WWI Digest 2527 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 425/17 info requested by "DAVID BURKE" 2) Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request by "DAVID BURKE" 3) Re: ot - but very cool! by "DAVID BURKE" 4) Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request by "DAVID BURKE" 5) 9th August 1918 by "Alberto Casirati" 6) Re: 9th August 1918 by "DAVID BURKE" 7) Re: Nats question by huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) 8) Farman F.40 engine info requested. by "DAVID BURKE" 9) Re: Nats question by "DAVID BURKE" 10) Nieuport Ni.11 vac by "Alberto Casirati" 11) Re: 9th August 1918 by "David C. Fletcher" 12) Re: The BIG Ortho question by David Fleming 13) Re: The BIG Ortho question by "DAVID BURKE" 14) Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request by "Matthew Bittner" 15) RE: Whoops, My Bad by "dfernet0" 16) Re: Offered for trade by "Matthew Bittner" 17) Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request by "Matthew Bittner" 18) Pfalz D.XII by "Matthew Bittner" 19) Re: Farman F.40 engine info requested. by "Matthew Bittner" 20) Re: 'Earlybirds' 1/72 Vacs by David Fleming 21) Re: 425/17 info requested by "Dale Beamish" 22) Re; Windsock by "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." 23) Re: Offered for trade by Ernest Thomas 24) Re: Re; Windsock by Dennis Ugulano 25) Re: 9th August 1918 by Ernest Thomas 26) Re: Want copy of Paine figure book by jhudson@hcsmail.com 27) Re: Farman F.40 engine info requested. by "Michael Kendix" 28) Re: Pfalz D.XII by mdf 29) Rhinebeck by "Douglas R. Jones" 30) Re: ot - but very cool! by Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:07:05 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: 425/17 info requested Message-ID: <004601c001c9$1d1d7d20$748daec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:54 PM Subject: Re: 425/17 info requested > Most recent pictures and research on 425/17 seem to indicate that it was > factory painted red over the linen, without any other paint. If you want good > references, buy the Richthofen Special by AE Ferko from Albatros. > Merrill > Thanks for the info, Merrill! Will see if I can find it. DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:10:01 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request Message-ID: <004701c001c9$1dd49820$748daec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 12:07 AM Subject: Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request > Fit is typical BM -invest in sandpaper stocks- check out the interior of the > Canberra DXII at the site- the interior not only does not fit, it's wrong, I > scratched mine, another thing, the 'rudder bar' provided is actually the > joystick aileron bar, and the engine is too poor even to be considered a > joke, it's an atrocity. I have to agree on the engine. Interesting concept, but it sure as Hell looks wrong to me too. The interior didn't look right to me either. I'll look at the one like you suggested. Well, I guess that it was the 'Flight Journal' article that made me pull it out of the stack. I can probably make something decent from it. DB I like the DXII, but Gannon can sit on it and rotate, > getting that kit right is a slow slog (I have yet to finish mine). > Merrill > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:11:46 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <004801c001c9$1e9e02a0$748daec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 12:41 AM Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! > Remember, Titanic is in very deep, oxygen free, cold water and no wood remains > eithin the wreck. Wood eating anaerobic bacteria dined well while the wood > lasted and iron eating bacteria will do just as well unit all the steel and iron > are gone, etc. Probably