WWI Digest 2525 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: ot - but very cool! by Albatrosdv@aol.com 2) RE: The BIG Ortho question by Shane Weier 3) Re: Nugeseur was:ot - but very cool! (Actually he was OT and cool too) by Zulis@aol.com 4) Re: Nugeseur was:ot - but very cool! (Actually he was OT and cool too) by MAnde72343@aol.com 5) models built by "Roger Belanger" 6) Re: ot - but very cool! by "DAVID BURKE" 7) Re: Albatros 3 colour wings by "DAVID BURKE" 8) Re: The BIG Ortho question by "DAVID BURKE" 9) Re: Nats question by "DAVID BURKE" 10) Re: Nugeseur was:ot - but very cool! (Actually he was OT and cool too) by K129000@aol.com 11) RE: The BIG Ortho question by Shane Weier 12) Comments/recommendations re. Optivisor?? by JVT7532@aol.com 13) Re: Nats question by smperry@mindspring.com 14) Re: Albatros 3 colour wings by Dennis Ugulano 15) Re: ot - but very cool! by Sharon Henderson 16) Re: subscribe or not subscribe by Mike Kavanaugh 17) Re: Comments/recommendations re. Optivisor?? by "David C. Fletcher" 18) Want copy of Paine figure book by "Edward Swaim" 19) Re: ot - but very cool! by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 20) Albatros 3 Color Camo by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 21) Gone until 8/23 by "Charles and Linda Duckworth" 22) Re: subscribe or not subscribe by smperry@mindspring.com 23) Re: 'Earlybirds' 1/72 Vacs by BStett3770@aol.com 24) Re: ot - but very cool! by MAnde72343@aol.com 25) Re: Want copy of Paine figure book by MAnde72343@aol.com 26) Re: Want copy of Paine figure book by BStett3770@aol.com 27) Re: Want copy of Paine figure book by Ernest Thomas 28) Re: subscribe or not subscribe by Mike Kavanaugh 29) Re: Comments/recommendations re. Optivisor?? by "DAVID BURKE" 30) 425/17 info requested by "DAVID BURKE" 31) Re: The BIG Ortho question by Albatrosdv@aol.com 32) Re: ot - but very cool! by K129000@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 18:02:18 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/8/00 4:51:46 PM EST, MAnde72343@aol.com writes: << Does anyone remember the Hunley model at quayside in FSM a while back? >> Word among all the submarine modelers is that none of the Hunley models look anything like the real thing, and there are going to be some Big Names with egg all over their faces, including one Elevated Super Master who is always sure to let us all know how Elevated Above Us he is, who is really a very non-merry man. (Yes! There *is* a God, and justice in the universe!) TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:15:36 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The BIG Ortho question Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D495@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> DB asks: > There are you out there who are much more experienced > than I. So tell > me: was ALL of the film useed during WWI Ortho film? Hell no. However, you can assume that the majority was Ortho since Panchro was still not widely available and certainly not for amateur use (remember that many/most of the photos taken were taken on glass plate negatives. These are developed in trays, in a darkroom, like B&W photos and are a hell of a lot easier to handle under a *red* safelight than in the pitch black a panchro film requires) Remember too that there was already *colour* film available back then - though the only colour photos of aircarft that I know of are in the Australian War Memorial collection Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 18:17:15 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nugeseur was:ot - but very cool! (Actually he was OT and cool too) Message-ID: <6.9e5cf88.26c1e0eb@aol.com> In a message dated 00-08-08 17:18:50 EDT, you write: << I believe they pretty well determined they (Coli too) made it across and went down in the Maine woods. >> I saw something about this on television once, too. Maps, photos of the area, even an interview with a guy who was just a kid back then and remembers it. If I am remembering correctly, two guys fishing on the lake nearby heard the plane coming down quite clearly but, in the fog and remote conditions, apparently decided not to get involved. I believe hunters were the ones who found what may be a chunk of engine, but they found it 20 years ago and now, with renewed interest, cannot find it again. Sounds suspicious I know - but in all fairness, you could park an aircraft carrier in some corners of those woods and it wouldnt be found by pedestrians for awhile. I wish I had paid closer attention.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 18:55:50 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nugeseur was:ot - but very cool! (Actually he was OT and cool too) Message-ID: <30.89790ba.26c1e9f6@aol.com> Check out the Tighar site, Maine has been downgraded, Nova Scotia is still being searched Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 18:53:56 -0400 From: "Roger Belanger" To: "WWI" Subject: models built Message-ID: <007d01c0018b$88cd1f00$cbc14f0c@rogerbel> I have built 25 models that I want to keep. In 1/72 scale and 3 in 1/48..........Roger Belanger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:06:10 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <004401c00196$45815580$ade179a5@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! > In a message dated 00-08-08 15:04:29 EDT, you write: > > << And for the curious does K-129 refer to HMCS Agassiz, or did your parents > have some strange