WWI Digest 2547 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: One person's view..... by Shane Weier 2) RE: Future by Shane Weier 3) RE: One person's view..... by Shane Weier 4) Re: One person's view.. by Albatrosdv@aol.com 5) Re: historical - not - fiction by Albatrosdv@aol.com 6) Re: 1/48 Fokker D.VII Kits by "DAVID BURKE" 7) Re: One person's view..... by Albatrosdv@aol.com 8) RE: Future by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 9) Re: One person's view.....SPAD VII by "DAVID BURKE" 10) Re: Speaking of the French Pages... by "DAVID BURKE" 11) Re: One person's view..... by "DAVID BURKE" 12) Re: One person's view..... by "DAVID BURKE" 13) Re: Speaking of the French Pages... by "DAVID BURKE" 14) Re: 1/48 Fokker D.VII Kits by Morg17ms@aol.com 15) RE: OT Fiction by "Millen, Alan R." 16) Re: One person's view..... by "Bob Pearson" 17) RE: One person's view..... by Shane Weier 18) Re: One person's view.. by Otisgood@aol.com 19) Re: JMGT kits by fedders 20) Overseas orders by Marc Flake 21) Another person's view wasRe: One person's view..... by smperry@mindspring.com 22) RE: Cookbook Request by Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com 23) Re: List Library by REwing@aol.com 24) Re: Historical Fiction by Marc Flake 25) RE: Miscellaneous Thoughts on IPMS Regionals by David Solosy 26) Speak of the Devil.... by Sharon Henderson 27) RE: Cookbook Request by "Matthew Bittner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:23:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: One person's view..... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D4D9@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> DB, > Not bad but could be much better for the bread, and boy, are > there some mods that have to be done! Yes? Care to elaborate? Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:26:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Future Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D4DA@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Brent offers the conservative approach: > Laquer, then enamel then acrylic. I haven't lost a paint job > using that system yet. Me, I use the raving idiot approach. Any over any, with "sufficient" time between coats. And I never lost a paint job either. I'm either lucky or set low standards Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:32:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: One person's view..... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D4DB@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Replying to myself on account of stupidity: > > Not bad but could be much better for the bread, and boy, are > > there some mods that have to be done! > > Yes? Care to elaborate? > The reason I ask is that the references that are available are few and highly contradictory. FMP, the Profile and SAvMI all disagree in detail and in general. So *which* reference is the one that we deem accurate enough to base our mods on, and which mods will they be, and which precise variant will we end up with? Not a flame old mate - I'm getting frustrated by the absence of the Datafile Special which I am utterly certain will make things even more confused. Shane (who has no repect for SAvMI as a reference source except when Woodman is the author. Thank God he's still being published in a widely circulating mag) ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:35:09 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: One person's view.. Message-ID: <39.8dc1bf6.26cb1f9d@aol.com> In a message dated 8/15/00 1:32:23 PM EST, John_Impenna@hyperion.com writes: << still have a few Cramer kits that are not yet available in(Sorry, Matt) 1/48th scale like the Bristol M.1.C >> Actually, the Bristol M.1C is available in a truly superb 1/48 resin kit from that little company I keep saying nice things about, Spin Models, with excellent decals and overall molding in resin of the quality one now expects of Eduard in plastic, and at a price $US24.95 + shipping) that is a real bargain - lots of value for money spent. You can get this kit from out vellow list member Lubos Vinar, whose URL for his site is: http://w3.inshop.cz/vamp/inshop/shop.asp If you need further proof of how nice this looks finished, look at my model in the images pages at the site. I really like promoting the products of real craftsmen like the people who run this company!! :-) Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:43:33 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: historical - not - fiction Message-ID: <2f.9471085.26cb2195@aol.com> In a message dated 8/15/00 2:23:49 PM EST, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << On the subject of OT books, in Flying Fury is frequently named a Lt. Cleaver... No Robert, no Hollywierd, no sudden bursts of verbosity on this Cleaver, but i can't stop thinking on our dearest Aeronut everytime that this officer appears... I wonder what kind of turmoil would have fired TC on a very formal british officer's mess... Nah, he would have been promptly sent as an exchange pilot to the Legion Etrangere quarters! Shocking! D. "This DeHavilland I fly has a horrid ripple in its wing! What are you thinking on, you bloody fools?!!!" Excerpt from a technical report by Lt. Cleaver, D.S.O. to "Boom" Trenchard, March 1917. >> I'm certainly glad I swallowed my coke before reading this. :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:47:45 