WWI Digest 2588 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Austin Model Show by "Richard Eaton" 2) Re: Albatros interior by skarver@banet.net 3) Re: Squamble the Squasta! E.von Heretic patroling near the Potomac! by Ernest Thomas 4) Re: Couldn't resist, was: The frog thing by skarver@banet.net 5) Re: Decal requests by "Patrick Gilmore" 6) Re: RNP's reply to "Who Said That..." by "Bob Pearson" 7) Re: Udet Bust by "David Calhoun" 8) HTML Off? was, Re: RNP's reply by skarver@banet.net 9) Re: HTML Off? was, Re: RNP's reply by Zulis@aol.com 10) Re: Decal requests by "Dale Sebring" 11) Re: Decal requests by "Dale Sebring" 12) Thanks, Allan by REwing@aol.com 13) Re: Now - Bishop - was Re: Rickenbacker's kill total by mdf 14) RE: Couldn't resist, was: The frog thing by "Gaston Graf" 15) se 5a by "wmsol" 16) RE: Couldn't resist, was: The frog thing by "Gaston Graf" 17) Re: se 5a by smperry@mindspring.com 18) Less well known contributions. by smperry@mindspring.com 19) Re: E.von Heretic patroling near the James! by "Leonard Endy" 20) Re: Less well known contributions. by "cameron rile" 21) Wacking self in non-functional head was:Re: Less well known contributions. by smperry@mindspring.com 22) Re: Wacking self in non-functional head was:Re: Less well known contributions. by "cameron rile" 23) Re: Wacking self in non-functional head was:Re: Less well known by Ernest Thomas 24) The aircraft of Roland Garros... by "Gaston Graf" 25) Re: Wacking self in non-functional head was:Re: Less well known contributions. by smperry@mindspring.com 26) Jasta 10 Dr.I's? by skarver@banet.net 27) Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... by skarver@banet.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:30:55 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Austin Model Show Message-ID: <001901c00fbe$11ab0f40$4849a218@austin.rr.com> I am pleased to report that the Austin show was a success despite the nearby road closings. A good group of OT entries this year. 3 - 1/48 4- 1/72 Let me be the first to congratulate our own chemically minded, golden throated, Mark Shannon for taking first in 1/48 biplanes, struts and wires category! Mark did a remarkable job building up the old Monogram SE5a into a show winner! Cleanest rigging and model I have seen in some time. Congrats Mark! Regards, Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:24:38 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Albatros interior Message-ID: <007901c00fbd$31a1d960$8bfe6520@stephen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Kavanaugh" Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 7:52 PM Even with the datafile for the Albatros C.III, I'm having some trouble determining cockpit colors, like what color is the seat, seat cushion and other cockpit components? Were more than one type of aircraft, i.e., a C, CL and/or a D ever produced at the same time in a manufacturer's facility and was there any effort made to standardize components and instruments that were common to both types? I know its reaching pretty far, but if you know, or think you know the colors used in one type, is that any basis for concluding it was used in another contemporary type? I'm mainly thinking of German aircraft. _________ Of the top of my head, metal work on both sides was generally handled in a different way from fabric surfaces. From the polished cowls of the Sopwiths to the riffled ones of the early Fokkers and from the black of an Avro to the grays of the Albatros. By and large the earlier Albatros scouts sport a light gray finish on metal work, in common with many other types. Arguably, this is in the range of the later Luftwaffe RLM 02, but I know of no contemporary support for specing out this color. Later Albatros, the D.V series, generally appear with darker-colored metal work, presumambly in the range of strong middle green employed on NASM's restored 'Stropp.' Visit NASM on the web for some excellent interior shots. Pardons, but I forget the Australian List member who has provided an FS number for the green used on the captured one restored now in Canberra. I would expect metal work on the inside and out to use the same enamel. So for early ships, the light gray; for later ones, the darker green. Seats, at least in Fokker Dr.Is, D.VIIs seem to be black leather. Cushions rarely seen, probably the same. Elsewhere, wood, if wood, except it it's a Roland, where the wood structural members at least, are also light gray, but not, say, the instrument board. Cheers, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:51:14 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Squamble the Squasta! E.von Heretic patroling near the Potomac! Message-ID: <39A86602.F126BBF@bellsouth.