naming ideas? >> > > My real name is Chris. K-129 is what I use on the Net. It refers to the > name of the Soviet submarine raised from the pacific in 1974. > > The Hull number was K-129 > > K-129 For more info, read the book 'Blind Man's Bluff'. About as ot as one can get, but a hell of a bunch of stories - the fact that they happened is even wilder! Or, read 'Hostile Waters' about the K-219 (a different sub) that caught fire in the Carribean. DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:02:30 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Albatros 3 colour wings Message-ID: <004301c00196$445c5d80$ade179a5@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fleming" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 2:39 PM Subject: Re: Albatros 3 colour wings > > > DAVID BURKE wrote: > > > Hey David, > > > > All in all, the only help that you are probably gonna get is in various > > > > reference books, the instructions to your particular kit, and photos. Aside > > from that, you're on your own. > > > > OF COURSE: you can tell us what type you are doing and what the serial > > number is and we can all see what info we have. > > > > That, Mr Burke, is a very valid point !! > > Actually, since posting this Pm, I discovered more about one of my choices !! I > had a copy of Flight from June 28 1917 which showed DI 391/16 in RFC markings > (This being by my reckoning one of the pre production DIs). Now I had long > suspected this was actually repainted PC10, but could have been in dark > red/brown (I reckoned it was too early for the 3 tone). I then, while looking > through the SS In Action found a picture of 391/17 in German markings, much > different to it's RFC colours, which I now reckon are PC10 uppers, CDL unders > (as per early D1s) and Battleship grey metal panels. It even has an RFC style > serial !! (Where is that Pegasus sheet?) That's one down !! > > My other choice is the same but different ! This is the early DII illustrated in > SS In Action on page 12, and in Datafile 11 on page 21. RR suggests this is > painted PC-10, and it may have been by the time the Datafile pic were taken, but > the SS ones certainly suggest a unpainted fuselage. Also, the DF pictures appear > to show a cam pattern on the wing. If it is PC10 in the dF, then it's a poor > coat. Shades of Fokker Green over CDL ! That would look different ! Streaky > PC-10 over varnished ply & green/brown/light green !! Unfortunately, nobody > gives an ID for the plane, other than suggesting it may be 'G33', but it's an > early DII with the 'ear' radiators. If it is G33, it was captured on 5/5/17 (Or > it could be D473/16 (G32) captured on 3/5/17). > > And for anyone who says I have a sad obsession with captured Albatros, then > you're probably right !! At least Pfalz & Fokkers are easier to work out the > colours !! > > Yours obsessively > > David > > Yeah, well I must say that there are much worse obsessions - keep up the search, I'm sure you'll get the info! DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:10:22 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: The BIG Ortho question Message-ID: <004501c00196$48d03260$ade179a5@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 5:20 PM Subject: RE: The BIG Ortho question > DB asks: > > > > There are you out there who are much more experienced > > than I. So tell > > me: was ALL of the film useed during WWI Ortho film? > > Hell no. However, you can assume that the majority was Ortho since Panchro > was still not widely available and certainly not for amateur use > > (remember that many/most of the photos taken were taken on glass plate > negatives. These are developed in trays, in a darkroom, like B&W photos and > are a hell of a lot easier to handle under a *red* safelight than in the > pitch black a panchro film requires) > > Remember too that there was already *colour* film available back then - > though the only colour photos of aircarft that I know of are in the > Australian War Memorial collection > > Shane Well, That's what I figured. However, it seems that it is a basic assumption whenever we look at pics and say 'oh, that's dark - it must be yellow, red, etc.'. My feeling has been that this is BS because of the fact that not all film was ortho, and unless one has a known quantity to judge by - for instance a roundel - one is shooting blind for an answer. I don't know what got me on this topic... DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:12:24 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Nats question Message-ID: <006201c00196$b2534e20$ade179a5@com> > I'm back on a 1:72 project again. Omega Farman F.30bis in resin. (And DB > thinks rigging a BM DH.2 is rough ;-) > > Regards > sp > No, I think that SCRATCHBUILDING a Farman F.40 is rough! DB Getting the itch! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:13:29 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nugeseur was:ot - but very cool! (Actually he was OT and cool too) Message-ID: <9a.83324b3.26c1fc29@aol.com> In a message dated 00-08-08 17:19:23 EDT, you write: << I believe they pretty well determined they (Coli too) made it across and went down in the Maine woods. >> I am from NH. I recall hearing a story about a search for a lost plane, in the woods, somewhere. I believe they had recovered some sort of rubber seal for a door(?). They mentioned hunters had "stumbled" across an old aircraft engine in the woods. It is no surprise they can find it. There was a Lear jet that went down in the woods some years ago, in NH, on Christmas Eve. It wasn't found for a couple of years. It crashed such that a person had to practically walk over it in order to find the thing, and what was left of the crew. Perhaps if it crashed in the middle of nowhere some type of magentic anomaly detector on a helicopter would work best for finding it. That is a MAD-type device like the P-3 uses. K-129 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:21:51 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The BIG Ortho question Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7115D499@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> DB, > That's what I figured. However, it seems that it is a > basic assumption > whenever we look at pics and say 'oh, that's dark - it must > be yellow, red, > etc.'. My feeling has been that this is BS because of the > fact that not all > film was ortho, and unless one has a known quantity to judge by - for > instance a roundel - one is shooting blind for an answer. Yup. As is well known by the older members this is something that gets my shorts in an uproar. It is reasonable to assume that photos are taken on Ortho only so long as one also accepts that it might sometimes not be so *unless* there is independant evidence to support the photos. So if you see a known Jasta 11 pilot in front of a triplane with near black struts you can pretty safely assume the film is ortho and make a judgement from there..... ....usually ;-) FWIW I think that panchro film would rarely be used in personal camera type photos - the ones I can recall as being panchro are almost all (maye *are* all) "official" type pics from manufacturers, Idflieg etc. > > I don't know what got me on this topic... Me either ! And I'm gone again, since it sure is an area where you can get into a load of pointless arguments. Shane ************************************************************** The information contained in this E-Mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this E-Mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this E-Mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted E-Mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. E-Mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au or phone: Australia 07 3833 8042. ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:32:53 EDT From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Comments/recommendations re. Optivisor?? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/8/2000 12:24:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: << Comments/recommendations re. Optivisor?? >> Even better than the Optivisor and so much lighter to wear is a set called Mageyes, it has two sets of lens two & four power and does not interfere with your normal all around vision. Since I picked this up at the East coast Hobby show last year my optivisor sits and collects dust or I use it in my work shop. The Mageyes stay on my hobby bench. I just love to use it, as it is so adjustable for placement with my glasses. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:44:18 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Nats question Message-ID: <002a01c0019a$f419d960$0d0d56d1@default> > No, I think that SCRATCHBUILDING a Farman F.40 is rough! > > > DB > > Getting the > itch! Photos ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:46:07 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Albatros 3 colour wings Message-ID: <200008082046_MC2-AF1C-8492@compuserve.com> David, >> > (Who has a Meikraft DI/II just waiting to start) << I built the Meikraft as a D.I and it turned out ok. I did scrape the wings and make a new set out of Roseplanes Wings forms. Looks pretty good now. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 8/2/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:47:33 -0400 From: Sharon Henderson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: TC scripsit: >You guys are the ones who fought for the logical inconsistency of >the freedom to be slaveowners. > >Not wanting to re-fight the Civil War here I will say that my Union >ancestors would all quite likely approve of this, warriors to warriors. > >TC And Sharon, raised in the North but ALWAYS pro-South, replies: Uhhh... The school system in Boston teaches that the Civil War started over the southern states desiring to keep to themselves the rights of sovereign states within the Union, in other words, to decide for themselves when and if the slaves would be freed -- AMONG OTHER ISSUES. Sorry, the soapbox just slid under my feet, can't help it. :-) The average Joe Reb In the Lines was not well off enough to own slaves, therefore no reason to fight to defend the right to keep them. They were fighting for their rights as Americans: to save the rights of their states, among others. :-) TC, if you want to debate this offline -- or anyone else for that matter -- I'll put my history degree right down there on the center of the table, along with all my chips, and cut a fresh deck of cards. ;-) Semi-on-topic content: Anyone ever read the two speculative history novels about the South in WW1 as a sovereign Confederacy? Neat stuff. .. :-) Sharon, Rebel-rousing ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:56:48 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: subscribe or not subscribe Message-ID: <3990C870.882609C6@earthlink.net> On 3/8/00 09:15:15 -0400 (EDT), Alberto Casirati wrote: <> I've looked