WWI Digest 2569 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Participation Not Required, was, Re: Vos [sic] by "Webmaster Jasta Boelcke" 2) RE: Kids and Models by "Webmaster Jasta Boelcke" 3) RE: Sorry, the Voss cowling again by "Webmaster Jasta Boelcke" 4) Updating subject lines was: Re: Policing Discussions, by smperry@mindspring.com 5) Re: Ortho, was, Re: Sorry, the Voss.... by David Fleming 6) Re: Kit for sale by David Fleming 7) Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again by David Fleming 8) Some thougthts on Voss, Ortho emulsions & the meaning of life..... by David Fleming 9) Re: Updating subject lines was: Re: Policing Discussions, by skarver@banet.net 10) Re: Voss Triplane Color by David Fleming 11) RE: New Kit Survey by "Matthew Bittner" 12) Re: Kit for sale by "Matthew Bittner" 13) "Shouting,," was, Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again by skarver@banet.net 14) Lafayette escadrille by "David Calhoun" 15) Re: Lafayette escadrille by "Matthew Bittner" 16) Re: Web site update by "Matthew Bittner" 17) Re: Lafayette escadrille by "Bob Pearson" 18) Sopwith Swallows etc./ was: Policing Discussions, Why? Voss, blah, blah, blah by "Michael Kendix" 19) Re: Voss; the thread from hell. by "Dale Sebring" 20) Re: Participation Not Required, was, Re: Vos [sic] by "Dale Sebring" 21) RE: Next from Spin Models by "Graham Hunter" 22) Re: DH2 cookup by Morg17ms@aol.com 23) RBII Value Line version not upgradable! by Robert.A.Norgren@census.gov ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:42:08 +0200 From: "Webmaster Jasta Boelcke" To: Subject: RE: Participation Not Required, was, Re: Vos [sic] Message-ID: Folks, being on this list since a few days only I find it really interesting to discuss such color questions with all of you. But I agree with those who are bored to tears to see the same topics popping up again and again. Perhaps I will feel the same in a while... But I am sure there will always be something new, worth to discuss. As for the many messages flooding my mailbox now... well, that's the dark face of the coin to be on a mailing list but in this case I simply pick those messages out I think that are interesting and I reply only to those. Like there are people who aren't interested into color discussions I am not interested into "my favorite kit survey" or similar. Everybody has to find his/her own topics of interest. Ain't that so? sincerly Gaston Graf Webmaster of the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" http://www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of S > Karver > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 5:32 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Participation Not Required, was, Re: Vos [sic] > > > There is nothing coercing folks who don't want to attend the > flogging to do > so, > Go have your fun, we will have ours. > Regards to all fun-loving modelers, floggers and nonflloggers alike, > Stef > > ---------- > > From: Dale Sebring > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Vos > > Date: Sunday, August 20, 2000 8:49 PM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dale Beamish" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 5:35 PM > > Subject: Re: Vos > > > > > > > > people should stop being so anal over a color that's been argued to > > death > > > >for years by all the experts with no real answer and just get on with > > > having >some fun modeling. > > > > > > As much as I HATE the Voss discussion again and again and again and > again > > > ... well you get the idea, I must agree with this post! > > > > > > >I think the horse has been flogged to death and the field is > > > > still not plowed. > > > > > > No doubt about it! > > > > > > >Let's just have some fun modeling > > > > > > That's what it's suppose to be about .... > > > Dale. > > > > > > > > Thank you Dale, I agree, some folks get way too uptight. > > Dale S. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:42:11 +0200 From: "Webmaster Jasta Boelcke" To: Subject: RE: Kids and Models Message-ID: David, this is one of the main advantages of PC games - they bring history to life if they are good and because kids love to play computer games they become interested into history. I started with plastic modeling at the age of eight years and since that time my interest in history grew quickly. First it was the tanks and fighters of WWII, then it was WW1... midage followed...the Romans... Napoleonic wars... Since there are 486 CPUs my interest into computers was wakened because I finally could play nice games with no need to put it all up on a table and clean up the place after playing. Today we have all the little soldiers, aircraft, ships or whatever in some sort of a glassbox on our desktop and the