WWI Digest 2589 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... by Mike Kavanaugh 2) Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... by "Michael Kendix" 3) Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... by smperry@mindspring.com 4) Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by Lyle Lamboley 5) Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by smperry@mindspring.com 6) Re: Austin Model Show by "The Shannons" 7) Re: se 5a by "Matthew Bittner" 8) Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... by "Matthew Bittner" 9) Re: Austin Model Show by smperry@mindspring.com 10) Re: Couldn't resist, was: The frog thing by "David C. Fletcher" 11) Re: Less well known contributions. by "David C. Fletcher" 12) Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by Lyle Lamboley 13) Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... by MAnde72343@aol.com 14) Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by MAnde72343@aol.com 15) Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by smperry@mindspring.com 16) Re: Austin Model Show by "The Shannons" 17) RE: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by "Gaston Graf" 18) Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... by K129000@aol.com 19) web site update by Dennis Ugulano 20) Re: se 5a by Dennis Ugulano 21) Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... by "Bob Pearson" 22) Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... by "Michael Kendix" 23) Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros by "Jack Gartner" 24) Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros by Otisgood@aol.com 25) Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by skarver@banet.net 26) Danke, was, Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by skarver@banet.net 27) Thanks and follow-up, was, Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by skarver@banet.net 28) Re: 1/72nd SPAD advice by "Diego Fernetti" 29) Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by skarver@banet.net 30) Re: Albatros question by "Diego Fernetti" 31) Re: Thanks and follow-up, was, Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by smperry@mindspring.com 32) Re: Thanks and follow-up, was, Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by MAnde72343@aol.com 33) Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros by skarver@banet.net 34) New Address For Tom Cleaver by TomTheAeronut@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:47:34 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... Message-ID: <39A95436.AE3DB31B@earthlink.net> Gaston Graf asked, "My question to you is: Does anybody have details about the aircraft of Garros? Was it a Morane Saulnier or was it a Morane Bullet? What was the aircrafts colors and markings? Gaston, Harry Woodman, in his book, Early Aircraft Armament, says Garros was assigned to Escadrille MS 23, at St. Cyr in 1914. The unit's equipment was the Morane-Saulnier Type L "Parasol". Woodman continues that Garros was aware of Saulnier's gun experiments and visited him in Paris. He subsequently was able to acquire one of the armored props that Saulnier had prepared and had it fitted to an old Morane-Saulnier Type G. Hope this gives you a lead. Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:57:17 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... Message-ID: >My question to you is: Does anybody have details about the aircraft of >Garros? Was it a Morane Saulnier or was it a Morane Bullet? What was >the >aircrafts colors and markings? >I have some interesting pictures and drawings of Garros' deflectors as > >well as of the tests the Germans ran on developement of their improved > >system which I will add to that article. > Gaston: Page 45 of "The Canvas falcons" says he first tried it on a M/S type N using a Hotchkiss .303. I would caution you, however, that this book has a number of mistakes and is a less reliable source of information. On the hand, it is well written and "readable", unlike other more technical but less absorbing accounts. Michael ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:14:08 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... Message-ID: <003a01c01041$d50d2120$410d56d1@default> > Page 45 of "The Canvas falcons" says he first tried it on a M/S type N using > a Hotchkiss .303. I would caution you, however, that this book has a number > of mistakes and is a less reliable source of information. On the hand, it > is well written and "readable", unlike other more technical but less > absorbing accounts Bruce & Woodman say it was an L that first flew with the plates in combat and it was an L that Garros went down in. The score so far is Canvas Falcons vs Woodman & Bruce. Any other sources supporting either side of the question? Is there a surviving German account of the Garros capture? sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:25:15 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <20000827.122517.-152293.0.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Stef, >From what I've read, Jasta 10 was the one staffel in JGI that was fully equipped with inline-engined aircraft and that the Dr.I was assigned to Js 4, 6, and 11 when the production run came into full swing. Although there is a picture of a Dr.I purpoted to be that of Erich Lowenhardt's and painted yellow, I don't believe Dr.Is were assigned to J10 in any great number, if at all. If you would like, I could send you a scan of that particular Dr.I of Erich L. in case you don't have it. HTH-- Best, Lyle On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:25:45 -0400 (EDT) skarver@banet.net writes: > Was J10 equipped with Triplanes? If so where are the published > photos? > There aren't any in "Flying Circus" nor the original Dr.I "Special," > except > for a pranged aircraft behind the tents on which the unit markings, > if any, > are obscured. > Any List member who goes the extra mile and can provide a scan or to > will be > greatly appreciated. > TIA, > Stef > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:33:55 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <002a01c0104c$fa2d3700$790d56d1@default> There is a photo in Imre'a German Fighter Units June 1917 - 1918 of a line up of Dr.1s that is captioned as triplanes of Jasta 6 and 10. (p.13) Many appear to have striped tailplanes. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:35:00 -0500 From: "The Shannons" To: Subject: Re: Austin Model Show Message-ID: <004101c0104d$2114a060$4ad48ad1@shark> Thank you. I was a bit shocked at that one winning, I guess because it was such a fight to the finish to build .Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Eaton To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 7:35 PM Subject: Austin Model Show > I am pleased to report that the Austin show was a success despite the nearby > road closings. A good group of OT entries this year. > > 3 - 1/48 > 4- 1/72 > > Let me be the first to congratulate our own chemically minded, golden > throated, > Mark Shannon for taking first in 1/48 biplanes, struts and wires category! > Mark did a remarkable job building up the old Monogram SE5a into a show > winner! > Cleanest rigging and model I have seen in some time. > > Congrats Mark! > > Regards, > > Richard > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:34:01 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: se 5a Message-ID: <200008271733.KAA03124@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:35:52 -0400 (EDT), wmsol wrote: > I am new to this list and I have a simple request. I am after 1/72 aircraft > and in particular SE5A and or DH2. Any out there? Welcome! Especially since you model in the Correct Scale. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:42:12 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... Message-ID: <200008271741.KAA18461@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Although I haven't looked lately, I believe the French book on Guynemer might have something on Garros' Type L. I think there's a color plate, but my memory is failing...... Matt Bittner nb: About the rig the SPAD 13 - woo hoo! nu: Finish the Hawkeye Dr.I finished as a Jasta 11 machine fdtr: Two more Dr.I's, two HB D.I's, and who can remember the rest...gads... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:46:00 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Austin Model Show Message-ID: <003601c0104e$aa27c340$790d56d1@default> Congratulations on the win Mark! Any photos likely? sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:45:45 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Couldn't resist, was: The frog thing Message-ID: <39A953C9.A515F951@mars.ark.com> Gaston Graf wrote: "May I correct an error? The war of '40 is "la guerre de quarante" (quarante=40) and the war of '14 is "la guerre de quatorze" because quatorze=14..." I knew that! I just typed them backwards thereby inadvertently proving that non-native speakers make mistakes... There! Their! They're! Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:45:50 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Less well known contributions. Message-ID: <39A953CE.E919FBDD@mars.ark.com> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > One of my early goals in WWI modeling was to have a model representing each > airforce which flew in combat. (1914-1918) The Canadian Air Force was approved in lots of time, but the first squadron actually formed on 20 November 1918. So I suppose we miss out... However, there were some 13,000 Canadians in the Royal Air Force including 850 on secondment from the Overseas Military Forces of Canada - in other words drawing Canadian salaries. Maybe we qualify after all! Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:56:05 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <20000827.135607.-152293.6.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> Steve, Imrie changed his mind when he wrote in THE FOKKER TRIPLANE on pg. 57 that "Jasta 10 never received the Fokker Dr.I. It appears that isolated examples were operated by Jasta 10, presumably for specific duties, such as attacks on observation balloons, when pilots and their triplanes from J6 or J11 were attached to J10 for varying periods." Cheers, Lyle On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:34:20 -0400 (EDT) smperry@mindspring.com writes: > There is a photo in Imre'a German Fighter Units June 1917 - 1918 of a > line > up of Dr.1s that is captioned as triplanes of Jasta 6 and 10. (p.13) > Many > appear to have striped tailplanes. > > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:59:49 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... Message-ID: Raymond Saulnier had reportedly been experimenting with an interrupter setup since 1912, at the urging of Garros; there is the suggestion that a disconnected Saulnier interrupter was on Garro's type L (giving Fokker a head start on his gear). LVG and the Russian, Poplavko, had also attempted designing an interrupter, and LVG's man, Schneider, had a patent, as did the Edwards brothers in England- all before the war. Saulnier had successfully fired his interrupter in 1913, but the Hotchkiss LMG was not very reliable or predictable, and at the time it was the only MG light enough to be mounted on an aircraft; the steel wedges were, imvho, a desperation development. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:05:43 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <66.6ec2dbd.26dab277@aol.com> Except for Voss, Jasta 10 didn't seem to have flown the Tripe; they seem to have been the first unit to be totally equipped with the DVII. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:19:45 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <004601c01053$61696140$790d56d1@default> > Steve, > Imrie changed his mind when he wrote in THE FOKKER TRIPLANE on pg. 57 > that "Jasta 10 never received the Fokker Dr.I. It appears that isolated > examples were operated by Jasta 10, presumably for specific duties, such > as attacks on observation balloons, when pilots and their triplanes from > J6 or J11 were attached to J10 for varying periods." > Cheers, Lyle That makes loads of sense. The photo is from the rear of the lineup and all the tailplanes that are clearly visible have stripes. A later photo of E.Vs with striped tailplanes is labeled as Jasta 6 so I guess the stripes tell the tale. There is also the Jasta 10 lineup photo in the Pfalz D.III DF. All inline engines. I undestand that the Jastas sometimes shared airdromes as they were moved around to cover the hot spots on the front. I don't doubt some triplanes occasionally flew on Jasta 10 missions. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:24:36 -0500 From: "The Shannons" To: Subject: Re: Austin Model Show Message-ID: <002601c01054$0f105600$4ad48ad1@shark> I keep meaning to get some, but the spirit is willing and the flesh is weak, or vice versa. I promise, I will get some done. (the last ones I took came out too washed out . I need to adjust my setup. .Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Austin Model Show > Congratulations on the win Mark! > > Any photos likely? > > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:36:41 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: The striped tailplanes was certainly belonging to Jasta 6 aircraft. Gaston > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > smperry@mindspring.com > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 7:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? > > > There is a photo in Imre'a German Fighter Units June 1917 - 1918 of a line > up of Dr.1s that is captioned as triplanes of Jasta 6 and 10. (p.13) Many > appear to have striped tailplanes. > > sp > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:01:05 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... Message-ID: In a message dated 00-08-27 10:14:05 EDT, you write: << Roland Garros who had the idea to mount his gun in a way he could use his whole aircraft to aim at a target, being first to fire through the running prop. This happened in early 1915... My question to you is: Does anybody have details about the aircraft of Garros? Was it a Morane Saulnier or was it a Morane Bullet? What was the aircrafts colors and markings? >> I am fairly certain he flew both the Morane-Saulnier type-L and N with the deflector gear. There are pictures of him in the type n cockpit, at least. It wasn't Garros' idea, IIRC, though he tested it in combat. It is worth noting that just before the outbreak of war in 1914 the French did develop synchornizer gear. It used a Hotckiss machine gun. Unfortunatelt this weapon was not easy to adapt to the sychronizer mechanism, and they had some bad amunition which experienced delayed firings. Other than that it worked. Unfortunately the experiements were not continued because the hotchkiss was needed at the front. K-129 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:05:14 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: web site update Message-ID: <200008271505_MC2-B137-C2F4@compuserve.com> Everyone, The web site has been revised again. The photos are getting better and the camera is getting easier to use. The rechargable batteries are the only way to go. I added a Pomilio PE to the Italian page. Also on the Italian page, I revised the Ansaldo SVA5 photos. On the British page you will find the Revell DH-2 and the Siemens Schurkert DDR1 Triplane photos have been upgraded on the German page. Let me know if there any problems. The server does not send you back to the photos but back to the main page. Can't see any reason for that here. I will also be breaking down the German and British page into sub-categories as they are getting too big. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 8/21/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:05:12 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: se 5a Message-ID: <200008271505_MC2-B137-C2F3@compuserve.com> Welcome to the fun house and a fellow 1/72 builder, >> am new to this list and I have a simple request << We excel in simple request and you will find this group very helpful. As already mentioned, 1/72, Revell has both the DH-2 and SE5a. Both are old but buildable kits. Pegasus has recently finished his DH-2. I have yet to build this one. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 8/21/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:27:17 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... Message-ID: <200008271956.MAA27634@mail.rapidnet.net> There is a definitive series of articles in WW1 Aero on the developement of synchronizers that ran a few years agos. I would trust Bruce & Woodman over Longstreet. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:52:29 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... Message-ID: >I am fairly certain he flew both the Morane-Saulnier type-L and N with >the >deflector gear. There are pictures of him in the type n cockpit, >at >least. > >K-129 "Storks", page 12 says he used it in a type "L" to score MS 26's firt victory on April 1, 1915, dowing an Albatros 2-seater over Westkapelle. Michael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:27:18 -0400 From: "Jack Gartner" To: Subject: Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros Message-ID: <004f01c01065$3f6b1ea0$571584ac@tampabay.rr.com> All, I'm moving right along on my contribution to the Albatros cookup (Helmuth Dilthey's Jasta 40 green/white/lozenge DVa), but have discovered that there are a couple of ambiguities in the color scheme. 