WWI Digest 2592 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Page Updates by Allan Wright 2) Re: 1/48th SE5A by fedders 3) Re: Back by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 4) Re: Ceramacoat by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 5) Re: Pfalz parasol by "Steven Schofield" 6) Re: Squamble the Squasta! by "Sharon Henderson" 7) RE: Ceramacoat by "Gaston Graf" 8) RE: Pfalz parasol by "dfernet0" 9) RE: Ceramacoat by "Graham Hunter" 10) New(?) WWI history link by "Ed Schaller" 11) Re: Less well known contributions. by "Tom Solinski" 12) Bertrab's Albatros by "Lance Krieg" 13) Timely Dilthey Questions by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 14) Re: Ceramacoat by MAnde72343@aol.com 15) Re: Decal requests by "Lance Krieg" 16) ? for uk by ERIC HIGHT 17) Re: ? for uk by David Fleming 18) Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... by mdf 19) Re: Less well known contributions. by "David C. Fletcher" 20) Re: Ceramacoat by "Bob Pearson" 21) tips (was Re: Ceramacoat) by "Bob Pearson" 22) RE: Strange Request by "Ed Schaller" 23) Bye y'all by Mark Vaughan-Jackson 24) Re: Ceramacoat by "DAVID BURKE" 25) Lafayette Escadrille - was: RE: Less well known contributions. by "Gaston Graf" 26) RE: tips (was Re: Ceramacoat) by "Gaston Graf" 27) Re: Ceramacoat by "Dale Sebring" 28) New Salmson pics by "Jim Landon" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:30:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Page Updates Message-ID: <200008281330.JAA11969@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Matt and I have been busy updating the website. Jim Landon's and Bob Laskodi's areas have been updated. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | "I Played the Fool" - Southside Johnny University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:38:31 -0500 (CDT) From: fedders To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48th SE5A Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Patrick Gilmore wrote: > Any word on Eduard realeasing a SE5a in 1/48th anytime soon? Thought I had > seen an add or listing showing it on their release schedule. Trying to > decide if I should break down and purchase the Blue Max offering. > > Thanks! > Patrick Gilmore I asked the Eduard rep at the IPMS nationals and he said "next year sometime" both SE5 and SE5a peter > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:20:38 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back Message-ID: >Dale Beamish wrote: >> > >> The tournament did not go as I had planned!(snip) Those young guys never >>quit. A ton more wind than I >> have! > >Yep! Been there, done that. But I did it with swords. >Come to think of it, I got wuhped by a couple older guys too. >But that was an entirely different kind of wuhp. >E. I agree with E on the swords. . .tried to get back into the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) Knew I was in trouble when my armour seemed to pinch the belly a bit ;-) Then proceeded to get resoundingly beaten around the head by first a young feller, then an old feller. Time to re-hang the sword and shield I trow. That's what I like about modeling. . .even if you return to it after years of absence, it don't leave bruises. MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:50:25 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ceramacoat Message-ID: <85256949.0051D441.00@hysoft-gateway1.hyperion.com> Hi All, I have been busy at the bench doing some testing with Ceramacoat paints and here is what I have come up with so far. I used a few "test" colors: Black, White, Dolphin Grey, Red. I used the gray for most of the testing. As far as brushing, I have tried straight from the bottle(about the same thickness as Jo Sonja acrylics) and this seemed to work if spread out. I tried brushing after mixing 50-50 with Future and that worked a little better. Probably should back off the Future to 40% or 30%. This showed minor streaking but covered in two light brush coats. I brushed the paint onto bare sheet styrene and two "primed" locations: an old painted model and sheet styrene primed with Ceramacoat Matt Varnish(more on this later). In both cases, the paint covered beautifully. I then subjected all 3 to the "tape test". As Scotch tape is about as sticky as it gets I used this and masking tape. The paint was allowed to dry 24 hours. It pulled off of the bare, unprimed sheet styrene, but didn't so much as leave a flake on the tape from the painted model or the piece primed with the Matt Varnish. Next step was to test airbrushing. I used 70-30 mixture of paint to Future and this sprayed beautifully. I sprayed over primed and unprimed plastic and did several(3-4) light coats. The paint covered beautifully and didn't clog the airbrush anywhere near as quickly as other acrylics. I also understand that there is a retarder medium for this paint which I plan to try. I haven't tried the tape test yet, but it seems to stick better after several light airbrushed coats than a heavier brushed coat. These paints are very slightly grainier than enamels. Using Humbrol as a smoothness of 10, these are probably an 8. However, unless you are 2 inches from the surface, it is not