most exiting thing is that everything is animated. I play RBII since its release in 1997. Because I prefer to receive games as soon as they got released I had a nice manual delivered with it. It when games aren't new anymore that they are sold for very low prices, often as a CD only with an inlay booklet. The original manual is full of interesting pictures, flight instructions, tactics of airwar, beautiful color plates of the aircraft covered by the game... But I payed about 50 bucks for my game as it got released. After playing a campaign I decided to join an online squadron but because there was none that I liked (the US squadrons used to kitschy rules and there was no European squad available) I decided to found my own squad, based on a historical Jasta. So I founded online Jasta Boelcke... Getting involved more and more into this great game I realized the role playing effect of it because our pilots indentified themselfs more and more with their character pilot they played online together. We lived (and still live) the life of a cyber pilot... Because of the interest put in my online squad I decided to provide also historical information. At some point I had to decide if I will mix the historical information with the sim pages or if I shall separate them so I decided to separate because I wanted my website to be taken as a serious source of historical accurate information by the Internet community. Nobody would believe informations taken from a gamers website. Now interest in RBII vanished and we are only a handful of players in my squad but still we play and it are always the same people - the hard core - you see online. Fortunately there aren't many funspoiling youngsters because they soon realize that they have no chance against the old veterans. Youngsters tend to play bang-away stile, like the play 3D shooters, and rarely accept any tactics. But without application of tactics they soon are lost and feel frustrated about this great game. Believe it or not but Boelckes Dicta is fully applicable in this great sim. The only thing that I am missing are explosions of aircraft. They usually start burning or greak up in the air. Other games that I play are the Command & Conquer realtime stratgegie games, the wonderful Age of Empires I+II, MS Combat Sim, Unreal Tournament (3D shooter) and Baldurs Gate (RPG)... Now waiting impatiently for B17 II which will allow to fly online as a whole crew. Just imagine the role playing effect again... Rittmeister Otto Graf von Burberg was lucky enough to survive the Great War... because of the riots in Germany in the early twentiess he decided to emigrate to the USA... his son now returns back to Germany to bomb the Nazis out of his vathers country... stuff enough to write a book about ;o). Gaston Graf aka J2B_v_Burberg_CO Webmaster of the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 8:03 PM > Subject: Re: Kids and Models > > > > In a message dated 00-08-17 19:36:24 EDT, you write: > > > > << I guess I am part of the 'WW1 Conspiracy,' >> > > > > What is this "conspiracy." > > > > It was the PC flight sim Red Baron that got me interested in World War > One. > > This was years ago when I was younger. Red Baron 2 is out, > haven't played > it. > > > > That game was the greatest. I spent many hours flying Fokker E.3s and > type > > Ns on the computer. You can even attack Zeps, Gothas and 0/400s. Plus > lots > > of other stuff. > > > > Just a thought if you want to interest the young folks. RB1 came with a > huge > > manual, most of which was history. > > > > K-129 > > My copy of RB2 had no manual, but is the coolest game I own! The > graphics, > such as individual pilot markings and loz on the wings of German planes is > too much! And the way that you can hear things like aircrew sceaming as > they jump from a burning plane, or how they yelp when you shoot > 'em. Also, > when you strafe enemy troops they scream, and when you fly low over your > troops, they cheer at you! Too Cool!! > > > DB > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:42:19 +0200 From: "Webmaster Jasta Boelcke" To: Subject: RE: Sorry, the Voss cowling again Message-ID: Hi Dave, > Hey Gaston, welcome to the wacky house - poor guy! LOL - nobody warned me BEFORE subscribing to this list - now I'm lost :o). > > Yes, the pics that i have clearly show that at an early time, > F.1 103/17 > had an Axial prop and Oberursel engine. At some time, it was apparently > replaced. Extra maintainence time for painting while the cowl is > off? Yes? > And is it NOT TOTALLY UNCONCEIVABLE that the aircraft was flown > by Voss in a > delivery scheme for some time before it got painted? I mean, IS IT NOT > TOTALLY INCONCEIVABLE THAT EVERYBODY IS CORRECT, and that we all > are getting > perodical