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: 1/48 Fokker D.VII Kits Message-ID: <001301c0070a$d859b900$c389aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Hunter" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 4:54 PM Subject: 1/48 Fokker D.VII Kits > I'm looking for a D.VII kit in 1/48 (the best scale). I know of the SMER > kit, but I don't know what kind of quality those kits offer. Any help would > be most appreciated. > TIA, Graham H. > O.K. Graham, you really put your foot in it!! The BEST 1/48 Fokker D.VII is the DML kit, re-issued by Hasegawa. It is by far the best game in town. It can be found here and there, and if you keep your eyes open, it might see another limited re-release either by DML, Hasegawa, or another company. Second best would have to be the Monogram kit. THis too is fairly easy to come by - don't pay ANYONE more than 6 bucks for it either. Add the Eduard set and Eduard Spandau guns, and you have the beginnings of a nice model. SMER ranks a distant 10th. Who the hell wants to carve a damned airplane? DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:47:15 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: One person's view..... Message-ID: <9c.68274dd.26cb2273@aol.com> In a message dated 8/15/00 2:43:59 PM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << Is this correct? JMGT is coming out with a SPAD 12? If so, I need to go update the French pages... >> "X" and "V" are close enough on the keyboard - it's a typo. The Spad VII (BTW - SMO is out of stock on this kit right now and doesn't know when they will be getting more). TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:50:13 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Future Message-ID: Howdy! >Brent offers the conservative approach: Ha hah! There's a term rarely used in my description! >Me, I use the raving idiot approach. Any over any, with "sufficient" time >between coats. A good point. With "sufficient" being the operative word. I usually get on a painting kick and will only wait 24 hours between coats. Yet, I can't stop thinking that a "hot" laquer will eat an acrylic or enamel no matter how long you wait. It eats plastic for cryin' out loud! I don't believe for a minute you 'ave low standards Shane. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:53:53 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: One person's view.....SPAD VII Message-ID: <004b01c0070c$646ad9a0$c389aec7@com> OH OH OH OH!!!!! SORRY!!! I meant SPAD VII, not XII. I got Pfalz on my brain! I'll go wash it off now. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 2:46 PM Subject: Re: One person's view..... > On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:41:02 -0400 (EDT), DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > However, in response to all of the Franco-bashing, I ordered a JMGT SPAD > > XII. Of course it will end up as Guynemer, or Fonck, or some other > > acey-guy. I'm looking forward to getting my 60 bucks worth, and from what > > I'm hearing, I just might. Good. > > Is this correct? JMGT is coming out with a SPAD 12? If so, I need to > go update the French pages... > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:55:02 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Speaking of the French Pages... Message-ID: <004c01c0070c$65450d00$c389aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: RE: Speaking of the French Pages... > Graham, > > > Matt, When Tom Morgan and I get together his stuff to be digitally photoed > > you will have a 1/48 Spad XIII for your French page... BTW (excuse my > > ignorance) What are the French Pages?? > > Excellent! However, I'll just add them to the "regular" gallery on the > WW1 page. Since becoming "co-editor" for the site, I'm having second > thoughts about maintaining more than one set of links for images. > > The French pages are ones I developed to help with - primarily my - > French modeling needs. Everything I know of that has/did exist for WW1 > French aircraft builders I'm trying to incorporate into the pages. > Here's the direct link: > > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/FrenchWW1/index.html > > However, you can get to them through the main WW1 page. > > > Matt Bittner And a useful page it is too! I've even gone and looked at it! ;-) DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:56:47 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: One person's view..... Message-ID: <004d01c0070c$661f4060$c389aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 5:27 PM Subject: RE: One person's view..... > DB, > > > Not bad but could be much better for the bread, and boy, are > > there some mods that have to be done! > > Yes? Care to elaborate? > > Shane > Read the SAMI and Woodman article. DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:58:03 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: One person's view..... Message-ID: <004e01c0070c$66df8320$c389aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 5:36 PM Subject: RE: One person's view..... > Replying to myself on account of stupidity: > > > > > Not bad but could be much better for the bread, and boy, are > > > there some mods that have to be done! > > > > Yes? Care to elaborate? > > > > The reason I ask is that the references that are available are few and > highly contradictory. FMP, the Profile and SAvMI all