1) Strut color? The Aircraft in Profile (my sole reference) color profile indicates they are light blue. In the actual a/c photo only a small portion of an interplane strut is in the light. It is definitely not white, but appears to be similar in shading to the green fuselage bands. I don't think they're underside blue because I believe the wing background for the crosses are underside blue (I don't agree with those that think they are green because the shading is distinctly different). 2) Axle fairing. Would it be lozenge covered or painted? If painted, I would assume it was painted to fit the a/c color scheme so what's the prevailing opinion, white or green? If anyone has reference info, please let me know. If not, I'll have to use the old standbys BGABG and Dicta Ira. TIA Jack Gartner IPMS/USA 30538 diaphus@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:06:21 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros Message-ID: In a message dated 8/27/00 3:27:34 PM Central Daylight Time, diaphus@tampabay.rr.com writes: > 2) Axle fairing. Would it be lozenge covered or painted? If painted, I > would assume it was painted to fit the a/c color scheme so what's the > prevailing opinion, white or green? > The axle fairing is made of plywood so it would most lkely NOT be lozenge coverd. My guess is that it's left "natural" but of course could have been painted. OG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:51:12 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <002301c01068$8b0cf7e0$9ffe6520@stephen> Thanks, sp. Do many have the appropriate 'dark' cowlings? Are you scan-enabled? If yes, and are willing, eye-candy will be appreciated as I do not have access to this title. Thanks & regards, Stef And why didn't Albatros Pubs supply any of this in two reference volumes? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? | There is a photo in Imre'a German Fighter Units June 1917 - 1918 of a line | up of Dr.1s that is captioned as triplanes of Jasta 6 and 10. (p.13) Many | appear to have striped tailplanes. | | sp | | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:00:07 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Danke, was, Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <005701c01069$c9d27f80$9ffe6520@stephen> Yummy, Lyle. This is grist for my position paper favoring the Green Party on the Voss F.1 matter. I am surprised that Imrie wouldn't have realized it himself. I hope to get my 'first installment' over to Gaston tonight. But the best laid plans, etc. I wish I had this title, but little did I know I would get so caught up in all this when it was published. Thank goodness for this good List. Regards, Stef ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? | Steve, | Imrie changed his mind when he wrote in THE FOKKER TRIPLANE on pg. 57 | that "Jasta 10 never received the Fokker Dr.I. It appears that isolated | examples were operated by Jasta 10, presumably for specific duties, such | as attacks on observation balloons, when pilots and their triplanes from | J6 or J11 were attached to J10 for varying periods." | Cheers, Lyle | | | On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:34:20 -0400 (EDT) smperry@mindspring.com writes: | > There is a photo in Imre'a German Fighter Units June 1917 - 1918 of a | > line | > up of Dr.1s that is captioned as triplanes of Jasta 6 and 10. (p.13) | > Many | > appear to have striped tailplanes. | > | > sp | > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:02:15 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Thanks and follow-up, was, Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <005e01c0106a$160862c0$9ffe6520@stephen> Do I take it that they transitioned from Pfalz D.III's to Fokker D.VII's, then? Can you supply timeframe for equipping with the Dutchman's machines? Many thanks, Stef ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? | Except for Voss, Jasta 10 didn't seem to have flown the Tripe; they seem to | have been the first unit to be totally equipped with the DVII. | Merrill | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:20:14 GMT From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/72nd SPAD advice Message-ID: >For all you 1/72nd builders out there - should I represent this with >two wires, one wire, or .010 strip? TIA! I'd go with fine gauge fishing tinsel, it can be a lot thinner than styrene and still be strong to be tightened. I bought some "gunmetal" colored tinsel at an Orvis Shop nearby. D. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:07:19 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <006501c0106a$cb02a5a0$9ffe6520@stephen> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 2:20 PM sp adding: | There is also the Jasta 10 lineup photo in the Pfalz D.III DF. All inline | engines. Is that the one in "Flying Circus"? The long flight line with very dark noses? I have that to hand. | I undestand that the Jastas sometimes shared airdromes as they were moved | around to cover the hot spots on the front. I don't doubt some triplanes | occasionally flew on Jasta 10 missions. As you may imagine, I am interested in those triplane cowlings! Of which there aren't any! Thank goodness. Regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:27:21 GMT From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros question Message-ID: Have you decided wich colours the engine cowl should be in that particular aircraft? (even if overpainted with a personal marking) I'd go with the same colour. Ah! and I believe