differences hanging us up? That's what I wanted to express at the end of the reply that I wrote to Paul Howards posting! To me the cowling was olive like it is shown on the KNOWN pics but there is no evidence that it was olive for the whole life of F1 103/17 and may indeed have been repainted shortly before Voss's last sortie. It's up to everybody to decide what color he wants to paint it. To me the best idea still is to do a beautiful diorama with mechanics working on Voss' triplane, one painting the cowling yellow. I think that's what I will do if I will ever build Voss' aircraft. Yesterday I wrote a mail to Kodak tech support to ask them about orthochromate films. I wonder if they will respond or not. Also Stefen Karver is currently preparing information about the usage of such films in that period of time which I will post to the discussion page as soon as he mailed it to me. As for the rest I truly enjoy it to be on this crazy list ;o). greetings to all Gaston Graf Webmaster of the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" http://www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 05:43:49 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Updating subject lines was: Re: Policing Discussions, Message-ID: <000d01c00b54$50016140$600256d1@default> As this list grows the range of OT interests expands as well. Not everything OT is interesting to all. Additionally many threads branch way off the original subject line. People not interested in the original subject often miss stuff they are interested in as the threads change faster than the subject lines. It has been mentioned before and I will bring it up again, if you take a thread in a different direction, please change the subject line such as I did on this post. It takes only a second and it lets others know that the thread has diverged from the original discussion. This helps all round as it benefits others who may not have cared much about the original as well as those intent on pursuing the original subject. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:48:12 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ortho, was, Re: Sorry, the Voss.... Message-ID: <39A0FADC.AAD48BB1@dial.pipex.com> S Karver wrote: > > From: David Fleming > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again > > Date: Friday, August 18, 2000 6:54 PM > > > > > Sorry Stef, I was just kidding around ! > > There are doubtless some Dicta Ira folks on the List who, perhaps less > knowledgeable than you, > who would use your earlier post to paint the face blue because they like it > that way, and > justify their choice by your "suggestion." > I accept my slapondewrists with honour, Sir !! > > As a keen (amatuer) B+W photographer in > > my youth, I'm aware of the colour sensitivity of ortho as opposed to pan > film. > > I just find the dispute over Voss' cowl amusing ! That said,dark blue > does give > > a 'cold' tone on ortho (Look at many 30s RAF planes). > > Of course you mean 'cold' in the loosest sense possible, since > black-and-white film doesn't > reproduce color temperature as such. Yeah, wrong choice of word ! > > However, why go to the '30s? The evidence that blue doesn't go to white on > ortho > is in front of our eyes in every OT French, British, and American roundel > and rudder flash > you see. I chose 30s RAF as the blue always seemed particularly pale in those (No doubt due to the emulsions used). Apologies for anyone I've upset etc. David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:06:46 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kit for sale Message-ID: <39A0FF36.59BD0211@dial.pipex.com> Matthew Bittner wrote: > I have a Formaplane 1/72nd Morane-Saulnier Type AI I would like to sell > for $5 - basically the cost of postage. If anyone is interested, > please contact me off list. > > Plus, if I can find it, I also have a Merlin MoS Type AI I would be > willing to offload for the same price. > > Matt Bittner Matt - how can I sell mine on ebay as 'L@@K!!!!! VERY RARE EARLY VACFORM' 'HUGE RESERVE' when you are driving the market down !! :¬) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:09:10 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again Message-ID: <39A0FFC5.B7C55177@dial.pipex.com> DAVID BURKE wrote: > Yes, the pics that i have clearly show that at an early time, F.1 103/17 > had an Axial prop and Oberursel engine. At some time, it was apparently > replaced. Extra maintainence time for painting while the cowl is off? Yes? > And is it NOT TOTALLY UNCONCEIVABLE that the aircraft was flown by Voss in a > delivery scheme for some time before it got painted? I mean, IS IT NOT > TOTALLY INCONCEIVABLE THAT EVERYBODY IS CORRECT, and that we all are getting > perodical differences hanging us up? > > Think about it. > > DB THAT I like !! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:40:13 +0100 From: David Fleming To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Some thougthts on Voss, Ortho emulsions & the meaning of life..... Message-ID: <39A1070D.A63DD52D@dial.pipex.com> Phew !! Go away for a couple of days & Colour wars III breaks out !! At the risk of being accused of being a necrophiliac sado-masochistic beastialist, I would like to make a few observations on the above (As it may have been my joke which started all this ...) 1) Where did the 'Yellow' description come from in the first place ? 2) The photos Stef and Gaston posted could be used to prove or disprove both (or all three) theories. One problem with interpreting old photos is that most of us are unfamiliar with the emulsions used. Anyone who has played around with their own D+P on B+W will know that emulsions on negatives and prints react differently, both on exposure and processing, resulting in different contrasts of ostensibly the same scene. Even today, different batches of the same product can have different characteristics. Adjusting the contrast on a computer only adjusts the contrasts created by the printer, and takes no account of burning or dodging. Note also that I use the term emulsion rather than film - chances are many of these could originally have been taken on glass plate negatives (And the prints may be contact rather than enlarged !) 3) the cowl being a different shade than the fuselage is not necessarily an indicator of a different colour - a (painted) metal cowl could have been polished by the mechanics, resulting in a different shade. (Different reflectivity) 4) Stef's comment re yellows on ortho is valid - they are not always 'dark' (I believe this is due to how much 'red/orange' is in the yellow, ortho being unsensitive in this area of the spectrum) My Cook up Albatros, G56, is described as having a 'bright' yellow' spinner, yet it just shows as a mid grey on most photos. 5) Dave's photo of the IWM triplane rudder proves one thing - white will stand out on yellow without a border. (At least one of the photos of Voss' triplane shows a light rudder with the cross outlined in white. CDL ?) IMHO, until someone can find a proven source which proves one way or another, both sides of this argument can make reasonable interpretations to support their point. On of our newer members said he was an archaeologist - maybe if we had the co-ordinates the plane went down, we could do a dig for pieces of yellow painted metal............. :-)) While some may feel this has been the flogging mentioned above, at least one positive has come out of it - the subject has intrigued me enough to make me want to model this aircraft, and you'd never have got me to make a non captured German plane before !! (At least it had a 'g' number - G72) Dicta Ira ! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:46:58 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: Re: Updating subject lines was: Re: Policing Discussions, Message-ID: <004801c00b5d$23fcad80$f5fe6520@stephen> Monday, August 21, 2000 5:47 AM, sp posted > Additionally many threads branch way off the original subject line. People > not interested in the original subject often miss stuff they are interested > in as the threads change faster than the subject lines. And conversely, where interesting threads turn otherwise. I second the motion. Stef ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:02:14 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voss Triplane Color Message-ID: <39A10C36.D37F4481@dial.pipex.com> Lyle Lamboley wrote: > Yet another site concerned with this unbelievably talked-about > Fokker...Udet's D.VII may actually elicit more chit-chat about its > appearance. > http://blindkat.tripod.com/voss/color.html The writing on this looked like something I'd seen recently, so I dug out one of my few copies of Winsock from my non-OT period (July/ August 1996 Vol 12/4), which I'd bought because of some very nice large scale models by someone called Robert Karr on the cover ...). This has an article on the discredited Rodeny Gerrard fabric collection, including a photo of one 'sample' from it (A Roland sample). The handwriting on this was what I thought I recognised. For those with the article, compare the following (WS is the magazine article) The word 'dope', and in particular how the 'p' goes into the 'e' The capital 'S' in Scout (WS) and 'Saunt' in the Intelligence report. The word 'wings' The word 'surfaces', and in particularly the way the 'r' leads into the 'f'. There are other similarities, including the overall 'feel'. Now, I'm not a qualified handwriting expert, but professionally I've examined a lot of documents to compare