WWI Digest 2571 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Religion - was Re: Voss; the thread from hell. by "Dale Sebring" 2) Re: Lafayette escadrille by "Matt Bittner" 3) Re: Next from Spin Models by ERIC HIGHT 4) Re: 32nd Scale Kits from VAMPS? by Todd Hayes 5) Re: DH2 cookup by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: Albatros DV radiators Painter or Not? by "DAVID BURKE" 7) Re: Participation Not Required, was, Re: Vos [sic] by "DAVID BURKE" 8) What the... was : Re: Voss; the thread from hell. by "DAVID BURKE" 9) Re: "Shouting,," was, Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again by "DAVID BURKE" 10) Re: Kids and Models by "DAVID BURKE" 11) Re: DH2 cookup by "Ken Acosta" 12) Re: DH2 cookup by "Lance Krieg" 13) Re: Back to the Fold and Albatros Cookup Question by "cameron rile" 14) Re: Re: Lafayette escadrille by "cameron rile" 15) I'm back by "Francisca e Pedro Soares" 16) Further re: Albatros Radiators by Zulis@aol.com 17) Re: I'm back by Zulis@aol.com 18) Re: Kids and Models by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 19) Re: Marine Aircraft of WWI by Zulis@aol.com 20) Is it just me or is the List Crabby? by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 21) RE: Some thougthts on Voss, Ortho emulsions & the meaning of life..... by "Webmaster Jasta Boelcke" 22) Re: Lafayette escadrille by Zulis@aol.com 23) RE: RBII Value Line version not upgradable! by "Webmaster Jasta Boelcke" 24) Re: Participation Not Required, was, Re: Vos [sic] by Mike Kavanaugh 25) Re: I'm back by "Richard Eaton" 26) Mike's Albatros by smperry@mindspring.com 27) Re: DH2 cookup by "Tom Solinski" 28) Re: Bleriot XI, -2, -3 and BG. by "Tom Solinski" 29) Re: Mike's Albatros by "Bob Pearson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:54:09 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Religion - was Re: Voss; the thread from hell. Message-ID: <000701c00ba9$930300c0$48b58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 11:08 AM Subject: Religion - was Re: Voss; the thread from hell. > In a message dated 8/21/00 8:26:30 AM EST, alleluja@ida.net writes: > > << > > Ernest, I believe that's Christ w/ a capital C, and God w/ a Capital > G.....after all we don't want to ofend Those who put us "here" and will also > allow us the leave sometime. I also agree with you 100% on this Voss thing > and only opened this message because it was from you and enjoy your imput > very much and the thread from hell title got my attention. >> > > Which all depends on whose god you believe in, or don't. > > As I recall, the First Amendment's position on the freedom of religion is > that I am as free of yours as your are of mine. I am endeavoring not to > respond to your political statements, and not to put out more of my own that > are not related directly to OT subject matter in historical context. As the > parental units used to say, discussions of religion, politics and money > without agreement from all parties to the discussion is a good way to kill > friendships. > > Yours truly, > > Tom Cleaver > Tom, You're quite correct, sorry about that E. & Tom. Happy building, Dale S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:00:15 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Lafayette escadrille Message-ID: <200008212000.NAA26810@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:01:27 -0400 (EDT), Todd Hayes wrote: > Try Americal/Gryphon sheets #66, 67. More La Fayettes > than you can handle! 'Snot possible! ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:00:24 -0700 From: ERIC HIGHT To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Next from Spin Models Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000821130024.008e7b64@pop.amug.org> tom, thanks for the compliment. but i kinda doubt it. what i don't understand is why would you buy an inferior kit for the same price or slightly less. this is based on what everyone tells me when they compare the two kits and that's all the modelerers not just us anal retentive ones. and in the spin case it sounds as though csm's is substantually less. so you still haven't anwered my question. i have a feeling there is no answer. well enough babble for now. later regards, eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:54:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 32nd Scale Kits from VAMPS? Message-ID: <20000821195437.15313.