WWI Digest 2523 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Comments/recommendations re. Optivisor?? by smperry@mindspring.com 2) Re: Albatros Struts by Russell W Niles 3) Re: background noise by Otisgood@aol.com 4) Cookbook by smperry@mindspring.com 5) Re: Upper Wing attachment??? by Otisgood@aol.com 6) Cross & Cockage Sale by "Courtney Allen" 7) Re: Comments/recommendations re. Optivisor?? by Dennis Ugulano 8) Re: Cross & Cockage Sale by "Bob Pearson" 9) Re: Cross & Cockage Sale by "Courtney Allen" 10) Re: New images by "P. Howard" 11) Re: background noise by Albatrosdv@aol.com 12) Re: Upper Wing attachment??? by Morg17ms@aol.com 13) "glue' by MAnde72343@aol.com 14) Re: Cross & Cockage Sale by "Bob Pearson" 15) Cookbook by MAnde72343@aol.com 16) Air Enthusiast Halberstadt article by Albatrosdv@aol.com 17) Re: Osprey Aircraft of the Aces books by David Solosy 18) Spider Training by "DAVID BURKE" 19) A Whiff of Grape by Peter Leonard 20) Cripes, one fine a Tripe! by "S Karver" 21) 'Earlybirds' 1/72 Vacs by David Fleming 22) Albatros 3 colour wings by David Fleming 23) Re: Osprey Aircraft of the Aces books by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 24) Re: Albatros 3 colour wings by "Matt Bittner" 25) Re: Albatros 3 colour wings by David Fleming 26) Re: background noise by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu 27) Re: Spider Training by Mike Kavanaugh 28) New update by "Matt Bittner" 29) RE: Albatros 3 colour wings by "dfernet0" 30) My Cook -Up Albatros by David Fleming 31) Re: Albatros 3 colour wings by "DAVID BURKE" 32) Re: Spider Training by "DAVID BURKE" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:10:20 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Comments/recommendations re. Optivisor?? Message-ID: <004b01c000dd$cf6eee60$7a0d56d1@default> I also have an Optivisor with 10x mag and I love it. took a bit > of getting used to, but I can't live without it now. I agree with Ernie. I can't work without my optivisor. I've been known to hop in the car and make it all the way down to the store with the optivisor on before I realized it. OTOH I have also frequently pulled the visor of a ball cap down over my eyes trying to see something more closely. I have a better source for reading glasses than the drug store...the dollar store. Using the optivisor with glasses takes a bit of getting used to, but not as much of an adjustment as doing without one though. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:47:44 -0700 From: Russell W Niles To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatros Struts Message-ID: <20000807.192226.-415991.3.r_niles1@juno.com> On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:33:05 -0400 (EDT) "Dale Beamish" writes: > Awhile ago I mentioned getting the correct Albatros landing struts > for the 48 scale Eduard DIII, DRI, DV/Va kits cast in metal. They are now > ready. If you would like them let me know ASAP. For all those that have > already sent wants I'll reply off list to your original messages. If I miss > someone please contact me off list. > Thanks > Dale Dale I cant remember if I had asked about them when you first mentioned them. I would be interested in a set to please. Thanks Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missiles....switching to guns. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:40:21 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: background noise Message-ID: <12.a62940.26c0cd15@aol.com> In a message dated 8/7/00 4:00:53 PM Central Daylight Time, kacosta@colsa.com writes: > So fess up listee's. What's in YOUR CD drive? > > E. Eric Clapton/BB King: "Riding with the King" Steely Dan: "Two Against Nature" Dave Matthews Band: All of 'em Stevie Ray Vaughn: Best of, and Live at Carnegie Hall Led Zeppelin: BBC Sessions RL Burnside: "Come On In" Carey Bell: "Good Luck Man" Notice the complete absence of anything country, and the heavy influence of blues. I intend to keep it that way. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:49:36 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Cookbook Message-ID: <006301c000e3$4ac9f6e0$7a0d56d1@default> I have begun collecting the posts written in response to my cookbook suggestion. If you have any tips and techniques to share, write or sketch them up and send them along. I will be compling the collection that hopefully will develop. Don't be afraid to write on a subject you think others may have also written on. Some techniques work better for some folks than for others, so you never know. Your technique might be just what a beginning WWI modeler may need to complete his project and get thoroughly hooked. Just label the Subject as Cookbook so I will not miss your message sp E-mail smperry@mindspring.com Web Site http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/wwimodeler/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:50:08 EDT From: Otisgood@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Upper Wing attachment??? Message-ID: <3b.84cd730.26c0cf60@aol.com> In a message dated 8/7/00 8:13:42 PM Central Daylight Time, pugs99@att.net writes: > had chosen an