handwriting, and if I was investigating this , I would be putting it to an expert with a strong feeling that these were from the same hand. IMHO, the intelligence report looks like it may be one of Mr Gerrard's samples, and if so, it cannot be relied upon. What do others think ? David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:15:21 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: New Kit Survey Message-ID: <200008211114.EAA06510@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:45:42 -0400 (EDT), Todd Hayes wrote: > Yeah. w3.inshop.cz/vamp or you can find a direct > link on the "internet Modeler" contents page. If you > haven't shopped before with Lubos Vinar, the owner, > you're in for a real treat. Awesome selection, > awesome prices! Don't forget (they always do ;-) there's a link to VAMPS from the WW1 site. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:23:59 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Kit for sale Message-ID: <200008211123.EAA15058@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:48:27 -0400 (EDT), David Fleming wrote: > Matt - how can I sell mine on ebay as 'L@@K!!!!! VERY RARE EARLY VACFORM' > 'HUGE RESERVE' when you are driving the market down !! > > :ª) Gee...ya figured me out. While ebay has its uses, I prefer to offer my on topic sales to this list first. Funny thing, too. The same person that used my guidelines for the Caudron G.2 by Airkit (Veterans 72) did a "cut and paste" for the Airkit (Veterans 72) Fokker D.V. I told him to take my name and guidelines off that sale, because that kit is totally inaccurate, due to an error on Rimell's part. The seller asked if I wanted him to include that instead (about it being inaccurate) and I told him I wouldn't want to be blamed for the lack of his sale. At least at that time. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:14:39 -0400 From: skarver@banet.net To: Subject: "Shouting,," was, Re: Sorry, the Voss cowling again Message-ID: <005e01c00b61$01341e60$f5fe6520@stephen> David Fleming August 21, 2000 6:49 AM, yelled back > THAT I like !! to DAVID BURKE's earlier shouting: > > Yes, the pics that i have clearly show that at an early time, F.1 103/17 > > had an Axial prop and Oberursel engine. At some time, it was apparently > > replaced. Extra maintainence time for painting while the cowl is off? Yes? > > And is it NOT TOTALLY UNCONCEIVABLE that the aircraft was flown by Voss in a > > delivery scheme for some time before it got painted? I mean, IS IT NOT > > TOTALLY INCONCEIVABLE THAT EVERYBODY IS CORRECT, and that we all are getting > > perodical differences hanging us up? I, for one, can do without the cyber-decibels, especially when they result in double negatives--ouch. But yes to the second of David's boisterous queries. Everyone may well be right. However, the question of the moment seems to be who is right about what when. In my view it is worth discussing, and the process is likely to bring a new way of looking at this problem. As in civil law cases, incontrovertibility is not required. A preponderance of evidence one way or the other will be a satisfactory outcome ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:53:50 -0700 From: "David Calhoun" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Lafayette escadrille Message-ID: <00b101c00b7f$9f67b560$d7093ccc@oemcomputer> Hi all, This weekend I noticed 2 diff questions about Lafayette Escadrille aircraft. 1. Bob Pearson asked for photos of Lufbery's Spad 7 1777. According to Glen Merril's book (included in the Americal/Gryphon Lafayette Escadrille decal sheets) 1777 was flown by Didier Masson and was marked with swastikas. Lufbery flew SPAD 7 156 and it was marked with the same coup marks (3 horizontal bars) as on his Nieuport 17. (not to say that he may have flown Masson's aircraft at a later date). Since Lufbery had such an early SPAD, it was still marked with a Seminole not the later Sioux. 2. N.17 1944 was Lufbery's, marked with 3 coup marks (in red, not black) and armed with both Lewis & Vickers. Soubrain's plane was n. 1977 and had a red band with thin blue edge, S was in red. Carried Lewis & Vickers. It is interesting to note that the Lafayette used red for most of the markings that have been shown on commercial decal sheets as black. The French avoided black markings, thinking they could be confused for iron crosses at a distance by troops on the ground. Dave Calhoun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:59:21 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Lafayette escadrille Message-ID: <200008211158.EAA10716@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:54:05 -0400 (EDT), David Calhoun wrote: > 1. Bob Pearson asked for photos of Lufbery's Spad 7 1777. According to > Glen Merril's book (included in the Americal/Gryphon Lafayette Escadrille > decal sheets) 1777 was flown by Didier Masson and was marked with swastikas. > Lufbery flew SPAD 7 156 and it was marked with the same coup marks (3 > horizontal bars) as on his Nieuport 17. (not to say that he may have flown > Masson's aircraft at a later date). Since Lufbery had such an early SPAD, > it was still marked with a Seminole not the later Sioux. We actually found out that even though S.1777 was credited to Masson - and in his markings - Lufberry flew it more. Extremely interesting. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:00:58 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Web site update Message-ID: <200008211200.FAA12659@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:09:46 -0400 (EDT), Dennis Ugulano wrote: > After many hours of typing code, compressing photos and screaming, > the web site has been update. Nice job, all around, Dennis! The Albatros D.IV looks super as well. Keep up the great work! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 05:13:36 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lafayette escadrille Message-ID: <200008211225.FAA04578@mail.rapidnet.net> David says ... > 1. Bob Pearson asked for photos of Lufbery's Spad 7 1777. According to > Glen Merril's book (included in the Americal/Gryphon Lafayette Escadrille > decal sheets) 1777 was flown by Didier Masson and was marked with swastikas. Part of the information packet I got from Howard Fisher to do the illustrations of 1777 includes the following from Alan Toelle. .. "it arrived at SPA.124 on 28 June, Masson flew it 22 times last being on 1 October. Thus it was 'his' machine and the swastika his marking. . Marr flew it 10 times in July/August. . in September it was flown three times by Masson, Rouge and Jones .. Lufbery flew it three times in August. From 5 October until 7 December he flew it a further 33 times .. followed by Thaw eight times, it was last flown by Bridgeman on 19 December Interestingly .. Lufbery flew XIII 1844 three times BEFORE taking 1777 as his personal aircraft .. perhaps he liked the Type VII better." I'll just have to make a note on my copy that although flown by Lufbery, it carried Masson's earlier markings. Bob (who has just finished doing another 7 Pfalz profiles - only three left to do - as well as the aforementioned SPAD tonight.. .. methinks it is about bedtime now) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:47:20 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Sopwith Swallows etc./ was: Policing Discussions, Why? Voss, blah, blah, blah Message-ID: >From: Ernest Thomas SKarver says... > >>There are plenty of threads I have no interest in, whether it is >>Sopwith >>Swallows or Mesopotamian Bristols. > E. replies... >You and everybody else in this group. > Not quite the case. I am interested in both these aeroplanes. Has anyone noticed that on the VAMP site, RVHP has a Sopwith Swallow it is expecting to produce. 1/72nd scale still lacks a really good Bristol F.2B, although I like the Airfix kit but not because of its accuracy or high quality. Michael ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:26:08 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Voss; the thread from hell. Message-ID: <002b01c00b73$5ee9d060$5cb58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Thomas" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 9:27 PM Subject: Voss; the thread from hell. > My fellow Stringbag Modeling Brethren and Sisthren, > > Being perhaps the king of Dicta Ira modeling, and most definitely the > king of "that looks right to me" modeling, I have no opinion either way > on the color of Voss's cowl. I grew up thinking it was green because > that's what color it was on the box top for the 1/28 Revell kit. BUt > since I've been on this list I've learned of the yellow theory and I > think a streaky Dr1 with a yellow cowl would look fab. Don't know about > the white face on a yellow cowl, but hey! I may just have to give it a > try some day. > But that's just a qualifying statement and isn't real important. > I'm just writing to say that I've seen this thread come up christ's nose > how many times. But I must say, with all these new folks in the debate, > I'mm seeing some new ideas and angles. At least I think I am. > And that's pretty cool. > However, it seems to be one of those eternal questions like "why are we > here?", or "how do we get get out of here?". It may never be answered. > That being the case, could we give it a rest for a while? I must've > deleted two hundred posts on this thread already. I'm not even reading > them anymore.(so don't slip in any announcments about new 1/48 OT kits > coming out while posting under the Voss thread, ok?) > > Listen, all you guys in the green party, you'll never convert the devout > follower of yellow. And likewise for the yellows converting the devout > greens. As for the rest of us that don't care, we don't care. We're > gonna paint our Voss cowls green and yellow and plaid and whatever other > colors look good to us. > (soap box floating away in flood from a much needed wrath of god type > storm) > E. > Ernest, I believe that's Christ w/ a capital C, and God w/ a Capital G.....after all we don't want to ofend Those who put us "here" and will also allow us the leave sometime. I also agree with you 100% on this Voss thing and only opened this message because it was from you and enjoy your imput very much and the thread from hell title got my attention. Thanks much Dale S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:30:19 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Participation Not Required, was, Re: Vos [sic] Message-ID: <003301c00b73$f48e87a0$5cb58dd0@main> ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Karver" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 9:32 PM Subject: Participation Not Required, was, Re: Vos [sic] > There is nothing coercing folks who don't want to attend the flogging to do > so, > Go have your fun, we will have ours. > Regards to all fun-loving modelers, floggers and nonflloggers alike, > Stef > I guess curiosity killed the cat...so I usually take a peek once in awhile...fellow fun-loving modeler. Dale S. > ---------- > > From: Dale Sebring > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Vos > > Date: Sunday, August 20, 2000 8:49 PM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dale Beamish" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 5:35 PM > > Subject: Re: Vos > > > > > > > > people should stop being so anal over a color that's been argued to > > death > > > >for years by all the experts with no real answer and just get on with > > > having >some fun modeling. > > > > > > As much as I HATE the Voss discussion again and again and again and > again > > > ... well you get the idea, I must agree with this post! > > > > > > >I think the horse has been flogged to death and the field is > > > > still not plowed. > > > > > > No doubt about it! > > > > > > >Let's just have some fun modeling > > > > > > That's what it's suppose to be about .... > > > Dale. > > > > > > > > Thank you Dale, I agree, some folks get way too uptight. > > Dale S. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:48:48 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Next from Spin Models Message-ID: <000001c00b76$891253a0$fa0101c0@grahamh> Okay, there's the Bristol M1c, Ansaldo, Spad "thingie"... Whats #4? Graham H. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Albatrosdv@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 02:21 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Next from Spin Models Just heard that, this fall, the fifth kit from Spin will be out: a 1/48 Morane-Saulnier AI. I can hear the cheers already. TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:46:32 EDT From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: DH2 cookup Message-ID: I'm not sure how attractive a DH2 cook-up would be (I'm still not completely sure of what you guys mean by that) - are there really that many nuts in the group?? I'm developing arachnophobia just planning out the rigging lines and calibres! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:36:03 -0400 From: Robert.A.Norgren@census.gov To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RBII Value Line version not upgradable! Message-ID: <85256942.004FDB19.00@it008nthqln.tco.census.gov> I bought a $4.88 version of RB II Saturday that rather shocked me when I got it home. The cd says "Value Line edition, Not upgradable to Red Baron 3D." It doesn't have multiplayer either. Or a printed manual! Doesn't mention any of this on the box. Foiled again by the game companies! Bob Sierra Scale Models >Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:00:01 -0700 >From: "Mike Franklin" >To: >Subject: Thanks >Message-ID: <001901c00a4a$5c9ca000$6aecfc9e@picker> >Thank you to the person who posted about the Red Baron 3D update available >on the Sierra Web Site. It takes a while to download but the results are >well worth the effort. 11.3Megs took my computer 38 minutes. Sierra has >made the upgrade available in 1.3Meg increments for those who have trouble >downloading very large files. >The Red Baron 3D is much more fun to fly now, and it looks a lot better. >Anyone who needs more specific directions are welcome to contact me direct >and I'll help you as much as I can. >Mike Franklin >Bellingham, WA USA ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2569 **********************