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Brent, I haven't seen them yet, but I plan to. Todd --- Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com wrote: > > Howdy! > > Has anyone seen the 32nd scale kits Lubos carries > now? I don't normally > build that large of a scale, but I'm a sucker for > any Halberstadt Cl. > > > Later! > > Brent > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:25:55 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: DH2 cookup Message-ID: <018601c00bab$4e56d300$f981aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaughan-Jackson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 12:30 PM Subject: Re: DH2 cookup > How 'bout a boom-er cook up. > Don't have a DH2 but have a nice Fe2B itching to be built. > Make it a Pusher theme and see what crawls out from under the workbench?? > > MVJ > NB Cook up Dva in 1/72 - still - just haven't had much time before the > bench this summer. :-( Now, does ANYONE make a 1/48 Fe.2b or a Gunbus in 1/48? I ordered a Fe.2b from Aeroclub via Roll Models and got an F.2b. TIA DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:24:07 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Albatros DV radiators Painter or Not? Message-ID: <018501c00bab$4d74fe80$f981aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Albatros DV radiators Painter or Not? > With wing radiators, usually the outer surfaces were grills to protect the > actual radiator tubes (from accidental damage on and or near the ground) , > and were painted with 'silver ' (probably an Aluminum based) heat paint. > Some had screens or other metal mesh between the outer grill and the tubes > (which were, as on many cars, really flattened ovals) I'm sure at least some > of the 'grills' were overpainted at one time or another, but the majority of > photos show the radiators/grills as a markedly different color from the > surrounding painted areas, so I usually go with some metallic color, but use > your own judgment. BTW IMHO ignore the pictures of the DV radiator in the > Datafile, that is the Australian DV, and was it used in Palestine, and looks > like additional metal "honeycomb" was added (again as in car radiators) to > effectively increase the surface area for cooling in that harsh climate. > Merrill > Merrill is pretty right on here IMNSHO, and I would add that some of the non-functional portions of the radiator, such as a housing or fairing, may have also benifitted from a coat of light or medium grey enamel as per the usual protective finish for metal parts. HOWEVER, the grille, tubing, etc would likely have been natural metal, as a coating would have acted like an insulator and retarded cooling. DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:57:07 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: Participation Not Required, was, Re: Vos [sic] Message-ID: <018801c00bab$51c741a0$f981aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Thomas" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 1:43 AM Subject: Re: Participation Not Required, was, Re: Vos [sic] > > > Mistress Lorna wrote: > > > But sometimes a good flogging or spanking does wonders for the > > morale..... doesn't do anything for the morals though ;-) > > Au contrair! It keeps the morals..... flexible. > E. Flexible? Naah. 'Pliable' is the word you want. And sting-y and welty! :-0 DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:00:23 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: What the... was : Re: Voss; the thread from hell. Message-ID: <018901c00bab$528f2580$f981aec7@com> > Ernest, I believe that's Christ w/ a capital C, and God w/ a Capital > G.....after all we don't want to ofend Those who put us "here" and will also > allow us the leave sometime. I also agree with you 100% on this Voss thing > and only opened this message because it was from you and enjoy your imput > very much and the thread from hell title got my attention. > Thanks much > Dale S. > Now how in the hell did JC and Big Poppa turn up on this site? Jeez, I get enough of that during Mardi Gras. Lay off, willya? DB .. 'Dogma' has become my favorite movie. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:01:21 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: "Shouting,," was, Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again Message-ID: <018a01c00bab$5361b7c0$f981aec7@com> My most profound apologies for my 'shouting'. However, I was wearing gloves when I typed that, and I didn't know how muffled my typing was. Hellen Keller had the same problem IIRC. I will try to keep the voice down. And where are the double negs that I am accused of? HMMM? As far as the debate of 'what happened when', or 'what scheme was in existence when', with Voss' machine - well, unless the previously mentioned time machine is built, there is no photo evidence that I, or anyone else, seems to have handy. So we are back to looking at a few (a very few) B&W pics that tell us diddley-squat. So if you are one of those who are still persistent in chasing the tail of 'what color when', then good for you. I figure it's one of those questions that isn't gonna be answered anytime soon, if ever. I agree that I am probably right in saying that it flew with more than one scheme, and that's enough for me until somebody comes up with more pics (I love it when I agree with myself). Me, I'd rather point my wandering attention to different areas. Dicta Ira DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:05:27 