WWI Digest 2549 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: New Kit Survey by Lee Mensinger 2) Re: New Kit Survey by "P. Howard" 3) Re: New Kit Survey by Ernest Thomas 4) RE: Eduard announcement by Ivan Subrt 5) Re: New Kit Survey by "P. Howard" 6) Re: New Kit Survey by Lee Mensinger 7) Re: Bill Bacon award by DavidL1217@aol.com 8) Re: New Kit Survey by "Bob Pearson" 9) Re: New Kit Survey by "P. Howard" 10) Re: New Kit Survey by "P. Howard" 11) Re: Speak of the Devil.... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 12) Re: Albatros Cookup and Disenfranchisement by Albatrosdv@aol.com 13) Re: One person's view..... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 14) Re: Speak of the Devil.... by MAnde72343@aol.com 15) Re: Speak of the Devil.... by MAnde72343@aol.com 16) Re: Eduard announcement by David Fleming 17) RE: David's Breguet, by David Solosy 18) RE: Eduard announcement by "Matthew Bittner" 19) Re: Eduard announcement by "Matthew Bittner" 20) SV: Miscellaneous Thoughts on IPMS Regionals by "Neil Crawford" 21) Re; One person's view... by "Sandy Adam" 22) RE: New Kit Survey by "dfernet0" 23) RE: Another person's view wasRe: One person's view..... by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:39:13 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Kit Survey Message-ID: <399A1AF1.CB4D3660@x25.net> Vote for 1/32nd. Not enough difference to warrant a 1/28th and there are enough 1/32nd to make a good display. Lee M. "P. Howard" wrote: > Hi All, > > I've been asked by a friend to get a feel for how a new large scale (1/28th > or 1/32) kit would fare in the WWI modeling arena. He hasn't settled on a > subject, but he wants to do the kit right, so good drawings are really a > necessity. At this point in time, he is looking at British planes very > closely, but until he has a really definitive set of plans, nothing is set > in stone. > > Modelers constantly complain that nobody asks our opinion (especially me), > so if you are interested in a mostly resin large scale kit, here is your > chance to sound off. If you post to the list with a reply, please send a > copy to me at phoward@abilene.com so that I can pass the results on to my > friend. > > Since I'm posting this to the list, I guess I get to post my pick first: > > 1/28 or 1/32 SE5a (No real scale preference) > > Paul H ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:45:53 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: New Kit Survey Message-ID: <01a201c0073c$dcb2a020$899d8ece@phoward> Lee, Do you have an aircraft you prefer to see in 1/32 scale? I'm not a big scale person normally, but aren't there four OT kits in 1/28 scale compared to two in 1/32? I'm probably wrong, but I sure thought that was the count. Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Lee Mensinger To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:37 PM Subject: Re: New Kit Survey >Vote for 1/32nd. Not enough difference to warrant a 1/28th and there are >enough 1/32nd to make a good display. > >Lee M. > >"P. Howard" wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I've been asked by a friend to get a feel for how a new large scale (1/28th >> or 1/32) kit would fare in the WWI modeling arena. He hasn't settled on a >> subject, but he wants to do the kit right, so good drawings are really a >> necessity. At this point in time, he is looking at British planes very >> closely, but until he has a really definitive set of plans, nothing is set >> in stone. >> >> Modelers constantly complain that nobody asks our opinion (especially me), >> so if you are interested in a mostly resin large scale kit, here is your >> chance to sound off. If you post to the list with a reply, please send a >> copy to me at phoward@abilene.com so that I can pass the results on to my >> friend. >> >> Since I'm posting this to the list, I guess I get to post my pick first: >> >> 1/28 or 1/32 SE5a (No real scale preference) >> >> Paul H > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:57:47 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Kit Survey Message-ID: <399A1F4B.56BCAA5B@bellsouth.net> "P. Howard" wrote: > >aren't there four OT kits in 1/28 > scale compared to two in 1/32? I'm probably wrong, but I sure thought that > was the count. That was it last time I counted. I heard a rumor about a 1/32 Spad that's supposed to be coming out, but I've seen hide, nor hair of it yet. So I guess tell your friend, No hairy Spads. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:00:17 +0200 From: Ivan Subrt To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduard announcement Message-ID: <01C0074F.CAC6A240@plzena-25.vol.cz> Well, following is the exact translation of my email exchange with Jana Sulcova on Aug 4-5, 2000. Me: "I'm especially interested in what you are preparing in the field of WWI aircraft model kits in 1/72 scale - if this is not too secret. I for one would like to see a R.A.F. S.E.5/S.E.5a." J.S.: "In 1/72 we plan: indeed a S.E.5 (a) FOCKER E.III FOCKER E.IV Hanriot HD 1 and HD2 CAMEL (sic)" Matt, did you specifically ask for a Fokker D.VII? FWIW Cheers! Ivan Subrt http://www.czechia.com/silverbird "The air is our sea." Czech proverb ---------- Od: Matt Bittner[SMTP:tbittners@sprintmail.com] Odesláno: 15. srpna 2000 14:06 Komu: Multiple recipients of list Pøedmìt: Eduard announcement This from Hyperscale: "Jana Sulcova of Eduard tells me that they plan to do a Fokker DVII in both 1/48 and The One True Scale (that's 1/72) "but not before next year"." What great news!! However, I for one hope it doesn't come out until Eduard scales everything else they have come out with into 1/72nd... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:13:36 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: New Kit Survey Message-ID: <01ad01c00740$bf1faf40$899d8ece@phoward> Roger that E., All SPADs must be of the shaven variety... Yep, I think I've got it. Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:03 AM Subject: Re: New Kit Survey > > >"P. Howard" wrote: >> >>aren't there four OT kits in 1/28 >> scale compared to two in 1/32? I'm probably wrong, but I sure thought that >> was the count. > >That was it last time I counted. I heard a rumor about a 1/32 Spad >that's supposed to be coming out, but I've seen hide, nor hair of it >yet. >So I guess tell your friend, No hairy Spads. >E. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:25:33 -0500 From: Lee Mensinger To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, lemen@x25.net Subject: Re: New Kit Survey Message-ID: <399A25CC.1A4B55D2@x25.net> That is probably allthere is in OT but there are far more all together and 1/28th is a bit big for a display. Considering all the OT aircraft not done in 1/32 there is a lot of room . Several themes come to mind and as usual someone will want "Aces" Some may even want, "Who shot down the Aces". A series of Nieuports would break Matt's 1/72nd heart but please a lot of other people. The field is wide open. I like all of them including the Me thingies. I was born with an airplane in my head and it hasn't gone away yet. Lee M "P. Howard" wrote: > Lee, > Do you have an aircraft you prefer to see in 1/32 scale? > I'm not a big scale person normally, but aren't there four OT kits in 1/28 > scale compared to two in 1/32? I'm probably wrong, but I sure thought that > was the count. > > Paul H > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Mensinger > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:37 PM > Subject: Re: New Kit Survey > > >Vote for 1/32nd. Not enough difference to warrant a 1/28th and there are > >enough 1/32nd to make a good display. > > > >Lee M. > > > >"P. Howard" wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I've been asked by a friend to get a feel for how a new large scale > (1/28th > >> or 1/32) kit would fare in the WWI modeling arena. He hasn't settled on > a > >> subject, but he wants to do the kit right, so good drawings are really a > >> necessity. At this point in time, he is looking at British planes very > >> closely, but until he has a really definitive set of plans, nothing is > set > >> in stone. > >> > >> Modelers constantly complain that nobody asks our opinion (especially > me), > >> so if you are interested in a mostly resin large scale kit, here is your > >> chance to sound off. If you post to the list with a reply, please send a > >> copy to me at phoward@abilene.com so that I can pass the results on to my > >> friend. > >> > >> Since I'm posting this to the list, I guess I get to post my pick first: > >> > >> 1/28 or 1/32 SE5a (No real scale preference) > >> > >> Paul H > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:23:27 EDT From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bill Bacon award Message-ID: I just found out about Bill's passing tonight as I was away last week. I remember the joy we had at the last evening's dinner party in Pensacola. It was a delightful evening and it is now a more poignant memory. My thoughts and prayers go out to his wife Pat. I would like to suggest that maybe we can add a small section to the web page devoted to Bill. He personified a lot of the good that we should strive for as modelers, historians and individuals. My idea would include a picture, a biography, photos of any of his models and examples of his wit and wisdom as posted on this list. I think that this sort of web memorial would be very fitting. Anyone have photos from that restaurant in Pensacola? Regards, David Layton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:24:40 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Kit Survey Message-ID: <200008160536.WAA02119@mail.rapidnet.net> There are accessories in 1/32 and 1/35 .. ie a 1908 RR Silver Ghost, doubledecker bus, Mk.IV, FT-17, Whippet .. all scream out DIORAMA. .. And there are vacform 1/32 kits .. I have the TM Sopwith Triplane and someday i will be a nice piece at the centre of my collection. I vote for a 1/32 SE5a Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:31:49 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: New Kit Survey Message-ID: <01b801c00743$47b32560$899d8ece@phoward> Speaking of Nieuports, the Bebe was mentioned in the same conversation, along with the Sopwith Pup, Triplane, Snipe, Albatros D.V, Fokker D.VII, DH2, etc. All we need as a group need to do is pass on what we'd like to see. He's excited about the idea of doing WWI stuff, not just trying to make a profit.