noticeable. The Ceramacoat Matt Varnish is turning out to be a gem of a discovery!! It mixes perfectly with Future to cut the gloss as well as going on bare plastic perfectly and not reacting with dried enamel. Best of all, it is dead flat. It seems to make a great primer for the Ceramacoat, although it appears that any primer will due as good undercoat for Ceramacoat. I have used water to thin it slightly for airbrushing. Lastly, the cost. The Ceramacoat paint comes in 2oz(approx 60ml???Please correct me if I am wrong) plastic bottles. I have seen them as little as 1.29-1.49 per bottle. The Matt Varnish is 2.79 for a 2oz bottle and comes in an 8oz size for 7.59!!!! At 2.49 a half-ounce, we can see that the equivalent amount of Testors will cost us $10.00!!!!! While not in the FS standards, the color range of Ceramacoat is quite extensive and you will need to do some mixing. However, from looking at what colors are available, many FS colors are represented in this line of paints. They just have different names!!! Also, acrylics are safer to use than enamels, although I still use the same ventilation and respirator that I use for enamels. I still plan a little more research and testing, especially with airbrushing with various masks, etc. I also sent for a color chart to see which colors a typical military modeler will need to mix. At this point however, I am sold. As my enamels are used I plan to replace with Ceramacoat. I use oils over acrylics to paint my figures, but can use Ceramacoat in place of Jo Sonja in a pinch! By the way, I highly recommend Jo Sonja tube acrylics(actually a gouache) as a base coat for oils. I am sending this to Testors parent, RPM to let them know that they have lost a customer because of their price gouging. Let me know if there is any other testing you folks can think of. I certainly think these paints are worth a try. Regards, John P.S. No connection to Ceramacoat or anyone else associated with them. If you folks have other ideas or different types of paint, let me know!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:03:39 +0100 From: "Steven Schofield" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz parasol Message-ID: <00d701c01101$27180920$c28593c3@oemcomputer> > > > Hi listees > > > Browsing Hannant's I discovered a 1/72 Pfalz Parasol in resin (Czech > > > masters, I think). Do anyone on the list know how it is and if it's > worth > > > the 13 pounds Hannants charge it? > > > Besides, which are the differences between a MS "L" and a Pfalz > Parasol? > > > TIA > > > D. I built a VacForm 'Pfalz A1' (It's on my WebPages.) The Kit was Identical to the Classic Planes MS 'L' but had an alternative cowling for the Pfalz Version. CDL finish and black rib tapes and piping, as per the Pfalz 'E1'. Scho http://www.ww1.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:11:01 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Squamble the Squasta! Message-ID: <200008281517.LAA03760@minion.netpolicy.com> This will be such fun.... :-) E, I dunno if we can promise the kids any snow. Williamsburg is in one of those funny spots, where the whole surrounding region can get socked -- and IF snow flies in the 'Burg, it melts way too soon. The College of W&M has the fewest lost days due to snow, much to the chagrin of its denizens, of any college in the state. :-) I checked with the spousal unit concerning when we have to put in an appearance with his family for New Year's, and given that New Year's Eve is a Sunday, we probably have to drive to NJ on Friday afternoon. If it works for everyone, is there any objection to getting the Squasta together with E & Co. on Thursday the 28th? Obligatory WW1 modelling content: I actually made progress on my Alb this weekend, and took some pix! :-) I'm still working on making the engine look pretty; then I start finessing the fuselage. BOY am I glad the deadline is the END of September.... :-) Sharon ---------- > Great. For anyone else who's interested, here's the deal as I've been > told; (I only found out about this last night when Colleen came home and > told me we're going to Williamsburg) > > Arriving Wed, Dec. 27th > Leaving Mon Jan 1st. > one suite, w/king, 2 doubles, and a murphey bed, > cont.brkfst, tours for 3 adults 2 kids... > $860something. > (not bad, huh?) > She booked it over the net. If anyone's interested, I can get a link > from MiL. > E. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:15:02 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Ceramacoat Message-ID: John, thanks for sharing your test results with us. The question that I have is: Are the Ceramacoat paints available in Europe and if yes where may I order them? Here in Luxembourg stores mostly sell Humbrol or Revell Enamels. I am using both brands but recently tried Rembrandt Acryls which I find great for figure painting, especially for painting small figures. Big scale figures I usually underpaint with Acryls and/or Enamels before applying the oil paint. I did not try the Acryls on aircraft yet but wager the paint will be well suited for airbrushing because many artits use Acryls for airbrushing. Because I intend to reach not only the history enthusiast but also the modeler with the information provided at my website I am seriously thinking about the creation of a tips and tricks database for the modelers. May I ask if you agree to have your test results posted at the Jasta Boelcke website? I also noticed that the members of this list often write about their technics they use for modeling but all the messages get lost when they are deleted from everybodys computer again because nobody can store thousands of list messages. What do the list members think about collecting their tips to include them in a database for future reference? Now curious to hear your opinion ;o). Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > John_Impenna@hyperion.com > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 4:56 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Ceramacoat > > > > > Hi All, > I have been busy at the bench doing some testing with Ceramacoat > paints and here > is what I have come up with so far. I used a few "test" colors: > Black, White, > Dolphin Grey, Red. I used the gray for most of the testing. As far as > brushing, I have tried straight from the bottle(about the same > thickness as Jo > Sonja acrylics) and this seemed to work if spread out. I tried > brushing after > mixing 50-50 with Future and that worked a little better. > Probably should back > off the Future to 40% or 30%. This showed minor streaking but > covered in two > light brush coats. I brushed the paint onto bare sheet styrene and two > "primed" locations: an old painted model and sheet styrene primed with > Ceramacoat Matt Varnish(more on this later). In both cases, the > paint covered > beautifully. I then subjected all 3 to the "tape test". As > Scotch tape is > about as sticky as it gets I used this and masking tape. The > paint was allowed > to dry 24 hours. It pulled off of the bare, unprimed sheet > styrene, but didn't > so much as leave a flake on the tape from the painted model or > the piece primed > with the Matt Varnish. > > Next step was to test airbrushing. I used 70-30 mixture of paint > to Future and > this sprayed beautifully. I sprayed over primed and unprimed > plastic and did > several(3-4) light coats. The paint covered beautifully and > didn't clog the > airbrush anywhere near as quickly as other acrylics. I also > understand that > there is a retarder medium for this paint which I plan to try. I > haven't tried > the tape test yet, but it seems to stick better after several > light airbrushed > coats than a heavier brushed coat. These paints are very > slightly grainier than > enamels. Using Humbrol as a smoothness of 10, these are probably an 8. > However, unless you are 2 inches from the surface, it is not noticeable. > > The Ceramacoat Matt Varnish is turning out to be a gem of a > discovery!! It > mixes perfectly with Future to cut the gloss as well as going on > bare plastic > perfectly and not reacting with dried enamel. Best of all, it is > dead flat. It > seems to make a great primer for the Ceramacoat, although it > appears that any > primer will due as good undercoat for Ceramacoat. I have used > water to thin it > slightly for airbrushing. > > Lastly, the cost. The Ceramacoat paint comes in 2oz(approx 60ml???Please > correct me if I am wrong) plastic bottles. I have seen them as little as > 1.29-1.49 per bottle. The Matt Varnish is 2.79 for a 2oz bottle > and comes in an > 8oz size for 7.59!!!! At 2.49 a half-ounce, we can see that the > equivalent > amount of Testors will cost us $10.00!!!!! While not in the FS > standards, the > color range of Ceramacoat is quite extensive and you will need to do some > mixing. However, from looking at what colors are available, many > FS colors are > represented in this line of paints. They just have different > names!!! Also, > acrylics are safer to use than enamels, although I still use the same > ventilation and respirator that I use for enamels. > > I still plan a little more research and testing, especially with > airbrushing > with various masks, etc. I also sent for a color chart to see > which colors a > typical military modeler will need to mix. At this point > however, I am sold. > As my enamels are used I plan to replace with Ceramacoat. I use oils over > acrylics to paint my figures, but can use Ceramacoat in place of > Jo Sonja in a > pinch! By the way, I highly recommend Jo Sonja tube > acrylics(actually a gouache) > as a base coat for oils. I am sending this to Testors parent, RPM > to let them > know that they have lost a customer because of their price > gouging. Let me know > if there is any other testing you folks can think of. I > certainly think these > paints are worth a try. > > Regards, > John > P.S. No connection to Ceramacoat or anyone else associated with > them. If you > folks have other ideas or different types of paint, let me know!!! > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:15:52 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz parasol Message-ID: <003d01c01102$db929f40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Scho Thanks for the tip. I've forgotten your cute model, and a vac seems like a better medium for this plane -besides being cheaper, I guess- than resin. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Schofield To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Pfalz parasol > > > > > Hi listees > > > > Browsing Hannant's I discovered a 1/72 Pfalz Parasol in resin (Czech > > > > masters, I think). Do anyone on the list know how it is and if it's > > worth > > > > the 13 pounds Hannants charge it? > > > > Besides, which are the differences between a MS "L" and a Pfalz > > Parasol? > > > > TIA > > > > D. > > I built a VacForm 'Pfalz A1' (It's on my WebPages.) The Kit was Identical > to the Classic Planes MS 'L' but had an alternative cowling for the Pfalz > Version. CDL finish and black rib tapes and piping, as per the Pfalz 'E1'. > > Scho > http://www.ww1.org.uk > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:14:42 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Ceramacoat Message-ID: <000801c0110b$13bc64c0$fa0101c0@grahamh> I was just in Lewis Crafts and they have Delta Ceramcoat on sale for $1.49 reg. $1.79. Is this the same brand you tested John? (I notice that you spell it Ceramacoat??) If so this is an excellent price over Aeromaster and other acrylics I have paid for. Regards, Graham H. Winnipeg -----Original Message----- John_Impenna@hyperion.com I have been busy at the bench doing some testing with Ceramacoat paints... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:11:53 -0400 From: "Ed Schaller" To: "WWI List - Messages" Subject: New(?) WWI history link Message-ID: I have been unsubscribed for two weeks (on vacation), so I haven't been following the discussion on "what happened this date in 1914-1918, but I just stumbled across a WWI site that contains just that kind of info. It is already on the WWI Modeling Page links list, but people may not be aware that it has this feature. The specific page with the info on "what happened on this date" is: http://theaerodrome.com/today/today.cgi Ed Schaller ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:43:27 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Less well known contributions. Message-ID: <010801c0110f$1717ef00$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> > The Snoopy Squadron??? > > GG :o) Why YES! as documented in my pictures in the Modeler's Galleries Tom S OKC If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:55:57 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Bertrab's Albatros Message-ID: This plane was re-described in a more recent Windsock, with some well-thought out photo-sleuthing. By spotting the (light colored) dandelions on the ground the analyst concluded the film used was NOT ortho. So he concluded that the "comet" was yellow/red. His explanation of the seemingly two-toned fuselage (as illustrated by the visible difference between the cross outlines and the rest of the fusleage) was a difference in the sheen, but that both colors were, in fact, black. All the foregoing from memory, since I'm at work... someone else must have seen this? Can anyone confirm my recall, or does anyone want me to check more closely? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:58:18 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Timely Dilthey Questions Message-ID: Howdy! I'm currently working on the same aircraft. I will be repainting the green background this week on the lozenge (I had a little, okay large, mishap involving paint, lozenge decals and tape). One of my questions is what are the odds that the lower wing was painted in the same manner? It seems to me they went to all the trouble to paint everything else on the aircraft. Why not cover up ALL the old balkenkreuze with green paint? My take on the struts is they are left in factory finish gray. The lime green suits me fine too. My OOB Eduard D.Va is proceeding nicely too. I expect to have Max Nather Balatres' mount completed by the weekend. I used the Osprey Albatros Aces color plates as a painting guide for the wings. I don't know how accurate the three color camo is, but it sure looks attractive against the black fuselage. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:00:58 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ceramacoat Message-ID: <4b.266e8d.26dbf4ca@aol.com> For the last year or so, I have been experimenting with 'Americana,' similar (may be made by the same folks as Ceramicoat) from the crafts store, prices and performance the same, and as it is for decoration, many 'antique' shades, appropriate for OT projects. It dries more slowly than Polly Scale, but covers as well or better, and brushes much better. FWIW Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:01:25 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Decal requests Message-ID: Patric was searching for: "Blue Rider 1/48 Udet Fokker DVII "LO" Candystripe" I've got this, if you still want it, and I will never build that D.VII. Send my your snail-mail address off-list and I'll send the decals. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:29:15 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: ? for uk Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000828102915.00ad0870@pop.amug.org> listees, can any one tell me if it is a holiday in england today? thanks. regards, eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:37:38 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, ERIC HIGHT Subject: Re: ? for uk Message-ID: <39AAA362.9121206C@dial.pipex.com> ERIC HIGHT wrote: > listees, > can any one tell me if it is a holiday in england today? > thanks. > regards, > eric Yes, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:25:27 -0400 From: mdf To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... Message-ID: <39AAA087.16DA18EE@mars.ark.com> I just uploaded more drawings of French aircraft to my site including several factory drawings (which I redrew for clarity) of the MoS N, plus a drawing of an early war MoS H radio installation. Lots more German stuff is on the way as well. Mikef http://members.home.net/nieuport/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:53:05 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Less well known contributions. Message-ID: <39AAA701.AD800D2E@mars.ark.com> Gaston Graf wrote: "As far as I know the French Foreign Legion is a ground army only. I recently saw a report about the Legion on German TV where they explained that they fight on the ground only. They have armored transport vehicles but I wonder if they have tanks." Well, the only legionnaire I have made acquaintance with was a 'chef d'escadrons', which is the armoured corps equivalent of a major. On that basis, I have to assume that there would be tanks, or at least APCs. And weren't the members of the Lafayette Escadrille enrolled in the Foreign Legion rather than the 'normal' French army? Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:05:37 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ceramacoat Message-ID: <200008281821.LAA23241@mail.rapidnet.net> >. I am sending this to Testors parent, RPM to let them > know that they have lost a customer because of their price gouging. NNOOOOOOOOOOO !!!! Now they will try and buy out Ceramcoat .. and then they will go after future and sell it in 1oz bottles Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:14:29 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: tips (was Re: Ceramacoat) Message-ID: <200008281826.LAA23414@mail.rapidnet.net> > What do the list members think about collecting their tips to > include them in a database for future reference? Gaston, As mentioned in recent weeks, list member Steve Perry is collecting all this sort of information towards a site devoted to tips for the WW1 modeler. This will also go unto CD if interest warrants. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:18:11 -0400 From: "Ed Schaller" To: Subject: RE: Strange Request Message-ID: Dale, I've been unscubscribed for two weeks while on vacation, but if you still need this, let me know. My father left me a set of shot glasses (mini steins) with this figure on them. Never knew what it was, so thanks for that! Ed Schaller > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Dale Beamish > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 7:11 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Strange Request > > > Any members of German descent perhaps you could help me out. I'm searching > for a good drawing, of the "Munchner Kindl", a legendary figure popular in > Munich folklore & symbology. It consists of a robed priest with a > turnip in > one hand and a beer stein in the other. And yes this is OT ....... > Thanks > Dale > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:55:55 -0400 From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Bye y'all Message-ID: Finally got my summer holidays!! Back in two weeks. Play nicely now folks. MVJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:20:35 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Ceramacoat Message-ID: <003d01c0111c$b33008c0$799aaec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Ceramacoat > >. I am sending this to Testors parent, RPM to let them > > know that they have lost a customer because of their price gouging. > > NNOOOOOOOOOOO !!!! Now they will try and buy out Ceramcoat .. and then > they will go after future and sell it in 1oz bottles > > Bob Pearson, that AIN'T funny, and for God's sake, DON'T GIVE TESTORS ANY IDEAS!! I bet those bastards read this list just to bite our ideas! DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:37:43 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Lafayette Escadrille - was: RE: Less well known contributions. Message-ID: > And weren't the members of the Lafayette Escadrille enrolled in > the Foreign Legion rather than the 'normal' French army? Hmmm..... That's something I do not know so I will investigate to find out more. Gaston ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:39:24 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: tips (was Re: Ceramacoat) Message-ID: Thanks for the information, Bob. Sorry, but I did not know that - perhaps I missed the message or was not yet a member of the list as it was posted. Gaston ;o) > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Bob Pearson > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 8:19 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: tips (was Re: Ceramacoat) > > > > What do the list members think about collecting their tips to > > include them in a database for future