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: Kids and Models Message-ID: <018b01c00bab$543a6480$f981aec7@com> I agree. I have been so used to 'flight characteristics' off WW2 and modern A/C that the first time I played RB2 I figured that the flight simulations must have been goofy in the software. Now I have a further appreciation of the difficulties involved with flying WWI A/C. It wasn't the program, it was my expectations of how the A/C should behave which was wrong. In short: I understand now why so many pilots were killed in training! Like you, the models and games have piqued my interest in History in all of those periods you mentioned, as well as others. I just picked up books on Thermopylae and Guadalcanal, as I don't know much about them, and figured that I should learn about them. BTW, can anyone recommend good books on Verdun, Somme, and Ypres? DB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Webmaster Jasta Boelcke" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 2:45 AM Subject: RE: Kids and Models > David, > > this is one of the main advantages of PC games - they bring history to life > if they are good and because kids love to play computer games they become > interested into history. I started with plastic modeling at the age of eight > years and since that time my interest in history grew quickly. First it was > the tanks and fighters of WWII, then it was WW1... midage followed...the > Romans... Napoleonic wars... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:12:43 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: , Subject: Re: DH2 cookup Message-ID: >>> dora9@sprynet.com 08/21/00 03:10PM >>> Now, does ANYONE make a 1/48 Fe.2b or a Gunbus in 1/48? I ordered a Fe.2b from Aeroclub via Roll Models and got an F.2b. DB- Roll must have misread your order. Aeroclub DOES have an Fe2b. I know cuz I got mine thru Roll Models. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:18:56 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: DH2 cookup Message-ID: DB asks: "... does ANYONE make a 1/48 Fe.2b or a Gunbus in 1/48? I ordered a Fe.2b from Aeroclub via Roll Models and got an F.2b." Aeroclub has a very respectable FE2b as well as the "Biff"; Roll models got confused as to which plane you ordered, or you got confused as to which you requested. No Gunbus in the correct scale, tho, sorry to say. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:30:13 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Back to the Fold and Albatros Cookup Question Message-ID: <6D918C6FB9774D115AD40005B80A9E19@cameron.prontomail.com> Mike, >Er...this is as good a time as any to mention mine is now officially dead. As I was >putting on the landing gear, I knocked it to the floor where it broke for the 4th >and final time! :-( Smashed beyond repair, this time....anyway, all of the repairs >were starting to show. So, my next Albatros will be after an appropriate delay... >good luck to everyone else. Lesson I learned....#1. never put a model near the >edge of a work area. #2. clean up the work area. You will have to send in a smashed picture. :) cam AFC - http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:34:04 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Lafayette escadrille Message-ID: Bob, Dave wrote; >>Soubrain's plane was n. 1977 and had a red >>band with thin blue edge, S was in red. Bob wrote; >They're correct if you do Soubiran's a/c The Testors decals have a black stripe and a black funny S. I couldnt get my home made decals to work properly without ripping on the Strutter, I ended up painting the white kangaroo by hand. Not sure if I have the dexterity to do the S. Will probably give it a go though. cam http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:31:58 +0100 From: "Francisca e Pedro Soares" To: "WW1 Modelling list" Subject: I'm back Message-ID: <004a01c00baf$a25c1560$88ae37d4@pc1> Friends, I haven't touched plastic in many months now, but I'm finnally set in my new house and yes, it's time to subscribe once again. I know I've lost a lot during my absence from your company, and I was extremely disturbed to learn that Bill had left us. Still I'm sure that he and Michel will always be a part of The List and maybe, who knows, they have met out there somewhere... Well, all for now, and it's really great to be back with you Ladies and Gents. