WWI Digest 2590 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) CSM Site Updates by "David Vosburgh" 2) Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by Todd Hayes 3) Re: CSM Site Updates by "Matthew Bittner" 4) Re: Udet Bust by "Michael S. Alvarado" 5) Thanks, but cigar, was, Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by skarver@banet.net 6) The Triplane Site by skarver@banet.net 7) Re: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros by "Jack Gartner" 8) Re: Rickenbacker's kill total by "Michael S. Alvarado" 9) Re: CSM Site Updates by "Courtney Allen" 10) QMHE show report by Shane Weier 11) Dlithey Wing Crosses, was,Re: Thinking Dilthey by skarver@banet.net 12) Re: Squamble the Squasta! E.von Heretic patroling near the Potomac! by "DAVID BURKE" 13) Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... by "DAVID BURKE" 14) Re: Albatros interior by "Michael S. Alvarado" 15) RE: Just getting close... was: RE: Rate of fire by Shane Weier 16) Re: CSM Site Updates by ERIC HIGHT 17) 1/48th SE5A by "Patrick Gilmore" 18) RE: PD Spad decals by Shane Weier 19) Re: Dlithey Wing Crosses, was,Re: Thinking Dilthey by "Jack Gartner" 20) Re: Udet Bust by "David Calhoun" 21) Re: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's by Dennis Ugulano 22) RE: Less well known contributions. by Shane Weier 23) RE: Wacking self in non-functional head was:Re: Less well known c by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:28:18 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: CSM Site Updates Message-ID: <000301c01076$1a9a9ea0$9773ba8c@default> Just to let everybody know, I got the photos of the AI and Swallow kits posted to Eric's website this afternoon. Beautiful kits, check 'em out and let me know if there are any problems with the links or anything. I'm still working on getting Steven's SPAD photos up (sorry for the delay, SP!) and some other additions, stay tuned... DV ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:39:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <20000827233914.63029.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Let's not forget the ultimate triplane. Voss was the Staffelfuehrer of Jasta 10 when he was shot down. TH --- skarver@banet.net wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 2:20 PM > sp adding: > > > | There is also the Jasta 10 lineup photo in the > Pfalz D.III DF. All inline > | engines. > > Is that the one in "Flying Circus"? The long flight > line with very dark > noses? I have that to hand. > > | I undestand that the Jastas sometimes shared > airdromes as they were moved > | around to cover the hot spots on the front. I > don't doubt some triplanes > | occasionally flew on Jasta 10 missions. > > As you may imagine, I am interested in those > triplane cowlings! Of which > there aren't any! Thank goodness. > Regards, > Stef > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:52:06 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: CSM Site Updates Message-ID: <200008272351.QAA14887@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:31:07 -0400 (EDT), David Vosburgh wrote: > Just to let everybody know, I got the photos of the AI and Swallow kits posted to Eric's > website this afternoon. Beautiful kits, check 'em out and let me know if there are any > problems with the links or anything. I'm still working on getting Steven's SPAD photos up > (sorry for the delay, SP!) and some other additions, stay tuned... The parts look decent enough (even for that other scale :-) but I have one question (and I won't get into the 27 versus 29... ;-) - why only one MoS logo on the p/e set? It existed on both sides of the cowl, and was not like the earlier MoS' with the one logo on front. I see it's on the decal sheet, but not on the p/e. Hmmm... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:55:24 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Udet Bust Message-ID: <39A9AA6B.CEAFB946@bellatlantic.net> Dave, I haven't forgotten. I know its in the house somewhere But i haven't found it yet, just two Udet busts. As soon as I find it I'll send it out to you. Alvie David Calhoun wrote: > Hi Alvie, > Back in June you said that you had an extra Richthofen bust that you weren't > using and that you would send it to me. You may have forgotten, but I never > got it. If you still have this (and Rickenbacker if you have an extra, I > would appreciate it. > Thanks, > Dave Calhoun > 10 Lake Drive > Enfield, CT 06082 > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael S. Alvarado > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: Udet Bust > > >David, > > > >I have a couple of extras. Did mine a couple of years ago. Free to a good > >home. Let me know how to get it to you. > > > >Alvie > > > >David Calhoun wrote: > > > >> Does anyone have an extra Richthofen bust from the DML Triplane kit that > >> they don't need? If so, please e-mail me. > >> thanks, > >> Dave Calhoun > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu > >> To: Multiple recipients of list > >> Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 7:03 PM > >> Subject: Re: Udet Bust > >> > >> > > >> >Was looking for the 1/12 Udet bust that came for with the DML 1/48 > D.VII. > >> >I am happy to