(though that would be nice) Cheers, Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Lee Mensinger To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:20 AM Subject: Re: New Kit Survey >That is probably allthere is in OT but there are far more all together and >1/28th is a bit big for a display. Considering all the OT aircraft not done in >1/32 there is a lot of room . > >Several themes come to mind and as usual someone will want "Aces" Some may even >want, "Who shot down the Aces". A series of Nieuports would break Matt's 1/72nd >heart but please a lot of other people. The field is wide open. > >I like all of them including the Me thingies. I was born with an airplane in my >head and it hasn't gone away yet. > >Lee M > >"P. Howard" wrote: > >> Lee, >> Do you have an aircraft you prefer to see in 1/32 scale? >> I'm not a big scale person normally, but aren't there four OT kits in 1/28 >> scale compared to two in 1/32? I'm probably wrong, but I sure thought that >> was the count. >> >> Paul H >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lee Mensinger >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:37 PM >> Subject: Re: New Kit Survey >> >> >Vote for 1/32nd. Not enough difference to warrant a 1/28th and there are >> >enough 1/32nd to make a good display. >> > >> >Lee M. >> > >> >"P. Howard" wrote: >> > >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I've been asked by a friend to get a feel for how a new large scale >> (1/28th >> >> or 1/32) kit would fare in the WWI modeling arena. He hasn't settled on >> a >> >> subject, but he wants to do the kit right, so good drawings are really a >> >> necessity. At this point in time, he is looking at British planes very >> >> closely, but until he has a really definitive set of plans, nothing is >> set >> >> in stone. >> >> >> >> Modelers constantly complain that nobody asks our opinion (especially >> me), >> >> so if you are interested in a mostly resin large scale kit, here is your >> >> chance to sound off. If you post to the list with a reply, please send a >> >> copy to me at phoward@abilene.com so that I can pass the results on to my >> >> friend. >> >> >> >> Since I'm posting this to the list, I guess I get to post my pick first: >> >> >> >> 1/28 or 1/32 SE5a (No real scale preference) >> >> >> >> Paul H >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:41:10 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: New Kit Survey Message-ID: <01c601c00744$95ebc100$899d8ece@phoward> Bob, Excellent points. I've got the vote/messages folder started and the ticker going. Right now though, I hear the Siren song of my pillow... Cheers Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:34 AM Subject: Re: New Kit Survey >There are accessories in 1/32 and 1/35 .. ie a 1908 RR Silver Ghost, >doubledecker bus, Mk.IV, FT-17, Whippet .. all scream out DIORAMA. .. > >And there are vacform 1/32 kits .. I have the TM Sopwith Triplane and >someday i will be a nice piece at the centre of my collection. > >I vote for a 1/32 SE5a > >Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:12:52 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speak of the Devil.... Message-ID: In a message dated 8/15/00 10:59:13 PM EST, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: << Gann was the best aviation writer of his generation, >> Ernie Gann is comparable to only one other aviation writer: Saint Ex. He began flying in the mid-30s. His account of flying through a thunderstorm in 1938 in a DC-3, with the rain coming *through* every non-tightened-down thing in the cockpit is something perhaps you can only appreciate if you ever had a night where ATC routed you through a squall line over the Gorman VOR enroute Burbank-Sacramento, and all of a sudden the VSI goes off the scale up, then off the scale down, then all the gyros tumble, and you're in a V-tailed doctor-killer with the throw-over yoke, and the guy in the right seat is a 25,000+ hr ex-SAC pilot and you look over at him and know there's no time to throw the yoke over, and you only passed your IFR three weeks ago, and you gotta get out of it. The entire event from entry to pullout 100' AGL 20 miles SSE of Bakersfield took less than 3 minutes, but I know in my soul it was 3 hours; Gann's story is exactly that. As I recall, the title is "One Night Outside of Albuquerque" (tho that could have been one of the many, many wonderful articles he wrote for "Flying " Magazine that made that a must-read for pilots 20 years ago - not like it is today). Gann has written all kinds of great stuff, several of which got turned into good movies. Basically - like Saint Ex - if it has his name on it, get it and read it. Another guy worth reading is Richard Bach. Particularly "A Stranger To The Ground," the story of a flight from England to France in bad weather in 1961, flying an F-84F. I would also recommend highly his collection of short pieces, "Biplane," particularly "That Old Crate," which has a description of flying in a biplane just at "magic hour" which is the best description of the pure unadulterated joy of flying/I feel sorry forever for groundpounders ever