Eduard 1/48(sorry,Matt) Albatros DV as my > "re-acquaintance" model and I am sitting here with > everything ready and the top wing needing to be attached. > I was wondering what techniques, glue, etc. people use > to attach the top wing. I was wondering if CA gel was > the way to go? Scrape off the paint and use Tenax to > attach the wing and flow some on the strut to "fair" the > struts into the wings? Which method is strongest? I > figured I would ask before trying this. Maybe we can get > some ideas for the FAQ. Any help is appreciated. With this particular model, I attach the interplane struts to the top wing first. This way you later only have to position one connection point on each of the bottom wings. After the interplane struts are set, then attach the top wing to the cabane struts. Be careful. The flimsy PE cabane struts tend to bend and become too weak to use. I recently replaced the vertical portion of the cabane struts with brass rod cut to size. Holds up much better. Once the top wing is attached to the cabane struts, then you simply connect the bottom end of the interplane struts to the bottom wings. Pretty simple actually, and easier than trying to line up eight holes at once. I use Zap a Gap glue for all my strut connections. Otis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:54:55 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Cross & Cockage Sale Message-ID: <001701c000e4$08abe380$1704480c@oemcomputer> List Members; I have been recently been filling in my C & C collection and have a number of duplicates that I'm offering to the group before I place them on ebay. All books are in very good condition except volume 7 - #3 which has some damage to the back cover from water. Also all issues of volumes 4, 5, & 6 have tape on the spines. Prices are noted below. Shipping costs are whatever the actual will be. Volume 4 (complete) $18.00 Volume 5 (issues 1 & 4) $5.00 ea. Volume 6 (complete) $18.00 Volume 7 (issues 3 & 4) $5.00 ea. Volume 8 (complete) $18.00 Volume 9 (complete) $18.00 Volume 10 (complete) $18.00 Volume 11 (complete) $18.00 Please e-mail me off-line if interested. c-j-allen@worldnet.att.net Courtney Allen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:15:11 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Comments/recommendations re. Optivisor?? Message-ID: <200008072315_MC2-AEEB-C527@compuserve.com> Mike, I have used the Optivisor for over 15 years (in fact I'm wearing it right now) and I highly recommend it. I use a # 5 lens which is 2 1/2 times magnification. I work about 7-8 inches from my model. It takes a while to get used to it but I cannot build the models I do without my visor. If mine were to break tomorrow, I would replace them immediately. That's how valuable they are to me. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm Page Revised 8/2/00 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:23:45 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cross & Cockage Sale Message-ID: <200008080337.UAA16058@mail.rapidnet.net> ARe these USA or GB/INT? ---------- >From: "Courtney Allen" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Cross & Cockage Sale >Date: Mon, Aug 7, 2000, 8:04 pm > > List Members; > > I have been recently been filling in my C & C collection and have a number > of duplicates that I'm offering to the group before I place them on ebay. > All books are in very good condition except volume 7 - #3 which has some > damage to the back cover from water. Also all issues of volumes 4, 5, & 6 > have tape on the spines. Prices are noted below. Shipping costs are > whatever the actual will be. > > Volume 4 (complete) $18.00 > Volume 5 (issues 1 & 4) $5.00 ea. > Volume 6 (complete) $18.00 > Volume 7 (issues 3 & 4) $5.00 ea. > Volume 8 (complete) $18.00 > Volume 9 (complete) $18.00 > Volume 10 (complete) $18.00 > Volume 11 (complete) $18.00 > > Please e-mail me off-line if interested. c-j-allen@worldnet.att.net > > Courtney Allen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:29:44 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: Cross & Cockage Sale Message-ID: <003301c000e8$e5ee8280$1704480c@oemcomputer> Bob Although I'm not sure I know the difference these were published in the 60's and reference a Calif. address for the editor. Is there something else I can check. Others have ask the same question. Courtney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 8:31 PM Subject: Re: Cross & Cockage Sale > ARe these USA or GB/INT? > > ---------- > >From: "Courtney Allen" > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: Cross & Cockage Sale > >Date: Mon, Aug 7, 2000, 8:04 pm > > > > > List Members; > > > > I have been recently been filling in my C & C collection and have a number > > of duplicates that I'm offering to the group before I place them on ebay. > > All books are in very good condition except volume 7 - #3 which has some > > damage to the back cover from water. Also all issues of volumes 4, 5, & 6 > > have tape on the spines. Prices are noted below. Shipping costs are > > whatever the actual will be. > > > > Volume 4 (complete) $18.00 > > Volume 5 (issues 1 & 4) $5.00 ea. > > Volume 6 (complete) $18.00 > > Volume 7 (issues 3 & 4) $5.00 ea. > > Volume 8 (complete) $18.00 > > Volume 9 (complete) $18.00 > > Volume 10 (complete) $18.00 > > Volume 11 (complete) $18.00 > > > > Please e-mail me off-line if interested. c-j-allen@worldnet.att.net > > > > Courtney Allen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:40:04 -0500 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: New images Message-ID: <002001c000ea$5870ab20$e69d8ece@phoward> Matt, I greatly appreciate the kind words. Thanks for taking the time to post the pics. Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:17 AM Subject: New images >Just uploaded Paul Howard's images of his Nats winning Sopwith >Triplane, as well as his "bits" from his DH2. > >I am so glad I only have the like of Alberto and Hustad to live up to. >;-) Paul, your Tripe is fantastic! > > >Matt Bittner >WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:49:53 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: background noise Message-ID: <6d.7addd13.26c0dd61@aol.com> In a message dated 8/7/00 9:43:43 PM EST, Otisgood@aol.com writes: << Notice the complete absence of anything country, and the heavy influence of blues. I intend to keep it that way. >> Smat fellow. After listening to Gary Wagman go nuts over "Riding With The King" for three solid weekends on KLON (America's *only* jazz station - and also some good blues on the weekend), I finally got it. Mmmmmmmm.... I remember the first time I saw BB 32 years ago - Mick Jagger was afraid to come on stage for an hour after Tina Turner tore it up on the first show of the tour that ended at Altamont, so the second set it was Tina Turner, BB, the Stones - BB King being the only man on the planet who could come onstage 15 minutes after Tina T and not still be upstaged by her. The man regularly plays out here and I always try to get at least a yearly update on my BB shots. TC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:54:56 EDT From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Upper Wing attachment??? Message-ID: Probably need a little more info before we can make a specific recommendation, ie: have you already finished the upper surface of top wing, and bottom surface of lower? OR do you plan to lozenge them after assembly and 'rigging'? for 'rigging' do you plan to use flaccid mono pulled taught, or rigid wire/sprue? using a gig for allignment or.........not? are you familiar with use of 5 min epoxies, vs CA? Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:18:47 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: "glue' Message-ID: <60.5c53858.26c0e427@aol.com> Some minor discussion of glues in recent days has made me think (ouch) For the last few years, I have been using a cheap acrylic clear to attach bezels and etc. in the cockpit, none has ever fallen off, and its much easier to clean up, and simpler for a fumble fingers like me to get the part in the correct spot, (and the parts don't stick to the tweezers better than the kit) SO ... why am I not using the same stuff to stick on the small PE details to the outside? (duuuh!) CA is awful stuff, my private name for it is "stupid glue" (because it sticks everywhere but where I need it to stick) FWIW Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:27:17 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cross & Cockage Sale Message-ID: <200008080438.VAA17774@mail.rapidnet.net> That would be C&C(USA) .. it was published in the US and ran from 1960 until 1986. In 1970 C&C(GB) started up in the UK. After the demise of C&C - it never did have (USA) in the title - C&C(GB) became C&C(International) .. or as they call it CCI or C&C(GB/Int) Bob ---------- >From: "Courtney Allen" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Cross & Cockage Sale >Date: Mon, Aug 7, 2000, 8:37 pm > > Bob > > Although I'm not sure I know the difference these were published in the 60's > and reference a Calif. address for the editor. Is there something else I > can check. Others have ask the same question. > > Courtney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:33:13 EDT From: MAnde72343@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Cookbook Message-ID: <6e.1e6dacd.26c0e789@aol.com> Although I thought I wouldn't have anything to add to the cookbook project, I surprised myself, "Making Cockpit Instruments" Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 02:20:29 EDT From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Air Enthusiast Halberstadt article Message-ID: Those who have indicated interest in getting a xerox of the Air Enthusiast article need not waste their money. Just got the Halberstadt datafile today, which is by Peter Grosz, and the historical section of this publication is a strip-mining of his Air Enthusiast article (no need to re-invent the wheel, right? I do this all the time myself). Everything in the Air Enthusiast article, including photos, is there. Cheers, Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:18:34 +0800 From: David Solosy To: "WW1 List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Osprey Aircraft of the Aces books Message-ID: <56EBF0EF4A03D4118C6F00902776597F0DEF4A@s26pss4.pssc.wa.gov.au> John If you don't get 'em you'll kick yourself one day when they are no longer available. Some inspirational stuff in them.    