report I think I have compatriot on list who will give one > to > >> >a good home! > >> >Thanks all! > >> >Brian > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:55:32 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Thanks, but cigar, was, Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <028001c01082$4bb945c0$9ffe6520@stephen> "Todd Hayes" Sunday, August 27, 2000 7:43 PM reminded: | Let's not forget the ultimate triplane. Voss was the | Staffelfuehrer of Jasta 10 when he was shot down. That's so of course, but not in a Dr.I, having my own sick reasons for specifying the production aircraft. So you don't win the kewpie doll, I'm afraid. Best regards, though, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:58:28 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: The Triplane Site Message-ID: <028e01c01082$b418f020$9ffe6520@stephen> Are List-landers familiar with http://209.235.66.44/WW1/TriMadness/trimad.htm hosted by a webmaster from The Aerodrome? Although all is from published sources, it is still interesting to see all those multiwing platforms in one place. Best, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:21:06 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros Message-ID: <006501c01085$dd612580$571584ac@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:06 PM Subject: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros > I find it hard to believe that the background for the wing crosses is > anything but white, which from my meagre knowledge would conform with > practice. Additioonally, in my view it conforms with the aesthetic program > of this machine, which quite intentionally places all fuselage crosses on a > white field. The consistent allusion to the Prussian colors are not to be > in this or other German aircraft. Sorry Stef, but I disagree. Even accounting for the difference in position (wings vs. fuselage sides) the upper wing backgrounds are clearly NOT white because you can see the white cross surrounds against the background color! For that reason, I'm voting underside blue and since I already did it this way, that's my story and I'm sticking to it :-) > > What's BGABG? The last recourse when all references are exhausted - By Guess And By God. Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com > Regards, > Stef > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:23:43 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rickenbacker's kill total Message-ID: <39A9B10F.5ABD9D1A@bellatlantic.net> I'm just trying to picture E. in green tights in my mind. Mind boggling. Alvie Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/26/00 3:30:17 PM EST, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: > > << > I'm sorry. My remark about running around in the woods in green tights > was most sincere. > E. >> > > It's going to cost you the other S.E.5 kit for cleaning off my screen, > Heretic. :-) > > TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:32:04 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: CSM Site Updates Message-ID: <003101c01087$6425c480$8343480c@oemcomputer> I should probably let Eric address this, but from what he told me the other day the PE sheet has some errors that are being corrected. I am not sure if this issue is being addressed or if it needs to be. Just adding my two cents. I received my copies of both kits and they look very god indeed. His resins quality has improved. Courtney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: CSM Site Updates > On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:31:07 -0400 (EDT), David Vosburgh wrote: > > > Just to let everybody know, I got the photos of the AI and Swallow kits posted to Eric's > > website this afternoon. Beautiful kits, check 'em out and let me know if there are any > > problems with the links or anything. I'm still working on getting Steven's SPAD photos up > > (sorry for the delay, SP!) and some other additions, stay tuned... > > The parts look decent enough (even for that other scale :-) but I have > one question (and I won't get into the 27 versus 29... ;-) - why only > one MoS logo on the p/e set? It existed on both sides of the cowl, and > was not like the earlier MoS' with the one logo on front. I see it's > on the decal sheet, but not on the p/e. Hmmm... > > > > > Matt Bittner > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:41:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: QMHE show report Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7162197F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> GDay all, I'm back after 3 days running our State Championship hosting show and as usuall here's my report (started 4 years ago as a sort of linear survey showing the advances or otherwise in WW1 modelling popularity) Not good news I fear. Overall comp entries were up but WW1 entires were down for the first time in 5 years. The best 1/72 aircraft (IMHO) was an absolutely magnificent Ilya Muromets which never even received a Commended let alone a medal. As QMHE Pres. I get plenty of time to study the entries after closing, and I couldn't fault it at all. Bear in mind that we work the opposite way to in the USA with all entries in one scale and genre in a single section, then