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > D.VII seen this thread and she's ready to pack. Four months to save...we may > actually make it too. Great. For anyone else who's interested, here's the deal as I've been told; (I only found out about this last night when Colleen came home and told me we're going to Williamsburg) Arriving Wed, Dec. 27th Leaving Mon Jan 1st. one suite, w/king, 2 doubles, and a murphey bed, cont.brkfst, tours for 3 adults 2 kids... $860something. (not bad, huh?) She booked it over the net. If anyone's interested, I can get a link from MiL. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:37:53 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Couldn't resist, was: The frog thing Message-ID: <00b801c00fbf$0b16fd00$8bfe6520@stephen> Applause for Dave Fletcher's sage call for a return to civility. At the tail end of his temperate posting, he writes: >To bring this "OT", the Belgians > refer to the "Guerre de Quarante" (the War of '14) and the "Guerre de > Quatorze" (the War of '40) - neither lasted very long for Belgium. Are > there other terms beyond "The Great War", "The First World War" and > "World War I" from the other participants? Although not strictly another term, the Germans use "Welt Krieg," abbreviating it WK. So if you see an OT item posted on ebay from a German-speaking seller advertised as "WK1," you'll know what he's referring to. Regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:29:37 -0400 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: Decal requests Message-ID: <003301c00fc6$43afa660$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> Is there a website for Sopwith Hobbies? Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Hayes To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:41 PM Subject: Re: Decal requests > Pat, > > Have you tried Sopwith Hobbies? Juan frequently has > OOP decals in stock. He still list Blue Rider Sheet > 502. I think that's the one you're looking for > > TH > > > --- Patrick Gilmore wrote: > > Hello, > > Just wondering if anyone had the following decal > > sets (or knows of a > > shop with them) and would be willing to sell or > > trade: > > > > Blue Rider 1/48 Udet Fokker DVII "LO" Candystripe > > option from an old sheet > > of theirs featuring several schemes for different > > German A/C > > Blue Rider 1/48 British Roundels > > Microscale USAS WWI Numerals - This is a really old > > sheet - I just need a > > large black "8" with white border off this one. > > > > Thanks! > > Patrick Gilmore > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:48:51 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RNP's reply to "Who Said That..." Message-ID: <200008270202.TAA09862@mail.rapidnet.net> Stef, I have the Mac version of OE, and it is one of the options in PREFERENCES to use/not use HTML or to reply in same format as received. I'm not going through my Windsocks to find the exchange, but it ran for many issues between DSA and Imrie .. probably around 1993/4 - I bought my copy of the Imrie Dr.I book in 94. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:41:58 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Udet Bust Message-ID: <00c001c00fe9$85fb2800$2f083ccc@oemcomputer> Hi Alvie, Back in June you said that you had an extra Richthofen bust that you weren't using and that you would send it to me. You may have forgotten, but I never got it. If you still have this (and Rickenbacker if you have an extra, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Dave Calhoun 10 Lake Drive Enfield, CT 06082 -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Alvarado To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Udet Bust >David, > >I have a couple of extras. Did mine a couple of years ago. Free to a good >home. Let me know how to get it to you. > >Alvie > >David Calhoun wrote: > >> Does anyone have an extra Richthofen bust from the DML Triplane kit that >> they don't need? If so, please e-mail me. >> thanks, >> Dave Calhoun >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 7:03 PM >> Subject: Re: Udet Bust >> >> > >> >Was looking for the 1/12 Udet bust that came for with the DML 1/48 D.VII. >> >I am happy to report I think I have compatriot on list who will give one to >> >a good home! >> >Thanks all! >> >Brian >> > >> > >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:36:06 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: HTML Off? was, Re: RNP's reply Message-ID: <001201c00fcf$903c6d20$ea706420@stephen> Well, I think I found the way to set the send format preference. Yes? Sorry for any HTML hash that's been comin' at ya'. Best, S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 9:55 PM Subject: Re: RNP's reply to "Who Said That..." | Stef, | | I have the Mac version of OE, and it is one of the options in PREFERENCES to | use/not use HTML or to reply in same format as received. | | I'm not going through my Windsocks to find the exchange, but it ran for many | issues between DSA and Imrie .. probably around 1993/4 - I bought my copy | of the Imrie Dr.I book in 94. | | Bob | | | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:11:12 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: HTML Off? was, Re: RNP's reply Message-ID: <32.95e4ad9.26d9e0d0@aol.com> In a message dated 00-08-26 22:56:05 EDT, you write: << Well, I think I found the way to set the send format preference. Yes? Sorry for any HTML hash that's been comin' at ya'. Best, S >> It worked. Thanks, Stef. DZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:24:38 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Decal requests Message-ID: <000a01c00fd6$562bc160$68b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 7:31 PM Subject: Re: Decal requests > Is there a website for Sopwith Hobbies? > Patrick, Sopwithusa@aol.com will get you there. Dale S. > Thanks! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Todd Hayes > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: Decal requests > > > > Pat, > > > > Have you tried Sopwith Hobbies? Juan frequently has > > OOP decals in stock. He still list Blue Rider Sheet > > 502. I think that's the one you're looking for > > > > TH > > > > > > --- Patrick Gilmore wrote: > > > Hello, > > > Just wondering if anyone had the following decal > > > sets (or knows of a > > > shop with them) and would be willing to sell or > > > trade: > > > > > > Blue Rider 1/48 Udet Fokker DVII "LO" Candystripe > > > option from an old sheet > > > of theirs featuring several schemes for different > > > German A/C > > > Blue Rider 1/48 British Roundels > > > Microscale USAS WWI Numerals - This is a really old > > > sheet - I just need a > > > large black "8" with white border off this one. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Patrick Gilmore > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:28:16 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Decal requests Message-ID: <001d01c00fd6$d795a360$68b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 7:31 PM Subject: Re: Decal requests > Is there a website for Sopwith Hobbies? > > Thanks! > Patrick, Sopwithusa@aol.com will work. Dale S. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Todd Hayes > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: Decal requests > > > > Pat, > > > > Have you tried Sopwith Hobbies? Juan frequently has > > OOP decals in stock. He still list Blue Rider Sheet > > 502. I think that's the one you're looking for > > > > TH > > > > > > --- Patrick Gilmore wrote: > > > Hello, > > > Just wondering if anyone had the following decal > > > sets (or knows of a > > > shop with them) and would be willing to sell or > > > trade: > > > > > > Blue Rider 1/48 Udet Fokker DVII "LO" Candystripe > > > option from an old sheet > > > of theirs featuring several schemes for different > > > German A/C > > > Blue Rider 1/48 British Roundels > > > Microscale USAS WWI Numerals - This is a really old > > > sheet - I just need a > > > large black "8" with white border off this one. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Patrick Gilmore > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:40:02 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Thanks, Allan Message-ID: Thanks, Allan, I got the package today. To all other listees, Allan has sent the library two new books. One is,"Sopwith Fighters in Action" and the other is "Who Downed the Aces in WWI?" by Norman Franks. These are available for borrowing, just let me know. -Rick- List Librarian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:38:06 -0400 From: mdf To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Now - Bishop - was Re: Rickenbacker's kill total Message-ID: <39A89B2E.A78457FE@mars.ark.com> His attack was witnessed by a French peasant, and relying on German records for ground losses is a bit dicey - if no-one got shot down so there is only a remote chance of something being noted about it. British record keeping required that there be a witness to a machine going down, but that does not mean it stayed down (ooc can easily result in an escapee and a crash on home territory can still mean that the aircraft (and pilot) get back into the air again - ie MvR. Ground kills are much more difficult but multiple damaged aircraft can be rebuilt into one machine. (the Russians did it all the time and to the extent that their numbering system accounted for all the aircraft used to create one airframe. The only reason in the past that Bishop's record has been slandered was because he wasn't a British "gentleman", and as the top scoring Commonwealth ace that made the entire culture look flawed, as the breeding he was missing was supposed to be so important. Whether someone deserves to be a top scoring ace has nothing to do with their positions in society, but only with their actual recognized accomplishments, and he obtained that recognition by shooting down EA. He is more likely to have had kills denied for his lack of breeding, than he was to have been given kills that had no basis. Mikef Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/26/00 12:26:20 PM EST, Otisgood@aol.com writes: > > << In a message dated 8/26/00 12:21:37 PM Central Daylight Time, > Albatrosdv@aol.com writes: > > > (Though I > > would argue that de-bunking Billy Bishop