disagree in detail and > in general. So *which* reference is the one that we deem accurate enough to > base our mods on, and which mods will they be, and which precise variant > will we end up with? > > Not a flame old mate - I'm getting frustrated by the absence of the Datafile > Special which I am utterly certain will make things even more confused. > > Shane > > (who has no repect for SAvMI as a reference source except when Woodman is > the author. Thank God he's still being published in a widely circulating > mag) > I'm cool! Yes, I have heard that a DF is in the works. We'll see what the problems are and let the chips fall where they may! DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:00:50 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Speaking of the French Pages... Message-ID: <005301c0070c$aa7a07e0$c389aec7@com> As far a JGMT's kits go, DB got a little fat fingered, I believe, and offered up a XII when he meant VII. > > But I'll take a look... > > Lance I apologise for making everyone's heart jump. Yes, I meant a SPAD VII. DB ..I got your fat finger right here bub..... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:04:12 EDT From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1/48 Fokker D.VII Kits Message-ID: <25.99429c2.26cb266c@aol.com> Graham - DML/Shanghai/Dragon (whatever) have/had several kits out. Much like their series of Dr.I's. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:37:03 -0400 From: "Millen, Alan R." To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: OT Fiction Message-ID: Stepping out of the shadows for a moment. There was a series of, I believe, three books about an Austro-Hungarian soldier, starting out as a ground pounder, transfering to the submarine service, thence to the air service. "Soldier of the Emporer?" maybe? AArrrgghh, more brain cells just fried! Alan R. Millen Phone 610.676.1194 Fax 610.676.3194 E-mail amillen@seic.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:35:23 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: One person's view..... Message-ID: <200008152348.QAA24342@mail.rapidnet.net> C&C(GB) devoted an issue to the Breguet with photos and drawings, including interior details Bob ---------- >From: Shane Weier >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: RE: One person's view..... >Date: Tue, Aug 15, 2000, 3:36 pm > > Replying to myself on account of stupidity: > > >> > Not bad but could be much better for the bread, and boy, are >> > there some mods that have to be done! >> >> Yes? Care to elaborate? >> > > The reason I ask is that the references that are available are few and > highly contradictory. FMP, the Profile and SAvMI all disagree in detail and > in general. So *which* reference is the one that we deem accurate enough to > base our mods on, and which mods will they be, and which precise variant > will we end up with? > > Not a flame old mate - I'm getting frustrated by the absence of the Datafile > Special which I am utterly certain will make things even more confused. > > Shane > > (who has no repect for SAvMI as a reference source except when Woodman is > the author. Thank God he's still being published in a widely circulating > mag) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential > and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution > or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are > requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems > to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. > ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:06:46 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: One person's view..... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D4DF@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Bob adds: > C&C(GB) devoted an issue to the Breguet with photos and > drawings, including interior details > Forgot them. More contradictions. To be fair, Hi-Tech mention this in the kit instructions *and* point out that there isn't an authoritative record and given the variations in series and from machine to machine proving just what is or isn't correct is a difficult matter. I do wish you mod would shut up about all these different aircraft. Just when I settle into building one, some clot mentions another and in typical S.Weier fashion it's off on a tangent I go. Shane nb Nothing. Sitting in a coal mine again. But back home tonight when the BM Snipe gets some more work (a lovely kit IMHO, as are all of the BM kits in my possession with the slight exception of the SPAD VII) nu CSM Dornier D.I wia ICM Konig (wia - whenever it arrives ) ab Numerous sub assemblies for three different scratch builds. ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:13:52 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: One person's view.. Message-ID: In a message dated 8/15/00 1:32:23 PM Central Daylight Time, John_Impenna@hyperion.com writes: > Granted, it probably isn't worth $68 > retail, but if the Br-14 by Hi-Tek is worth $40 then the Swordfish is worth > $100!!! I should comment that I bought my "Hi-Tech" Breguet for $28, not $40. I do agree it's not worth $40, when for less than that you can get a great Eduard Profipack. I just don't think that the kit is a total dog as has been alluded to, that's all. But it's all a matter of opinion anyway and we're all entitled to our own, whether we're wrong or not!:-) Otis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:23:19 -0500 (CDT) From: fedders To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: JMGT kits Message-ID: Juan at Sopwith Hobby has carried JGMT in the past and may still peter On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com wrote: > > Howdy! > > I do not know of a website. Squadron Mail Order does carry them. In fact, > there is a review for the ot JMGT Caudron 714 on the SMO review page. I > have this kit myself. Jerry gives the kit a bit too much credit, but it > should go together with little trouble. I know, I know, ot.... At least you > will get a feeling for the quality of the kits. I have fondled the SPAD VII > (?). It does look very nice. Thin TE and subtle rib detail. I haven't > purchased one yet, but I think I will someday. > > FYI: JMGT and Socrate are the same kit manufacturer. > > Later! > > Brent > > > > > Shane & Lorna Jenkins @pease1.sr.unh.edu on > 08/15/2000 11:07:32 AM > > Please respond to wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > Sent by: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > cc: > > Subject: JMGT kits > > > Hi gang, > > These kits have been mentioned before on list but I have never seen one > beyond a tiny review in some model magazine or other. > > Who stocks them? Is there a website? > > Yes! I'm curious! OK? > > Lorna > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:26:23 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Overseas orders Message-ID: <3999DFAF.2E22@airmail.net> Just got my package from Silverbird. From the time I ordered to receipt was about six weeks. However, when you consider Ivan went on a two week vacation, the package arrived in a timely manner. He e-mailed me Aug 8 that he shipped it air mail and it arrived today -- one week. That's better than aveage for overseas shipments. When you consider I bought a Spin SPAD A2, and four Eduard kits for about $75, that's a great deal. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:35:29 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Another person's view wasRe: One person's view..... Message-ID: <001101c00719$e2061480$070d56d1@default> How one values a kit bepends on one's longer view of the hobby. Are you building a collection, are you building for a client, are you building to become a better modeler, how limited is your modeling time. Your answers to these questions will tell alot about where you stand on the kit quality scale. I have more modeling time than many and I enjoy the challenge presented by some kits. To me a Merlin kit is a treasure trove of modeling challenges. To others it is a worthless lump of styrene. On the other hand, when I build for a client, I like something that builds fast . The value of a kit depends on why you are building it and how the kit meets the requirements of that end goal. A good kit review lets you know the challenges involved in bringing out the best model from the kit. A good modeler evaluates the challenges and rises to those that meet his needs. fwiw sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:44:03 -0500 From: Brent.A.Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Cookbook Request Message-ID: Howdy! >(yes, you can do different colours top and bottom this way - I make my own >tapes and paint the decal film half one colour, half the other before >stripping it with my handy dandy tape jig) I have been thinking about that method a lot recently. This time I need to do it the "easy" way. Well, that's what I thought before I got this far into it. This is the first time I've lozenged a model in dinky Bittner scale. Today I think the best answer for lozenge wings in 72nd is three color camo. Seriously, do you have any problems with the paint getting too thick on the decal paper? I want a rib tape, not a rib plank. Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:50:08 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: List Library Message-ID: <60.60560fa.26cb3f40@aol.com> << What is the address that I send a contribution to? -Al >> Rick Ewing 9037 Meadowsweet Way Elk Grove, CA 95624-2739 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:14:07 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Historical Fiction Message-ID: <3999EADF.23F6@airmail.net> IIRC, Arch Whitehouse did one or two slim volumes of OT fiction that I found in the "adolescent" section of the municipal library when I was growing up. I think one was "55 Squadron." Had a large rondell on the cover. Not too long ago, I found another novel on WWI, but I can't remember the name of it. It begins with a fellow flying a BE2 over the Channel and pranging it on arrival. It's repairable, but his squadron commander promptly lights it to "prevent pilots being killed in it." I think the rest of the novel describes the pilot's experiences flying the FE2. A very good book. I'll hike down to the library at lunch tomorrow and have a squizzy at the catalog. If I find it, I'll let you know. (I think I'm beginning to pick up the lingo.) Marc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:25:14 +0800 From: David Solosy To: "WW1 List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Miscellaneous Thoughts on IPMS Regionals Message-ID: <56EBF0EF4A03D4118C6F00902776597F0DEF8D@s26pss4.pssc.wa.gov.au> Nigel wrote:     I paid about A$16.50 which converst to about £6.35 or US$9.60. Ouch! Quite a lot for a little PE set.