all thats left of the Nieuports are the engines, > machine guns. and various metal fittings. Salvaging those though would be > pretty cool. > > My $.02 > > Alvie > Well, I reckon that you're probably right on that one. Well, to quote Jerry Collonna: "I can dream, can't I?" DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:14:39 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request Message-ID: <004901c001c9$1f5fcc00$748daec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 12:50 AM Subject: Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request > Its doable, > > I did one about two years ago. Completely scratch built cockpit , after market > engine, struts need a lot of fiddlingespecially the cabanes but it builds into a > fantastic model. The 5-color lozenge and multi-color fuselage camo looks great > when done but expect to be at it for a while. Took me 5- 4 hour sessions to get > all the rib tapes on (.020" wide 5-color strips). It was worth it though. Well, rib tape is expected. I guess that I'll follow all suggestions by scratching the cockpit (you can't see that much of it though, can you?), replacing the engine (I just so happen to have a couple of CSM engines lying about), replace the guns, and look forward to strut fit problems. And to think that the D.H.2 is fairly easy to deal with... DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:37:17 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: 9th August 1918 Message-ID: <001901c001cc$443a4700$320106c0@acasirat> "Donec ad metam....we came here just for the joy of daring, we came here just for showing what we could dare to do as and when we would like, in the hour we would choose..." Gabriele D'Annunzio, Vienna sky, 9th August 1918 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:56:23 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: 9th August 1918 Message-ID: <000901c001ce$ef9cdf20$748daec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:35 AM Subject: 9th August 1918 > "Donec ad metam....we came here just for the joy of daring, we came here > just for showing what we could dare to do as and when we would like, in the > hour we would choose..." > > Gabriele D'Annunzio, Vienna sky, 9th August 1918 > "Bomb's Away!" Bombardier of B-29 'Bock's Car' over Nagasaki 9 Aug 45 DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:08:32 -0500 From: huggins1@swbell.net (John Huggins) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nats question Message-ID: --============_-1246317577==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Okay, I've been trying to figure this one out, along with a few others. > What took second at the Nats in 1/72nd bipes? It was *not* Hustad's >W.4, although most people I talk to think it was. Any clues out there? > > >Matt Bittner Here are your answers: I. AIRCRAFT 100. Biplanes, 1/72 and Smaller Sponsored by: James Sage, IPMS # 0000, Founder, IPMS/USA Out of the Box: Sopwith Tri-Hound John Huggins The Colony, Texas Third Place: Brandenberg D1 Bill Powers Birmingham, Alabama Second Place: Fokker EIII Jack Taylor Buffalo Grove, Illinois First Place: Ansaldo Baby Bill Devins Lancaster, Pennsylvania I. AIRCRAFT 101. Biplanes, 1/48 Hobbies West - Houston Out of the Box: Fokker E-III Roger Griemsmann Polk, New York Third Place: Fairey Swordfish Mk1 on Floats Shane Pulliam Tulsa, Oklahoma Second Place: Siemens Schucket DIII Paul Howard Abilene, Texas First Place: Sopwith Triplane Paul Howard Abilene, Texas --============_-1246317577==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Nats question
Okay, I've been trying to figure this one out, along with a few others.
 What took second at the Nats in 1/72nd bipes?  It was *not* Hustad's
W.4, although most people I talk to think it was.  Any clues out there?


Matt Bittner
Here are your answers:
I. AIRCRAFT
100. Biplanes, 1/72 and Smaller
Sponsored by: James Sage, IPMS # 0000, Founder, IPMS/USA

Out of the Box:
Sopwith Tri-Hound
John Huggins
The Colony, Texas

Third Place:
Brandenberg D1
Bill Powers
Birmingham, Alabama

Second Place:
Fokker EIII
Jack Taylor
Buffalo Grove, Illinois

First Place:
Ansaldo Baby
Bill Devins
Lancaster, Pennsylvania



I. AIRCRAFT
101. Biplanes, 1/48
Hobbies West - Houston

Out of the Box:
Fokker E-III
Roger Griemsmann
Polk, New York

Third Place:
Fairey Swordfish Mk1 on Floats
Shane Pulliam
Tulsa, Oklahoma

Second Place:
Siemens Schucket DIII
Paul Howard
Abilene, Texas

First Place:
Sopwith Triplane
Paul Howard
Abilene, Texas
--============_-1246317577==_ma============-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 02:14:44 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Farman F.40 engine info requested. Message-ID: <000d01c001d1$7fe9df40$748daec7@com> ..And of course, NOBODY seems to have the engine that I want for my 1/48 Farman F.40: a Renault 130CP inline engine. So does anyone know of a source for that powerplant so that I may begin my Farman project by scratchbuilding the engine? That way, the whole damned plane - except for the Aeroclub Hotchkiss gun and some other PE and detail parts - can be scratchbuilt. Basically, the plane looks to me to be a weird French marriage between a D.H.2 and a Brisfit. Jesus, it has some rigging on it! The inner 6 struts look like they have spiders in 'em! Well, actually, the blueprints have some excellent drawings, and they should be sufficient, however, I like to have all of the info that I can get. Anyway, any additional information is welcome - my greatest tsk at the moment is figuring out what scale these drawings are and then copying them down to 1/48 scale. Then I'll give this beast a shot! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 02:17:08 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Nats question Message-ID: <001301c001d1$d7007d20$748daec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Huggins" > I. AIRCRAFT > 101. Biplanes, 1/48 > Hobbies West - Houston > > Out of the Box: > Fokker E-III > Roger Griemsmann > Polk, New York > > Third Place: > Fairey Swordfish Mk1 on Floats > Shane Pulliam > Tulsa, Oklahoma > > Second Place: > Siemens Schucket DIII > Paul Howard > Abilene, Texas > > First Place: > Sopwith Triplane > Paul Howard > Abilene, Texas > SO? Did I at least get 5th place? DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:26:52 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: Subject: Nieuport Ni.11 vac Message-ID: <004b01c001d3$30d58240$320106c0@acasirat> Ok, ok, I know I already asked for this in the past, but "repetita iuvant", so here it is: does anyone whish to sell a 1/72nd vacuum-formed kit of the Nieuport 11? I know Classic Plane did a nice one... Sorry for asking again ! Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:31:02 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 9th August 1918 Message-ID: <399108B6.1C1D60E@mars.ark.com> Alberto Casirati wrote: > > "Donec ad metam....we came here just for the joy of daring, we came here > just for showing what we could dare to do as and when we would like, in the > hour we would choose..." > > Gabriele D'Annunzio, Vienna sky, 9th August 1918 Thank you, Alberto, that gives my life historic context. I joined the RCAF on 9 August, 1961 and retired on 9 August 1997 - and I served two tours on 415 Squadron with the motto, "Ad Metam". And I just got home from watching "Space Cowboys" - but at least there was a biplane, albeit ot, in the movie!!! To go OT, perhaps someone with the references should post a "this date in WWI" daily. Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:01:33 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The BIG Ortho question Message-ID: <39910FDD.98B1DA13@dial.pipex.com> > > > That's what I figured. However, it seems that it is a basic assumption > whenever we look at pics and say 'oh, that's dark - it must be yellow, red, > etc.'. My feeling has been that this is BS because of the fact that not all > film was ortho, and unless one has a known quantity to judge by - for > instance a roundel - one is shooting blind for an answer. > That, and the fact the angle/strength of light can affect it, as can the development/exposure times. Dicta Ira applies !! > > I don't know what got me on this topic... > Probably my Albatros question !! David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:08:52 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The BIG Ortho question Message-ID: <000b01c001d9$0fc9fa80$e887aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fleming" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 3:07 AM Subject: Re: The BIG Ortho question > > > > > > > > > That's what I figured. However, it seems that it is a basic assumption > > whenever we look at pics and say 'oh, that's dark - it must be yellow, red, > > etc.'. My feeling has been that this is BS because of the fact that not all > > film was ortho, and unless one has a known quantity to judge by - for > > instance a roundel - one is shooting blind for an answer. > > > > That, and the fact the angle/strength of light can affect it, as can the > development/exposure times. Dicta Ira applies !! > > > > > > I don't know what got me on this topic... > > > > Probably my Albatros question !! > > David > YEAH! It's YOUR fault!! :-) DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 05:13:43 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request Message-ID: <200008091015.DAA15570@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:41:08 -0400 (EDT), DAVID BURKE wrote: > I have opened the box on my BM Pfalz D.XII. Anyone else build this kit? > It all seems to match the plans pretty well except for the slightly > oversized wing. Any suggestions? Is the cockpit really that bare? I have > the DF, but was wondering if anyone had any supplimental info on > instruments. The D.H.2 is coming along... Okay, let me chime in here... CHECK THE SITE!! I wonder why we have a web site, if no one looks at it... Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site co-editor :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:10:43 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Whoops, My Bad Message-ID: <00cd01c001ea$142ad3e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: > Like the Blue Max? -snip- And they cheated by mixing in deHaviland Tigermoths. And they cheated with U.A. "self-supporting" bathing towels too! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 05:24:19 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Offered for trade Message-ID: <200008091023.DAA22989@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 02:00:00 -0400 (EDT), DAVID BURKE wrote: > So BM had one. Are there any plans afoot for someone else to release one? > Eduard? You could always find a JMGT one. Very nice, I hear, but pricey. I also hear the AJP Maquettes are doing one, if you're inclined toward that sort of model. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 05:25:02 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request Message-ID: <200008091024.DAA23647@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 02:18:47 -0400 (EDT), Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > You can see photos of mine at the "Three Pfalz Fighers" page on my stutt af > the WW1 site. Nice kit, and AFAIK, a Pfalz cockpit you should follow would > be the Profipack D.III cockpit - likely they sort of copied it for the D.XII > and nobody can prove otherwise absent photos no one has seen fit to publish > (yet). I see no one looks at the site... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 05:31:08 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <200008091030.DAA28937@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> I just uploaded a reference page to my sprint site on the Pfalz D.XII: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tbittners/ Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 05:34:18 -0500 From: "Matthew Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Farman F.40 engine info requested. Message-ID: <200008091033.DAA01701@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:18:29 -0400 (EDT), DAVID BURKE wrote: > .And of course, NOBODY seems to have the engine that I want for my 1/48 > Farman F.40: a Renault 130CP inline engine. So does anyone know of a source > for that powerplant so that I may begin my Farman project by scratchbuilding > the engine? That way, the whole damned plane - except for the Aeroclub > Hotchkiss gun and some other PE and detail parts - can be scratchbuilt. What about that Romanian book on the type? It was reviewed a year or two ago by a list member (Michael K, maybe?) and it sounds very nice. However, availability is an issue. Unfortunately I don't have that information. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:10:42 +0100 From: David Fleming To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 'Earlybirds' 1/72 Vacs Message-ID: <39911202.E98F2099@dial.pipex.com> BStett3770@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 08/08/2000 9:30:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com writes: > Hi Dave > > << Albatros BII (2 marking options) > BE2C (4 marking options) > Handriot HD1 (3 marking options) > Halberstadt CLII (2 marking options) > Nieuport Nie 12 (3 marking options) >> > > All of the above would have been ex-Formaplane. The fellow whom purchased > Libra/Scaleplane had a deal to by the Formaplane molds. As far as I know the > deal never came to light. The Fellow released one or two new Libra kits. > I know the original owner of Libra (Les Cooper) he was under contract to make > more masters but the deal fell through and the new owner when out of business. > Thanks Len & Barry - I suppose I should have guessed ex-Formaplane- IIRc the Company that purchased libra etc was Akita, after they went out of business the Libra/Scaleplanes moulds went to ED Models. Joe Chubbock's Phoenix models went to Blue Rider. The Formaplane moulds went to Aircraft in Minature, but not sure if they got the OT ones. Wonder if any of them will be rereleased ? David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:18:49 -0600 From: "Dale Beamish" To: "List" Subject: Re: 425/17 info requested Message-ID: <00bc01c001f3$c35ce660$3231b8a1@darcy> David You still have those serials? That's over a year ago! And you're going to use them for 425?!!!! Shame .... LOL Dale > PLEASE!!! DON'T SHOOT!! > > I just opened the box on my DML Dr.1 with MvR's markings. Whereas I don't > really like the kit markings, thanks to Dale Beamish, I can add the serials, > and I can add the national marks and stencils from an AeroMaster sheet. > > Did 425/17 have the telescopic sight (most likely I'd think), or the > reflector sight? Other than that, no other info neccessary - I just > finished glopping on about half a tube of putty into the series of > mid-oceanic ridges on the undersurfaces of the wings. BTW, would 425/17 be > red overall, or did it have turquiose undersufaces for the wings and/or > fuselage? I have no good pics. > > > DB > > Enjoying a pint > of cool Guinness > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 07:21:50 -0400 From: "John J. Ernst, A.I.A." To: WWI List Subject: Re; Windsock Message-ID: <39913ECE.92636A66@delucahomes.com> Hi All - Can someone give me some info about theWindsock publications? I have several of the Datafiles, but if I read some of the posts correctly, it sounds as if there is also a periodical. Is this correct? How much per year, how many issues, etc,.. Thanks. john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 06:56:27 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Offered for trade Message-ID: <399146EB.5A8A56CB@bellsouth.net> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > I am open to trades for something good. Any offers yet? I'm interested. LET'S MAKE A DEAL!!!! E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:26:52 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Re; Windsock Message-ID: <200008090827_MC2-AF14-5F44@compuserve.com> John, Windsock has been published since 1983. There are 6 issue per year. The cost is Surface $71 per year, Air $94 per year. I order direct from Albatros Productions Ltd 10 long view Berkhamsted, Herts HP4 1BY I recommend air mail as it takes about 30 days to get across the ocean. But then again, as long as it takes me to get to a new kit, they could come in a bottle and I would still be behind. :-) Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 8/2/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 07:32:28 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 9th August 1918 Message-ID: <39914F5C.5FF8FB56@bellsouth.net> DAVID BURKE spake thusly; > "Bomb's Away!" > > Bombardier of B-29 'Bock's Car' over Nagasaki > > 9 Aug 45 And in 1842, Herman Melville escaped from the Typee Valley cannibals who had been holding him captive for a month. Guess they were letting him age a bit. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 08:37:19 -0400 From: jhudson@hcsmail.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Want copy of Paine figure book Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000809083719.007c82e0@hcsmail.com> At 09:12 PM 8/8/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I've been looking for a copy of Shepard Paine's "Building and Painting Scale >Figures" for some time without success. It is out of print. Amazon hasn't >found it for me, and it has been over a year since I requested it. > Take a look at www.addall.com/used/ Its a site for doing searches on used and out of print books. I just went there and found one copy of Shepard Paine's book. Jim Hudson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:02:51 GMT From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Farman F.40 engine info requested. Message-ID: > >.And of course, NOBODY seems to have the engine that I want for my >1/48 >Farman F.40: a Renault 130CP inline engine. So does anyone know >of a >source for that powerplant so that I may begin my Farman project >by >scratchbuilding the engine? That way, the whole damned plane - >except for >the Aeroclub Hotchkiss gun and some other PE and detail >parts - can be >scratchbuilt. > David: If you wish to "pass" on the engine, you could build an F-40bis. Roseplane has a vacuform in 1/72nd scale that I've built, and I would guess that the reason he did the "bis" is that the F-40bis (or at least some of them)had a covered engine. A picture of this aeroplane is in the French WWI aeroplane FMP tome. This book also has a scale drawing (in 1/72nd scale, I think), so you could use that drawing to figure out the scale of the Romanian book's drawings. Michael. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:09:57 -0400 From: mdf To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <39916635.52E3D19F@mars.ark.com> just added a few drawings that may be of interest to the masses, (no html yet) http://members.home.net/nieuport/Drawings/Engines&Fittings/ Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:24:16 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Rhinebeck Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000809092254.00a22720@mail> Is anyone attending the 34th annual Mid-Hudson R/C jamboree at Old Rhinebeck September 9th & 10th? Doug -------------------------------------------------- Douglas R. Jones 972-394-4332 'I am a traveler of both Time and Space' Led Zeppelin -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:36:58 -0500 From: Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: Howdy! Devil's Advocate here.... I agree the crew of the Hunley should get their Confederate honors. I agree that a certain group will be displeased by this (screw 'em!). Can you imagine the media circus if the same thing was being done for a recently recovered u-boat crew? Or better yet, how about a group of SS? Just stirring the ot pot. Later! Brent "DAVID BURKE" @pease1.sr.unh.edu on 08/08/2000 02:27:56 PM Please respond to wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Sent by: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu To: Multiple recipients of list cc: Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! > they raised the > > sunken CSS Hunley from the Atlantic > > The best part is that they will bury the remains of the crew with full > Confederate Military Honors. > > sp > Aww Great. Next thing you know, Maxine Watters, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and all of those retards will start bitching about it being 'a celebration of slavery' or some such horse-shash. I ALREADY have a headache. DB ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2527 **********************