WWI Digest 2585 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: PLAY NICE!! by "Gaston Graf" 2) RE: VIRUS warning by "Gaston Graf" 3) Re: PLAY NICE!! by Lee Mensinger 4) RE: Adrenaline - a personal experience by "Gaston Graf" 5) RE: Voss first fighter? by "Gaston Graf" 6) RE: sho-sho by "Gaston Graf" 7) Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 by "Courtney Allen" 8) Re: sho-sho by "Len Smith" 9) Cyber-etiquette II by "Sandy Adam" 10) Useful lesson, was Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 by Ernest Thomas 11) US Maul was:Re: Useful lesson, was Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 by smperry@mindspring.com 12) Re: US Maul was:Re: Useful lesson, was Re: "High in the Empty Blue" by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: RNP's reply to "Who Said That..." by skarver@banet.net 14) Re: SPAD Decals by Marc Flake 15) Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 by bucky@ptdprolog.net 16) Re: ot: Jastafarai- MUST READ by Brent & Tina Theobald 17) Re: A most delicate subject by Sharon Henderson 18) Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 by Craig Gavin 19) Squamble the Squasta! E.von Heretic patroling near the Potomac! by Ernest Thomas 20) Decal requests by "Patrick Gilmore" 21) Re: Squamble the Squasta! E.von Heretic patroling near the Potomac! by Sharon Henderson 22) RE: sho-sho by "Gaston Graf" 23) Orthochromatic film - an opinion by "Gaston Graf" 24) Re: Rickenbacker's kill total by fedders ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 06:35:09 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: PLAY NICE!! Message-ID: ehhhm........I'm still a newbie here so please explain to me what Dicta Ira means. I have no idea (yet) Gaston > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:25 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: PLAY NICE!! > > > Okay everyone, before it gets too far and the Americans start > talking about > football teams, > > DICTA IRA!! > > Brian > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 06:37:45 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: VIRUS warning Message-ID: Hey Pokemon is a nice RPG for the kids ;o). I used to believe it is crap as the Pokémon fever broke out but my daughter soon catched that virus too and she is still a wonderful child who loves that game. No character change detected. Gaston > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > DAVID BURKE > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:38 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: VIRUS warning > > > > It comes as a message with PIKACHU in the subject line. Pikachu is the > cute > > little yellow guy from the Pokemon cartoon/card > game/merchandising thing. > > Kids love Pikachu. Here's the word from Symantec's virus site: > > > > > > > > Sigh... I hope they find the hacker and string him/her/it up. > > > > Sharon > > Only after they string up the guy who invented Pokemon! > > > DB > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:07:08 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, Gaston Graf Subject: Re: PLAY NICE!! Message-ID: <39A7507C.A0D9DCF7@x25.net> Dicta Ira (loosely means) As your personality or personal desire dictates. Lee M Gaston Graf wrote: > ehhhm........I'm still a newbie here so please explain to me what Dicta Ira > means. I have no idea (yet) > > Gaston > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > > Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:25 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: PLAY NICE!! > > > > > > Okay everyone, before it gets too far and the Americans start > > talking about > > football teams, > > > > DICTA IRA!! > > > > Brian > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:17:48 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Adrenaline - a personal experience Message-ID: Thank you Brian - thank you Tom, and also many thanks for sharing your great story with me, Tom! I agree with you, 100%! The companies psychologist ( a cute French lady) told me that fear is not the ugly feeling in your belly letting your heart pound like hell and making your skin sweat but in fact fear is nothing but a self protection reflex - the reflex which made me dive down to the cabin floor as I realized the impact was inevitable as well as the reflex to react quickly as my signal switched to stop position again. Same happend to you as you did the correct maneuvers to bring your plane back under control. To me that accident was a very positive exerience. Since that day I know there would be a lot of people missing me if I had perished. One of my workmates wasn't that lucky. He died in a crash on April 6, 1997, as another engineer burned a stop signal too and hit him in a frontal collision. It was the same type of eletrical train which hit the same type of electrical locomotive but he worked on a freight train loaden with containes and the car right behind the engine smashed the cabin and killed the engineer. And since that day I enjoy life a little bit more. I do not worry about unimortant things anymore when sometimes when I feel I must complain. But I think of those poeple who live a much poorer life than I do, or who was not that lucky to jump