split as numbers dictate, so with few WW1 entries it competed against WW2 stuff as well. Maybe the judges thought that the wing roots should have been filled or something, but again IMHO it was as magnificently made as any teeny scale model I ever saw. OTOH an Eduard D.Va got a gold medal (in a different class), rather to my embarrassment. Other WW1 entries included a 1/72 Albatros triplane which was converted from the 1/72 Eduard D.Va to win a silver by an old,old mate of mine who introduced me to vacforms nearly 30 years ago! Finally in the scratchbuilt section a WW1 tank (forgive my ignorance of type, but one of the British versions) with a full interior won silver. Damn nice model to look at but how accurate I have no idea. Perhaps another 20 models of WW1 aircraft on club displays - about normal I suppose - but lots of WW1 kits and books on sale from the vendors. Collected a stack of Rodens at a discount price for a planned club project, some Eduard seatbelts and a copy of the Guynemer hardback - nice, nice, nice - and found a pile of Aeroclub wheels at sellout prices but nothing too exciting and certainly nothing new (all the Aussie manufacturers make stuff from WW2 through to kero burners, and all the overseas stuff arrives here long after it's seen elsewhere) A successfull show nevertheless. I'm exhausted but it's worth the effort to see all those modellers and their treasures in one place each year Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:28:31 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Dlithey Wing Crosses, was,Re: Thinking Dilthey Message-ID: <006901c01086$e715c6c0$c5fc6420@stephen> Jack Gartner" Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:24 PM Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros riposted with-- | Sorry Stef, but I disagree. Even accounting for the difference in position | (wings vs. fuselage sides) the upper wing backgrounds are clearly NOT white | because you can see the white cross surrounds against the background color! | For that reason, I'm voting underside blue and since I already did it this | way, that's my story and I'm sticking to it :-) There is nothing to disagree about here, JG. I can assure you that the Albatros Pub photo simply does not capture the tonal difference. If the AIP photo does, then shame on Rimell and company for a lousy reproduction that doesn't serve his primary audience. I will have to get a copy of the old standby then, eh? Underside blue then seems like a perfectly reasonable choice for the fields, I'm afraid. Just goes to show you that we are all shooting in the dark somewhat without access to original silver prints. Regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:54:49 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Squamble the Squasta! E.von Heretic patroling near the Potomac! Message-ID: <018501c0108b$95dd9800$4a8faec7@com> Squamble the Squasta? Either Marlene Dietrich or Madeline Kahn as Lilly von Schtupp is nearby! DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:00:40 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... Message-ID: <018601c0108b$96a70280$4a8faec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaston Graf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: The aircraft of Roland Garros... > Folks, > > I am currently writing on an article about the developement of the system > which permitted to shoot through the running propeller. Altough the Germans > made already some theoretical reflections to mount forward shooting > machineguns onto their aircraft since 1910, it was in fact the French > daredevil Roland Garros who had the idea to mount his gun in a way he could > use his whole aircraft to aim at a target, being first to fire through the > running prop. This happened in early 1915... > My question to you is: Does anybody have details about the aircraft of > Garros? Was it a Morane Saulnier or was it a Morane Bullet? What was the > aircrafts colors and markings? > I have some interesting pictures and drawings of Garros' deflectors as well > as of the tests the Germans ran on developement of their improved system > which I will add to that article. > > I would appreciate if list members could give me answers to my questions. > > in friendship to all > > Gaston Graf > Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: > http://www.jastaboelcke.de I think he flew a tennis racket. DB > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:57:35 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros interior Message-ID: <39A9B8FF.B34DBCB@bellatlantic.net> Mike, having built 5 albatross fighters and C.III in the last five years I'll tell you the cockpit colors I've more or less standarized on. The overall cockpit color is blond wood. I simulate this with a base coat of Testor's Light Ivory streakily overcoated with Polly Scale Italian Desert Tan 4 and suitably gloss coated. The seat was made of wood and was upholstered with horsehair covered in leather (black or brown I guess depending on what was available at the time of manufacture). All metal components were painted in a color close to RLM 02 maybe slightly greener. Todate I have used Floquil soviet green ~FS34277 for this color. My pet theory is