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:37:33 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Further re: Albatros Radiators Message-ID: Greetings! Barry at Rosemont had decals for the radiators available some time ago (probably still are) and I bought a set. As I understand it, the decals are to go where the radiator would be on the wing, top and bottom. Has anyone tried these yet? Do they yield a better result than hand-painting the little raised portion molded onto the wing? (Eduard 1/72) And finally, if I were to use them, should I sand down those raised portions, as I dont think micro-solling will get the decals to adopt the relief.? TIA, Dave Z Progress report: My first attempt at this model started out well, but when I got to the rigging stage I realized I had put the engine in backwards (talk about your rookie mistake). It has sat on the shelf staring at me since, and I have decided that even Dicta Ira doesnt allow me to overlook that one. As splitting the fuselage, tearing off the top wing, etc would pretty well be the end of this kit, I have purchased another one and have started again. I may change to a different plane, just so I dont end up building the same thing twice.... but I am back on track for the cookup. Ultimately, my problem may be the photo. I used to be a pretty serious photographer, but I just realized that I dont have a single camera in working condition in the house anymore. However, I have a month or so to find something to do the job..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:38:57 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <67.89d6b2d.26d2ed61@aol.com> Great to see you back, Pedro! Perhaps you can break the tie..... what colour was the cowl? ( just kidding...) Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:44:38 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kids and Models Message-ID: <39A194B6.FD4CEA06@tac.com.au> DAVID BURKE wrote: > BTW, can anyone recommend good books on Verdun, Somme, and Ypres? > > DB Hi Dave, I can recommend the WW1 books from After the Battle. I have the Flanders one & it is very good. Other listees may be able to dissect it better than me, but I enjoyed it. Check out their website at: http://www.afterthebattle.mcmail.com/ Regards, Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm Having FUN making models ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:42:30 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Marine Aircraft of WWI Message-ID: <75.8a1e32e.26d2ee36@aol.com> Regarding: << "... a source of supply for the Harleyford book, "Marine Aircraft of WWI"?" >> List member Brad Gossen recently acquired one for former list member Kevin Barrett. He may have a line on where to get another, but as he is honeymooning this week, he probably has other things on his mind. Perhaps, in a week or so, when he is home and the dust has settled, you might want to drop him a note. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:42:26 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Is it just me or is the List Crabby? Message-ID: See above! Go outside, get some sunshine, drink a recreational beverage or perhaps even go spawn with the opposite sex. If I see any more crabby posts I'll start posting French jokes It ain't a limerick And it ain't haiku but it rhymes and that's the best I can do I'll try and do the next post in a Sam I Am theme.... Still building (2) cookup D.Va's, Pegasus DH-2, Aeroclub Re-8 Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:45:27 +0200 From: "Webmaster Jasta Boelcke" To: Subject: RE: Some thougthts on Voss, Ortho emulsions & the meaning of life..... Message-ID: Hi folks! > > Phew !! Go away for a couple of days & Colour wars III breaks out !! Oh I personally do not see this as a war! A war would be fought using bad and insulting words but on this list members seem to be (fortunately) of a certain mature. We do not need to behave like immature teens and because we are aware of this discussing is really fun and productive > > At the risk of being accused of being a necrophiliac sado-masochistic > beastialist, I would like to make a few observations on the above (As it > may have been my joke which started all this ...) > > 1) Where did the 'Yellow' description come from in the first place ? I personally do not know but in the book "The Jasta Pilots" Voss' aircraft is mentionned to have had a chromate yellow cowling. But it's not mentionned at what time it had the cowling painted yellow. Also this is the only source I have that mentions the yellow cowling. > > 2) The photos Stef and Gaston posted could be used to prove or disprove > both (or all three) theories. One problem with interpreting old photos > is that most of us are unfamiliar with the emulsions used. Anyone who > has played around with their own D+P on B+W will know that emulsions on > negatives and prints react differently, both on exposure and processing, > resulting in different contrasts of ostensibly the same scene. Even > today, different batches of the same product can have different > characteristics. Adjusting the contrast on a computer only adjusts the > contrasts created by the printer, and takes no account of burning or > dodging. Note also that I use the term emulsion rather than film - > chances are many of these could originally have been taken on glass > plate negatives (And the prints may be contact rather than enlarged !) > I agree with you! Examining pictures of Spitfires and Hurrincanes (yes I'm heavily interested into WWII too) which was taken using Ortho films clearly