around and haven't been able to find subscription info on WW1 Aero. Is there a U.S. distributor? Will appreciate any help. TIA Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:59:58 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Comments/recommendations re. Optivisor?? Message-ID: <3990AD0E.11470F84@mars.ark.com> JVT7532@aol.com wrote: "Even better than the Optivisor and so much lighter to wear is a set called Mageyes..." These are the things my wife uses for cross-stitch; they are available in the better craft shops, along with other neat stuff that (some) wives don't realize have modelling applications... Dave Fletcher -- Visit us at our Home Page: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:07:46 GMT From: "Edward Swaim" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Want copy of Paine figure book Message-ID: I've been looking for a copy of Shepard Paine's "Building and Painting Scale Figures" for some time without success. It is out of print. Amazon hasn't found it for me, and it has been over a year since I requested it. Does anyone have a copy? I have an Eduard Fokker EIII and an Eduard Albatros CIII which have been opened and fondled, but not otherwise messed with. I may trade one or both for a copy of this book. Edward Swaim eswaim@aristotle.net Little Rock, Arkansas ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:17:50 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: <3990B13E.4D227A33@tac.com.au> Bob Pearson wrote: > > > There is a book on his Liner expeditions (He also did Olympic & Brittannic, > also > > OT). > > And Empress of Ireland (IIRC) which had a higher loss of life than Titanic, > yet remains largely unknown > > Bob Hi Bob, Unless you're a Clive Cussler fan ;-). Clive has also done a lot of ship archeology as well. He has found a lot of ACW ships, also a whole stack of OT ships as well. Check out his book "The Sea Hunters" for more info, I highly recommend it. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:19:15 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Albatros 3 Color Camo Message-ID: <003201c0019f$d7ec7680$3037183f@cyrixp166> Perhaps the definitive article on this "re-definition" is Dan-San Abbott's article "The Camouflage & Markings of the Albatros D.II Aircraft" in WWI Aero #150:26 Dan-San challenges the conventional wisdom here. 1.) He presents a case that none of the D.II/D.III fuselages were red/brown stained. He feels they were all an natural wood color & finished with a yellow tinted varnish. This yellow tinted varnish could in many cases appear dark on orthochromatic film. 2.) He also presents a case that except for the first 14 D.I aircraft, nearly all of the Albatros D.I, II & III aircraft up to the advent of the green/mauve camo were finished in 3 color camo. (Dk. Green/Red Brown/ Light Green). This means that many of these clear doped linen rudders may have been in fact light green. The article goes on to cover not only the colors, but camo patterns of the D.II aircraft s/n block by s/n block. Before getting the hackels up read the article. It is lavishly foot noted. Much of the research was based on nearly 300 un-published photos from P. Grosz. None of this is to say that he is right. It is just a very impressive, well researched attempt to shed light (or color) on an aspect of these aircraft that is probably lost to history. Regards, John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:29:24 -0500 From: "Charles and Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1FAQ" Subject: Gone until 8/23 Message-ID: <007201c001a1$42e46280$da2c57d8@cnlduckwor> Will be unscribing until 8/22, if anyone is trying to contact me please email me off-list, Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:57:33 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: subscribe or not subscribe Message-ID: <001b01c001a5$2f9ca300$4d0356d1@default> World War 1 Aeroplanes, Inc. 15 Crescent Rd. Ploughkeepsie, NY 12601 914-473-3679 HTH sp > I've looked around and haven't been able to find subscription info on > WW1 Aero. Is there a U.S. distributor? Will appreciate any help. > > TIA > Mike Kavanaugh > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:15:28 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 'Earlybirds' 1/72 Vacs Message-ID: <61.6277118.26c218c0@aol.com> In a message dated 08/08/2000 9:30:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com writes: Hi Dave << Albatros BII (2 marking options) BE2C (4 marking options) Handriot HD1 (3 marking options) Halberstadt CLII (2 marking options) Nieuport Nie 12 (3 marking options) >> All of the above would have been ex-Formaplane. The fellow whom purchased Libra/Scaleplane had a deal to by the Formaplane molds. As far as I know the deal never came to light. The Fellow released one or two new Libra kits. I know the original owner of Libra (Les Cooper) he was under contract to make more masters but the deal fell through and the new owner when out of business. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:28:22 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: Harry Turtledove, Right? (author) The roots of the rebellion go back to Jefferson, he didn't want a central government, and thought the states should stay sovereign; the Confederacy was modeled after the old Articles of Confederation, and as a result was never really a nation, just a bunch of loose states, right to the end, It's a wonder they were able to last as long as they did. Jefferson was a rather ruthless idealist, and would have approved of secession. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:31:51 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Want copy of Paine figure book Message-ID: <17.96ef91c.26c21c97@aol.com> The only one I've got Shep signed, however much of the same info is in the revised "How to Build Dioramas" which is currently in print. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:59:15 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Want copy of Paine figure book Message-ID: <68.63e7748.26c22303@aol.com> Hi Ed contact me off list, we have a mint copy bstett3770@aol.com Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:19:31 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Want copy of Paine figure book Message-ID: <3990CDC3.F6A2ABD9@bellsouth.net> Edward Swaim wrote: > > I've been looking for a copy of Shepard Paine's "Building and Painting Scale > Figures" for some time without success. > I have an Eduard Fokker EIII and an Eduard Albatros CIII which have been > opened and fondled, but not otherwise messed with. I may trade one or both > for a copy of this book. ngrngrngrngrngr????***&&&%%%% Can I really bare to part with this book? I know I've got Horan's, but this is a really good book. Lemme think on this. E. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:55:02 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: subscribe or not subscribe Message-ID: <3990F236.FC528AF3@earthlink.net> On 8/8/00 21:58:46 -0400 (EDT), smperry@mindspring.com wrote in answer to my question re. WW I Aero subscription info: <> Thanks again, Steve. I'll get in touch with them tomorrow. Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:59:34 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Comments/recommendations re. Optivisor?? Message-ID: <002001c001b7$23dcf4e0$b584aec7@com> I have a pair that also has the lights on the side of the head, the flip-down extra magnifyer lens, as well as a loupe over one eye. Scares the Hell out of the cats! But I can see better. Too well sometimes! I see so many errors in my stuff that I can almost never finish a project. Blindness has its advantages! DB ----- Original Message ----- From: "David C. Fletcher" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Comments/recommendations re. Optivisor?? > JVT7532@aol.com wrote: > > "Even better than the Optivisor and so much lighter to wear is a set > called > Mageyes..." > > These are the things my wife uses for cross-stitch; they are available > in the better craft shops, along with other neat stuff that (some) wives > don't realize have modelling applications... > > Dave Fletcher > -- > Visit us at our Home Page: > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:05:40 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: 425/17 info requested Message-ID: <002101c001b7$27982820$b584aec7@com> PLEASE!!! DON'T SHOOT!! I just opened the box on my DML Dr.1 with MvR's markings. Whereas I don't really like the kit markings, thanks to Dale Beamish, I can add the serials, and I can add the national marks and stencils from an AeroMaster sheet. Did 425/17 have the telescopic sight (most likely I'd think), or the reflector sight? Other than that, no other info neccessary - I just finished glopping on about half a tube of putty into the series of mid-oceanic ridges on the undersurfaces of the wings. BTW, would 425/17 be red overall, or did it have turquiose undersufaces for the wings and/or fuselage? I have no good pics. DB Enjoying a pint of cool Guinness ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:05:26 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The BIG Ortho question Message-ID: In a message dated 8/8/00 7:13:12 PM EST, dora9@sprynet.com writes: << I don't know what got me on this topic... DB >> Do you ever? (Please - not posted as a complaint! The fun quotient went way up last year when we found you/you discovered us, whatever.) :-) TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:10:15 EDT From: K129000@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ot - but very cool! Message-ID: In a message dated 00-08-08 20:12:37 EDT, you write: << For more info, read the book 'Blind Man's Bluff'. About as ot as one can get, but a hell of a bunch of stories - the fact that they happened is even wilder! Or, read 'Hostile Waters' about the K-219 (a different sub) that caught fire in the Carribean. >> I talked to a former navy person. He claims to have been in a P-3 listening to the K-219 in its death throws. He thought Blind Man's bluff wasn't very factual. (Of course there's no was for me to know that). The best source I've seen on the recovery of K-129 was A Matter of Risk. Now out of print, it is a small paper back book and represnts the vast majority of info availble on the subject. It has now been over 25 years since the then antiquated Golf-2, diesel eletric submarine was raised from the pacific. It has been almost 30 years since it was photographed on the ocean floor, and still the CIA hasn't seen fit to release a single picture, nor a single memo beyond the standard "we got part of it" line. This makes me frown. Thanks for the suggestion, Blind Mans bluff is a good book. I think so, though there's no way for those of us in the white world to ever know for sure. Yeah, K-129, K-19, K219 Can we see a patern here? Sunk, melt down, sunk and imploded K-129 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2525 **********************