that the later RLM colors especially the low numbered ones (02, 04, etc.) had their origins in WWI. Ammunition tanks, feed chutes, fuel tanks etc were plain steel/aluminum. Hth Alvie Mike Kavanaugh wrote: > Even with the datafile for the Albatros C.III, I’m having some trouble > determining cockpit colors, like what color is the seat, seat cushion > and other cockpit components? Were more than one type of aircraft, > i.e., a C, CL and/or a D ever produced at the same time in a > manufacturer’s facility and was there any effort made to standardize > components and instruments that were common to both types? I know its > reaching pretty far, but if you know, or think you know the colors used > in one type, is that any basis for concluding it was used in another > contemporary type? I’m mainly thinking of German aircraft. > > TIA > > Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:09:42 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Just getting close... was: RE: Rate of fire Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621984@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> > What a meant was the vibration of the an engine in general, > with the guns > mounted ontop, tended to cause the guns to shake as well. > This led to the > bullets getting slightly skewed in different directions > (slightly). If the effect is really only slight, then it's insignificant - all MG's fire bullets in *effectively* a cone anyway, even if the gun is clamped solidly to bedrock. The Army told me that the roughly circular area full of holes made by the M-60 I carried and cherished for two years was called "the beaten zone". Happily, I was always at the apex. Even better, no-one was shooting back. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:13:05 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CSM Site Updates Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000827181305.006cbea4@pop.amug.org> matt, now see this what a real sized kit looks like!!! now serioursly you are a tiny scale guy and you can't see that there are TWO logos on the pe sheet. put your glasses on and go look again. if you can't find it i'll show you. the errors on the pe are the control stick head and the pilot step as they are about 1/28th scale. plus it's under drawn and other etched. i may, if the gods smile on me, have the replacement pe by the end of this week. i am going to have to build at least one, well two of these at least. not bad for a french bird!! later!! eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:23:19 -0400 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: 1/48th SE5A Message-ID: <027101c0108e$8ca99ba0$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> Any word on Eduard realeasing a SE5a in 1/48th anytime soon? Thought I had seen an add or listing showing it on their release schedule. Trying to decide if I should break down and purchase the Blue Max offering. Thanks! Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:21:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: PD Spad decals Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621985@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Dave, > I'm looking for another set of decals - 1/48 scale PD decals > Spad XIII (part > 1) 48-008. I need the markings for 103rd Aero Squadron > "Lafayette" flown by > Dolan. Anyone have these left over from doing the Frank Luke > version? I have a full sheet you're welcome to if you'll buy me a beer next time I'm in your neighbourhood. Just LMK if anyone else beat me to it ! Shane (who would surely build all the others before bothering with Luke anyway) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:32:39 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Re: Dlithey Wing Crosses, was,Re: Thinking Dilthey Message-ID: <014101c0108f$dc3b1080$571584ac@tampabay.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:53 PM Subject: Dlithey Wing Crosses, was,Re: Thinking Dilthey > Jack Gartner" > Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:24 PM > Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros > riposted with-- > > | Sorry Stef, but I disagree. Even accounting for the difference in > position > | (wings vs. fuselage sides) the upper wing backgrounds are clearly NOT > white > | because you can see the white cross surrounds against the background > color! > | For that reason, I'm voting underside blue and since I already did it this > | way, that's my story and I'm sticking to it :-) > > There is nothing to disagree about here, JG. I can assure you that the > Albatros Pub photo simply does not capture the tonal difference. If the AIP > photo does, then shame on Rimell and company for a lousy reproduction that > doesn't serve his primary audience. I will have to get a copy of the old > standby then, eh? > Underside blue then seems like a perfectly reasonable choice for the fields, > I'm afraid. > Just goes to show you that we are all shooting in the dark somewhat without > access to original silver prints. > Regards, > Stef > Stef, If you have access to the Aircraft in Profile Series in hardback, the DV/DVa are in Volume 1, and Dilthey's plane (which I believe is the one you mention, 3/4 view from port rear with Dilthey standing in front of the cockpit) is on the top oif page 101. On both upper wing crosses, you can clearly see the white surrounds against the background color. Thanks for your help! Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:00:09 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Udet Bust Message-ID: <00fd01c010ac$d821ffa0$aa0a3ccc@oemcomputer> 2 Udet busts! So you're the guy with all of the D.VII kits! 2 busts are better than one! I'm in no hurry, just wanted to remind you. Thanks, Dave C -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Alvarado To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, August 27, 2000 5:02 PM Subject: Re: Udet Bust >Dave, > >I haven't forgotten. I know its in the house somewhere But i haven't found it >yet, just two Udet busts. As soon as I find it I'll send it out to you. > >Alvie > >David Calhoun wrote: > >> Hi Alvie, >> Back in June you said that you had an extra Richthofen bust that you weren't >> using and that you would send it to me. You may have forgotten, but I never >> got it. If you still have this (and Rickenbacker if you have an extra, I >> would appreciate it. >> Thanks, >> Dave Calhoun >> 10 Lake Drive >> Enfield, CT 06082 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael S. Alvarado >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 8:41 PM >> Subject: Re: Udet Bust >> >> >David, >> > >> >I have a couple of extras. Did mine a couple of years ago. Free to a good >> >home. Let me know how to get it to you. >> > >> >Alvie >> > >> >David Calhoun wrote: >> > >> >> Does anyone have an extra Richthofen bust from the DML Triplane kit that >> >> they don't need? If so, please e-mail me. >> >> thanks, >> >> Dave Calhoun >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu >> >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> >> Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 7:03 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Udet Bust >> >> >> >> > >> >> >Was looking for the 1/12 Udet bust that came for with the DML 1/48 >> D.VII. >> >> >I am happy to report I think I have compatriot on list who will give one >> to >> >> >a good home! >> >> >Thanks all! >> >> >Brian >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:07:36 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Message-ID: <200008272207_MC2-B131-6F85@compuserve.com> Allow me to join this thread and quote Chris Gannon on the color of Dithey's Albatros. On the box of his D.Va, 1/72, I quote: "The Albatros D.Va depicted in this kit was the personal mount of Lieutenant Helmuth Dithey of Jasta 40, April 1918. This is quite a well documented aircraft. but some errors are commonly made. The Upper & Lower Crosses were displayed on a Green field, not white as is more commonly stated. It may have been the case that before the aircraft was personalised the crosses were indeed displayed on a White field. However, after the characteristic Green bands were applied to the Fuselage and Tail the majority of the White field was overpainted, leaving on the Top Wing at least, a nonstandard thin outline to the Iron Cross. The flying surfaces were covered (Spanwise as was the custom with Albatros manufactured Aircraft) in the standard 5 colour lozenge fabric, except for the portions covered by the National Markings. After much research and Photographic study, we came to the conclusion that the Green used for the personal markings matched that of the Green used in the 5 colour lozenge fabric, not the Lime Green that is usually quoted. This actually makes more sense, as the Green paint would have been available for repair purposes. The Aircraft was kept in pristine condition, so no weathering would be visible." Just another point of view to consider. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 8/21/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:08:51 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Less well known contributions. Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621987@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP > One of my early goals in WWI modeling was to have a model > representing each > airforce which flew in combat. (1914-1918) > > I have models representing England, France Germany, Belgium, Imperial > Russia, Italy,Austria-Hungary and the USA. > > I see myself missing the Ottoman Empire for sure, (I have an > Eindekker kit > earmarked for that profile you sent Bulent) . > > I believe I still need Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania and perhaps > Portugal . > Ahem........ Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:10:30 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Wacking self in non-functional head was:Re: Less well known c Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C71621988@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP > > Wheres the Aussies? :) > > I offer my extremely humble apology to all Austrailians, past > and pesent. > > I was just jumping on to correct myself and offer an > unprompted apology, but you beat me to it. Mmm. Cam beat me too, by days. I just couldn't believe you'd include the US and leave out a larger contributor ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2590 **********************