reveals that this sort of film REVERSED the colors red, blue and yellow. The yellow outline of the british roundel turned very dark while at the same time red is displayed very dark too and blue turned very pale... White however remains white on the photographs. When I use this pattern now to examine the pictures of Voss' triplane that we all know: Wouldn't it be just logical that the tail or rudder would have turned very dark too on Ortho films? Or was only the cowling painted yellow? Atleast the picture of the sideview of F1 103/17 proves the theorie of an entire yellow tail wrong because no uniform color is shown the day this picture was made. One can clearly see the streaks. All F1s was doped in turqoise with the olive painted over it in the usual streaky manner... Those streaks appear in quite a sharp contrast to the turqoise underground as well as where darker streaks are overlapping lighter streaks. Now looking at the camouflage colors of both Spitfires and Hurricanes the usage of Ortho film clearly displays that there wasn't much a big difference in the tonality of dark green and earth brown when Ortho films was used but on pictures made on other films the difference between both colors are sharp and clear. On Ortho films the colors green and brown seem to merge. Now I wonder if there would be a clear sharp difference visible between dark and pale olive streaks if Ortho film was used for the Voss pictures? But the pictures all show clear streaks so there is really no evidence to me that the pictures of Voss' aircraft was made using Ortho films. Of all the pictures that I found in my books about triplanes and Albatros' there seem to be none or very few being made on Orthochromatic films. I did not examine them all but those I examined did not reveal any color deterioration. > 3) the cowl being a different shade than the fuselage is not necessarily > an indicator of a different colour - a (painted) metal cowl could have > been polished by the mechanics, resulting in a different shade. > (Different reflectivity) Excactly my opinion which I expressed already to the list, only expressed using other words! > > 4) Stef's comment re yellows on ortho is valid - they are not always > 'dark' (I believe this is due to how much 'red/orange' is in the yellow, > ortho being unsensitive in this area of the spectrum) My Cook up > Albatros, G56, is described as having a 'bright' yellow' spinner, yet it > just shows as a mid grey on most photos. On the Spitfire and Hurricane pics the yellow always turned dark to the same tone but on normal b/w films there can be differences seen on the same yellow (the roundel outline) which certainly depended on light exposure and other influences. > > 5) Dave's photo of the IWM triplane rudder proves one thing - white will > stand out on yellow without a border. (At least one of the photos of > Voss' triplane shows a light rudder with the cross outlined in white. > CDL ?) > On my pics I cannot see an outlined cross. The rudder appears to be white on all the pics. > IMHO, until someone can find a proven source which proves one way or > another, both sides of this argument can make reasonable interpretations > to support their point. See above reply to point 2. To me there is no evidence of Ortho film being used for the Voss' pictures. > > On of our newer members said he was an archaeologist - maybe if we had > the co-ordinates the plane went down, we could do a dig for pieces of > yellow painted metal............. :-)) > > While some may feel this has been the flogging mentioned above, at least > one positive has come out of it - the subject has intrigued me enough to > make me want to model this aircraft, and you'd never have got me to make > a non captured German plane before !! (At least it had a 'g' number - > G72) > Yes, this discussion brought me to the idea to build a model too, perhaps a diorama. But I know that I will have to scratchbuild some figures and a hangar so I will make plans for this project once I retired. Perhaps then I will have the time for modeling and perhaps the final answer to this question will be found until that day. We still have 21 years left until I will retire from active choo-choo driving ;o). sincerely Gaston Graf Webmaster of the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:48:53 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lafayette escadrille Message-ID: Cam writes: << The Testors decals have a black stripe and a black funny S. I couldnt get my home made decals to work properly without ripping on the Strutter, I ended up painting the white kangaroo by hand. Not sure if I have the dexterity to do the S. Will probably give it a go though. >> Use the black ones, insist they are actually red and anyone who argues with you must have orthographic eyeballs. :-) Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:17:09 +0200 From: "Webmaster Jasta Boelcke" To: Subject: RE: RBII Value Line version not upgradable! Message-ID: Waaarrggghhhhh........ I did not know that! Shame over Sierra! But maybe you can still order the complete version from Chips 'n Bits ( http://www.cdmag.com/cgi-bin/order.cbi_home). I usually buy my games there. They have good prices and low shipping fees plus a reliable service. Gaston Graf Webmaster of the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" http://www.jastaboelcke.de > I bought a $4.88 version of RB II Saturday that rather shocked me > when I got it > home. The cd says > "Value Line edition, Not upgradable to Red Baron 3D." It doesn't have > multiplayer either. Or a printed manual! Doesn't mention any > of this on the box. Foiled again by the game companies! > > Bob > Sierra Scale Models > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:41:39 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Participation Not Required, was, Re: Vos [sic] Message-ID: <39A1BE33.40D57F97@earthlink.net> > Mistress Lorna wrote: > > > But sometimes a good flogging or spanking does wonders for the > > morale..... doesn't do anything for the morals though ;-) > > Au contrair! It keeps the morals..... flexible. > E. < Flexible? Naah. 'Pliable' is the word you want. And sting-y and welty! :-0 DB> Again, David, I am impressed by the extent of your knowledge and experience regarding sore bottoms. Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:38:22 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <001101c00bb8$6f229800$3f191b18@austin.rr.com> Great to here from you Pedro! I'm glad the move is under control. Welcome, Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Francisca e Pedro Soares To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 3:38 PM Subject: I'm back > Friends, > > I haven't touched plastic in many months now, but I'm finnally set in my new > house and yes, it's time to subscribe once again. I know I've lost a lot > during my absence from your company, and I was extremely disturbed to learn > that Bill had left us. Still I'm sure that he and Michel will always be a > part of The List and maybe, who knows, they have met out there somewhere... > > Well, all for now, and it's really great to be back with you Ladies and > Gents. > > > Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:15:14 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Mike's Albatros Message-ID: <006301c00bbd$48b01e40$010c56d1@default> As I was putting on the landing > gear, I knocked it to the floor where it broke for the 4th and final time! :-( Smashed beyond repair, Mike: My sincere condolances. BTDT. Bad part is there is nobody else to blame, good part is that you will be afforded plenty of opportunities to exact revenge on the purpetrator ;-) sp Who snapped the wing of his 1:72 AeroSkin Alb in two after applying the covering. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:17:34 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: DH2 cookup Message-ID: <019601c00bbd$9b86c880$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> Of course in another thread today this would qualify under let the beatings continue. PLEASE!!! After all I have a 1/48th AERO SKIN kit that can finally put me way over the edge! Tom S ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: DH2 cookup > I'm not sure how attractive a DH2 cook-up would be (I'm still not completely > sure of what you guys mean by that) - are there really that many nuts in the > group?? I'm developing arachnophobia just planning out the rigging lines and > calibres! > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:23:02 -0500 From: "Tom Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Bleriot XI, -2, -3 and BG. Message-ID: <01d401c00bbe$5eb6bd60$12330e18@okc1.ok.home.com> > Hope this is useful to someone. > > K-129 Well, it's a start. In my recent bash of OT book buying there's a pic of a sadly smashed Bleriot wit a 4 cyclnder, 8 sparkplug engine featuring a chain drive to the prop. Any clues to this Ble type and what was the engine? Tom S OKC If you aren't making waves, you aren't making headway! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:24:42 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mike's Albatros Message-ID: <200008212237.PAA23339@mail.rapidnet.net> Uhm. . I haven't destroyed any models in a few years. . but I did delete my SPAD VII master illustration and had to start all over again. . I've also used one profile as the basis for a second, only to forget to rename it and have overwritten a few of them ... luckily I have backups of all the profiles on Jaz or CD now. Bob ---------- >From: smperry@mindspring.com > Mike: > My sincere condolances. BTDT. Bad part is there is nobody else to blame, > good part is that you will be afforded plenty of opportunities to exact > revenge on the purpetrator ;-) > > sp > Who snapped the wing of his 1:72 AeroSkin Alb in two after applying the > covering. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2571 **********************