that the combination light grey/varnished wood looks far better than grey-green/varnished wood (as in the NASM albatros) D. These two answers are for questions posed 2 days ago... is it too late to be of any help? >From: "Matthew Bittner" >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Albatros question >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:05:44 -0400 (EDT) > >What color should the metal parts be in an Albatros D.V cockpit? Grey, >light grey, grey-green, or...? TIA! > > >Matt Bittner > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:30:30 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Thanks and follow-up, was, Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <003301c0106e$0706b160$4c0256d1@default> > Do I take it that they transitioned from Pfalz D.III's to Fokker D.VII's, > then? Can you supply timeframe for equipping with the Dutchman's machines? > Many thanks, > Stef The Pfalz lineup photo in the DF and the Profile Pub is captioned to have been taken at Courtrai. No date, but if you know when J10 was there, you will know it was after then when they got D.VIIs FWLIW sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:58:58 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thanks and follow-up, was, Re: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <24.9c76f44.26dae922@aol.com> April and May, 1918 (about as soon as they were available) Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:44:29 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Thinking Dilthey, was, Re: Two Questions About Dilthey's Albatros Message-ID: <00a201c0106f$fcd67020$9ffe6520@stephen> "Jack Gartner" Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:30 PM writes: | I'm moving right along on my contribution to the Albatros cookup (Helmuth | Dilthey's Jasta 40 green/white/lozenge DVa), but have discovered that there | are a couple of ambiguities in the color scheme. If the AIP photo is a 3/4 rear view with Dilthey at attention by the cockpit of his bird, it is also reproduced in the Albatros Fighters "Special." I do not see any ambiguities assuming that there is a documented source for the green bands. | | 1) Strut color? The Aircraft in Profile (my sole reference) color profile | indicates they are light blue. In the actual a/c photo only a small portion | of an interplane strut is in the light. It is definitely not white, but | appears to be similar in shading to the green fuselage bands. I don't think | they're underside blue because I believe the wing background for the crosses | are underside blue (I don't agree with those that think they are green | because the shading is distinctly different). In the Abatros Pub photo the illuminated portion of the strut is most definitely not the same tonality of the green bands. I am sure if you have a scanner an make the comparison, you will validate this. Of course, you will have to pick from a an area of green band not spuriously lightened by refelcted glare and lens flare. I suggest the area just at the apex of Dilthey's left elbow which avoids the high-luminance area on the fuselage as it rounds upward and the low-luminance area of the fuselage as it falls away into shadow below. The tonality of that little bit of strut is most definitely in the range of what is seen on good exposures of orthochromatic film of the turquoise of Fokker Dr.I triplane struts. So. a light 'airframe'/sky blue. I find it hard to believe that the background for the wing crosses is anything but white, which from my meagre knowledge would conform with practice. Additioonally, in my view it conforms with the aesthetic program of this machine, which quite intentionally places all fuselage crosses on a white field. The consistent allusion to the Prussian colors are not to be in this or other German aircraft. | 2) Axle fairing. Would it be lozenge covered or painted? If painted, I | would assume it was painted to fit the a/c color scheme so what's the | prevailing opinion, white or green? Fabric coverings are made to cover frameworks, whether wings or fuselages, and are most easily fitted to them. It is unfortunate that the pilots thought their personal markings were more important than almost anything else on their aircraft, and there is no clear axle wing photograph in the whole of the "Special." This being said, horizontal surfaces especially flying surfaces, are consistently finished in a different manner from fuselage surfaces, and, where visible, the dark-appearing axle wings suggest that they are painted a dark color. Choose your favortie, but I vote for metalwork green. | If anyone has reference info, please let me know. If not, I'll have to use | the old standbys BGABG and Dicta Ira. Speculation definitely required in places. What's BGABG? Regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:09:22 EDT From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: New Address For Tom Cleaver Message-ID: <18.1919cd6.26daeb92@aol.com> Hi, all: Effective immediately, my old e-mail address "Albatrosdv@aol.com" is no longer operational. The new address is: TomTheAeronut@aol.com Also effective immediately, my personal website "The Aeronut" is "off the air." This is only temporary, and it will go to its new and much bigger home (where the a2a photos can all be much bigger) over the course of the next few weeks. Will those of you who correspond with me off-list take a moment and send me an a-mail? That way I can have the computer copy your address to the address book, which means it is far less likely to end up with a typo in it, which will make all communication difficult. :-) Any of you who have me on Instant Messenger should change the screenname appropriately. TIA Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2589 **********************