David S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 02:04:28 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Spider Training Message-ID: <000b01c00106$e69aa560$0183aec7@com> Well... For those of you who have faced the D.H.2, you know how much there is to do. For those of you who haven't, a trained spider would be wonderful to have. It is amazing that any of these planes were shot down - seeing as how they have enough rigging to catch, hold, and shred bullets as they approached! I wonder how many birds have been snared in all of this wiring - this is not an aeroplane, it is a fishing net. Aha! Inadvertanly, I have figured out that the D.H.2 is actually a British device for snaring flying fish! DB About to go beddy-bye. I may have this thing done by the weekend! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:46:21 +0100 From: Peter Leonard To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: A Whiff of Grape Message-ID: <398FE4FD.BB186455@cwcom.net> I'm unsubbing for a couple of weeks while in Cyprus visiting my inlaws and my grape vines (not necessarily in that order). There is only one model shop I know of on the island so please sympathise and I'll see you all in a fortnight. yassas Petros L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:23:55 -0400 From: "S Karver" To: Subject: Cripes, one fine a Tripe! Message-ID: <200008081245.IAA07415@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Superlative finish on this Englander dreidecker, Mr. Howard. Though you cannot, unfortnately, e-mail your skill, perhaps you would favor the List with some of your painting practices (assuming they're legal)? Regards, Stef ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:28:35 +0100 From: David Fleming To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: 'Earlybirds' 1/72 Vacs Message-ID: <39900B03.46D403FC@dial.pipex.com> Whilst looking through an old Scale Models International (March 88), I found an advert from Libramodels announcing the release of 5 1/72 vacs under the title of 'Earlybirds'. The kits were: Albatros BII (2 marking options) BE2C (4 marking options) Handriot HD1 (3 marking options) Halberstadt CLII (2 marking options) Nieuport Nie 12 (3 marking options) They were listed with decals 7 metal parts. Does anyone know if these were released, because I cannot remember actually seeing them. I know the Libramodels/Scaleplanes moulds went to ED Models. David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:45:16 +0100 From: David Fleming To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Albatros 3 colour wings Message-ID: <39900EEC.94120440@dial.pipex.com> On 28th July I posted a question on this, but got no replies. I've had a fish around, but still can't find an answer. For those who may be able to help, my questions related to when & where this scheme was first revealed, as my principle references (The Windsock Albatros datafiles) don't mention it. Also: Which aircraft was it applied to (Was it just Albatros aircraft ?) Presumably it was between the Red/Green and Mauve/Green scheme: Is there a way to identify which aircraft had this scheme ? C'mon folks-help a returning ot modeller- someone must have at least a partial answer !! David (Who has a Meikraft DI/II just waiting to start) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:49:39 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Osprey Aircraft of the Aces books Message-ID: The Albatros book is great. The only way I can see that color schemes are questionable is that in reality there is disagreement - without color photos or accurate color documentation, who is to say? Isn't there still disagreement with the color of the comet adorned D.V being either black or purple? Who cares!? Dicta Ira! Buy the books - they are worth it! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:47:16 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Albatros 3 colour wings Message-ID: <200008081347.GAA07982@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:49:09 -0400 (EDT), David Fleming wrote: > (Who has a Meikraft DI/II just waiting to start) I have a cattle prod if you want to use that too! ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:47:54 +0100 From: David Fleming To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Albatros 3 colour wings Message-ID: <39900F89.5AB6C2B4@dial.pipex.com> David Fleming wrote: C'mon folks-help a returning ot modeller- I, of course, meant OT modeller !! (Or did I - which is which my head hurts !!) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:02:20 -0400 From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: background noise Message-ID: > So fess up listee's. What's in YOUR CD drive? October Project = October Project Falling Farther In = October Project The Mask and Mirror = Loreena McKennitt Paint The Sky With Stars = Enya For Sentimental Reasons = Linda Ronstadt Stardust = Natalie Cole About Tyme = Wyndnwyre (I have ordered the Battle of Britain soundtrack, as the 2001 Soundtrack doesn't work well for building models.) Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:10:02 -0700 From: Mike Kavanaugh To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Spider Training Message-ID: <399030DA.DFC2CF5F@earthlink.net> On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:08:33 -0400 (EDT), David Burke wrote: >>Well... For those of you who have faced the D.H.2, you know how much there is to do. For those of you who haven't, a trained spider would be wonderful to have. It is amazing that any of these planes were shot down - seeing as how they have enough rigging to catch, hold, and shred bullets as they approached! I wonder how many birds have been snared in all of this wiring - this is not an aeroplane, it is a fishing net. Aha! Inadvertanly, I have figured out that the D.H.2 is actually a British device for snaring flying fish!<< David, in the spirit of the prospective cookbook, it would be very helpful to us neophytes who have yet to tackle the D.H.2, if, in analyzing the problem and determining the order in which the rigging is to be accomplished, you could draw a diagram, numbering the order in which the rigging is installed, including which end of each is attached first. By all means, include a narrative description of all the esoteric incantations, threats, cuss words and supplications you used in getting it done. Just kidding, of course. Haven't read a review yet where anyone said that rigging the D.H.2 was less than difficult. Hang in there! Mike K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:44:34 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New update Message-ID: <200008081545.IAA25897@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> For those wondering what the third place winner at this year's Nats in 1/72nd was, I just uploaded some new images from Bill Powers. (His HB D.I took third). Wow! Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:45:43 -0300 From: "dfernet0" To: Subject: RE: Albatros 3 colour wings Message-ID: <004301c0014f$b939f000$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> David: > Which aircraft was it applied to (Was it just Albatros aircraft ?) IIRC, early Halberstadt and Roland fighters would also have had similar schemes. I don't know about two-seaters or bombers. > > Presumably it was between the Red/Green and Mauve/Green scheme: Is there > a way to identify which aircraft had this scheme ? Not definitely by means of B&W pictures... I don't know how they have determined the inclusion of the 3 colours in the first place, but seems like aircraft on the 1916-early 1917 range could have been delivered like that. Maybe some listee would know of some Idflieg rule concerning this camo scheme? > C'mon folks-help a returning ot modeller- someone must have at least a > partial answer !! answ... here's mine. ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:57:10 +0100 From: David Fleming To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: My Cook -Up Albatros Message-ID: <39902DD5.2551892D@dial.pipex.com> As others have described or put on the web their cook-up model, I thought I'd tell you all about my choice. I'm doing the 1/72 Eduard DVa (non-profi) as a DV. The kit is, as others have commented, is probably the best 1/72 injected WW1 kit yet.My original intention was to build it 'from the box', but as I started it, I decided that even I had to add some detail in the cockpit. At this point, I bought a 'profi' kit, intending to use it's etched set, when I remembered I'd once bought the Airfix kit and an Airwaves set for it. I therefore robbed the Airwaves set of seatbelts, rudder pedals & some of the instruments. This gave me a nice level of detail but not superdetail. The kit sticks together well, I just needed a little filler on the fuselage underside. I'm about to start the painting, and must admit the 'plywood' finish is the part I'm not looking forward to!! I'm going to try a technique I've considered for a few years, that is using 'full size' paint ! Dulux in the UK do a series of paints called 'Brushwood', which can be used to simulate a wood finish. They consist of an acrylic flat coat followed by a streaky varnish top coat. It looks quite effective in full size. They have a 'tester' set in standard 'Humbrol' size pots, so I intend to try the 'Antique pine' finish. Anyone else tried this ? The markings I have chosen are DV D1162/17, formerly of Jasta 4, after it was tested by the RFC. There are a few reasons for this. One, I like doing 'Captured' aircraft, secondly it has the green/mauve wings, which I think are quite nice, and finally, this particular aircraft has a Scottish connection, having crashed while being flown from what is now Edinburgh airport. Anyone with the Windsock DV or Albatros fighters Datafiles will recognise this aircraft, as it was profiled in both. However, I'm not sure that Ray has got it right, certainly not as it appeared after it was captured. I've noted the following, and would welcome comments on my observations: 1) Ray says all metal parts & struts were grey-green (I support the RLM 02 theory BTW). However, I have another photo which shows the front view, and the struts are MUCH darker than the nose panels, wheels etc. They could be black, or (in ortho film) even yellow ! However, I'm guessing they were painted dark green, as per the Austrailian one. 2) RR has drawn the entire tail as ochre, however the photos clearly show after capture only the horizontal portion (tail & elavator) were painted, the rest seemingly being bare ply. Or a replacement tail ? 3) He gives the spinner as yellow, however there is no tonal difference between the spinner and the metal parts (A new spinner ?) The aircraft has an RFC airspeed probe, and still has it's guns fitted. Should make a nice model ! Now, there are at least 5 more RFC Albatros'........... (Anyone know of an RFC D111 ?) Thanks for reading David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:00:23 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Albatros 3 colour wings Message-ID: <003a01c00154$aa713380$469baec7@com> Hey David, Is there a way to determine which scheme went with which plane? Well, I reckon that in B&W photos, there's probably a difference between the mauve and the brown/red. Some folks tell me that the mauve WAS the brownish red. Of course, when I think 'mauve', I think of two things: effeminate interior decorators, and purple. The early Albatri seemed to have a wing camo scheme that could be two or three colors: green/mauve and green/mauve/brown. Possibly two greens (a light and a dark) and a mauve or a brown. I may be totally wrong about that as I am trying to re-light my brain after taking sleeping medication, and reality doesn't look real at the moment. All in all, the only help that you are probably gonna get is in various reference books, the instructions to your particular kit, and photos. Aside from that, you're on your own. OF COURSE: you can tell us what type you are doing and what the serial number is and we can all see what info we have. DB Glad to have you back OT!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fleming" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Albatros 3 colour wings > > > David Fleming wrote: > > C'mon folks-help a returning ot modeller- > > I, of course, meant OT modeller !! (Or did I - which is which my head hurts > !!) > > Dave > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:18:41 -0500 From: "DAVID BURKE" To: Subject: Re: Spider Training Message-ID: <003b01c00154$ab4b66e0$469baec7@com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Kavanaugh" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Spider Training > On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:08:33 -0400 (EDT), David Burke wrote: > > >>Well... > > For those of you who have faced the D.H.2, you know how much there > is to > do. For those of you who haven't, a trained spider would be wonderful > to > have. It is amazing that any of these planes were shot down - seeing as > how > they have enough rigging to catch, hold, and shred bullets as they > approached! I wonder how many birds have been snared in all of this > wiring - this is not an aeroplane, it is a fishing net. Aha! > Inadvertanly, > I have figured out that the D.H.2 is actually a British device for > snaring > flying fish!<< > > David, in the spirit of the prospective cookbook, it would be very > helpful to us neophytes who have yet to tackle the D.H.2, if, in > analyzing the problem and determining the order in which the rigging is > to be accomplished, you could draw a diagram, numbering the order in > which the rigging is installed, including which end of each is attached > first. By all means, include a narrative description of all the > esoteric incantations, threats, cuss words and supplications you used in > getting it done. NO. Figger it out for your own self! There are some things a man will do himself only ONCE in his lifetime, and never do again, nor re-live the trauma. You want supplications and cusswords? Well, I am polite, so I always said 'please' first, and then insulted the components all the way back to their dinosaur ancestors; whose decaying and fermenting flesh the petroleum was rendered from in the first place. As for the metallic parts, well, I just called them 'stupid'. I insulted the thread and CA too. Me, I congratulated myself on my Godlike persistence and wisdom - and I wondered if creating Adam was so tricky. All of the bracing wires are on the plane - for the most part. Later, I will add the doubled lines. I now have to re-paint the wings. They were pre-painted, but of course, small drops of CA got on them and in some places, I inadvertantly drilled through them where I pinned the struts, etc. I still have to add the little plates at the ends of the booms where they plug into the wings. So it's touch-up time. >Just kidding, of course. Whew! > Haven't read a review yet > where anyone said that rigging the D.H.2 was less than difficult. > They speak the truth! > Hang in there! If I don't hang myself first! > > Mike K. > DB > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2523 **********************