Message-ID: <6b.90da96f.26dc9a11@aol.com> Is there a source of info, on or offline, about French submarines in WW1? I know there were some. In fact the German U-1 was based off of a French design. Thanks K-129 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:51:07 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C716219A2@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Jack, > Bollocks is not what we call it here in the States, but close > enough... It isn't what we'd call it here either, but I was trying to be polite :-0 Shane (Long suffering members of the list will remember the lengthy thread discussing the meaning of the word - damned handy I say) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:51:37 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's--A Bit O' the Green Message-ID: <00c001c01174$d6fda700$571392ac@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's--A Bit O' the Green Stef wrote: . It was possible then to match the > support with the fuselage green band immediately to the right of Dilthey's > left arm above the elbow. This area presents a sufficiently perpendicular > area that is subject neither to the lightening effects of reflected glare or > the darkening effects of shadow as the fuselage curves away from the light, > and additionally appears free from the effects of lens flare affects which > seem to be present in the area of the tail. > > That the support patch should match the fuselage color almost exactly > accords with my belief that basic maintenance paint colors were those most > often employed in decorative schemes except where this would result in > patently wrong results. Stef, If I understand you correctly then, your hypothesis is that the fuselage bands are the same gray-green as various interior fittings? How then can we account for the caption in Aircraft in Profile in which the author states that the color profile showing Emerald (or Kelly or some other Irish shade ;->) or bright green was verified by Karl Degelow? That statement, made by someone who was there and SAW the actual plane should, to my mind, indicate that there should be no question about the fuselage colors?! Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:01:43 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Message-ID: <010c01c01176$3faba300$571392ac@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:55 AM Subject: RE: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's > Jack, > > > Bollocks is not what we call it here in the States, but close > > enough... > > It isn't what we'd call it here either, but I was trying to be polite :-0 > > Shane > > (Long suffering members of the list will remember the lengthy thread > discussing the meaning of the word - damned handy I say) > Heh, you can be relatively polite here by just abbreviating - BS :->, but I don't think bollocks abbreviates well! Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:20:57 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DH5's Re: Watt and Kangaroos Message-ID: <200008290532.WAA13976@mail.rapidnet.net> Shane writes in reply to Cam .... >> Bit odd that he has No.4 when in A flight? > > Only on the inaccurate assumption that there were only 3 aircraft per > flight, when in fact there were more. Usually 18 to 24 aircraft. . A flight was normally marked using the start of the alphabet [A - F] B Flight was done using numbers [1- 6] some units used the middle of the alphabet for B flight [eg: no 40 Sqn .. K, L, M . . .. ] C Flight was the end of the alphabet S, T, U, V, W, X Obviously there are exceptions. . a good example is McCudden's aircraft changing from 'G' to '6' Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:00:21 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hello and a few q's Message-ID: <39AB5F85.69A9DF5D@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl> Dan napisał(a): > > Hi everybody, Hi Dan > Second, I see that Propagteam has some wood decals. Are these any > good? Does anyone else make them. I do not recomend Propagteam wood decals. I used them on one of the first Eduard models H-B D.I and I'm not very hapy with results. Rest of the sheet I used for Albatros interior - only one plase where it can be used IMHO. You can check it on my gallery on our WWI page and on our Albatros cookup page. Beter woodgrain decal make Pegasus - look at http://www.pegasusmodels.com/ Happy modeling -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:04:57 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Bertrab's Albatros Message-ID: Folks, I have found one big, double-page picture of that aircraft in an old "History of the wars special" called "Heraldry of War - Medals, Badges, Uniforms", printed in 1973. It shows clearly that: 1) The Iron Cross on the tailplane was initially standart black, outlined white but later overpainted completely white so that the darker inner black still shows through the white. 2) The Iron Cross on the fuselage is white, outlined dark. I suppose the outline color is black because this color is darker than the fuselage color. 3) The comet appears to be red, outlined yellow since the brighter color is darker than white. 4) There is no evidence that the fuselage was painted in two colors. The upper surface only appears lighter because it is reflecting the light from above while the sides remain darker but there is no visible separation between two tones. As far as I know airbrushes wasn't used yet to paint WW1 aircraft for there would be a clear separation line between two tones. 5) The wings and tailplane appear to be painted either glossy or the aircraft was still wet after rain as the picture was taken. The fuselage appears to be rather matt or silk matt. The rain theory sounds logical to me because the surface of the lower wings and tailplane are not uniform glossy but small matt (dry) patches are visible. I can try to scan both pages and stitch them together as good as possible to show it to you at my website if you like. But I wonder if the details will still be clear because I cannot upload high res scans. Only one DinA4 page in 600dpi would take far more than 100Mb of space. sincerely Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > | This plane was re-described in a more recent Windsock, > > Can you specify which, please? I recently posted a query on this > 'mystery' > ship, having been ... err...aroused by RNP's article on it. > > | with some well-thought out photo-sleuthing. | | By spotting the (light > colored) dandelions on the ground the analyst concluded the film used was > NOT ortho. > > Good for him. At least someone is getting hip to the fact that things may > be more complicated! > > | So he concluded that the "comet" was yellow/red. > > Just to quibble, I don't think Bertrab's, or other similar on > both sides of > the Front, is a comet, but a 'shooting star,' the ot "cognate" being > Lockheed's logo. [Not pure cavilling as I think it makes a > difference in how > the 'design program' is interpreted.] > > | His explanation of the seemingly two-toned fuselage (as > illustrated by the > visible difference between the | cross outlines and the rest of the > fusleage) was a difference in the sheen, but that both colors > were, in | | | > fact, black. > > This I don't buy, but it's a start. More later, hopefully, when the V*** > mystery ship is dealt with. > > | All the foregoing from memory, since I'm at work... someone > else must have > seen this? Can anyone confirm my recall, or does anyone want me to check > more closely? > > Please. > > Thanks for the heads-up and regards, > Stef > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:04:59 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: an interesting picture archive Message-ID: Todd, thanks for the info. I will forward your message to him. Gaston > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Todd Hayes > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 6:11 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: an interesting picture archive > > > Gaston, > > I didn't see an e-mail address for the site's owner. > He says he welcomes corrections. He has an > experimental Halb.D.IV tagged as a Halb. D.V. > > TH > --- Gaston Graf wrote: > > Friends, > > > > I received feedback from a visitor of my website who > > runs a very impressive > > picture archive: > > > > Ro§bud's WWI Aviation Image Archive > > http://www.geocities.com/aerodromeaces > > > > Absolutely worth a visit! > > > > btw: He asked if he may use the pics from my > > discussion aera for his archive > > so I wanted to ask Dave Watts if he agrees that he > > may use his color picture > > of the rudder too. Is that ok, Dave? > > > > Gaston Graf > > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" > > at: > > http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2595 **********************