off the devils shovel in a similar situation. Life is to short to worry ;o). Gaston > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:54 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Adrenaline - a personal experience > > > > Gaston, your story (far more than mine) is an example of what people I've > been lucky to know say heroism really is: the ability to do > one's job when > > you're so scared you've messed your pants and are too screwed up > to be able > > to think. You really were heroic in that event. It's called "rising to > the > occasion." > Best, > Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ > Agreed ! ! > Brian Nicklas > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:21:02 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Voss first fighter? Message-ID: David, I am in contact with the German historical Boelcke society and will ask them about Voss aircraft and the kill you mentionned. I'll keep you informed but please notice that the guy I am in contact with only can send email from work and does not always respond quickly. kind regards Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > David Calhoun > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 11:41 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Voss first fighter? > > > Hi all, > Last few days not much WW1 modeling information, lots of other unrelated > stuff! Still no answers about Voss's first aircraft. Here's some more > info - Jasta Boelcke kill #75 was by Voss on 11/27/16. What > aircraft was he > flying at this time? Anyone have a clue as to what aircraft he > flew before > getting his Albatros D.III in Feb 1917? > Dave Calhoun > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:39:04 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: sho-sho Message-ID: Interesting... Aparently the French sometimes has good ideas but their problem is that they are resting to long on their laurels while other continue developement. This is something I noticed from the French car industry. Years ago they developed a great Diesel engine (Peugeot) and made the world believe they are the best and only to do that but then the Huns developed their direct injection Diesels (TDIs) and while the Germans constantly enhanced their Diesels the French did nothing. I live in a country where many Frenchmen and women work because they make a lot more money here than they would in France. But their problem in most cases is that the quality of their work is inferior to Germans or Luxies because their mentality is different. While the German says "I must do better" the Frenchman says "That's good enough". That's why there are more and more German craftmen being hired by the poeple instead of the French. While the Huns copied from the French they also enhanced their version of the product. btw: this is something you soon may read at Jasta Boelcke because I am currently working on an article about the invention of the Frenchman Roland Garros which made it possible to shoot through a running propeller. The Germans wanted Fokker to copy the system but what his engineer Lübbe did was enhancing the system instead of simply copying it. I do not want to talk badly about the French here but nobody can deny the difference. Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > MAnde72343@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 12:45 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: sho-sho > > > I certainly did not want to start any sort of French bashing, I > know about > the Chaut from my late grandfather, who was stuck with one in > 1918, and he > never said anything nice about it at all, he wanted to stick it ...of the > inventor, and the staff weenie who got it for the Americans. It > was a very > advanced design and concept, just not well thought out; it's > successor, the > M1918 BAR designed by J. M. Browning, went on to serve into the > 1960s in the > US and is probably still in service in various small armies even today. > Granddad was wounded in the Argonne, and wounded again by a Hun > strafer while > being stretchered to the rear, his comment was to the effect that > it might > have been different if he'd been ARMED in the first place... > Merrill > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:06:06 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 Message-ID: <002f01c00f23$b9cbff40$8c46480c@oemcomputer> Ernest, I'll pick a copy up and talk it down to the post office and get a shipping cost for you. Do you want it to go 1st class or book rate? Courtney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Thomas" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 8:12 PM Subject: Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 > Ok Courtney, Mike sold me. What do I have to do to get a copy? > E. > > > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > > WOW! Anyone who doesn't have this should take advantage of the offer. It's a > > little hard to believe at that price. > > Mike Muth...bouight mine awhile ago for a lot more and would do it again. > > > > Courtney Allen wrote: > > > > > Anyone looking for Flying Press's "High in the Empty Blue", History of the > > > 56 Squadron, my local Costco has it for $14.98! I would be willing to send > > > copies to those not near a Costco, though this is a monster book and the > > > ship costs would reflect it (Book rate is an option). > > > > > > Courtney > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:03:00 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: sho-sho Message-ID: <002c01c00f38$a43b2a60$d54f08c3@mesh> Sandy, > Do you want us to ask exactly what jewels of technology, culture or social > anthropology Luxembourg has contributed to mankind? Surely its most significant contribution to World culture was its Radio station, or was this before your time? Regards Len. :-) lensmith@clara.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:16:56 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Cyber-etiquette II Message-ID: <003401c00f3e$7ab14200$0ce8b094@sandyada> > you are the most disgusting ..... Anybody who feels they really need to make posts like this, could I ask that they are sent direct to the addressee concerned. Let's keep personal issues off the list. Now, back to modelling.. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:34:52 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Useful lesson, was Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 Message-ID: <39A7B96C.11441153@bellsouth.net> Courtney Allen wrote: > > Do you want it to go 1st class or book rate? Thank you Courtney. Book rate please. Always send books book rate. I see an opportunity to give a lesson.... Ben Franklin, who was the first postmaster general, was a child of the renaisance. He believed in the free exchange of ideas. To help promote this free exchange of ideas Mr. Franklin came up with 'book rate' postage. What book rate means is that when sending books, and only books, one will pay the minimum postal rate(4th class). However, packages marked 'book rate' are handled as though they had first class postage. One more reason why the dear old man is known as one of the great Americans. Here endeth the lesson. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:48:42 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: US Maul was:Re: Useful lesson, was Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 Message-ID: <006a01c00f5b$f758b3c0$8d0156d1@default> E sez: What book rate means is that when sending books, and only > books, one will pay the minimum postal rate(4th class). However, > packages marked 'book rate' are handled as though they had first class > postage. sp adds: But not handled the same as first class with FRAGILE stickers . I guess after countless broken toes and lost time, the US Maul has learned that BOOK RATE means Don't Drop Kick! sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:59:11 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: US Maul was:Re: Useful lesson, was Re: "High in the Empty Blue" Message-ID: <39A7BF1F.1B613A7D@bellsouth.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > sp adds: > But not handled the same as first class with FRAGILE stickers . I guess > after countless broken toes and lost time, the US Maul has learned that BOOK > RATE means Don't Drop Kick! Right. E. who's going to get the yard work done while the temp is still only in the upper '80's. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:46:32 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: "List" Subject: Re: RNP's reply to "Who Said That..." Message-ID: <001501c00f5b$acc4e7c0$636f6420@stephen> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C00F3A.227CD4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 1:47 AM Subject: Re: Who Said That, and When--Request for Citations=20 > There is also an 'article' on it at my website and on my CD, showing = various > possibilities and how it would look in different schemes. =20 I knew that. And a fine article it is too, with excellent speculative = possibilites for alternative finishes to cater to all Dicta Ira = impulses! Indeed it was your arrrticle that got me interested in this = machine. >[snip] the purple came from various published references over the = years. . > but which was first ? Who knows. OK, let's forget who was first. If you have any of the citations of = those references over the years, I will appreciate hearing back from you, or others. So far no one has cited = chapter and verse on any of these 'mystery' ships. Thanks and regards, Stef ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C00F3A.227CD4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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> There is also an 'article' on it at my website and on my CD, = showing=20 various
> possibilities and how it would look in different = schemes. =20
 
I knew that.  And a fine article it is too, with excellent = speculative=20 possibilites for alternative finishes to cater to all Dicta Ira = impulses! =20 Indeed it was your arrrticle that got me interested in this = machine.
 
>[snip] the purple came from various published references over = the=20 years. .
> but which was first ? Who knows.
OK, let's forget who was first.  If you have any of the = citations of=20 those references over the years, I will
appreciate hearing back from you, or others.  So far no one = has cited=20 chapter and verse on any of
these 'mystery' ships.
Thanks and regards,
Stef
 
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C00F3A.227CD4E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:08:20 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SPAD Decals Message-ID: <39A7C144.20AA@airmail.net> Dave: Meteor Models had a veritable ream of PD Decal Sheet 48-008, SPADs Part One, at the IPMS-US Nationals. I would assume they still have beaucoups for sale. Also, do you still need the"12" from the Glencoe N. 28 sheet. I meant to get back to you earlier, but life intervened. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:28:36 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 Message-ID: <39A7C604.C1C69EEE@ptdprolog.net> ROTFL I was in a somewhat bitter mood this AM, having just heard of a long tim friend's death. Definitely shook me out of the blues. Mike Ernest Thomas wrote: > Oh yeah, Mike, this better be good! > E. > :) > > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > > WOW! Anyone who doesn't have this should take advantage of the offer. It's a > > little hard to believe at that price. > > Mike Muth...bouight mine awhile ago for a lot more and would do it again. > > > > Courtney Allen wrote: > > > > > Anyone looking for Flying Press's "High in the Empty Blue", History of the > > > 56 Squadron, my local Costco has it for $14.98! I would be willing to send > > > copies to those not near a Costco, though this is a monster book and the > > > ship costs would reflect it (Book rate is an option). > > > > > > Courtney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:44:04 -0500 From: Brent & Tina Theobald To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot: Jastafarai- MUST READ Message-ID: <39A7C9A4.536B4757@airmail.net> I hardly think one night of meaningless sex constitutes dateing...but what do I know!! BUSTED... The wife of the day dreamer, Tina Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com wrote: > True story... > > One day while listening to Bob Marley and the Wailers singing "Jammin" the > blonde (sorry Candice) I was dating announced to me "I never knew Bob > Marley was German".... Listen to it sometime and think of her.... There > really ARE Kelly Bundy's in the world. > > "We're German, German, German > German in the Name of the Lord" > > Can you polka to that? > > Sorry for the way ot post, but E. made me laugh thinking of younger days. > > I'm off work in a few minutes to go work on Albs. Wish me luck! > > Brent > > Please respond to wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > Sent by: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > To: Multiple recipients of list > cc: > > Subject: Jastafarai, was Re: DH2 cookup > > Shane Weier wrote: > > > Not all of us laughed. I'm *far* too PC, and what's more don't have a > > lozenge coloured tea cosy to wear on my head. > > And this week's number one on the Kingston Top 40 is.... > > "We're Jammin", by Cliff Marley and the Spandau's. > E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:55:31 -0400 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A most delicate subject Message-ID: >> << So far I've enjoyed meeting everyone, even E. >> >> >> I dunno, Mike, I always thought of him as odd E. :^} > >I stand like a man at a mark, with a whole army shooting at me. >E. :-) ...and, loving every minute of it? Odd or even, we wuv you. It wasn't the same while you were unsubbed.... Now go build something, man!! :-) Sharon, Who Will Actually DO some modelling today.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:14:22 -0500 From: Craig Gavin To: Subject: Re: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 Message-ID: Courtney - If the offer still holds and you're willing, I'd appreciate the kindness. What do you need from me? - Craig Gavin > From: "Courtney Allen" > Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:25:17 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: "High in the Empty Blue" $14.98 > > Anyone looking for Flying Press's "High in the Empty Blue", History of the > 56 Squadron, my local Costco has it for $14.98! I would be willing to send > copies to those not near a Costco, though this is a monster book and the > ship costs would reflect it (Book rate is an option). > > Courtney > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:31:16 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Squamble the Squasta! E.von Heretic patroling near the Potomac! Message-ID: <39A7D4B4.4CC2FAC8@bellsouth.net> Sharon Henderson wrote: > Odd or even, we wuv you. It wasn't the same while you were unsubbed.... Awe, that's sweet. Thank you. > > Now go build something, man!! :-) As soon as I finish my Showbirds article(sorry Bob.). And since yer there, I just wanted to let you and Alvie and Mike know that it looks like Clan Heretic will be vacationing in Williamsberg during the week between xmas and y2k+1. Let's get together over a glass of grog. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:39:59 -0400 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Decal requests Message-ID: <008001c00f6b$82f6bee0$dc2d0d18@grapid1.mi.home.com> Hello, Just wondering if anyone had the following decal sets (or knows of a shop with them) and would be willing to sell or trade: Blue Rider 1/48 Udet Fokker DVII "LO" Candystripe option from an old sheet of theirs featuring several schemes for different German A/C Blue Rider 1/48 British Roundels Microscale USAS WWI Numerals - This is a really old sheet - I just need a large black "8" with white border off this one. Thanks! Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:44:31 -0400 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Squamble the Squasta! E.von Heretic patroling near the Potomac! Message-ID: >Sharon Henderson wrote: > >> Odd or even, we wuv you. It wasn't the same while you were unsubbed. .. > >Awe, that's sweet. Thank you. :-) And I even meant it! :-) >And since yer there, I just wanted to let you and Alvie and Mike know >that it looks like Clan Heretic will be vacationing in Williamsberg >during the week between xmas and y2k+1. Let's get together over a glass >of grog. >E. Oh Wow!!! Hey, Washington DC area people!! LOOK! The fabled plane of the great EvH will soon be flying in our skies! And Williamsburg is at its best in the Christmas season... :-) This is so cool! As we get closer to time, let's get the details nailed down. Dinner and grog in one of the taverns sounds wonderful! Cheers, Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:55:18 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: sho-sho Message-ID: Len, are you referring to the Luxembourg radio station RTL? So why are you calling me Sandy if my name is Gaston? I found no posting from Sandy regarding this matter so I wonder why you address your answer to him. Well, RTL started long before I was born - I am only 35 but the station existed already before WWII. When excactly it was operative is something I do not know. But what I know is that RTL was indirectly involved in my marriage with my penpal from GDR. Back in the early '80s my wife smuggeled a letter out of GDR. That letter she send from Poland to RTL Luxembourg to find some penpals from other countries. To us in the free world it was hard to imagine that you cannot communicate with people in other countries but this was the case under the reign of Kommunism... Well, she found a girl in this country who wrote her regulary. Because Luxembourg was not considered to be an enemy of the GDR, letters could circulate freely but certainly was opened and read by the GDRs secret service like those bastards later did with the letter send between my fiancee and myself. Then, one day in March 1983 that penpal of my future wife decided to found a penpalling association so again an announcement was made by RTL. This I heard on the radio, wrote a letter to that girl, received some addresses while my address was send to other and not long later I received the first letter from the girl I later fell in love with... The rest is history - but it is a nice story, to long to be told here tough because this should be a WWI mailing list, not a penpalling list ;o). But I seriously think about writing our adventurous lovestory down for our children. This - FYI - is what RTL has got to do with my life. Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Len Smith > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 10:39 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: sho-sho > > > Sandy, > > > Do you want us to ask exactly what jewels of technology, > culture or social > > anthropology Luxembourg has contributed to mankind? > > Surely its most significant contribution to World culture was its Radio > station, or was this before your time? > > Regards Len. :-) > > lensmith@clara.net > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:26:49 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Orthochromatic film - an opinion Message-ID: Dear list members: Some of us recently discussed about the usage of ortho film. and the color of Voss' aircrafts cowling. I asked a friend of mine regarding this matter, who is an expert in photographing. Being a retired policeman from Sheboygan WI, Mr. William Wangeman is an experienced photographer. In his job he had to photograph the locations of crimes, the victims, the criminels... Also he worked as a draftsman, drawing photofit pictures of criminels after the descriptions of victims. I copied below what Bill told me regarding ortho films. sincerely Gaston Graf Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de ---------------------------------------------------------- Dear Gaston, Well here I am again, your question about Ortho film is very interesting, I have done a good bit of reading and working with ortho film. It is my opinion that it is all most impossible to tell what color is which from a photograph taken on ortho film. first of all, all ortho films are not alike, some are sensitive to blue only, and some are sensitive to blue and green. The color of the light used to make the photograph is also very important, a bluish light such as you may get on a very cloudy day or in winter with snow on the ground can affect the way the film "sees" color, or a very warm light such as you get early in the morning or late in the day will affect the film, so I feel there are just too many variables to try and determine color from a picture made on ortho film. I do know that the photos taken in WW1 were made on ortho film, I am certain than panchromatic film did not come out until much after the war. Another variable would be the lens, we have no way of knowing what colors these uncoated lens would pass to the film. In looking at photos of the insignia on the wings of British aircraft some times the blue circle photographs light and sometimes dark. Now as for yellow or any warm color they seem to photograph light. If you look at some of the old photos of planes that were not painted the fabric after doping would turn a yellowish brown color, which photographs light grey. I may be wrong but I think that yellow or a shade of yellow would photograph light. Green always photographs very dark as does red. But again it is kind of confusing when it comes to blue and yellow. I will enquire of the Kodak Company and see if their experts have an opinion on this. Take care Willy ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:53:53 -0500 (CDT) From: fedders To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rickenbacker's kill total Message-ID: If all that matters is who wins, why are we studying history and what does it matter if any aircraft are shot down that alone who shot them down? On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/24/00 10:58:28 AM EST, pfed@saladin.wustl.edu writes: > > << > The number of kills of American and British pilots is largely irrelevant > since saying that you shot down an airplane was enough. Many of > Rickenbachers kills were on days where no Germans were shot down in his > sector. > >> > > FWIW, it's been determined by later research post WW2 that most A2A kills > were overstated by a factor of 2, and this includes the much-vaunted German > verification system. Some units it was even worse. I recall the famous RAF > score during the BoB of 185, later downgraded to 59 IIRC. All in all, it > doesn't matter what the individual scores were - it matters who won. The > Luftwaffe stopped the BoB, so the RAF won, didn't matter the score. > > Tom Cleaver > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2585 **********************