reference? > > Gaston, > > As mentioned in recent weeks, list member Steve Perry is > collecting all this > sort of information towards a site devoted to tips for the WW1 > modeler. This > will also go unto CD if interest warrants. > > Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:18:24 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Ceramacoat Message-ID: <000201c0111f$c89c03a0$b3b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 8:55 AM Subject: Re: Ceramacoat > > > Hi All, > I have been busy at the bench doing some testing with Ceramacoat paints and here > is what I have come up with so far. I used a few "test" colors: Black, White, > Dolphin Grey, Red. I used the gray for most of the testing. As far as > brushing, I have tried straight from the bottle(about the same thickness as Jo > Sonja acrylics) and this seemed to work if spread out. I tried brushing after > mixing 50-50 with Future and that worked a little better. Probably should back > off the Future to 40% or 30%. This showed minor streaking but covered in two > light brush coats. I brushed the paint onto bare sheet styrene and two > "primed" locations: an old painted model and sheet styrene primed with > Ceramacoat Matt Varnish(more on this later). In both cases, the paint covered > beautifully. I then subjected all 3 to the "tape test". As Scotch tape is > about as sticky as it gets I used this and masking tape. The paint was allowed > to dry 24 hours. It pulled off of the bare, unprimed sheet styrene, but didn't > so much as leave a flake on the tape from the painted model or the piece primed > with the Matt Varnish. > > Next step was to test airbrushing. I used 70-30 mixture of paint to Future and > this sprayed beautifully. I sprayed over primed and unprimed plastic and did > several(3-4) light coats. The paint covered beautifully and didn't clog the > airbrush anywhere near as quickly as other acrylics. I also understand that > there is a retarder medium for this paint which I plan to try. I haven't tried > the tape test yet, but it seems to stick better after several light airbrushed > coats than a heavier brushed coat. These paints are very slightly grainier than > enamels. Using Humbrol as a smoothness of 10, these are probably an 8. > However, unless you are 2 inches from the surface, it is not noticeable. > > The Ceramacoat Matt Varnish is turning out to be a gem of a discovery!! It > mixes perfectly with Future to cut the gloss as well as going on bare plastic > perfectly and not reacting with dried enamel. Best of all, it is dead flat. It > seems to make a great primer for the Ceramacoat, although it appears that any > primer will due as good undercoat for Ceramacoat. I have used water to thin it > slightly for airbrushing. > > Lastly, the cost. The Ceramacoat paint comes in 2oz(approx 60ml???Please > correct me if I am wrong) plastic bottles. I have seen them as little as > 1.29-1.49 per bottle. The Matt Varnish is 2.79 for a 2oz bottle and comes in an > 8oz size for 7.59!!!! At 2.49 a half-ounce, we can see that the equivalent > amount of Testors will cost us $10.00!!!!! While not in the FS standards, the > color range of Ceramacoat is quite extensive and you will need to do some > mixing. However, from looking at what colors are available, many FS colors are > represented in this line of paints. They just have different names!!! Also, > acrylics are safer to use than enamels, although I still use the same > ventilation and respirator that I use for enamels. > > I still plan a little more research and testing, especially with airbrushing > with various masks, etc. I also sent for a color chart to see which colors a > typical military modeler will need to mix. At this point however, I am sold. > As my enamels are used I plan to replace with Ceramacoat. I use oils over > acrylics to paint my figures, but can use Ceramacoat in place of Jo Sonja in a > pinch! By the way, I highly recommend Jo Sonja tube acrylics(actually a gouache) > as a base coat for oils. I am sending this to Testors parent, RPM to let them > know that they have lost a customer because of their price gouging. Let me know > if there is any other testing you folks can think of. I certainly think these > paints are worth a try. > > Regards, > John > P.S. No connection to Ceramacoat or anyone else associated with them. If you > folks have other ideas or different types of paint, let me know!!! > > Hi John, What great timing, I just got back from Wal-Mart where I purchased 4 colors of Cermacoat-$ .89 cents ea. Now I'm going back to get some Matt Varnish. I have some auto primer on one model now, but will try the Matt next and let everone know how it goes for me. Thank you for your efforts, Dale S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:45:33 GMT From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: New Salmson pics Message-ID: Hi all, My latest 9 Salmson pics are posted (thanks Allan). You might have to let the whole page of thumbnails load and then scroll to the bottom - the last nine at the bottom of the page. http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Landon/Salmson/ The Blacksmith _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2592 **********************