WWI Digest 2576 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: New site by Zulis@aol.com 2) RE: New site by "Gaston Graf" 3) Re: New Site Copyright infringement by David Fleming 4) Spandau plans by Mark Miller 5) Praise for Lance and Rib Tapes by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 6) Re: Rib Tapes by "Lance Krieg" 7) A most delicate subject by "DAVID BURKE" 8) Re: A most delicate subject by "Michael Kendix" 9) RE: A most delicate subject by "Graham Hunter" 10) Re: A most delicate subject by bucky@ptdprolog.net 11) RE: A most delicate subject by "dfernet0" 12) Re: A most delicate subject by "Tom Solinski" 13) Gotha tunnel was : A most delicate subject by "Tom Solinski" 14) Our dearest hun WAS: Squadron Signal Publications by "dfernet0" 15) Re: A most delicate subject by Mike Kavanaugh 16) Re: Praise for Lance and Rib Tapes by fedders 17) Americal/Gryphon Rib Tape Width by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 18) Re: New Site Copyright infringement by Mark Miller 19) by fedders 20) Re: (null) by "Matt Bittner" 21) Re: A most delicate subject by MAnde72343@aol.com 22) Re: A most delicate subject by Lyle Lamboley 23) Re: Gotha tunnel was : A most delicate subject by Lyle Lamboley 24) Re: A most delicate subject by Zulis@aol.com 25) Re: A most delicate subject by K129000@aol.com 26) Re: A most delicate subject by "Sharon Henderson" 27) Re: Americal/Gryphon Rib Tape Width by "DAVID BURKE" 28) Re: A most delicate subject by "DAVID BURKE" 29) Re: by "DAVID BURKE" 30) Re: Gotha tunnel was : A most delicate subject by "DAVID BURKE" 31) Re: New site by K129000@aol.com 32) Re: New Site Copyright infringement by David Fleming 33) Re: A most delicate subject by "Mark Shannon" 34) Re: Gotha tunnel was : A most delicate subject by "Dale Sebring" 35) Re: Gotha tunnel was : A most delicate subject by "DAVID BURKE" 36) Re: A most delicate subject by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:32:58 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New site Message-ID: Gaston writes: << I wonder how long that it will take until this guy will be sued by the authors of "The Jasta Pilots". Minimum the page about Jasta 2 is fully copied from that book. Well, we all take our information mostly from existing books but the trick is to avoid word by word reproductions. Ain't that so? >> Also, the profiles. I know some of the profiles, particularly the Fok D.II, look familiar. Lets hope he doesnt discover Bob's page.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:44:49 +0200 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: New site Message-ID: There is yet another site I cannot remember the URL of but its "author" has stolen the background graphics and some other stuff right away from "theAerodrome.com". I remember it was a Czech site about Ernst Udet... I used to show some artwork of Fokker Dr.1s on my site, made by Rimell, taken from the Windsock Datafile special but I always made clear that copyright was of Rimell, not mine. But one day he protested and told me to remove his artwork from my site which I did. From that day on I am careful, and Bobs profiles on my site are posted with his permission only. Gaston Graf Webmaster of the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Zulis@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 4:40 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: New site > > > Gaston writes: > > << I wonder how long that it will take until this guy will be sued by the > authors of "The Jasta Pilots". Minimum the page about Jasta 2 is fully > copied from that book. Well, we all take our information mostly from > existing books but the trick is to avoid word by word > reproductions. Ain't > that so? >> > > Also, the profiles. I know some of the profiles, particularly the Fok > D.II, look familiar. Lets hope he doesnt discover Bob's page.... > > Dave Z > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:14:55 +0100 From: David Fleming To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: New Site Copyright infringement Message-ID: <39A3EA6E.339B9448@dial.pipex.com> Not just Bob, There's some datafile profiles up there as well ! (e.g. Albatros DV from DF3) ------------------------------ Date: 23 Aug 2000 08:36:14 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Spandau plans Message-ID: <20000823153614.24511.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> Hi all Does anybody know if there are any plan views for the Spandau on the web. I was going to use a 1/6 scale (or was it 1/8) Williams Brothers Model that I built several years ago to get the dimensions but I can't find it. grrrr - It drives me nuts when I lose things, and I do it so often Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:37:41 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Praise for Lance and Rib Tapes Message-ID: Hey Lance, (all hail the W.12 King) Good tip on using the plans for helping keep rib tapes evenly spaced and straight. How wide is a 1/1 rib tape? The reason I ask is my Americal/Gryphon tapes seem pretty wide in 1/72. They are also easier to keep straight since I quit slicing them into narrower pieces. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:55:44 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Rib Tapes Message-ID: Brent wonders: "How wide is a 1/1 rib tape?" IIRC, around 2 ½ inches or 50 mm. You can build a little jig to slice these evenly, or put two blades and a small spacer in an Xacto knife and use a straight edge. Still boring, though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:07:49 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: A most delicate subject Message-ID: <007301c00d1c$4a11cda0$2e83aec7@com> I somehow started thinking about this last night, and can't get it out of my head. Now fighters in WWI wouldn't have flown long missions lasting many hours. But bombers did. And of course, the normally functioning human body needs to get rid of waste products in a timely manner. Did any WWI A/C have what was to become known as the 'relief tube'? Did Voss have one in 103/17, and was it green or yellow? DB (ducking away with a grin) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:23:41 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A most delicate subject Message-ID: Dave: >Did any WWI A/C have what was to become known as the 'relief tube'? I'm sure I read that the Il'ya Mourametz had toilets, however, that was an unusual design for a WW1 aeroplane with it's closed off interior. Michael ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:28:33 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: A most delicate subject Message-ID: <000901c00d1f$2fea37c0$fa0101c0@grahamh> -----Original Message----- DAVID BURKE <> ROTFLOL David you are a bad, baad, baaad man... Of course you went before you went up... Unless there's more than one use for the Gotha tunnel... GH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:37:43 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A most delicate subject Message-ID: <39A3FDD7.6D8C2A12@ptdprolog.net> DAVID BURKE wrote: Did any WWI A/C have what was to become known as the 'relief tube'? Did > Voss have one in 103/17, and was it green or yellow? OK, I'll try to respond. I seem to remember reading somewhere(famous fudge phrase) that the castor oil caused major problems initially. Can't remember why it seemed to stop. Anyway, I also remember a description of someone trying to hang out over the cockpit trying to take a dump, literally. Go, why does stuff like this stick in my mind???? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:42:14 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: A most delicate subject Message-ID: <005501c00d21$18618520$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dave > I somehow started thinking about this last night, and can't get it out of my > head. Now fighters in WWI wouldn't have flown long missions lasting many > hours. But bombers did. And of course, the normally functioning human body > needs to get rid of waste products in a timely manner. No wonder why London citizens hated so much the Gotha raids... D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:45:32 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: A most delicate subject Message-ID: <009801c00d21$8da422c0$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> > > Did any WWI A/C have what was to become known as the 'relief tube'? Did > Voss have one in 103/17, and was it green or yellow? Depends if it was dry or wet respectively. Also ducking, actually deploying an umbrella Tom S OKC If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:47:16 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Gotha tunnel was : A most delicate subject Message-ID: <009f01c00d21$cba45400$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> > > Unless there's more than one use for the Gotha tunnel... > > Speaking of which, has anyone else with RB 3D noticed that you can see the gunner in the Gotha's tunnel? Tom S OKC If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:46:59 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: Our dearest hun WAS: Squadron Signal Publications Message-ID: <006301c00d21$c19abf80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Gaston: > Btw: I am NO HUN ;o)! My wife is one, tough. I'm Luxemburger - no Frog, no > Hun, no Belgian, - but right in the middle between, hehe. Glad to meet you! You are the first luxemburger I know, ever. But since you are married with a german lady, that's makes you a "Green Card Hun". D. polishing the brass on his pickelhaube ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:03:05 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A most delicate subject Message-ID: <39A41FE9.C94D132F@earthlink.net> Like consensus on previous thread, depends on when. In this case, green before and yellow after. ;-) Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:18:05 -0500 (CDT) From: fedders To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Praise for Lance and Rib Tapes Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com wrote: > > Hey Lance, (all hail the W.12 King) > > Good tip on using the plans for helping keep rib tapes evenly spaced and > straight. > > How wide is a 1/1 rib tape? The reason I ask is my Americal/Gryphon tapes > seem pretty wide in 1/72. They are also easier to keep straight since I > quit slicing them into narrower pieces. I asked Glen about this and he said that they were the correct width peter > > Later! > > Brent > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:27:20 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Americal/Gryphon Rib Tape Width Message-ID: Howdy! >> How wide is a 1/1 rib tape? The reason I ask is my Americal/Gryphon tapes >> seem pretty wide in 1/72. They are also easier to keep straight since I >> quit slicing them into narrower pieces. >I asked Glen about this and he said that they were the correct width Perhaps it is a quality control issue? Some of my rib tapes on the decal sheet are noticable thicker than others. Plus I have fuzzy edges on a lot of them. If 1/1 rib tapes are 2.5 inches wide then my 1/72 rib tapes should be .035 inches wide (about 1/32"). I haven't measured them yet but they look wider then 1/32. I'll report tomorrow. (Note to self: Take calipers home...) Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: 23 Aug 2000 10:49:24 -0700 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Site Copyright infringement Message-ID: <20000823174924.18923.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> oh no not a copyright thread trust me - just leave this one alone well ... don't say I didn't warn you Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:50:24 -0500 (CDT) From: fedders To: models Message-ID: what has happened to Hannants? Do they have a new web adress?? peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:54:02 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: (null) Message-ID: <200008231755.KAA21162@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:55:37 -0400 (EDT), fedders wrote: > what has happened to Hannants? Do they have a new web adress?? Not a new address, but a new site layout. You need to link from their "main" address: http://www.hannants.co.uk/ HTH Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:25:22 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A most delicate subject Message-ID: <32.93a4f0f.26d57112@aol.com> There is a story about a French pilot, from the first half of the war, who had zippers installed in his flight suit, and trap doors put in his planes seat and fuselage, so that when the Castor oil started to hit, he would fly over the German trenches... sounds like just one of those stories, but the idea seems very French. IIRC, Gotha crews used a covered bucket, but I have no idea if it was an 'issue' or a scrounge item. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:40:51 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A most delicate subject Message-ID: <20000823.144435.-248735.1.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:41:17 -0400 (EDT) bucky@ptdprolog.net writes: . Anyway, I also remember a description of someone > trying to > hang out over the cockpit trying to take a dump, literally. Go, why > does stuff > like this stick in my mind???? > Mike Looks like that Fokker would have streaks running in the direction of the slipstream. ;-O Lyle (quickly ducking) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:44:33 -0400 From: Lyle Lamboley To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Gotha tunnel was : A most delicate subject Message-ID: <20000823.144435.-248735.2.lyle.lamboley@juno.com> On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:52:25 -0400 (EDT) "Tom Solinski" writes: > > > > Unless there's more than one use for the Gotha tunnel... > > > > Speaking of which, has anyone else with RB 3D noticed that you can > see the > gunner in the Gotha's tunnel? I dunno, I've never made it in that close to a Gotha. I'm usually heading for a one-point landing sans wings by the time I get near. Maybe it's time to switch to invulnerable... Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:58:39 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A most delicate subject Message-ID: <3a.9814df6.26d578df@aol.com> << Anyway, I also remember a description of someone > trying to > hang out over the cockpit trying to take a dump, literally. >> And, as the caterpillar becomes a butterfly, and the tadpole becomes a frog, so, too, does the fighter become a bomber. DZ I think I've been handing around Sharon too much... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:04:01 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A most delicate subject Message-ID: <44.6a6ae95.26d57a21@aol.com> In a message dated 00-08-23 12:26:03 EDT, you write: << I'm sure I read that the Il'ya Mourametz had toilets, however, that was an unusual design for a WW1 aeroplane with it's closed off interior. Michael >> Its predicessors the Russian Knight or Le Grande had a washroom. So it is quite possible. K-129 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:04:48 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: A most delicate subject Message-ID: <200008231911.PAA27526@minion.netpolicy.com> :-) I'm not EVEN going to attempt to top that one.... ;-) Sharon ---------- > << Anyway, I also remember a description of someone > > trying to > > hang out over the cockpit trying to take a dump, literally. >> > > And, as the caterpillar becomes a butterfly, > and the tadpole becomes a frog, > so, too, does the fighter become a bomber. > > DZ > > I think I've been handing around Sharon too much... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:27:18 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Americal/Gryphon Rib Tape Width Message-ID: <002401c00d38$afac2cc0$5c84aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:34 PM Subject: Americal/Gryphon Rib Tape Width > > Howdy! > > >> How wide is a 1/1 rib tape? The reason I ask is my Americal/Gryphon > tapes > >> seem pretty wide in 1/72. They are also easier to keep straight since I > >> quit slicing them into narrower pieces. > > >I asked Glen about this and he said that they were the correct width > > Perhaps it is a quality control issue? Some of my rib tapes on the decal > sheet are noticable thicker than others. Plus I have fuzzy edges on a lot > of them. If 1/1 rib tapes are 2.5 inches wide then my 1/72 rib tapes should > be .035 inches wide (about 1/32"). I haven't measured them yet but they > look wider then 1/32. I'll report tomorrow. (Note to self: Take calipers > home...) > > Later! > > Brent > Hi Brent, I was not too pleased with the A/G tapes that I got. I use a sheet of sky blue trim, and a sheet of clear that I sprayed with a 'salmon' color. Then it's all X-acto and straight-edge. 1/72 might be awfully difficult, though. DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:29:13 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: A most delicate subject Message-ID: <002501c00d38$b08f87e0$5c84aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:41 AM Subject: Re: A most delicate subject > > > DAVID BURKE wrote: > Did any WWI A/C have what was to become known as the 'relief tube'? Did > > > Voss have one in 103/17, and was it green or yellow? > > OK, I'll try to respond. I seem to remember reading somewhere(famous fudge > phrase) that the castor oil caused major problems initially. Can't remember why > it seemed to stop. Anyway, I also remember a description of someone trying to > hang out over the cockpit trying to take a dump, literally. Go, why does stuff > like this stick in my mind???? > Mike > ...as long as it doesn't stick to the plane.... Seriously though, I wondered about that on long bombing missions, and I'm sure that sometimes the guys got food poisoning, or got sick to their stomachs. I was curious if anybody came up with bathroom amenities. DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:31:04 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Message-ID: <002601c00d38$b1609380$5c84aec7@com> Yes, Hannants has moved their website, and the new one is no longer accessible from the old address. Apparently, your 'cookies' will also have to be upgraded. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: "fedders" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:55 PM > > what has happened to Hannants? Do they have a new web adress?? > > peter > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:33:35 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Gotha tunnel was : A most delicate subject Message-ID: <006001c00d39$5b9d3420$5c84aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Lamboley" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Gotha tunnel was : A most delicate subject > > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:52:25 -0400 (EDT) "Tom Solinski" > writes: > > > > > > Unless there's more than one use for the Gotha tunnel... > > > > > > Speaking of which, has anyone else with RB 3D noticed that you can > > see the > > gunner in the Gotha's tunnel? > > I dunno, I've never made it in that close to a Gotha. I'm usually > heading for a one-point landing sans wings by the time I get near. Maybe > it's time to switch to invulnerable... > Lyle I would rather take on 2 Dr.1's than 1 Gotha. The thing is nearly unapproachable! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:52:03 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New site Message-ID: <31.9495c5a.26d58563@aol.com> In a message dated 00-08-23 08:17:48 EDT, you write: << Here's a new site that was posted at The Aerodrome Forum: http://209.235.66.44/WW1/WW1.htm Matt Bittner >> Nice. I like the Type N pictures. Haven't seena few of them yet. I think one is mislabeled though. The Type said to be at the factory is a Prototype of the Type-N. The Spinner is a hemisphere with a cone, unlike the ussual spinner. IIRC K-129 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:02:52 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Site Copyright infringement Message-ID: <39A42DEB.4C121A01@dial.pipex.com> Mark Miller wrote: > oh no > not a copyright thread > trust me - just leave this one alone > I concur. Was just noting it. David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:45:58 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: A most delicate subject Message-ID: I remember a short story, I think by Nicholas Monserrat, about a 'fair exchange' -- two WWI airmen took pity on a sailor who was about to be hauled off on a drunkeness charge and took him with them on their night bombing mission. They kept reminding him before they took off to just 'do it between your legs if you get sick, not over the side because then it will end up in our faces' (they put him in the front gunner's station on what must have been a Handley-Page). Turns out the sailor was the 'gunner/torpedoman' on one of the channel torpedo boats, and he took the pilot on one of *their* raids. The airmen thought he was one of the harbor taximen or some such, then found out just how nerve wracking the sailor's war was. Makes you wonder, though, since there are a lot of stories about later-to-be aces who were airsick almost constantly as observers. (think of MvR in the front cockpit of that AEG....) .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:51:45 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Gotha tunnel was : A most delicate subject Message-ID: <004701c00d43$f3da16e0$42b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID BURKE" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:39 PM Subject: Re: Gotha tunnel was : A most delicate subject > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lyle Lamboley" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:49 PM > Subject: Re: Gotha tunnel was : A most delicate subject > > > > > > > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:52:25 -0400 (EDT) "Tom Solinski" > > writes: > > > > > > > > Unless there's more than one use for the Gotha tunnel... > > > > > > > > Speaking of which, has anyone else with RB 3D noticed that you can > > > see the > > > gunner in the Gotha's tunnel? > > > > I dunno, I've never made it in that close to a Gotha. I'm usually > > heading for a one-point landing sans wings by the time I get near. Maybe > > it's time to switch to invulnerable... > > Lyle > > I would rather take on 2 Dr.1's than 1 Gotha. The thing is nearly > unapproachable! > > > DB > Pick them off at long range(~300 ft.) at the exact same level and they fall like flies. With several of them its difficult, but can be done using Kentucky windage and some luck. Dale S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:12:25 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Gotha tunnel was : A most delicate subject Message-ID: <001601c00d47$1ab3bd40$6290aec7@com> > > I would rather take on 2 Dr.1's than 1 Gotha. The thing is nearly > > unapproachable! > > > > > > DB > > > Pick them off at long range(~300 ft.) at the exact same level and they fall > like flies. With several of them its difficult, but can be done using > Kentucky windage and some luck. > Dale S. > That's what I usually do, but since the rate of closure is pretty high, I am also constantly blipping my ignition to keep out of their range. It's what I do with most of the other enemy bombers. But that damned tunnel gun is a real bother! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:14:17 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: A most delicate subject Message-ID: <001701c00d47$1ba7e140$6290aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shannon" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 3:46 PM Subject: Re: A most delicate subject > I remember a short story, I think by Nicholas Monserrat, about a 'fair exchange' -- two WWI airmen took pity on a sailor who was about to be hauled off on a drunkeness charge and took him with them on their night bombing mission. They kept reminding him before they took off to just 'do it between your legs if you get sick, not over the side because then it will end up in our faces' (they put him in the front gunner's station on what must have been a Handley-Page). > > Turns out the sailor was the 'gunner/torpedoman' on one of the channel torpedo boats, and he took the pilot on one of *their* raids. The airmen thought he was one of the harbor taximen or some such, then found out just how nerve wracking the sailor's war was. > > Makes you wonder, though, since there are a lot of stories about later-to-be aces who were airsick almost constantly as observers. (think of MvR in the front cockpit of that AEG....) > > .Mark. Ahhh. So before he was the Red Baron, he was a rather 'Green' one! DB ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2576 **********************