written, and "Flying Through Banning Pass," a story of delivering an old biplane from Illinois to Los Angeles, that only could fly 15mph faster than the winds through Banning Pass (think Saint Ex and the Patagonian winds). Also his book"Nothing By Chance," his story of a group of guys trying to find out in 1960s America if you could survive as a "barnstomer" the way they did in the 20s - it was made into a very nice documentary; if you can find it it's very watchable. This is all pre-"Jonathan Livingston Seagull," which is still - despite all the 70s hoo-hah - the best account of pure "flying" you can find. Tom Cleaver (who took a picture of the reluctant messiah's Travelaire and has it on his site) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:26:58 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros Cookup and Disenfranchisement Message-ID: In a message dated 8/15/00 11:19:07 PM EST, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << I really hate continuing this thread, but I just want to make it clear. I'm not asking Tom to stop giving his blunt opinions of kits. I really do appreciate them. He's kinda like Rex Reed. He don't like much, but what he does like is pretty good stuff. >> Thanks, E. Your good opinion matters. Folks, as Merrill Anderson pointed out, it's just as difficult to make something bad as it is to make something good (tell me! I have been around more movies that started good and....) The proliferation of crap (and not just in models) pisses me off because it is not that hard to not do it, and - in my work in both the movies and the model business - I have seen projects that were *good* lose out to the crap. The only vote any of us have about good vs. crap - in any medium you care to mention - is our dollars. It's what I mean when I say there is nothing like seeing a movie with the real critics, "the hot bodies." Everyone in Hollywood knows this, which is why most of them are so afraid to do it. To me, going to a crap movie or buying a crap model (especially when the advertising horswoggled me into believing otherwise) is the equivalent of a robbery, only the thief didn't stick a gun in your face and say "Up against the wall, mothersticker, this is a f*ckup!". It is a fraud, and that good people give good money to the perpetrators is why I get as pissed off as I do. It's why I do model reviews and movie reviews. As we all know, there's no nicer feeling on the planet than looking at the result of a model made from a Spin kit (which was created by people who gave a good goddamn about what they were doing - I use this again as an example of something done right) or walking out of a movie made by people who had the same attitude and did the same thing (like "Space Cowboys" - go see it!!!), and no worse feeling than the feeling of being ripped off in the end from the same kind of event by the schmucks and the putzes. I merely try to point out to the rest of you where the minefields are. And I *always* try in my reviews to say "here's a problem with the kit, and here's the easy solution." If I get ticked off, it's because I give a rat's a$$. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:29:00 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: One person's view..... Message-ID: In a message dated 8/15/00 11:26:34 PM EST, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << Fyi, "Waldo" is on the list. E. >> If he is, maybe he will read what is said, learn and improve. If he does, I'll be the head of the cheering section. TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:35:27 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speak of the Devil.... Message-ID: <48.9a77653.26cb902f@aol.com> You're right , I meant to say he flew the cargo version of the B-24, I must have misremembered the number, it was C-87, (I pulled my copy of Janes to double check) Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:48:19 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Speak of the Devil.... Message-ID: I still have my 1963 paperback of Bach's 'Stranger' in my library, along with Lou Cameron's (inaccurate, but hilarious) "Iron Men With Wooden Wings", books I never lend out as too rare and too important to me. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:39:01 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard announcement Message-ID: <399A4515.EFC5AAC9@dial.pipex.com> Ivan Subrt wrote: > Well, following is the exact translation of my email exchange with Jana > Sulcova on Aug 4-5, 2000. > > Me: > "I'm especially interested in what you are preparing in the field of WWI > aircraft model kits in 1/72 scale - if this is not too secret. I for one > would like to see a R.A.F. S.E.5/S.E.5a." > > J.S.: > "In 1/72 we plan: > indeed a S.E.5 (a) > > FOCKER E.III > FOCKER E.IV > Hanriot HD 1 and HD2 > CAMEL (sic)" > Yaaaay !! A decent true scale Camel !!(Hopefully) Davef ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:24:38 +0800 From: David Solosy To: "WW1 List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: David's Breguet, Message-ID: <56EBF0EF4A03D4118C6F00902776597F0DEF93@s26pss4.pssc.wa.gov.au> Sharon compliments me on the Breguet (thanks and awww, shucks) and then asks: