WWI Digest 2526 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Want copy of Paine figure book by "DAVID BURKE" 2) Re: ot - but very cool! by "DAVID BURKE" 3) Farman F.40 - was Re: Nats question by "DAVID BURKE" 4) Re: ot - but very cool! by "DAVID BURKE" 5) Re: The BIG Ortho question by "DAVID BURKE" 6) Re: ot - but very cool! by mdf 7) Re: ot - but very cool! by K129000@aol.com 8) Re: ot - but very cool! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 9) Whoops, My Bad by "DAVID BURKE" 10) BM Pfalz D.XII info request by "DAVID BURKE" 11) Re: ot - but very cool! by "DAVID BURKE" 12) Re: Cripes, one fine a Tripe! by "P. Howard" 13) Re: ot - but very cool! Now OT, in the Baltic.... by Zulis@aol.com 14) Re: 425/17 info requested by MAnde72343@aol.com 15) Re: ot - but very cool! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 16) Re: ot - but very cool! by MAnde72343@aol.com 17) Offered for trade by Albatrosdv@aol.com 18) Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request by MAnde72343@aol.com 19) Re: Whoops, My Bad by K129000@aol.com 20) Re: ot - but very cool! by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 21) Re: ot - but very cool! by MAnde72343@aol.com 22) Re: ot - but very cool! by MAnde72343@aol.com 23) Re: ot - but very cool! by "Michael S. Alvarado" 24) RE: BM Pfalz D.XII info request by Shane Weier 25) unsubbing for a while by "Limon3" 26) Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request by "Michael S. Alvarado" 27) Re: ot - but very cool! by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 28) TC calls for reason & I agree - was Re: ot - but very cool! by "DAVID BURKE" 29) Re: Offered for trade by "DAVID BURKE" 30) Re: ot - but very cool! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 31) Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request by Albatrosdv@aol.com 32) Re: Whoops, My Bad by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:09:52 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Want copy of Paine figure book Message-ID: <008301c001b9$77240240$b584aec7@com> Well, If you can get a copy of the book from Barry, you still wanna part with that Alb.C.III? I'll give you an agreeable offer! DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:19:40 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <008501c001b9$78e00a20$b584aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Henderson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 7:55 PM Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! > TC scripsit: > > >You guys are the ones who fought for the logical inconsistency of > >the freedom to be slaveowners. > > Uhh Tom, Be careful with the 'you guys'. My ancestors were abolishonist and all fought for the Union. However, I'll salute a soldier who fought bravely. I mean, I respect alot of German pilots from both Wars in the last century, but I'm glad that they won on neither occasion! I just happen to have grown up down hyar. Later! DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:22:35 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Farman F.40 - was Re: Nats question Message-ID: <008601c001b9$79b115c0$b584aec7@com> Don't you worry there, Bud! As soon as I get these blueprints reduced and start hacking away, you'll get plenty of build-ups! BTW: off the tops of your heads, Does anyone do a 1/48 Hotchkiss MG? Aeroclub? I can check later. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Nats question > > No, I think that SCRATCHBUILDING a Farman F.40 is rough! > > > > > > DB > > > > Getting the > > itch! > > Photos ;-) > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:24:00 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <009501c001b9$c64d34e0$b584aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:15 PM Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! > In a message dated 00-08-08 20:12:37 EDT, you write: > > << For more info, read the book 'Blind Man's Bluff'. About as ot as one can > get, but a hell of a bunch of stories - the fact that they happened is even > wilder! > > Or, read 'Hostile Waters' about the K-219 (a different sub) that caught fire > in the Carribean. >> > I talked to a former navy person. He claims to have been in a P-3 listening > to the K-219 in its death throws. He thought Blind Man's bluff wasn't very > factual. (Of course there's no was for me to know that). > > The best source I've seen on the recovery of K-129 was A Matter of Risk. Now > out of print, it is a small paper back book and represnts the vast majority > of info availble on the subject. > > It has now been over 25 years since the then antiquated Golf-2, diesel > eletric submarine was raised from the pacific. It has been almost 30 years > since it was photographed on the ocean floor, and still the CIA hasn't seen > fit to release a single picture, nor a single memo beyond the standard "we > got part of it" line. This makes me frown. > > Thanks for the suggestion, Blind Mans bluff is a good book. I think so, > though there's no way for those of us in the white world to ever know for > sure. > > Yeah, K-129, K-19, K219 Can we see a patern here? > Sunk, melt down, sunk and imploded > > K-129 Wonder if WWI U-boats had a pattern too? DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:24:52 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The BIG Ortho question Message-ID: <009601c001b9$c72f0960$b584aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:11 PM Subject: Re: The BIG Ortho question > In a message dated 8/8/00 7:13:12 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: > > << I don't know what got me on this topic... > > > DB > >> > > Do you ever? > > (Please - not posted as a complaint! The fun quotient went way up last year > when we found you/you discovered us, whatever.) :-) > > TC No offense taken! My fun quotient went up too! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:34:19 -0400 From: mdf To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <3990DF4B.C4F0AF26@mars.ark.com> last I heard they found the engine in NY. Now there was a ship full of Nieuports headed to Russia that got sunk in the Baltic that would make an interesting find... mikef K129000@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 00-08-08 12:33:04 EDT, you write: > > << Why is this so cool? Well, if this thing survived down there, imagine > just what kind of OT goodies lie buried undersea and underground! Wow! > >> > > I believe there is an effort to locate Charles Nugeseur's aircraft under the > atlantic. He was lost during a crossing attept after the war. > > K-129 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:30:51 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <64.5725f88.26c2387b@aol.com> In a message dated 00-08-09 00:26:32 EDT, you write: << Wonder if WWI U-boats had a pattern too? >> are there any left in exsistance? Other than those at the bottom of the sea. K-129 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:36:27 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <65.828d0b0.26c239cb@aol.com> In a message dated 8/8/00 8:16:06 PM EST, sljenkins@tac.com.au writes: << Clive has also done a lot of ship archeology as well. He has found a lot of ACW ships, also a whole stack of OT ships as well. Check out his book "The Sea Hunters" for more info, I highly recommend it. >> The difficult thing of taking your advice is the fact that Mr. Cussler is illiterate. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:35:08 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Whoops, My Bad Message-ID: <000a01c001bb$8ac74080$4c85aec7@com> Hey Guys, The article that I mentioned about the Pfalzes, well, it's really about the two that were used in the films. Sorry, I should have read the article fully instead of scanning it. It's a good article though. DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:37:33 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: BM Pfalz D.XII info request Message-ID: <000b01c001bb$8b7e5b80$4c85aec7@com> Hey guys, I have opened the box on my BM Pfalz D.XII. Anyone else build this kit? It all seems to match the plans pretty well except for the slightly oversized wing. Any suggestions? Is the cockpit really that bare? I have the DF, but was wondering if anyone had any supplimental info on instruments. The D.H.2 is coming along... DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:39:19 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <001501c001bb$c990dc40$4c85aec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mdf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:35 PM Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! > last I heard they found the engine in NY. > Now there was a ship full of Nieuports headed to Russia that got sunk in > the Baltic that would make an interesting find... > > mikef Hmmm. I wonder how deep and cold the Baltic is? would help preserve the artifacts. DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:47:08 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: "WWI POST" Subject: Re: Cripes, one fine a Tripe! Message-ID: <00c201c001bc$e0f4e880$98928ece@phoward> Stef, Your discription of my skills is one that I wish I could see. I've always considered the finish of my models to be only just passable. After seeing the work of Lance Krieg, Alberto Casirati and many others, I hardly feel my skills warrant passing my practices on to the list. I'd be happy to do so if needed, but in my honest opinion, there better qualified people. On an individual level, any info you require on my painting practices is yours. There are about four different types of finishes on the Triplane, and they don't overlap, so if there are specific areas you are referring to, I'll be happy to tell you how I wandered my way through that part. I broke the Triplane's finish into sections; metal areas, wooden areas, fabric areas, and overall weathering of the above areas during construction. Just so you don't think I'm trying to be cryptic or evasive, I started this plane three years ago and due to a year and a half forced modeling hiatus due to spinal surgery, only just got it finshed. I can pull out my notes from when I did each section and get the info. Let me know what you want and I'll get it off to you, or whoever wants to know. Cheers, Paul H -----Original Message----- From: S Karver To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 7:55 AM Subject: Cripes, one fine a Tripe! >Superlative finish on this Englander dreidecker, Mr. Howard. >Though you cannot, unfortnately, e-mail your skill, perhaps you would favor >the List >with some of your painting practices (assuming they're legal)? >Regards, >Stef > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:48:18 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Now OT, in the Baltic.... Message-ID: In a message dated 00-08-09 00:40:56 EDT, you write: << I wonder how deep and cold the Baltic is? would help preserve the artifacts. >> Depends upon where, exactly, in the Baltic. There is a warm current running through the Baltic which moderates their weather somewhat, and some parts of it are quite shallow (the Gulf of Riga, for example). However, if this ship sank in the northern portions, it could be both deep and cold. Wouldnt it be something to pull a bunch of Nieuports out of the water, though..... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:48:45 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 425/17 info requested Message-ID: Most recent pictures and research on 425/17 seem to indicate that it was factory painted red over the linen, without any other paint. If you want good references, buy the Richthofen Special by AE Ferko from Albatros. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:51:10 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <92.87d5d1a.26c23d3e@aol.com> In a message dated 8/8/00 9:31:14 PM EST, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: << Harry Turtledove, Right? (author) The roots of the rebellion go back to Jefferson, he didn't want a central government, and thought the states should stay sovereign; the Confederacy was modeled after the old Articles of Confederation, and as a result was never really a nation, just a bunch of loose states, right to the end, It's a wonder they were able to last as long as they did. Jefferson was a rather ruthless idealist, and would have approved of secession. >> OK. I'm the one who responded to DB's provocation, so I am going to say this before Allan has to step in: this is the WW1 list, not I am certain there are members of the list who feel for their own reasons as strongly as I do for my reasons on this subject, and I respect that. Nobody's opinions on this have been changed in 140 years and they are unlikely to be if we start this exchange. I'll admit to favoring the opinons of the gentleman from Minnesota, a strong, loyal state, but that's as far as it needs to go right now, OK? As I said to Rev. Sharon off-list - I know I won't change her opinions and now she knows she will never change mine, so let's go back to debating 2 and 3-color Albatros wings. :-) I have no problem debating the various sides of the war under discussion here, and am more than happy to step outside with any Kaiser-lover I run across, but let's keep this other war (which still continues here in the US) for other e-mail venues. OK?? Best regards to all, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:52:43 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: No pattern, but then 89% were lost in the second go around, so the pattern would probably be in the survivors. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:02:19 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Offered for trade Message-ID: <94.84e9165.26c23fdb@aol.com> Well, after careful consideration, it's my considered opinion that trying to backdate the Halberstadt Cl.II to the D.IV is a good way to ruin a nice kit. So, here I sit with a nice BM Cl.II kit, still in the shrinkwrap, and I already did the review and have the model and there's not a lot of reason to do two of these. I am open to trades for something good. If anyone would have a BM SPAD VII they don't want to do, I'd love to trade (don't all laugh at once, I am sure I'd hear it here). LMK off-list. You can look at the one I did do, which is on my pages at the site. It's one of BM's better kits. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:02:49 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request Message-ID: <9b.8c47acb.26c23ff9@aol.com> Fit is typical BM -invest in sandpaper stocks- check out the interior of the Canberra DXII at the site- the interior not only does not fit, it's wrong, I scratched mine, another thing, the 'rudder bar' provided is actually the joystick aileron bar, and the engine is too poor even to be considered a joke, it's an atrocity. I like the DXII, but Gannon can sit on it and rotate, getting that kit right is a slow slog (I have yet to finish mine). Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:03:51 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Whoops, My Bad Message-ID: In a message dated 00-08-09 00:38:36 EDT, you write: << The article that I mentioned about the Pfalzes, well, it's really about the two that were used in the films. Sorry, I should have read the article fully instead of scanning it. >> Like the Blue Max? They had a nice Pfalz D.3 in that. The triplane of Baron Von Richtofen didn't have a real rotary engine, nor did the others in the movie. And they cheated by mixing in deHaviland Tigermoths. K-129 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:58:47 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <3990E507.B4FC2CB2@tac.com.au> K129000@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 00-08-09 00:26:32 EDT, you write: > > << Wonder if WWI U-boats had a pattern too? >> > > are there any left in exsistance? Other than those at the bottom of the sea. > > K-129 Hi, Yes, there is a WW1 U-boat in the Deutsches Museum in Munich. It lies on one floor, with the conning tower poking thru the floor above. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:06:46 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <4e.97a72d5.26c240e6@aol.com> Fresh water preserves, salt water EATS (Remember Titanic, 28 degree water, and being eaten by iron fixing bacteria, until in less than 40 years it will be red dust.) Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:10:21 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <36.9d10a50.26c241bd@aol.com> Sorry TC, ignorance offends me, (mine included), I surely had no intention of continuing on that topic, Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:32:14 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <3990ECDD.4FB90B1D@bellatlantic.net> Remember, Titanic is in very deep, oxygen free, cold water and no wood remains eithin the wreck. Wood eating anaerobic bacteria dined well while the wood lasted and iron eating bacteria will do just as well unit all the steel and iron are gone, etc. Probably all thats left of the Nieuports are the engines, machine guns. and various metal fittings. Salvaging those though would be pretty cool. My $.02 Alvie DAVID BURKE wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! > > > In a message dated 00-08-08 15:04:29 EDT, you write: > > > > << And for the curious does K-129 refer to HMCS Agassiz, or did your > parents > > have some strange naming ideas? >> > > > > My real name is Chris. K-129 is what I use on the Net. It refers to the > > name of the Soviet submarine raised from the pacific in 1974. > > > > The Hull number was K-129 > > > > K-129 > > For more info, read the book 'Blind Man's Bluff'. About as ot as one can > get, but a hell of a bunch of stories - the fact that they happened is even > wilder! > > Or, read 'Hostile Waters' about the K-219 (a different sub) that caught fire > in the Carribean. > > DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:36:50 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: BM Pfalz D.XII info request Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D49E@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Merrill says (with some justification I might add) > Fit is typical BM -invest in sandpaper stocks- check out the > interior of the > Canberra DXII at the site- the interior not only does not > fit, it's wrong, I > scratched mine, another thing, the 'rudder bar' provided is > actually the > joystick aileron bar, and the engine is too poor even to be > considered a > joke, it's an atrocity. I like the DXII, but Gannon can sit > on it and rotate, > getting that kit right is a slow slog (I have yet to finish mine). It's truly amazing how our standards have risen. When the D.XII kit was released it was greeted with nowt but praise, indeed, with high praise. It's astonishing how far we've come in how short a period given that the early Eduards are only years rather than decades old, and we greeted *them* with undiluted admiration too! FWIW if anyone is moved to disgust over *their* issue of this (or any other) kit, my smail address can be had by application off list ;-) Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:43:51 -0700 From: "Limon3" To: "WWI list" Subject: unsubbing for a while Message-ID: <000101c001c4$cce8cac0$e8bf113f@f4w2s5> I'll be going up to the Great NW for a week & 1/2, play nice, any good shops up in the Seattle or Vancouver B.C. areas that I can check out? Gabe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:41:51 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request Message-ID: <3990EF1F.9CDF1F05@bellatlantic.net> Its doable, I did one about two years ago. Completely scratch built cockpit , after market engine, struts need a lot of fiddlingespecially the cabanes but it builds into a fantastic model. The 5-color lozenge and multi-color fuselage camo looks great when done but expect to be at it for a while. Took me 5- 4 hour sessions to get all the rib tapes on (.020" wide 5-color strips). It was worth it though. MAnde72343@aol.com wrote: > Fit is typical BM -invest in sandpaper stocks- check out the interior of the > Canberra DXII at the site- the interior not only does not fit, it's wrong, I > scratched mine, another thing, the 'rudder bar' provided is actually the > joystick aileron bar, and the engine is too poor even to be considered a > joke, it's an atrocity. I like the DXII, but Gannon can sit on it and rotate, > getting that kit right is a slow slog (I have yet to finish mine). > Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:25:14 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <3990EB3A.2A27D4EB@tac.com.au> Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/8/00 4:51:46 PM EST, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: > > << Does anyone remember the Hunley model at quayside in FSM a while back? >> > > Word among all the submarine modelers is that none of the Hunley models look > anything like the real thing, and there are going to be some Big Names with > egg all over their faces, including one Elevated Super Master who is always > sure to let us all know how Elevated Above Us he is, who is really a very > non-merry man. (Yes! There *is* a God, and justice in the universe!) > > TC Hmmm, for someone who moans & complains about the "sandbox" all the time, you just can't keep your mouth shut about it can you? I notice that you're oh so very brave to mention a RMS poster where he doesn't have the right of reply!! "Pot meet kettle" is the term that often comes to mind here, whenever you mention RMS on this list. Your holier than thou attitude to it doesn't mesh with your history there. For those who'd like to see Tom in full flight check out Dejanews one day. At the same time, check out my posting history for more of the same, as I know that with some of my posts there, I can be considered just as guilty. As for egg on people's face, considering that the only things that people had to go on about the CSS Hunley iirc were paintings, newspaper drawings, etc, do you really think that once the "facts" are known, they are going to be that concerned? That is always a risk when you model where reference is scarce to non existant. Given that we're still finding out stuff about WW1 that contradicts established thinking, the chances are that anyone could build a model which later proves to be "inaccurate". Does this mean we'll have egg on our faces? No!! You do the best you can with the reference available to you AT THE TIME. Tom, do us all a favour & don't mention rms in this forum again, since you can only denigrate it. By doing so, you put a slur on all the people who use it including myself & many others on this list. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:53:31 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: TC calls for reason & I agree - was Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <000701c001c6$28139be0$748daec7@com> > OK. I'm the one who responded to DB's provocation, so I am going to say this > before Allan has to step in: this is the WW1 list, not > Agreed. DB Provacateur? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:55:15 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Offered for trade Message-ID: <000d01c001c6$653b2060$748daec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 12:07 AM Subject: Offered for trade > Well, after careful consideration, it's my considered opinion that trying to > backdate the Halberstadt Cl.II to the D.IV is a good way to ruin a nice kit. > So, here I sit with a nice BM Cl.II kit, still in the shrinkwrap, and I > already did the review and have the model and there's not a lot of reason to > do two of these. > > I am open to trades for something good. If anyone would have a BM SPAD VII > they don't want to do, I'd love to trade (don't all laugh at once, I am sure > I'd hear it here). > > LMK off-list. You can look at the one I did do, which is on my pages at the > site. It's one of BM's better kits. > > Cheers, > > Tom Cleaver Funny you should mention a SPAD VII in 1/48 scale. I bought the book 'Les Cicgognes', and it has gotten me fired up to do a VII! So BM had one. Are there any plans afoot for someone else to release one? Eduard? DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 02:09:43 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <34.8e0166f.26c24fa7@aol.com> In a message dated 8/8/00 11:23:53 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << Uhh Tom, Be careful with the 'you guys'. My ancestors were abolishonist and all fought for the Union. However, I'll salute a soldier who fought bravely. I mean, I respect alot of German pilots from both Wars in the last century, but I'm glad that they won on neither occasion! I just happen to have grown up down hyar. Later! DB >> You're hereby officially "Off The Hook." :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 02:13:23 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: BM Pfalz D.XII info request Message-ID: <26.924987b.26c25083@aol.com> In a message dated 8/8/00 11:38:43 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << I have opened the box on my BM Pfalz D.XII. Anyone else build this kit? >> You can see photos of mine at the "Three Pfalz Fighers" page on my stutt af the WW1 site. Nice kit, and AFAIK, a Pfalz cockpit you should follow would be the Profipack D.III cockpit - likely they sort of copied it for the D.XII and nobody can prove otherwise absent photos no one has seen fit to publish (yet). TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:06:06 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Whoops, My Bad Message-ID: <004501c001c9$1c4aeae0$748daec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 12:08 AM Subject: Re: Whoops, My Bad > In a message dated 00-08-09 00:38:36 EDT, you write: > > << The article that I mentioned about the Pfalzes, well, it's really about > the two that were used in the films. Sorry, I should have read the article > fully instead of scanning it. >> > > Like the Blue Max? They had a nice Pfalz D.3 in that. The triplane of Baron > Von Richtofen didn't have a real rotary engine, nor did the others in the > movie. > > And they cheated by mixing in deHaviland Tigermoths. > > K-129 'Dawn Patrol'. But to see those planes fly is worth a few Tiger Moths. As I'm sure, some of us Luftwaffe guys rankle a bit while watching 'Battle of Britiain', as the 'Bf-109E's' are actually Spanish Hispano-built planes, and the He-111's have Merlin engines (same as the Spitfire - what a coincidence!). Not to drift TOO far ot, but heck, at least the birds are flying and I get to see 'em, if only on film! Well, Bed-time DB ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2526 **********************