is still a salutary exercise 80 > > years later.) > > For the uninformed among us (which includes me) what does this comment refer > to? Thanks. > > OG >> > > I doubt this will disturb the northern members - several of whom pointed this > out to me. It is commonly considered now that Billy Bishop was not a > "gentleman" whose word was his bond when it came to making his claims from > his "lone wolf" missions. In fact, the mission for which he received the VC > is completely not reflected by any German records at the field he claimed to > have attacked, or any in the entire sector he could have been in that day. > Researchers now think no more than 8-10 of his "kills" can be verified and > considered real. > > Therefore the real "ace of aces" for Canada is a far more deserving > individual, Raymond Collishaw, followed by an equally-deserving individual, > Billy Barker. > > TC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:58:52 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Couldn't resist, was: The frog thing Message-ID: Dave, usually such terms as Frog, Kraut, Brit or whatever are describing the not so nice people of a nation. But to decide wether it is an insult or not is up to the concerned people only, IMHO. Other European nations who live with us in this tiny country call us "cancoillotes" sometimes, referring to this cheese we eat which is a speciality of this country, just like other call Italians "Spaghetti". But I personally never took it as an insult perhaps because I do not feel to be concerned as I do not see myself as a bad guy. Why worry? > > My Belgian neighbour always referred to "les Boches" and was even less > complimentary about the French, whose 'liberation' of Belgium compared > unfavourably in his eyes with the German occupation. There are a lot of > strong emotions still at large in the anachronistically-termed 'European > Union'. So, if someone says something which doesn't sit well, a polite > request to withdraw or rephrase the remark will do. Heaping abuse on > the perpetrator simply lowers the tone of the list and chases away > people we would rather retain. To this I agree! But I do also think that people who do not see themselfs as troublemakers only rarely feel concerned regarding such terms like "Frog". I never encountered real problems with people when using such terms. Perhaps because the people take that all much easier than some members do on this list? > > I've heard enough errors in French to recognize that I would be treading > on dangerous ground if I joined a French discussion group in the way > many of our more courageous non-native English speakers have joined this > list. No doubt I have ordered the postman instead of the bill and I was > present when an acquaintance of mine ordered apple pie with excrement on > the side. I have also heard someone who wanted melted cheese and gravy > on their french fries inadvertently order a prostitute. > LOL - but the same may happen with any language. IMHO one should always be tolerant with people who try to speak ones maiden language. Learning a language at school even for years does not necessary mean that one is also able to express himself correctly. > So, patience and tolerance please. To bring this "OT", the Belgians > refer to the "Guerre de Quarante" (the War of '14) and the "Guerre de > Quatorze" (the War of '40) - neither lasted very long for Belgium. Are > there other terms beyond "The Great War", "The First World War" and > "World War I" from the other participants? May I correct an error? The war of '40 is "la guerre de quarante" (quarante=40) and the war of '14 is "la guerre de quatorze" because quatorze=14. The French use the same terms but call WWI rather "la grande guerre" (the great war) than the war of '14. You asked for other terms? Well, here in Luxembourg people are usually referring to "de Krich" (the war) when they talk about the times of WWII. When talking about WWI people use either the term "14-18" or the complete term "den éischten Weltkrich" (the first world war). sincerely Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:30:32 +1000 From: "wmsol" To: "ww1 mailing list" Subject: se 5a Message-ID: <007901c01009$73ba1960$5ac60fd2@wmsol> I am new to this list and I have a simple request. I am after 1/72 aircraft and in particular SE5A and or DH2. Any out there? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:34:02 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Couldn't resist, was: The frog thing Message-ID: 1) I never took the comparison of Ernest any negative. Already at school we learn that the tiny surface fits so and so many times into the surface of the USA, France, Germany.... It is a fact, nothing else. 2) Speaking about the tinyness of my country there is a sweet joke I can tell you: The Grand Duke visited the President of France. At the ministry of defence the Frenchman wanted to give our Grand Duke a good demonstration of his newest toy - a super-sophisticated computer system, developed to defend "la Grande Nation" against any possible enemy. He simulated an attack of the Russians and the system printed out on a huge screen all coordinates to setup the armies, where to send the warheads, where to send the Navy etc. The Grand Duke was impressed. Then he asked the Frenchman if he could simulate an attack of the Army of Luxembourg, just because he was curious to see what the system will take for countermeasures. Printed on the screen he then could read: "Alert the volountary firebrigade of Thionville!" ;o). > > Frankly, I'd rather be in Luxembourg. > > Hey Gaston, interested in swapping houses for a couple weeks in > February? > E. Hmm....... basically a good idea (where are you from?) but I must point your attention to the fact that our house is NOT finished yet. It is supposed to be finished soon, hopefully 'til the end of the year, but a good deal of the work has to be done by myself and it depends largely on my working schedule when I can work on my house. Be aware that you will have to care about 7 cats: Peter, Paul, Ronny, Betty, Lisa, Mousy and the Devil, plus Kikki the rabbit and Willie the Guinea pig. They cats all are close or even beyond the age of 10 years. Some are queer fellows such as Pete who opens any doors and his brother Paulie who loves to take a nap on your back or even your belly when you are sleeping. Sometimes there are even 4 of the mousebusters who sleep on me or close to me. Perhaps there will be a communication problem because I do not know if the cats will understand any English ;o). Not to forget is our dear friend Max - a wonderful Black Labrador - but beware of your underwear and shoes because Max loves to eat up panties and throw it up again in the backyard. The shoes he is either chewing up or digging in. Well, this all sounds funny but is also true. Trading houses is an idea that I like but it must be planned seriously. If it will really come to that point maybe one day we will talk about it off list indeed. sincerely Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 06:02:01 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: se 5a Message-ID: <004401c0100d$d9287360$350356d1@default> > I am new to this list and I have a simple request. I am after 1/72 aircraft > and in particular SE5A and or DH2. Any out there? Welcome to the list. I'm gonna guess you are named Bill because the "wmsol" in the From line on your post. There is the old Revel SE5a and DH.2 in 1:72. Additionally there is a DH.2 released in the past year from Pegasus. Esci also makes a 1:72 Se5a. Others will no doubt fill in what I've forgotten. Glad you signed up and even gladder you jumped on and started posting. Regards sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 06:32:59 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Less well known contributions. Message-ID: <004c01c01012$2c644b40$350356d1@default> One of my early goals in WWI modeling was to have a model representing each airforce which flew in combat. (1914-1918) I have models representing England, France Germany, Belgium, Imperial Russia, Italy,Austria-Hungary and the USA. I see myself missing the Ottoman Empire for sure, (I have an Eindekker kit earmarked for that profile you sent Bulent) . I believe I still need Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania and perhaps Portugal . I know there was some fighting in the far east and that the Germans had a couple of Tabues they flew against the Japanese. I have seen a profile of a Caudron G.III in real cool multi colored star markings supposed to be Chinese. Did the Japanese or Chinese ever fly any combat, (I include recon missions as combat)? TIA sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:10:52 -0400 From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: E.von Heretic patroling near the James! Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:54:48 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Oh, wait! Aeroplane Books? > >I have seen the promised land! >E. Give that man a kewpie doll. Len ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:29:42 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Less well known contributions. Message-ID: <669EC71B9BB74D115AD40005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> Steve, >One of my early goals in WWI modeling was to have a model representing each >airforce which flew in combat. (1914-1918) >I have models representing England, France Germany, Belgium, Imperial >Russia, Italy,Austria-Hungary and the USA. Wheres the Aussies? :) Sounds like you are missing the Australian Flying Corps in your collection as well. There is a pretty decent website IICSSM on the Australian Flying Corps at; http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm which has plenty of aircraft and stories for inspiration. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:39:08 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Wacking self in non-functional head was:Re: Less well known contributions. Message-ID: <000701c01023$cbf98100$330356d1@default> > Wheres the Aussies? :) I offer my extremely humble apology to all Austrailians, past and pesent. I was just jumping on to correct myself and offer an unprompted apology, but you beat me to it. I have an SE5a and an Avro earmarked for AFC colors. Again my apologies to all from that nation which gave so much of itself. Sincerely sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:17:43 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wacking self in non-functional head was:Re: Less well known contributions. Message-ID: <47BEC71B9BB74D115AD40005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> Steve, >I offer my extremely humble apology to all Australians, past and pesent. lol, that is ok. I didnt think you would have forgotten the Aussies. You are too learned for that. The Australian PM would do well to learn how to apologise in the manner you just did too. >I have an SE5a and an Avro earmarked for AFC colors. What markings have you got planned for the SE5a and Avro? And what model have you done representing/epitomising each air force? cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:19:55 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wacking self in non-functional head was:Re: Less well known Message-ID: <39A9157B.BEADEB3B@bellsouth.net> And the 1/48 Eduard Baby has markings for the Royal Nowegian Navy, I think. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:11:40 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: The aircraft of Roland Garros... Message-ID: Folks, I am currently writing on an article about the developement of the system which permitted to shoot through the running propeller. Altough the Germans made already some theoretical reflections to mount forward shooting machineguns onto their aircraft since 1910, it was in fact the French daredevil Roland Garros who had the idea to mount his gun in a way he could use his whole aircraft to aim at a target, being first to fire through the running prop. This happened in early 1915... My question to you is: Does anybody have details about the aircraft of Garros? Was it a Morane Saulnier or was it a Morane Bullet? What was the aircrafts colors and markings? I have some interesting pictures and drawings of Garros' deflectors as well as of the tests the Germans ran on developement of their improved system which I will add to that article. I would appreciate if list members could give me answers to my questions. in friendship to all Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:17:44 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Wacking self in non-functional head was:Re: Less well known contributions. Message-ID: <001101c01031$92434d20$410d56d1@default> > What markings have you got planned for the SE5a and Avro? And what model have you done > representing/epitomising each air force? Nothing picked out yet. I have several examples of each country mentioned except A-H, for which I only have the Toko Aviatik Berg D.1. Did the Norwegians conduct operations on behalf of either side during 1914 - 18? Now post 11/11/18 it gets real wierd. Seems everybody in central and eastern Europe who could muster an aeroplane and a paint brush simultaneously, had their own set of markings. Seems that they met the enemy in the air so infrequently that it wasn't a major problem. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:02:40 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Jasta 10 Dr.I's? Message-ID: <004801c01037$db041f20$a6716420@stephen> Was J10 equipped with Triplanes? If so where are the published photos? There aren't any in "Flying Circus" nor the original Dr.I "Special," except for a pranged aircraft behind the tents on which the unit markings, if any, are obscured. Any List member who goes the extra mile and can provide a scan or to will be greatly appreciated. TIA, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:10:53 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: The aircraft of Roland Garros... Message-ID: <004f01c01039$0083ecc0$a6716420@stephen> "Gaston Graf" Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:16 AM asked: | My question to you is: Does anybody have details about the aircraft of | Garros? Was it a Morane Saulnier or was it a Morane Bullet? What was the | aircrafts colors and markings? | I have some interesting pictures and drawings of Garros' deflectors as well | as of the tests the Germans ran on developement of their improved system | which I will add to that article. IIRC, Garros and Morane-Saulnier first static-tested the deflecter system on the fuselage of a G/H monoplane fuselage at the factory. Operationally, it was first mounted on Garros' L parasol. RG and his aircraft fell into German hands shortly thereafter. Fokker implemented the improvement of the interrupter gear, and the rest is history as they say. I will look into my Garros file a bit later. Regards, Stef ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2588 **********************